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  posted on 8/11/2012 at 02:38 PM
Gina meltdown!!

 

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  posted on 8/11/2012 at 02:42 PM
Sorry old news!!

 

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  posted on 8/11/2012 at 02:45 PM
It ain't about me, it's about evolving to your higher self and higher good. These pissing contests are a waste of time and life. There are people who evolve thru the music, others in other ways. That's what it's about.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2012 at 02:52 PM
Some people deal with the real world others choose to live in a life of fantasy!

 

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I'm out. May she self destruct in peace!!

 

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  posted on 8/11/2012 at 04:01 PM
Inspiring musicians internationally is hardly a fantasy, it's actually called a legacy and you might want to pay some homage to the musicians who have accomplished that, ensuring that the music that spawned their success continues on in others, but you still just don't understand.

 

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Inspiring musicians internationally is hardly a fantasy, it's actually called a legacy and you might want to pay some homage to the musicians who have accomplished that, ensuring that the music that spawned their success continues on in others, but you still just don't understand.




all I can say is I would rather get stoned and listen to music than get stoned for listening to music...


MUSIC IN ISLAM


Introduction

In recent years, certain developments have taken place which has brought the subject of music as an extremely significant issue. Music has spread to such an extent that it is afflicting every muslim in this modern era. Today, individuals are being confronted by a situation where one is forced to listen to music whether by choice or without. Music is played in nearly all department stores and super markets. Even whilst walking in the streets, we find cars blaring with music. No matter which direction we go, we are blasted with music. The increasing popularity of music, which is prevalent in our society poses a tremendous danger for muslims.


Music is Haraam (SINFUL)

References within the context of the Holy Qur`aan along with the Hadith of the Prophet confirm that music is haraam.
Interpreters of the Qur`aan have defined the term `lahwal hadith` which is mentioned in the Qur`aan as:

1) Singing and listening to songs.
2) Purchasing of male and female singers.
3) Purchase of instruments of fun and amusement.

When Sayyidana Abdullah Ibne Mas`ood , a very close companion of our Prophet was asked about the meaning of the term `lahwal hadith`, he replied

“I swear by Him besides whom there is no other God,that it refers to ghinaa (singing ).”
This statement, he repeated three times. This view is unanimously supported by the four Khalifas, the eminent Sahabaah, Tabi`een, the four Imaams and other reliable Islaamic scholars and authorities.

One hadith from the Bukhari Shareef, the most authentic Book of Hadith, further confirms unlawfulness of music and singing :

`There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).`
Detailed analysis of the arabic word `ma`aazif ` shows that it refers to musical instruments, the sounds of those musical instruments and singing with the accompaniment of instruments.

Closer analysis of the wordings of the Hadith establishes the prohibition of music. Firstly, the words `seek to make lawful ` shows that music is not permissible, as logically one can only seek to make lawful that which is not allowed. Secondly, if music was not prohibited, then it would not have been brought within the same context as fornication and wine-drinking.

MUSIC - IT`S EFFECTS

Muslims are aware that nothing has been prohibited by Allah except that which is harmful to the welfare of a Muslim individual and the society as a whole. The divine attribute behind the prohibition of music can be comprehended by looking into the diverse influence music can have.

Experiments carried out by doctors and professors have confirmed that the music of today is such that it does not only affect the brain, but each and every organ of one`s body. There is a close relationship between music and bodily movements. We find that people listening to music automatically start tapping their fingers and feet, as if the music is permeating in their blood.

It is also proved that music affect`s one`s emotions, increases arousal in terms of alertness and excitement and also leads to various physiological changes in the person. In a psychology experiment, it was found that listening to moderate type of music increased one`s normal heart beat, whilst listening to rock music the heart beat increased even further, yet people claim that music has no effect.

It is a very ignorant and misguided attitude to percieve music as a form of pleasure and passing of time, since the messages of today`s music follow a general theme of love, fornication, drugs and freedom.

