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  posted on 9/9/2011 at 08:33 AM
I always go to youtube for my facts too.......

Is there a conspiracy theory you haven't jumped on?

 

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I always go to youtube for my facts too.......

Is there a conspiracy theory you haven't jumped on?


he hasn't fallen for the I Blame Sang theory

 

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Proof bombs were used to bring the buildings down, a controlled demolition. Have you ever heard of a building collapse from fire? No? Me either.

Can you cite any examples of large passenger jets laiden with jet fuel crashing into the top 3rd of 100+ story skyscrapers where they didn't collapse? No? Didn't think so.

 

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I always go to youtube for my facts too.......

Is there a conspiracy theory you haven't jumped on?


It's not a conspiracy when you have first responders on the scene who said they knew bombs were in the buildings. See Eric Naudet's video with live in your face, on the scene action from the first responders, in addition to William Rodriguez who was in the Bldg. near the bottom and felt the rumblings of the floor beneath him, etc. etc.

OR check with the scientists who know how a bldg. would collapse naturally, and that a plane in the bldg. would have just burned, but not melted the steel support structures etc. etc. Check what the architechts had to say Sang.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://architects-and-engineers-for-911-truth.meetup.com/

 

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Proof bombs were used to bring the buildings down, a controlled demolition. Have you ever heard of a building collapse from fire? No? Me either.

Can you cite any examples of large passenger jets laiden with jet fuel crashing into the top 3rd of 100+ story skyscrapers where they didn't collapse? No? Didn't think so.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQbM


 

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Proof bombs were used to bring the buildings down, a controlled demolition. Have you ever heard of a building collapse from fire? No? Me either.

Can you cite any examples of large passenger jets laiden with jet fuel crashing into the top 3rd of 100+ story skyscrapers where they didn't collapse? No? Didn't think so.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQbM





Like I said, didn't think so.

 

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The Twin Towers employed an external framing system.

Older buildings (like the Empire State - which did survive being hit by a plane) used an interior framing system - and lots of concrete.

I'm sure cost was a factor in using the exterior frame system. It is cheaper and at the time, I don't think our international relations were to the point where we worried so much about terrorism.

The floors of buildings like the Twin Towers basically hang from this exterior frame. Needless to say, the framing buckled quickly upon being hit by the jet airliners. Obviously, and in retrospect - the external frame system was not a good choice for such a skyscraper.

Now, my questions for all the conspiracy people are:

1. Why would our own government want to sabotage the Twin Towers?
2. What was there to be gained by doing this?
3. Was it supposed to lead to a war (or wars) to strengthen our economy?

If any of this was the intent - if there was a government sponsored conspiracy - it obviously did not work.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2011 at 12:33 PM
I have seen architects from both sides talk about it..... putting "truth" into your name doesn't make it so.......

 

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The Twin Towers employed an external framing system.

Older buildings (like the Empire State - which did survive being hit by a plane) used an interior framing system - and lots of concrete.

I'm sure cost was a factor in using the exterior frame system. It is cheaper and at the time, I don't think our international relations were to the point where we worried so much about terrorism.

The floors of buildings like the Twin Towers basically hang from this exterior frame. Needless to say, the framing buckled quickly upon being hit by the jet airliners. Obviously, and in retrospect - the external frame system was not a good choice for such a skyscraper.

Now, my questions for all the conspiracy people are:

1. Why would our own government want to sabotage the Twin Towers?
2. What was there to be gained by doing this?
3. Was it supposed to lead to a war (or wars) to strengthen our economy?

If any of this was the intent - if there was a government sponsored conspiracy - it obviously did not work.


It is about a worldwide oil shortage Rusty. Opec was incorrect (either deliberately or accidentally) in it's estimation of how much oil there was. Even today in Saudi Arabia, in the largest oil field, Ghawar, they are using compressed water to try to extract more from the wells. Back in 1993, to address these concerns, known only to a few at the upper echelons of govt. those in the powerful spots, including Cheney, Doug Fieth, Richard Perle, etc. came up with Operation Clean Break which would provide scenarios of how to destabilize the Middle East in order to get the oil and manage it jointly with our oil friendly friends.

Entitled "Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," this paper outlined a scenario whereby the 1993 Oslo Accords between Israel and the Palestinian Authority would be torn to shreds, and, first Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Hezbollah, and Iran, would be targetted for military assault and political destabilization.

http://larouchepub.com/other/2005/3208hariri_killed.html

You know the offer to help the Taliban manage a pipeline from the Caspian Sea that would run thru their country, with the US company Unocal was refused, the Taliban wanted Bridas from Venezuela to help them, this was shortly before 9/11.

911 opened the door, we went to Afghanistan, the deals for that pipeline were signed the day after our war began. We also were able to go to Iraq, claiming Saddam had WMD's and was providing safe haven for al Qaida. The other countries we have been involved in Libya, Sudan, Syria, Yemen were specified by General Wesley Clark that we would be going there.

