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  posted on 4/25/2012 at 12:47 PM
A ridiculous ruling by the Obama Administration. Pathetic. Let the farm kids do their thing without braindead everybody-driving-a-car-should-wear-a-helmet-type of government intrusion. It is the same as the liberal yuppy politically correct boneheads moving out into the country and then freaking out if somebody up the holler sites their gun in or shoots some clays, or they become a$$holes when following a slow tractor or combine on the road, or they smell a cow pasture or hear a goat squawking, or God forbid somebody making the deer herds healthier by thinning a few out or cutting the head off a free-range chicken or nailing a catfish to a tree. Please stay the hell out of the country if your not used to being off the hard road. Thanks.


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Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores


A proposal from the Obama administration to prevent children from doing farm chores has drawn plenty of criticism from rural-district member of Congress. But now it’s attracting barbs from farm kids themselves.

The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child-labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.

Under the rules, children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”

“Prohibited places of employment,” a Department press release read, “would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.”

The new regulations, first proposed August 31 by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, would also revoke the government’s approval of safety training and certification taught by independent groups like 4-H and FFA, replacing them instead with a 90-hour federal government training course.

Rossie Blinson, a 21-year-old college student from Buis Creek, N.C., told The Daily Caller that the federal government’s plan will do far more harm than good.

“The main concern I have is that it would prevent kids from doing 4-H and FFA projects if they’re not at their parents’ house,” said Blinson.

“I started showing sheep when I was four years old. I started with cattle around 8. It’s been very important. I learned a lot of responsibility being a farm kid.”

In Kansas, Cherokee County Farm Bureau president Jeff Clark was out in the field — literally on a tractor — when TheDC reached him. He said if Solis’s regulations are implemented, farming families’ labor losses from their children will only be part of the problem.

“What would be more of a blow,” he said, “is not teaching our kids the values of working on a farm.”

The Environmental Protection Agency reports that the average age of the American farmer is now over 50.

“Losing that work-ethic — it’s so hard to pick this up later in life,” Clark said. “There’s other ways to learn how to farm, but it’s so hard. You can learn so much more working on the farm when you’re 12, 13, 14 years old.”

John Weber, 19, understands this. The Minneapolis native grew up in suburbia and learned the livestock business working summers on his relatives’ farm.

He’s now a college Agriculture major.

“I started working on my grandparent’s and uncle’s farms for a couple of weeks in the summer when I was 12,” Weber told TheDC. “I started spending full summers there when I was 13.”

“The work ethic is a huge part of it. It gave me a lot of direction and opportunity in my life. If they do this it will prevent a lot of interest in agriculture. It’s harder to get a 16 year-old interested in farming than a 12 year old.”

Weber is also a small businessman. In high school, he said, he took out a loan and bought a few steers to raise for income. “Under these regulations,” he explained, “I wouldn’t be allowed to do that.”

In February the Labor Department seemingly backed away from what many had called an unrealistic reach into farmers’ families, reopening the public comment period on a section of the regulations designed to give parents an exemption for their own children.

But U.S. farmers’ largest trade group is unimpressed.

“American Farm Bureau does not view that as a victory,” said Kristi Boswell, a labor specialist with the American Farm Bureau Federation. “It’s a misconception that they have backed off on the parental exemption.”

Boswell chafed at the government’s rationale for bringing farms strictly into line with child-labor laws.

“They have said the number of injuries are higher for children than in non-ag industries,” she said. But everyone in agriculture, Boswell insisted, “makes sure youth work in tasks that are age-appropriate.”

The safety training requirements strike many in agriculture as particularly strange, given an injury rate among young people that is already falling rapidly.

According to a United States Department of Agriculture study, farm accidents among youth fell nearly 40 percent between 2001 and 2009, to 7.2 injuries per 1,000 farms.

Clark said the regulations are vague and meddlesome.

“It’s so far-reaching,” he exclaimed, “kids would be prohibited from working on anything ‘power take-off’ driven, and anything with a work-height over six feet — which would include the tractor I’m on now.”

The way the regulations are currently written, he added, would prohibit children under 16 from using battery powered screwdrivers, since their motors, like those of a tractor, are defined as “power take-off driven.”

And jobs that could “inflict pain on an animal” would also be off-limits for kids. But “inflicting pain,” Clark explained, is left undefined: If it included something like putting a halter on a steer, 4-H and FFA animal shows would be a thing of the past.