We find that the whole world is obsessed with the kufr idea of freedom, i.e. freedom of speech, freedom of movement, etc. In modern schools and universities, we observe independence, free expression and secular thinking being encouraged. This idea of freedom, “ It`s my life, I`ll do what I want” is a predominant, underlying theme of today`s music. It is being used as a means for drilling those modern ideologies that are totally contrary to Islamic Shariah and values, into the minds of Muslims.

One should abstain from evil audacities such as listening to music and encourage others to do the same too.

MAY ALMIGHTY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL TO THE STRAIGHT PATH-
AMEEN.


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  posted on 8/12/2012 at 10:17 AM
Yes music is forbidden in Islam, because that was given to the Prophet, peace be upon him, to warn the people of the potential it brought to lead people off the path.

Many people are unaware of this, I only learned about it within the last two years. We have chakras which are energy centers in the body. We are all electrical impulses and energy, that is what is in our bodies. Different tones, sounds have effects on these energy centers, there are specific notes that correspond with different areas of the chakras. Healing takes place on metaphysical levels governed by vibrational resonance.

Frequency 528 is the universal frequency for DNA repair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgMQOAWeVs0&feature=related

Regarding the Chakras, the eighth chakra corresponds with your soul. When that chakra is influenced it can be opened, by sound. That is obviously the danger of music, it can open your soul, if it is opened, nefarious entities can get in there.

You will see a lot of so called spiritual practitioners always put their hands on your head, your crown chakra, Chakra 7 and open it, they want that access.

No one has a right to do that. However sometimes bad entities have intruded upon someone, and a white light practitioner can get rid of the junk that is effecting someone's aura, but they must close it, many of them do not, they leave it open and they have access to you on that level.

It can be dangerous, who can you trust or not trust? Music effects the chakras, the different tones can balance chakras that are out of balance, but certain negative (even demonic) entities also can get access to someone when the chakras are opened. That is the danger of the music.

Many know that devil worship was celebrated with certain music, which originated in Africa, where the early roots of the blues developed. Does this mean that all blues musicians are demonically possessed? No, but it can open gateways that should not be opened.

Modern day Islam, many of the brothers do sing praises to God, but they do not use instruments, they use only the voices which God gave them. They do sing about struggle (jihad), faith. This is permissable as a form or recitation. Some may call it music because they sing, but they do this much in the same way as the Torah is recited, the noble Quran is recited also using different inflections, tones with the voice. It is the belief that man is allowed this and only this as a form of using sounds.

The rest of the world uses sounds to express their emotions, ease their pains, invite people to celebrations. If you watch musicians who are totally engrossed in their music, it seems like they are somewhere else and the music just comes thru them. In many cases, there are dark entities who are playing thru them, for the purpose of seduction of the masses. The music is sweet, evocative and compelling, enthralling. Where does the music lead you to? If if leads you to things which are manifestations of a demonically driven life, it is not good for you, your faith, and your eternal future.

My directing Brer Rabbit to a version of Statesboro Blues, was to try to bring his focus back to something he would understand, the theme song of the band. That was the beginnings of the band. They went thru a lot. Their future should be going in a direction away from cheating women, struggling and hard times. They have the potential and capacity to do a lot of good, because of their reach, but the focus would have to change. Is this going to happen? Hard to say, but at least they have abandoned the drug and alcohol haze of their early life as a band.

Jaimoe is a Muslim, this is a good thing, he can be the one to help them along the way. It can happen.

There is music in heaven, I have told the story before, I'll tell it again. I had to find something for a relative's confirmation, so I sought a religious store to look around. I arrived at a small blue house and they had prayer cards with the meanings of people's names on them. On a card with Duane's name on it, is a picture of a road a two lane road that goes thru an area that looks like Georgia. It says "Cheerful of Heart, Yet I will rejoice in the Lord, i will joy in the God of my Salvation", the verse is from Habakkuk 3:18. When you look that up it says "For the Director of Music of my Stringed Instruments". That kind of blew me away. The next day I asked the question while I was driving, "is he really in heaven", within 1-2 minutes a pickup truck was driving east, I was going west and on the hood was written "Galadrielle".

