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  posted on 8/28/2010 at 08:01 AM
First they claimed Obama was a socialist. Then he handed health care over to the capitalist insurance companies. Then they claimed the BP oil spill was a staged event by environmentalists to allow Obama to get carbon taxes through the senate! Now Obama has not said a word about carbon taxes and the subject has failed in congress. But they will go on seeing commie conspiracies behind every event, no matter how clear it becomes that Obama is a Wall St. puppet. Its getting too late in the game for the right to continue to believe the propaganda they received in their developing years. Its time to face the reality that uncontrolled capitalism, not socialism, is our common enemy.
 
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  posted on 8/28/2010 at 08:36 AM
Capitalism: 8 slices in a pizza right? Oxycontin afficianato Rush Limbaugh gets 7 slices and we all get the 8th slice.

 

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  posted on 8/28/2010 at 09:06 AM
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First they claimed Obama was a socialist. Then he handed health care over to the capitalist insurance companies. Then they claimed the BP oil spill was a staged event by environmentalists to allow Obama to get carbon taxes through the senate! Now Obama has not said a word about carbon taxes and the subject has failed in congress. But they will go on seeing commie conspiracies behind every event, no matter how clear it becomes that Obama is a Wall St. puppet. Its getting too late in the game for the right to continue to believe the propaganda they received in their developing years. Its time to face the reality that uncontrolled capitalism, not socialism, is our common enemy.


And dont forget the idiots that were after his birth certificate are now after his baptism certificate.

 

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  posted on 8/28/2010 at 12:07 PM
they won't really be happy unless something awful happens to Obama. It's too scary to them to have a black man in the white house. that's why the right wing talking heads keep talking about he's an "other" - not-too-veiled code speech for not a white guy.
 

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  posted on 8/28/2010 at 01:34 PM
You're correct....but don't expect the people who are doing so to recognize their bigotry.

 

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  posted on 8/28/2010 at 02:35 PM
I actually think this is the Wall Street Puppet. I've seen him at a few cocktail parties downtown.

 

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  posted on 8/28/2010 at 03:01 PM
So, let me get this right - you trash the Right and I guess blame them for the fact that you are trashing Obama, and then all Dudley Wallflower gets out if it is something about birth certificates, and then you end with the plea that socialism is not our enemy??

This is truly the Golden Age.

 

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  posted on 8/28/2010 at 03:07 PM
You really don't understand what you read very well do you?

 

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  posted on 8/28/2010 at 09:02 PM
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they won't really be happy unless something awful happens to Obama. It's too scary to them to have a black man in the white house. that's why the right wing talking heads keep talking about he's an "other" - not-too-veiled code speech for not a white guy.


If the man in the White House was a Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, or JC Watts you would quickly realize that this theory of yours is utter BS.

 

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  posted on 8/28/2010 at 09:41 PM
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they won't really be happy unless something awful happens to Obama. It's too scary to them to have a black man in the white house. that's why the right wing talking heads keep talking about he's an "other" - not-too-veiled code speech for not a white guy.


If the man in the White House was a Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, or JC Watts you would quickly realize that this theory of yours is utter BS.


You got that right. But since all the guys you mentioned are (OMG!!) conservatives, their politics don't matter, it does not fit the narrative. Thomas Sowell in particular lays things out clearly enough that Stevie Wonder could see them. Some folks simply choose not to agree, that's their right.

 

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  posted on 8/29/2010 at 01:46 AM
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they won't really be happy unless something awful happens to Obama. It's too scary to them to have a black man in the white house. that's why the right wing talking heads keep talking about he's an "other" - not-too-veiled code speech for not a white guy.


If the man in the White House was a Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, or JC Watts you would quickly realize that this theory of yours is utter BS.


Bullsh*t. Half the country doesn't even vote. There are millions of Americans who never turn on the news, don't know who their mayor, governor, or congressmen are, and who wouldn't know Walter Williams from Vanessa Williams, and would still freak out over a black man in the White House, no matter who it was. Just because you don't know that doesn't mean it isn't the truth.

 

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  posted on 8/29/2010 at 01:46 AM
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Perfect! I might use that for a sig.

 

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  posted on 8/29/2010 at 06:13 PM
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they won't really be happy unless something awful happens to Obama. It's too scary to them to have a black man in the white house. that's why the right wing talking heads keep talking about he's an "other" - not-too-veiled code speech for not a white guy.


If the man in the White House was a Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, or JC Watts you would quickly realize that this theory of yours is utter BS.