There is only a ten year supply left from the sources we get oil from. If we don't take it from places like Iran, the Sudan, etc. we won't have enough. That is the real reason for the attacks, I believe Osama did not want to work for our govt. so they decided to use him as the excuse, along with the Saudis who had their own axe to grind against him (since he wants to take down their ruling regime and put a caliphate in there).

 

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  posted on 9/9/2011 at 02:20 PM
here is a question for scientists and engineers


Why is it that the NIST finite state model of the collaspe not work, unless they fudge it
by removing key CENTRAL support columns from model?

Why does NIST refuse to discuss this with professionals from that field?
dispite being public servants required to answer such questions?

no gov't coverup there.

nope, move along nothing to see here.



 

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  posted on 9/9/2011 at 02:47 PM
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1. Why would our own government want to sabotage the Twin Towers?
2. What was there to be gained by doing this?
3. Was it supposed to lead to a war (or wars) to strengthen our economy?


It was done to take your rights away from you and we gave them up willingly. The Patriot Act I & II and the FISA bill has stripped you of all your liberties.

They love depopulation. Do you know how many Iraqi/Afghan citizens have died since we invaded their countries? Do you know how many US troops have died? And for what? Oil. I don't think so. We have plenty but won't drill for it. If it was all about oil, we would be drilling here.

It was also done to allow them to bolster the military industrial complex as well as FEMA and DHS.

It was also done to bankrupt our country. They are after a one world currency and when the dollar crashes, they will get what they want.

How stupid are people to think that some guy in a cave could perpetrate such an act. On top of that they also believe that we sent our best guys in to get Bin Laden, he has no weapon, we blow his head off and then throw him off a ship and now there is no body or proof that we even got him.

Hermann Goering -
“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”


You can't destroy a democracy overnight, it takes time, and your kids futures.

 

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Let the fear mongering begin. Isn't fascism fun!


I know, how about they show the whole event in its entirety again so we can all relive it over and over again (Try MSNBC on 9/11, the love to show it over and over).

To think, 3,000 people died to bankrupt a nation. Brilliant!

Proof bombs were used to bring the buildings down, a controlled demolition. Have you ever heard of a building collapse from fire? No? Me either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw


Here's one for the 9/11 conspiracy folks...

Theodore Olson was a Solicitor General under Dubya from 2001 to 2004.
Olson's wife, Barbara Olson, was a passenger on the hijacked American
Airlines Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon. Since 9/11 was a
government conspiracy (according to the aforementioned kool-aid drinkers),
did Theodore Olson, Bush's buddy, think the following words: "It's OK
that my wife died. It's all in the grand scheme to get a one-world-currency
and deprive people of their liberties. So it's OK that my wife died for that
cause."? Paging JerryPhilBob.



[Edited on 9/11/2011 by woodsdweller]

 

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  posted on 9/9/2011 at 03:39 PM
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Who?

Do you think they told everyone? Give me a break. There was bound to be some collateral damage. Shiit happens.

It's not like one of the Bush girls were on that plane. This guy obviously wasn't high enough on the food chain. Too bad for him.

 

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Who?

Do you think they told everyone? Give me a break. There was bound to be some collateral damage. Shiit happens.

It's not like one of the Bush girls were on that plane. This guy obviously wasn't high enough on the food chain. Too bad for him.



Just as I thought. You couldn't answer the question.

 

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Who?

Do you think they told everyone? Give me a break. There was bound to be some collateral damage. Shiit happens.

It's not like one of the Bush girls were on that plane. This guy obviously wasn't high enough on the food chain. Too bad for him.



Just as I thought. You couldn't answer the question.


I'm pretty sure he answered the question with "This guy obviously wasn't high enough on the food chain. .... correct me if I'm wrong, JPB.

 

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here is a question for scientists and engineers


Why is it that the NIST finite state model of the collaspe not work, unless they fudge it
by removing key CENTRAL support columns from model?

Why does NIST refuse to discuss this with professionals from that field?
dispite being public servants required to answer such questions?

no gov't coverup there.

nope, move along nothing to see here.




Yeah.... and as I recall, wasn't the bulk of the steel (evidence?) sold, shipped away and recycled very soon after the "collapses"?

 

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  posted on 9/9/2011 at 04:37 PM
Don't even get me started on building 7.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2011 at 05:02 PM
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Let the fear mongering begin. Isn't fascism fun!


I know, how about they show the whole event in its entirety again so we can all relive it over and over again (Try MSNBC on 9/11, the love to show it over and over).

To think, 3,000 people died to bankrupt a nation. Brilliant!

Proof bombs were used to bring the buildings down, a controlled demolition. Have you ever heard of a building collapse from fire? No? Me either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw


I actually just watched this.