So it has been a dilemna for me, as one who loves what Duane has brought in his music, and then being brought to Islam which forbids music; then I learn that many of our Muslim brothers do use their voices and it is okay, it just has to be for the good. If you want to call it music, the focus of sounds must be in remembrance and glorifying the one and only God.

Will the band evolve to to that? I don't know, but I remain hopeful. As the world digresses and chaos sets in and the New World Order agenda moves forward, it is my hope that people will see the prophecies are happening, and when they do, they will be moved to be on the path that leads to eternity, and I know Duane is up there, I KNOW it now. Bands like AC/DC will be going the other way, they have chosen that, they celebrate being on their Highway to Hell. Ultimately musicians will be faced with the same choices everyone else is. Where do you want to go? Whose laws do you want to live by? For those who are still struggling, music can provide solace to them while they find their way.

I have my own struggles too, we cannot live a life like a monk in monastery. We have to incorporate that which we learn into our lives and help others along the path to the best of our ability. Sometimes we fall short of the mark, digress to the familiar and the flawed responses of earlier times in our lives. Should I direct people to music whose roots comes from homage to demonic forces, no I should not. I walk a fine line, sometimes I stumble and digress.

So you are correct, you win on the point you made. The greater issues of evolution and getting right remain for all to choose or not. I am only a messenger, to share what info. comes along that may help other people, I am imperfect, still a work in progress, like everyone else.








[Edited on 8/12/2012 by gina]

 

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  posted on 8/12/2012 at 01:22 PM
Well, that is all very interesting, but I for one refuse to listen to any more evil rock music until they all burn their instruments and sing hymns acapella. And that goes for those nefarious Allman Brothers too. I strongly encourage everyone on earth to eschew the "devil's trombones", any music accompanied by instruments, and not specifically devoted to the Glory of God.

How about a Gregorian chant version of "Dreams" ? That would be acceptable. Or maybe a nice Muslim adhan morning prayer call version of "Whipping Post" ? I think Gregg could do a great job with that, calling the faithful to their mats with a soaring plaintive plea, while admonishing them for their transgressions, and threatening them with the Whipping Post. Derek ccould hum the slide guitar parts, and we could all breath a sigh of relief that those devil-worshipping rockers weren't invading our 7th chakras any more.

I encourage all peoples of the world to come to their senses and start building bonfires for all the musical instruments, and gathering up stones unto them to cast upon the players of guitars, beaters of demon drums, and singers of blues.

Now, all, prior to the ritual execution by stoning of the unrepentant rockers, rise, and join me in the new holy hymn, the anthem of a rockless world: a vocal-only rendition of "Rainy Day Women #12 and 35" by Elder Bob Dylan:

I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned


If only we had done this to Robert Johnson when we had the chance, but alas, we are imperfect:



"This will teach you what happens to people who listen to pre-liberation Allman Brothers, sinner!"

Be careful, all you infidels, lest you "get stoned" at a Taliban "rock show".













[Edited on 8/12/2012 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 8/12/2012 at 06:26 PM
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Many know that devil worship was celebrated with certain music, which originated in Africa, where the early roots of the blues developed.



So does this mean that the devil is from Africa ? Or just the first devil worshippers ? At any rate you seem to be suggesting that the blues originated from devil worship. Did the Celtic tribes have devil music too ? Who was more likely to worship the devil and play devil music, early Europeans or Africans ? What was the music like at Stonehenge ?

Modern devil music certainly was not invented by the Allman Brothers, they were led astray by dark forces like Elmore James, and other demonic influences, mostly black bluesmen, so there certainly is that strong demonic African devil connection. So I think it is safe to say that the music of the Allman Brothers is not their fault. However, they should repent and shoulder some responsibility for leading so many of us astray. I would hate to have to admit that Allman Brothers concerts are really nothing but satanic rituals. If so, Watkins Glen was the single largest demonic gathering in world history, which would make the Allman Brothers the darkest of the Dark Lords. All speculation aside, I agree with you that there is hope for the Allman Brothers Band, albeit a slim ray, if they would just throw away their instruments and sing praises to God only, and if their fans would cease supporting their wicked rock and blues music, and bless the band by rushing the stage at their next show and smashing all their gear into splinters.