This is the part that is consistently ignored. I have yet to see an answer to this.

 

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they won't really be happy unless something awful happens to Obama. It's too scary to them to have a black man in the white house. that's why the right wing talking heads keep talking about he's an "other" - not-too-veiled code speech for not a white guy.


If the man in the White House was a Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, or JC Watts you would quickly realize that this theory of yours is utter BS.


Bullsh*t. Half the country doesn't even vote. There are millions of Americans who never turn on the news, don't know who their mayor, governor, or congressmen are, and who wouldn't know Walter Williams from Vanessa Williams, and would still freak out over a black man in the White House, no matter who it was. Just because you don't know that doesn't mean it isn't the truth.


How do you know it? Have you spoken to these millions? Or just a small sampling of them. Just out of curiosity since you regularly attack the opinions of others as not being based on real world experience.

One other question. There are somewhere around 360 million American citizens. Of those what percentage do you honestly believe fit the description you give above?

 

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  posted on 8/29/2010 at 06:23 PM
Maybe the right is correct in saying Obama's race has nothing to do with their actions. Perhaps they're just mean as a stripped snake and their goal is to destroy any democrat who was in the white house. Either way it's not a very good way to conduct the country's business......oh wait.....they're not.

 

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  posted on 8/29/2010 at 06:48 PM
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Perhaps they're just mean as a stripped snake and their goal is to destroy any democrat who was in the white house.


This. ^

 

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  posted on 8/29/2010 at 06:58 PM
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they won't really be happy unless something awful happens to Obama. It's too scary to them to have a black man in the white house. that's why the right wing talking heads keep talking about he's an "other" - not-too-veiled code speech for not a white guy.


If the man in the White House was a Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, or JC Watts you would quickly realize that this theory of yours is utter BS.


This is the part that is consistently ignored. I have yet to see an answer to this.


How can you answer that? It is unanswerable. But explain how they can call him a Muslim based on his name. How can they say he isn't American because his father was from Kenya. Explain how a guy born in Hawaii was called a foreigner while his opponent was born in the Panama Canal Zone and his citizenship was never questioned.

You can only discuss what is happening, not what might have happened if things were different. Nobody knows what would have happened if those other guys were in the White House.


The people that are saying those things are idiots obviously. Now how about an answer as to how the right is racist if they would support conservative black candidates?

 

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I honestly don't believe that the majority on the right hate Obama because he's black, although I believe that a significant number of people do (maybe 15-20%), but I do believe that large percentage never gave him a fair chance do to his Muslim name and all the ridiculous email/misinformation that goes around. If he had the exact same policies and was named John Smith he would have gotten a more fair shake then he got, even being black. I respect criticism of Obama based on policy, but with all the "Obama isn't American" and "Obama's a socialist" junk that goes around, it's really hard to have reasonable discussions with right wingers these days. I honestly would have hoped that most American's would have been able to look past all of the junk, but I can tell you from many people I know that some people don't like him because they think he's a Muslim, or that they believe he "pals around with terrorists," or that death panels are on their way. Realistically, probably 70-80% of these people would dislike him anyway just because he's a democrat and they are looking for an excuse by making everything extra dramatic, but it all does make the right seem nutty.
 

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they won't really be happy unless something awful happens to Obama. It's too scary to them to have a black man in the white house. that's why the right wing talking heads keep talking about he's an "other" - not-too-veiled code speech for not a white guy.


If the man in the White House was a Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, or JC Watts you would quickly realize that this theory of yours is utter BS.


This is the part that is consistently ignored. I have yet to see an answer to this.


How can you answer that? It is unanswerable. But explain how they can call him a Muslim based on his name. How can they say he isn't American because his father was from Kenya. Explain how a guy born in Hawaii was called a foreigner while his opponent was born in the Panama Canal Zone and his citizenship was never questioned.

You can only discuss what is happening, not what might have happened if things were different. Nobody knows what would have happened if those other guys were in the White House.


The people that are saying those things are idiots obviously. Now how about an answer as to how the right is racist if they would support conservative black candidates?


That's the right's dirtiest trick. They're so dishonest they'd probably say they love him. That people like Clarance Thomas are able to live with themselves is a sad commentary on the human condition.

