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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 04:53 PM
Here's the gist:

A 13 year old boy in Turlock Ca, was asked to remove the U.S. Flag from the back of his Bicycle a few days before Veterans day because "some" students had complained and the "Campus Supervisor" was afraid of "Racial Tension"....What a bunch of **** !!... How about going after the trouble makers?

"Racial Tension" ...LMAO...You mean the Mexican population at the School?

What Country is this?

[Edited on 11/13/2010 by BIGV]

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 05:21 PM
Apparently it's true...

http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-americanflagbike11122010,0,3045879 .htmlstory

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 05:22 PM
Denair Middle School in Turlock Ca.

And they are not answering the phones!!!

Go figure

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 06:00 PM
I've said all along, we've got some really stupid people in charge of our children's education. That's wrong, plain and simple. I have to wonder when this pseudo political correctness is going to end.

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 06:02 PM
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I've said all along, we've got some really stupid people in charge of our children's education. That's wrong, plain and simple. I have to wonder when this pseudo political correctness is going to end.


It's not confined to "Political correctness"...This is a case of an American Flag "bothering" the Mexican community. Call it what it is!!!

Wonder what Flag flies over the School?

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 06:08 PM
That's why it's pseuco-political correctness. There's absolutely no reason to have asked the kid to remove the flag....doesn't that fool know what Veteran's Day is about?

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 06:11 PM
Make a phone call....let them know what the rest of the country thinks about what happened:

http://www.ci.turlock.ca.us/

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 06:14 PM
It's what starts to happen when sensitivities to the sensibilities of others becomes so great as to overwhelm sensitivity to the sensibilities of our own people. It is an extreme example but far from isolated.

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 06:42 PM
I'm a 'liberal' and I'm going on record to say I don't support this particular trend.

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 07:18 PM
Sickening.

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 07:51 PM
Amazing.....

The very flag, that is protecting the right to make a stance against the flag, is refused?

Reminds me of the POW that every time he was beaten, returned to his cell to use his own blood to draw out an American flag on the wall to salute. We may have forgotten him, but he never forgot us.

America as we know it has died a slow death, we deserve what is to come.

We simply forgot what made us Great....it all got watered down......nothing to leave our children.

 

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[Edited on 11/13/2010 by TanDan]

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 08:17 PM
"They love us in Turlock, and we love them."

Who said it?

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 08:24 PM
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"They love us in Turlock, and we love them."

Who said it?

I believe that would be Bobby.

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 08:41 PM
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"They love us in Turlock, and we love them."

Who said it?

I believe that would be Bobby.


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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 10:30 PM
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Amazing.....

The very flag, that is protecting the right to make a stance against the flag, is refused?

Reminds me of the POW that every time he was beaten, returned to his cell to use his own blood to draw out an American flag on the wall to salute. We may have forgotten him, but he never forgot us.

America as we know it has died a slow death, we deserve what is to come.

We simply forgot what made us Great....it all got watered down......nothing to leave our children.




Here is an interview with the Superintendent...He keeps referring to Cody's "Safety"...

http://www.fox40.com/videobeta/74dc92b0-5969-4a9e-88ff-d708569bd6d5/News/Fl ag-Removed-Interview-with-school-Superintendent

 

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  posted on 11/12/2010 at 10:58 PM
I hope the parents in Turlock sue the school district there due to their kids getting short changed by ineffective leadership.

 

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  posted on 11/13/2010 at 03:07 PM
This is complete bull$hit!!!!! If that were my kid I would teach him a good lesson about defiance and tell him to leave the flag exactly where it is and refuse to take it down. The school principal could take it up with me after that if they had a problem. I'd bet that school has an American flag flying in front of it.

I hope some parent group there band together and buy American flags for all of their children's bikes and send them to school with them!!! Geeesh!!!

 

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  posted on 11/13/2010 at 03:12 PM
What crap, and here I though the brainwashing was just in Colleges. Sad day.

 

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I hope the parents in Turlock sue the school district there due to their kids getting short changed by ineffective leadership.

Great...then we can not only further political correctness, but litigiousness as well.
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I hope some parent group there band together and buy American flags for all of their children's bikes and send them to school with them!!! Geeesh!!!

Excellent idea.

 

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  posted on 11/13/2010 at 05:20 PM
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I'd bet that school has an American flag flying in front of it.


Yes it does. The person who shot the video for FOX40 that appears in my post above made sure the U.S. Flag was in the intro..

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I hope some parent group there band together and buy American flags for all of their children's bikes and send them to school with them!!! Geeesh!!!


Awesome idea!...Grass roots baby!!!

 

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  posted on 11/13/2010 at 05:24 PM
Click on the link I posted to take you to the town's site.....you'll find addresses where to send them.

 

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  posted on 11/13/2010 at 05:24 PM
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http://www.turlockjournal.com/news/article/6603/

Denair student can fly American flag once again




By Maegan Martens
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209-634-9141, ext. 2015

POSTED Nov. 12, 2010 10:43 p.m.


Two months ago when 13-year-old Cody Alicea decided to unfurl an American flag and let it flutter in the wind behind his bike, he had no idea he would unleash a touchstone of conversation that would have tongues wagging across the nation. He just thought he was getting into the spirit for an upcoming school trip to Washington, D.C.

Alicea’s display of American pride was cut short when he was asked to remove the American flag from his bike on Monday by a Denair Middle School campus supervisor because it might be creating “racial tension” and there were concerns for his safety.