As to the European versus African devil quiestion, we do know for certain that they burned a lot of witches in Europe, so maybe Europeans were just as bad as Africans. The question that comes up here, is the devil a white man or a black man ? (No Obama jokes please, I'm expecting an enlightening chautaqua on anthropology and theology from G.I.N.A.)

And, perhaps the most compelling question of all: can the devil play the blues ?

Is this the devil in disguise, or Robert Johnson ? You decide.


 

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  posted on 8/13/2012 at 07:26 PM
The devil came from heaven, where he was ousted because he would not submit to God's commands. He was told to bow down to Adam, and he said why should I? He is a mortal, he is not superior to me. I have no problem bowing down to you, but why should I bow down to an inferior, lowly human?

But from God's way of thinking, it was the fact that he was defying his command for him to do that, which is what infuriated him. The bargain he made with God was he asked for respite till Judgement Day, he told God that he would weed out his kingdom of those who truly did not deserve to be in it, in this way he would prove his devotion and loyalty to God, weeding out potential people from getting into heaven, people who did not deserve to come there.

He told God he would lie, deceive them, but if their faith was strong enough then he would not succeed. God liked the idea, so he granted him respite till Judgement Day, and allows him to deceive, mislead, and seduce people using the things God forbid people to use. (getting drunk, getting laid outside of marriage etc.). As an angel of light, he had power that's where the devil came from.

The origins of the blues music came from Africa, and it was practiced by the Yoruba people.

Some like "Author Ed Morales has claimed that Yoruba mythology played a part in early blues, citing Robert Johnson's "Cross Road Blues" as a "thinly veiled reference to Eleggua, the orisha in charge of the crossroads.

Surely you know the story about the Crossroads. Everybody knows it.

"Eshu is the orisha of chance, accident and unpredictability. Because he is Olorun's linguist and the master of languages, Eshu is responsible for carrying messages and sacrifices from humans to the Sky God. Also known for his phallic powers and exploits. Eshu is said to lurk at gateways, on the highways and at the crossroads, where he introduces chance and accident into the lives of humans. Known by a variety of names, including Elegbara."

The Yorubas practice deity worship in that they use intecessors to bring petitions and prayers to their God. This is forbidden by God who declares he is to be worshipped as a monotheistic God.

What happened in Africa was that people used intecessors to carry prayers to those they believed to be good spriits that would take their pleas to God. In this way, they became defiled. The way it works here in the US is that if someone wants something, they bring money and offerrings (fruit, liquor) to someone who will perform rituals on their behalf using spirits who will get things done for them. Once they start dabbling in these matters, they end up needing protection, so they pay a fee, and become initiated and receive beads that have mystical powers to protect them from evil forces who would like to conquer them.

There are other sects some of which use black magic and spirits who get things done via the dark side emissaries. Many white side pactitioners do not even know how to combat this stuff, but there are those who do.

Are most musicians aware of all this? Can't say. Some will give anything to have the success, money and pleasures of this world, but it comes at a price. Some are willing to pay that price, if they do, their eternity is separation from the real God. It's not limited to musicians, it goes aross the board to many occupations and industries.

Each person must choose for themselves which path to follow.

 

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  posted on 8/17/2012 at 03:37 PM
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The devil came from heaven, where he was ousted because he would not submit to God's commands. He was told to bow down to Adam, and he said why should I? He is a mortal, he is not superior to me. I have no problem bowing down to you, but why should I bow down to an inferior, lowly human?

But from God's way of thinking, it was the fact that he was defying his command for him to do that, which is what infuriated him. The bargain he made with God was he asked for respite till Judgement Day, he told God that he would weed out his kingdom of those who truly did not deserve to be in it, in this way he would prove his devotion and loyalty to God, weeding out potential people from getting into heaven, people who did not deserve to come there.

He told God he would lie, deceive them, but if their faith was strong enough then he would not succeed. God liked the idea, so he granted him respite till Judgement Day, and allows him to deceive, mislead, and seduce people using the things God forbid people to use. (getting drunk, getting laid outside of marriage etc.). As an angel of light, he had power that's where the devil came from.