In a letter to The Department of Labor in December, Montana Republican Rep. Denny Rehberg complained that the animal provision would also mean young people couldn’t “see veterinary medicine in practice … including a veterinarian’s own children accompanying him or her to a farm or ranch.”

Boswell told TheDC that the new farming regulations could go into effect as early as August. She claimed farmers could soon find The Labor Department’s Wage and Hour Division inspectors on their land, citing them for violations.

“In the last three years that division has grown 30 to 40 percent,” Boswell said. Some Farm Bureau members, she added, have had inspectors on their land checking on conditions for migrant workers, only to be cited for allowing their own children to perform chores that the Labor Department didn’t think were age-appropriate.

It’s something Kansas Republican Senator Jerry Moran believes simply shouldn’t happen.

During a March 14 hearing, Moran blasted Hilda Solis for getting between rural parents and their children.

“The consequences of the things that you put in your regulations lack common sense,” Moran said.

“And in my view, if the federal government can regulate the kind of relationship between parents and their children on their own family’s farm, there is almost nothing off-limits in which we see the federal government intruding in a way of life.”



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  posted on 4/25/2012 at 01:22 PM
Agree with you 110% my oldest started farming when he was very young and has one of the best work ethics you will ever EVER see...... While all his friends were out getting drunk, getting in trouble etc. he was working his butt off (by choice) to make his own money and his own way. You cant teach that kind of work ethic after a certain age......Didnt kill him, just made him a hard working man! And my youngest is doing the same thing.....We have enough spoiled self entitled brats in this country, adults and youth alike! Plus it gives them a love and respect for the land and the animals they work on and take care of.

 

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Awesome!! Big difference between "nature lovers" and those who actually participate in nature and know how it works, and that is a good thing to learn at a young age without Obama banning farm kids from collecting eggs in the morning, putting them in cartons and selling them along the roadside because Obama wants to keep them out of "the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”

 

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  posted on 4/25/2012 at 01:46 PM
A perfect example of the kind of extreme government overreach that has become so commonplace.

 

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  posted on 4/25/2012 at 02:04 PM
It's a proposal....hasn't even made it to more than an idea. Wish there was this much pushback for some of the ridiculous laws states are passing concerning women's health.

 

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It's a proposal....hasn't even made it to more than an idea. Wish there was this much pushback for some of the ridiculous laws states are passing concerning women's health.

The fact that it is even an idea is disconcerting. I agree with you...I wish there was more pushback against over-regulation on all issues and at every level.

 

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It's a proposal....hasn't even made it to more than an idea.


It shouldn't be an idea to begin with. The question is, how does such stupidity see the light of day at all?? I have a clue...............................

 

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  posted on 4/25/2012 at 02:38 PM
Sometimes it pays to look into the reason WHY some idea is proposed. I'm not saying the WHY won't be ridiculous, but there has to be something that generated this proposal. Some of my best times were out on my grandparents' farm and I don't see the problem. I'd just like to know WHY the rule was proposed and by whom.

 

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  posted on 4/25/2012 at 05:25 PM
This is just another attack on family famers that the government has made policy since the 50s. Under both "conservative" and "liberal" administrations. The family farmer is continuously pushed off their land by both sides of the political spectrum in the name of
"progress" Eddie Albert warned of this long before Willie Started Farm Aid.

They don't want family farmers to have the advantage of child labor when the factory farmers don't get that advantage. The rule ads to the family farmers labor costs and
makes them less competitive in the market.

Obama is just continuing that policy for the big money factory farming interests.

best gov't money can buy.

 

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  posted on 4/25/2012 at 07:18 PM
Might be a good idea to read something that's not from a republican/right wing source to get to the bottom of what the laws actually specify other than how some one with an agenda says it is. The law doesn't effect kids working on family farms.


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/0425/Sarah-Palin- says-Obama-wants-to-ban-kids-from-farm-work.-Is-she-right

 

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  posted on 4/25/2012 at 08:30 PM
Easy;

The Tennessean newspaper - http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120411/BUSINESS01/304110119/TN-farmers- oppose-labor-law-revisions

Western Kentucky University Public Radio -
http://wkyufm.org/post/?proposed-labor-department-r?egulations-would-impact -you?ng-farm-workers


The Omaha World-Herald newspaper reporting on the always impressive Future Farmers of America youth groups responding to this crap here -
http://www.omaha.com/?article/20120329/NEWS01/?703309963.


I am not for kids handling dangerous pesticides, I am all for organic farming when possible and there are some other common sense small steps that could be taken as this editorial talks about in the Star Tribune newspaper in the Twin Cities, and even though they are for some new guidelines they realize that what Obama is trying to do is lame and should be changed - http://?www.startribune.com/?opinion/editorials/?148330905.html.