“A school employee said some students have been complaining about my flag and I needed to take it down,” Alicea said. “So I took it down. I was kind of mad and upset because I have been flying it for two months and all of a sudden its Veterans week and it’s a problem.”

The Denair Unified School District backed up the campus supervisor’s decision, in part because they had previously made other students stop displaying the flag of Mexico on Cinco de Mayo.

However, after an outcry was raised locally and from afar, the district reversed that call on Friday, once again allowing Alicea to fly Old Glory.

The family said they have not heard about the district’s decision to change course from any school officials, but rather through word of mouth.

“It was the newsmen who told me they lifted the ban,” Alicea said.

The ban of the American flag has spurred up national coverage, raised questions about first amendment rights and brought forth conversations about racial sensitivity. The family has been contacted with words of encouragement by troops in Afghanistan, the president of Turkey, Rep. elect Jeff Denham, and community members, and has been deluged by news and radio stations, newspapers and magazines from all over the country.

“I don’t mind it, but when they have cameras in your face, it’s kinda hard to sit down for five minutes and breathe,” a tired Alicea said.

Calls to the Denair Unified School District were not returned by press time, but DUSD Superintendent Ed Parraz stated in a live broadcast on Fox40 News on Friday that the decision to order Alicea to remove the flag from his bike “was based on some information that she (the campus supervisor) heard that the students were complaining about some racial tensions and basically some concerns about safety.”

Alicea did not hear any comments made by the students who allegedly complained and he never felt like his personal safety was at stake, he said.

“I never have felt threatened or scared while flying the flag,” Alicea said.

According to Fox40 News, Parraz said the safety concerns sprouted from issues that started from Cinco de Mayo incidents this year.

“That’s when it all kind of started, and I think it carried through so that when Cody started doing his flag everybody said ‘well, why isn’t he getting in trouble?’” Parraz said.

Parraz told KCRA 3 News “our Hispanic, you know, kids will, you know, bring their Mexican flags and they’ll display it, and then of course the kids would do the American flag situation, and it does cause kind of a racial tension which we don’t really want. We want them to appreciate the cultures.”

If there was a safety concern, Kisner said that the school or district should have contacted his family.

“We didn’t hear a word from the school,” he said. “They should have approached us if there was indeed a valid threat. They also should have approached the families of the children making the threats.”

Alicea does recall students at Denair High School yelling to him while he rode to school with his American flag in tow, but he couldn’t make out what they were saying because it was in Spanish, he said.

While this may be the first American flag flap for Alicea, it isn’t for his step father and older step brother, who attends Denair High School.

On Cinco de Mayo this year, the older brother was asked to remove his American flag from his vehicle and he refused, said Robert Kisner, Alicea’s step-father. Kisner was asked to come to the school to ask his son to remove the flag, of which he did. All flags were asked to be removed, not just the American flag.

“They made everyone take down their flag and there was no favoritism,” Kisner said. “But it wasn’t the right thing to make anyone take their flags down.”

From that moment on, Kisner knew asking his older son to remove his flag wasn’t the right thing to do. Alicea’s incident at school was the last straw for Kisner and he said he was glad he had the opportunity to make up for his mistake.

“This is all about Cody,” he said. “I stuck up for him. I was pissed off because we have people in other countries dying for what we have today and for them to take his rights away and give them to someone else, you know?”

Alicea just wants to fly his flag again and plans to keep his American spirit going.

“He is going to fly his flag any day he wants to and if they have a problem, they can see us in court,” Kisner said.

Community members will parade with Alicea to school on Monday, sporting their red, white and blue. They will start at 7:15 a.m. at the Denair Market at 4330 Main St.

The Denair Unified School District board of trustees will hold an emergency board meeting at 2 p.m. Sunday to discuss the turmoil kicked up over the flags. The meeting will be at the DUSD leadership/board room located at 3460 Lester Road in Denair.

Alicea was donning the flag in part to keep him motivated for a fund raising goal of $2,800 to pay for an upcoming school trip to the nation’s capital.


 

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  posted on 11/13/2010 at 05:35 PM
Hmmm. In all the previous Supreme Court decisions regarding student rights of free speech, the flag hasn't come up yet. Peace signs, school newspapers and a sign reading "Bong Hits For Jesus," yes, the flag, no.

The core decision is Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (1969). Two students wore armbands with peace signs and such armbands were banned by the school district, after going all the way to the Supremem Court the Court voted 7-2 in favor of the kids, issuing the now famous line, "It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate."

However, decisions after that softened Tinker somewhat. Hazelwood v. Kuhlmeier ruled that free speech rights do not extend to student newspapers. Morse v. Frederick ruled that administrators have the right to curtail speech that supports illegal drug use (The "Bong Hits" sign case). On the other hand, Gillman v. Holmes County School District ruled that GLBT students had a right to express their sexuality by wiring the letters "GP" (Gay Pride) on their clothing.

Ian all such decisions, the Court uses guidelines set by Tinker, the most important being level of disruption, then offensiveness, and imparing the basic educational mission. I'm guessing if pushed, administrators would say that they infringed on the right to display the flag because the flag was causing disruption. Interesting to see where this goes.

 

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  posted on 11/13/2010 at 05:52 PM
I'm about as liberal as they come....no surprise here....but if flying the flag of our country is a 'disruption' among Hispanic....or students of any other nationality....then too bad. This is our country and it can be their country but they damn sure can't tell us when or where to fly the flag. They don't like it.....get out. And thumbs down to the nitwits in charge who think otherwise.

 

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