Could you post the chapter and verse numbers in the Bible where you found this info ? Thx

 

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The devil came from heaven, where he was ousted because he would not submit to God's commands. He was told to bow down to Adam, and he said why should I? He is a mortal, he is not superior to me. I have no problem bowing down to you, but why should I bow down to an inferior, lowly human?

But from God's way of thinking, it was the fact that he was defying his command for him to do that, which is what infuriated him. The bargain he made with God was he asked for respite till Judgement Day, he told God that he would weed out his kingdom of those who truly did not deserve to be in it, in this way he would prove his devotion and loyalty to God, weeding out potential people from getting into heaven, people who did not deserve to come there.

He told God he would lie, deceive them, but if their faith was strong enough then he would not succeed. God liked the idea, so he granted him respite till Judgement Day, and allows him to deceive, mislead, and seduce people using the things God forbid people to use. (getting drunk, getting laid outside of marriage etc.). As an angel of light, he had power that's where the devil came from.
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Could you post the chapter and verse numbers in the Bible where you found this info ? Thx



Well ? I'm waiting patiently. I would like to look up the passages and read them myself. Thx again

 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 03:12 PM
BrerRabbit,

What Gina is talking about is not found in the Bible. It's is found in a book of writing entitled the Life of Adam and Eve. Here's a wikipedia link that will give you some further info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_of_Adam_and_Eve

 

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hey thx sib

good link. that's going to take some research, I'll catch up eventually. When i get the huevos and the patience I want to wade thru the Book of Enoch

 

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BrerRabbit,

What Gina is talking about is not found in the Bible. It's is found in a book of writing entitled the Life of Adam and Eve. Here's a wikipedia link that will give you some further info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_of_Adam_and_Eve


Guess you are still hanging around

 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 07:40 PM
I'm guessing then there isn't much of a cheering squad in here for evolution? If Adam and Eve aren't representions of men and women in general then there was some serious incest going on in that Cain and Abel had to have married their own sisters. And if it's correct that they went to the land of Nod to marry, that means there were other people on the planet. I can't, with so many questions, take the Bible literally.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 08:39 PM
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I'm guessing then there isn't much of a cheering squad in here for evolution?


au contraire mon cher! way I see it, after watching life's changes all these years, there is no conflict between evolution and creation. Evolution is creation, is how I finally figured it. Everyone's so busy arguing they're missing the great work of art in progress. More important to them to break into two camps, one to defend a dead God (stagnant religious dogma), the other worshipping the God of the Dead (stone cold scientific rationality).



[Edited on 8/19/2012 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 8/18/2012 at 08:51 PM
Years ago, right after Planet of the Apes came out, I answered the door to discover two people passing out the Watch Tower little magazines and one of the first things the guy said was 'Do you believe in evolution of Divine creation?" I answered 'I believe in Divine creation through evolution." You could tell no one had prepared him for that answer. He and the other guy just stood there speechless for about thirty seconds, then thanked me for my time and left without saying another word! Point is, I agree with you....evolution doesn't at all mean it wasn't part of a Divine plan.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2012 at 03:08 PM
This is one weird thread

Fred...might as well stick around...

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  posted on 8/19/2012 at 03:14 PM
I really miss a 'like' button in this site!

 

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  posted on 8/19/2012 at 06:33 PM
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I'm guessing then there isn't much of a cheering squad in here for evolution?


au contraire mon cher! way I see it, after watching life's changes all these years, there is no conflict between evolution and creation. Evolution is creation, is how I finally figured it. Everyone's so busy arguing they're missing the great work of art in progress. More important to them to break into two camps, one to defend a dead God (stagnant religious dogma), the other worshipping the God of the Dead (stone cold scientific rationality).



I agree. The entire universe and everything in it is constantly changing, which is what "evolution" is really about. If God exists science willl bear that out and should be wholeheartedly embraced.

 

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This is one weird thread

Fred...might as well stick around...

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wait 'til football season gets going...

 

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Bumpin up a classic from the vault.

I miss bigann

 

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I forgot all about this thread. It was very entertaining!

 

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