But the problem, especially with the Obama admin, is government over-reach. They find one good idea and then use that to go too far. It is the notion that life should be benign and completely safe due to the warm blanket that is the government taking care of us. In that case, everyone that drives a car or truck or SUV on the road, should wear a helmet while driving and all road speed limits should be no higher than 25 mph because both of these things will save lives. The way its going, I'm guessing those proposals aren't that far off. Here is a perfect example - this column by Michelle Chen in the Huffington Post (http://tinyurl.com/8xsdfoe) basically saying that Obama should go even further than what is being proposed, and she starts the article with this - "[When I was 12] they gave me my first knife. Week after week I was cutting myself. Every week I had a new scar. My hands have a lot of stories." -- 17-year-old boy who started working at age 11 in Michigan (Human Rights Watch)." It used to be a rite of passage to be given your own knife as an 11 or 12 year old, and be taught how to use it right as a tool and so on. For me it was my grandpa who gave me mine at 11 years of age. Good luck doing that in this day and age.

Tonight, on the local TV station they honored their student of the week,

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WEST CHESTER, Ohio - At just 11-years-old, a West Chester fifth grader is improving his community daily.

Family and friends say Logan Grimes inspires them to be a better people and always keep a positive attitude.

At first glance, Grimes looks like a regular fifth grader, but he's not as his leadership skilled shine at Freedom School in West Chester.

“He's a leader among his classmates and peers here at Freedom. He shows great leadership skills, he's our student council representative; he does a great job on his academic work also,” said Terri Evick of Freedom School.

Grimes is an honor roll student and is extremely active in his community. He even helps raise money for the Life Center Organ Donor Network.

“My brother had a liver transplant, that's how I got involved in life center,” Grimes said.

Also, Grimes has a green thumb. He grew a garden in order to provide fresh produce for families who could not afford it.

“Well, one thing my uncle is a farmer and when I was a kid I would always go to his farm and stuff and the creek and all that kind of stuff, so I think that's where I got the like to garden,” said Grimes.

In the fall of 2011, Logan raked leaves to raise money and gave the donations to charity. Grimes says he plans to join a philanthropy organization in the future.

“I feel like I'm mostly just a normal kid, but the things that I do out of school it's kind of different from other people,” said Grimes. “I just kind of take responsibility, just stop fooling around sometimes and just try to become a leader and just do the work.”





Oh my God, he hung out at his uncle's farm and grew a garden to feed produce to those who couldn't garden themselves at 11 years of age, and did it without Obama's approval. And I'm guessing his uncle put him to work on that farm. Oh the horror!!!!!!!

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Might be a good idea to read something that's not from a republican/right wing source to get to the bottom of what the laws actually specify other than how some one with an agenda says it is.

LOL...how many times have I made the same comment about posts citing "news" from left wing blogs only to be accused of avoiding the issue by attacking the source?

But I agree with your point that it is important to know the source and be aware of agendas and prejudices when evaluating the credibility of news stories. That is always true regardless of personal political leanings. The original post cited a story from a right-leaning source and the story has the expected right wing spin.

Having said that, and having read your cited story, I still think this is an example of the federal government overreaching it's authority. To me it's not a right or left thing, both are equally guilty of expanding government control beyond it's Constitutional limits.

 

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  posted on 4/25/2012 at 08:48 PM
It is confusing reading these articles

the News release:

http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/whd/WHD20111250.htm

"The division is responsible for enforcing the FLSA, which establishes federal child labor provisions for both agricultural and nonagricultural employment, and charges the secretary of labor with prohibiting employment of youth in occupations that she finds and declares to be particularly hazardous for them. The FLSA establishes a minimum age of 18 for hazardous work in nonagricultural employment and 16 in agricultural employment. Once agricultural workers reach age 16, they are no longer subject to the FLSA's child labor provisions. The FLSA also provides a complete exemption for youths employed on farms owned by their parents."

 

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Might be a good idea to read something that's not from a republican/right wing source to get to the bottom of what the laws actually specify other than how some one with an agenda says it is.

LOL...how many times have I made the same comment about posts citing "news" from left wing blogs only to be accused of avoiding the issue by attacking the source?

But I agree with your point that it is important to know the source and be aware of agendas and prejudices when evaluating the credibility of news stories. That is always true regardless of personal political leanings. The original post cited a story from a right-leaning source and the story has the expected right wing spin.