Clips put together of news reports on CFR/NWO controlled networks that provide ironclad proof that the CFR/NWO was responsible for the events of 9/11.

If the CFR/NWO cabal was behind the whole th...

Ohhhh...



Never mind.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2011 at 05:20 PM
Here's a what if.....suppose a select few government officials....can you say Cheney for one....knew there were attacks being planned and for the reasons listed above by others, chose to ignore it, conisidering it, if you will, an opportunity to go back into Iraq. It's been brought to light they were looking for a reason before the attacks.

One thing I've found interesting is the attacks took place before everyone was at work in the buildings. I've wondered why the terrorists didn't take later flights in order to inflict even greater loss of life. I'm glad they didn't, but I still wonder why.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2011 at 06:08 PM
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Don't even get me started on building 7.


OK, excuse me while I adjust my tinfoil thinking cap here...
there, that's better...

well, kids, gather round, here's a conspiracy theory I concocted all on
my lonesome, never heard it anywhere, never drank any kool-aid, just
connected some dots.

If you haven't studied the Building 7 info, don't even read this, because if
you weren't even curious in the first place, you're just not the inquisitive type.

For some reason there is this common belief that Flight 93 was headed for
D.C. Of course it is anyone's guess where it was going.

What if it was headed for Building 7 ?
Passengers managed to crash the plane, or whatever happened to the plane,
plane never hits building, so the building
has to be demolished anyway, without the airplane crash cover story.

Why? The 23rd floor of Building 7 was Giuliani's command and control center, a 15-million dollar
complex.

If this is a brand new original theory, remember, you heard it on HTW first !

Ok, gotta take off my tinfoil hat now, it's messing with my Bluetooth.

(should have checked the web first, looks like this idea is already circulating. Figures. Buncha godd*m crackpots, if you ask me. Why the heck anyone would suspect anything but the party line on this story is beyond me! To even think to ask any questions at all is an insult to our great country. Who would call for rock-solid unbiased forensic investigation and proof in the biggest crime in American history? Nutbags, that's who. )

[Edited on 9/9/2011 by scrambldybones]

 

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  posted on 9/9/2011 at 06:58 PM
I am not a scientist or an engineer but this seems to be common sense physics to me. Steel weakened by fire can't support massive weight of building above the fire. Both buildings started collapsing right at the site of the plane impacts where both the structure was damaged from the impact itself and the jet fuel dispersed and was burning. Simple physics and I never took a physics class.

Another example is that the second building collapsed first. Simple physics. The second plane hit the second tower at a lower level, therefore the weight above that impact zone was heavier than the weight above the crash in the first tower. More weight equals second tower hit collapses first. Simple physics! It is very simply explained IMO.

 

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The conspiracy cr@p really cracks me up. There are some really paranoid and crazy thinking people in this world!!! For it to be a conspiracy they would have had to plant explosives right at the exact site of the plane impacts. Who planted the explosives and when??? Who flew the planes full of American citizens into the exact spots of the WTC where the collapse started??? Who flew the planes full of American citizens into the Pentagon and the field in Penn.??? You really telling me that our government purposely murdered 3000 Americans in the WTC, hundreds more at the Pentagon, and scores more on the four planes so they could start up the Patriot act????? I want some of whatever drug it is you are taking!!!

Our government able to pull something like that off without it leaking and being found out??? BwaaaaaHaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaa!!!! You conspiracy folks need help really. Not sure you are using the brains that the man upstairs gave you. LOL!!! Thanks for the good laughs!!!

 

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The conspiracy cr@p really cracks me up. There are some really paranoid and crazy thinking people in this world!!! For it to be a conspiracy they would have had to plant explosives right at the exact site of the plane impacts. Who planted the explosives and when??? Who flew the planes full of American citizens into the exact spots of the WTC where the collapse started??? Who flew the planes full of American citizens into the Pentagon and the field in Penn.??? You really telling me that our government purposely murdered 3000 Americans in the WTC, hundreds more at the Pentagon, and scores more on the four planes so they could start up the Patriot act????? I want some of whatever drug it is you are taking!!!

Our government able to pull something like that off without it leaking and being found out??? BwaaaaaHaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaa!!!! You conspiracy folks need help really. Not sure you are using the brains that the man upstairs gave you. LOL!!! Thanks for the good laughs!!!


The same people who say our government can't do anything right somehow believe they can pull this off, too crazy and hysterically hilarious. Bat **** nuts doesn't even begin to describe these wacked out people.

Never mind that PhD Engineers and physicists from Cambridge, Purdue, Northwestern, MIT, University of Michigan, University of Colorado, University of Illinois and numerous others have already mathematically proven through structural engineering computer models that the twin towers collapsed exactly the way they should have under those conditions. Unreal how many totally nuts delusional wack jobs there are out there. I use to think I wanted to meet some of these people.

 

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