 

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I honestly don't believe that the majority on the right hate Obama because he's black, although I believe that a significant number of people do (maybe 15-20%), but I do believe that large percentage never gave him a fair chance do to his Muslim name and all the ridiculous email/misinformation that goes around. If he had the exact same policies and was named John Smith he would have gotten a more fair shake then he got, even being black. I respect criticism of Obama based on policy, but with all the "Obama isn't American" and "Obama's a socialist" junk that goes around, it's really hard to have reasonable discussions with right wingers these days. I honestly would have hoped that most American's would have been able to look past all of the junk, but I can tell you from many people I know that some people don't like him because they think he's a Muslim, or that they believe he "pals around with terrorists," or that death panels are on their way. Realistically, probably 70-80% of these people would dislike him anyway just because he's a democrat and they are looking for an excuse by making everything extra dramatic, but it all does make the right seem nutty.


I know a lot of conservatives who think that stuff is ridiculous. I think it is an excuse to ignore the issues to just attack the entire opposition as somehow tainted because of some wackos. I doubt it is as high as you say. I do believe that Rush, Beck and all the others would be four square behind any black candidate that shared their conservative views. In fact I am certain of it.

 

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they won't really be happy unless something awful happens to Obama. It's too scary to them to have a black man in the white house. that's why the right wing talking heads keep talking about he's an "other" - not-too-veiled code speech for not a white guy.


If the man in the White House was a Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, or JC Watts you would quickly realize that this theory of yours is utter BS.


This is the part that is consistently ignored. I have yet to see an answer to this.


How can you answer that? It is unanswerable. But explain how they can call him a Muslim based on his name. How can they say he isn't American because his father was from Kenya. Explain how a guy born in Hawaii was called a foreigner while his opponent was born in the Panama Canal Zone and his citizenship was never questioned.

You can only discuss what is happening, not what might have happened if things were different. Nobody knows what would have happened if those other guys were in the White House.


The people that are saying those things are idiots obviously. Now how about an answer as to how the right is racist if they would support conservative black candidates?


That's the right's dirtiest trick. They're so dishonest they'd probably say they love him. That people like Clarance Thomas are able to live with themselves is a sad commentary on the human condition.


This actually makes no sense whatsoever.

 

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they won't really be happy unless something awful happens to Obama. It's too scary to them to have a black man in the white house. that's why the right wing talking heads keep talking about he's an "other" - not-too-veiled code speech for not a white guy.


If the man in the White House was a Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, or JC Watts you would quickly realize that this theory of yours is utter BS.


This is the part that is consistently ignored. I have yet to see an answer to this.


How can you answer that? It is unanswerable. But explain how they can call him a Muslim based on his name. How can they say he isn't American because his father was from Kenya. Explain how a guy born in Hawaii was called a foreigner while his opponent was born in the Panama Canal Zone and his citizenship was never questioned.

You can only discuss what is happening, not what might have happened if things were different. Nobody knows what would have happened if those other guys were in the White House.


The people that are saying those things are idiots obviously. Now how about an answer as to how the right is racist if they would support conservative black candidates?


Let's see a black Republican run for President and we'll see how it goes. Once again, who can answer that?


Well we have seen many black Republican candidates run for various offices supported by major conservatives. Clarence Thomas has always been supported by the right. No reason at all to assume they would not support a presidential candidate unless you truly believe they are pure racists.

What would be interesting to me is if you had a mainstream black Republican nominated how would black Democrats vote in the general election. I have always felt that to the extent you can say anything about a group that black voters are a loyal group of democrats not because they are so liberal (many are not especially on social issues) or because they want welfare (I have never thought this) but because they think the Republican party doesn't care about them or is racist etc. If a serious black Republican were nominated what percentage of black Democrats would cross over? Jews have already shown they will not automatically vote for a Jewish candidate. Just by way of example in 1982 Democrat Mario Cuomo easily one the Jewish vote over Jewish Republican Lew Lehrman.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2010 at 10:15 AM
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Let's see a black Republican run for President and we'll see how it goes.


Perhaps not President, but Clarence Thomas was certainly dragged through the mud. Racist lefties.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2010 at 10:20 AM
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We are talking about elections. We don't vote for the Supreme Court.


I thought we were talking about nuttiness in general.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2010 at 10:25 AM
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Let's see a black Republican run for President and we'll see how it goes. Once again, who can answer that?


Why not just put up the best person regardless of color? What does color have to do with anything? I guess that begs the question, was McCain the best person for the Republicans? Ugh, that is sad if he was. I am actually constantly underwhelmed by the choices either side puts out year after year. In a country of several hundred million, these are the best people we can find? I guess everyone smart enough to be President is smart enough not to run for President.

 
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