Having said that, and having read your cited story, I still think this is an example of the federal government overreaching it's authority. To me it's not a right or left thing, both are equally guilty of expanding government control beyond it's Constitutional limits.


Fair enough. And I actually have investigated stories from left leaning sources to find out if they're fact or fiction.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2012 at 09:19 AM
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Obama administration scraps child labor restrictions for farms
By Rachel Leven - 04/26/12 08:14 PM ET

The Labor Department withdrew a proposed rule Thursday that would have limited the work that children can perform on farms.

The proposal drew heavy criticism from rural-state lawmakers and agricultural leaders, who cast the rule as government overreach that would erode the traditional American family. Others in Congress supported the rule, and unions argued it was needed to make farm work safer for young adults.

In nixing the proposal, the Labor Department cited the need to protect "the rural way of life."

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http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/224169-obama-administration-scraps-c hild-labor-rules-for-farms


 

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But critics of the rule, including Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.), argued the language of the exemption was unclear. He said it would be left “to the whims of how the next Labor secretary or the next administration decides to interpret these rules,” Rehberg said.

“You’ve got a president of the United States ... from Chicago, you’ve got a director for secretary of Labor who’s pushing this from Los Angeles, and you have to think to yourself, do you have any idea what it’s like not just to run an agricultural business in a rural state ... but to raise a family in one?” Rehberg told The Hill in December.



Exacty.The problem is that once you give an inch with the Left on government intrusion, what happens down the road is the problem.

But, in that Obama is ultimately just a politician instead of a leader, he usually caves like this when the right pressure is applied.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2012 at 12:47 PM
Wow, you are right! The republicans have never floated legislation and then pulled back on it! How dare he listen to public opinion......what is this man doing in government anyway?


LOL, the faux indignation is hilarious.........for a piece of legislation that would never see the light of day anyway.........

 

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The fact that they tried is clue enough.

 

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But that does not mean the administration is done with the issue of safety for child workers. The Labor Department had previously defended the rule as necessary while noting that the fatality rate for child farm workers is four times higher than that of non-agricultural laborers.

I suppose if it was a republican president wanting to address this problem he would be hailed as a great guy for wanting to look out four the children. Since it's Obama, people can't see that there might be a valid reason for taking a look at this issue.

 

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Nope. Reaction would be the same.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2012 at 04:16 PM
If you're okay with kids dying four times more on farms than at other jobs then I guess that says about all I need to know.

 

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But that does not mean the administration is done with the issue of safety for child workers. The Labor Department had previously defended the rule as necessary while noting that the fatality rate for child farm workers is four times higher than that of non-agricultural laborers.

I suppose if it was a republican president wanting to address this problem he would be hailed as a great guy for wanting to look out four the children. Since it's Obama, people can't see that there might be a valid reason for taking a look at this issue.

There are limits to which "issues" the federal government should be involved with.

 

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  posted on 4/27/2012 at 07:31 PM
I agree....and there are issues the states need to stay out of...like women's reproductive rights.

 

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A ridiculous ruling by the Obama Administration. Pathetic. Let the farm kids do their thing without braindead everybody-driving-a-car-should-wear-a-helmet-type of government intrusion. It is the same as the liberal yuppy politically correct boneheads moving out into the country and then freaking out if somebody up the holler sites their gun in or shoots some clays, or they become a$$holes when following a slow tractor or combine on the road, or they smell a cow pasture or hear a goat squawking, or God forbid somebody making the deer herds healthier by thinning a few out or cutting the head off a free-range chicken or nailing a catfish to a tree. Please stay the hell out of the country if your not used to being off the hard road. Thanks.


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Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores


A proposal from the Obama administration to prevent children from doing farm chores has drawn plenty of criticism from rural-district member of Congress. But now it’s attracting barbs from farm kids themselves.

The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child-labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.

Under the rules, children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”

“Prohibited places of employment,” a Department press release read, “would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.”

The new regulations, first proposed August 31 by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, would also revoke the government’s approval of safety training and certification taught by independent groups like 4-H and FFA, replacing them instead with a 90-hour federal government training course.

Rossie Blinson, a 21-year-old college student from Buis Creek, N.C., told The Daily Caller that the federal government’s plan will do far more harm than good.

“The main concern I have is that it would prevent kids from doing 4-H and FFA projects if they’re not at their parents’ house,” said Blinson.

“I started showing sheep when I was four years old. I started with cattle around 8. It’s been very important. I learned a lot of responsibility being a farm kid.”

In Kansas, Cherokee County Farm Bureau president Jeff Clark was out in the field — literally on a tractor — when TheDC reached him. He said if Solis’s regulations are implemented, farming families’ labor losses from their children will only be part of the problem.

“What would be more of a blow,” he said, “is not teaching our kids the values of working on a farm.”

The Environmental Protection Agency reports that the average age of the American farmer is now over 50.

“Losing that work-ethic — it’s so hard to pick this up later in life,” Clark said. “There’s other ways to learn how to farm, but it’s so hard. You can learn so much more working on the farm when you’re 12, 13, 14 years old.”

John Weber, 19, understands this. The Minneapolis native grew up in suburbia and learned the livestock business working summers on his relatives’ farm.

He’s now a college Agriculture major.

“I started working on my grandparent’s and uncle’s farms for a couple of weeks in the summer when I was 12,” Weber told TheDC. “I started spending full summers there when I was 13.”

“The work ethic is a huge part of it. It gave me a lot of direction and opportunity in my life. If they do this it will prevent a lot of interest in agriculture. It’s harder to get a 16 year-old interested in farming than a 12 year old.”

Weber is also a small businessman. In high school, he said, he took out a loan and bought a few steers to raise for income. “Under these regulations,” he explained, “I wouldn’t be allowed to do that.”

In February the Labor Department seemingly backed away from what many had called an unrealistic reach into farmers’ families, reopening the public comment period on a section of the regulations designed to give parents an exemption for their own children.

But U.S. farmers’ largest trade group is unimpressed.

“American Farm Bureau does not view that as a victory,” said Kristi Boswell, a labor specialist with the American Farm Bureau Federation. “It’s a misconception that they have backed off on the parental exemption.”

Boswell chafed at the government’s rationale for bringing farms strictly into line with child-labor laws.

“They have said the number of injuries are higher for children than in non-ag industries,” she said. But everyone in agriculture, Boswell insisted, “makes sure youth work in tasks that are age-appropriate.”

The safety training requirements strike many in agriculture as particularly strange, given an injury rate among young people that is already falling rapidly.

According to a United States Department of Agriculture study, farm accidents among youth fell nearly 40 percent between 2001 and 2009, to 7.2 injuries per 1,000 farms.

Clark said the regulations are vague and meddlesome.

“It’s so far-reaching,” he exclaimed, “kids would be prohibited from working on anything ‘power take-off’ driven, and anything with a work-height over six feet — which would include the tractor I’m on now.”

The way the regulations are currently written, he added, would prohibit children under 16 from using battery powered screwdrivers, since their motors, like those of a tractor, are defined as “power take-off driven.”

And jobs that could “inflict pain on an animal” would also be off-limits for kids. But “inflicting pain,” Clark explained, is left undefined: If it included something like putting a halter on a steer, 4-H and FFA animal shows would be a thing of the past.

In a letter to The Department of Labor in December, Montana Republican Rep. Denny Rehberg complained that the animal provision would also mean young people couldn’t “see veterinary medicine in practice … including a veterinarian’s own children accompanying him or her to a farm or ranch.”

Boswell told TheDC that the new farming regulations could go into effect as early as August. She claimed farmers could soon find The Labor Department’s Wage and Hour Division inspectors on their land, citing them for violations.

“In the last three years that division has grown 30 to 40 percent,” Boswell said. Some Farm Bureau members, she added, have had inspectors on their land checking on conditions for migrant workers, only to be cited for allowing their own children to perform chores that the Labor Department didn’t think were age-appropriate.

It’s something Kansas Republican Senator Jerry Moran believes simply shouldn’t happen.

During a March 14 hearing, Moran blasted Hilda Solis for getting between rural parents and their children.

“The consequences of the things that you put in your regulations lack common sense,” Moran said.

“And in my view, if the federal government can regulate the kind of relationship between parents and their children on their own family’s farm, there is almost nothing off-limits in which we see the federal government intruding in a way of life.”



[Edited on 4/25/2012 by DerekFromCincinnati]
yeah we know!, tell us how you are down with the rural folk in west virginia, cuz when you wuz a young-un you milked a male goat on uncle wormy's farm.

 

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  posted on 4/28/2012 at 01:32 AM
A. If everyone who either drives or rides in a car, SUV or truck would wear a helmet, would it saves lives??? Yes or no?

B.- Would lowering all speed limits to 30 mph on every road including highways save lives?? Yes or no?

C.- If the answer to those questions is yes - should the government protect us by enacting laws that would make those things required?? Yes or no??

 

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