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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 01:04 PM
Maybe this will work better.

Is anyone here afraid of dying? The aftermath?

It isn't about old-timers. I'm 61, and my contemporaries are slowly going. But I had a high-school classmate who died of leukemia when he was less than 21. We all know of children and infants who've died. One of my best friends had a miscarriage, and the photo of her stillborn son still haunts me. Death has nothing to do with age.

I'm positive that Christian teachings about life and death are accurate. Yet I still wonder,"What if I'm wrong?". But they're based on translations of translations of translations.... Even now, the most serious scholars and commentators don't agree on everything.

I choose Christianity because I think it reflects human nature the most accurately, it has tons of reliable documents as evidence, and I've had a couple of experiences that I can't explain without bringing in a supernatural, omniscient God. I've had, or witnessed, specific prayers being answered in ways that again bring in God.

I believe that when I die I'll immediately be in His presence. As I said before, I'd rather it be painless, etc.

And that's all.

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No fear whatsoever. I'm convinced by the daily occurrences in my own life that we are souls who will live forever. This is not our home. We choose these human lifetimes willfully, and live many, many of them. No one judges us at the end of one of these lives. We go Home, where we came from. When it is appropriate, we will examine this life, determine where we could have done things differently with better outcomes, and eventually start planning our next trip to the physical realm.

I know I'm going to leave this human body at the exact instant, and by the precise method, that i chose before I ever came here. Nothing I can do in this life will change that, unless I decide to commit suicide. I don't think anyone comes into the physical realm planning to end it prematurely. I believe I'm going to live a very long life, and in fact, I believe my best work is still ahead of me, and I'm not even sure yet what field it will be in. But fear of going Home? I can hardly wait to go Home. l

 

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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 01:23 PM
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No fear whatsoever. I'm convinced by the daily occurrences in my own life that we are souls who will live forever. This is not our home. We choose these human lifetimes willfully, and live many, many of them. No one judges us at the end of one of these lives. We go Home, where we came from. When it is appropriate, we will examine this life, determine where we could have done things differently with better outcomes, and eventually start planning our next trip to the physical realm.

I know I'm going to leave this human body at the exact instant, and by the precise method, that i chose before I ever came here. Nothing I can do in this life will change that, unless I decide to commit suicide. I don't think anyone comes into the physical realm planning to end it prematurely. I believe I'm going to live a very long life, and in fact, I believe my best work is still ahead of me, and I'm not even sure yet what field it will be in. But fear of going Home? I can hardly wait to go Home. l



So, in other words, before Hitler came to earth he chose to start a war that would kill 50 million people and wanted to commit genocide and slaughter 6 million to see what it was like to do so? How do you know this for a fact?

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There's no such thing as Judgment Day. The people who wrote down the Hebrew mythology made that up. There will be no scribes, no books, no questions. We judge each other enough here. God will only love you, He will never judge you.





You label other belief systems 'myths' and such -What are the origins of your 'facts?' Are there books that you get these 'facts' from? Are there teachers and spiritual guides that you get these 'facts' from? Why aren't your 'facts' a myth as well? Where is your proof?




[Edited on 7/24/2010 by DerekFromCincinnati]

 

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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 01:27 PM
I'm not scared of dying and I don't really care. If it's peace you find in dying well then let the time be near.

 

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No fear whatsoever. I'm convinced by the daily occurrences in my own life that we are souls who will live forever. This is not our home. We choose these human lifetimes willfully, and live many, many of them. No one judges us at the end of one of these lives. We go Home, where we came from. When it is appropriate, we will examine this life, determine where we could have done things differently with better outcomes, and eventually start planning our next trip to the physical realm.

I know I'm going to leave this human body at the exact instant, and by the precise method, that i chose before I ever came here. Nothing I can do in this life will change that, unless I decide to commit suicide. I don't think anyone comes into the physical realm planning to end it prematurely. I believe I'm going to live a very long life, and in fact, I believe my best work is still ahead of me, and I'm not even sure yet what field it will be in. But fear of going Home? I can hardly wait to go Home. l



So, in other words, before Hitler came to earth he chose to start a war that would kill 50 million people and wanted to commit genocide and slaughter 6 million to see what it was like to do so? How do you know this for a fact?

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There's no such thing as Judgment Day. The people who wrote down the Hebrew mythology made that up. There will be no scribes, no books, no questions. We judge each other enough here. God will only love you, He will never judge you.





You label other belief systems 'myths' and such -What are the origins of your 'facts?' Are there books that you get these 'facts' from? Are there teachers and spiritual guides that you get these 'facts' from? Why aren't your 'facts' a myth as well? Where is your proof?




[Edited on 7/24/2010 by DerekFromCincinnati]


I was going to ask that exact question. I was planning on phrasing it a little differently, but the question is still the same.


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No fear whatsoever. I'm convinced by the daily occurrences in my own life that we are souls who will live forever. This is not our home. We choose these human lifetimes willfully, and live many, many of them. No one judges us at the end of one of these lives. We go Home, where we came from. When it is appropriate, we will examine this life, determine where we could have done things differently with better outcomes, and eventually start planning our next trip to the physical realm.

I know I'm going to leave this human body at the exact instant, and by the precise method, that i chose before I ever came here. Nothing I can do in this life will change that, unless I decide to commit suicide. I don't think anyone comes into the physical realm planning to end it prematurely. I believe I'm going to live a very long life, and in fact, I believe my best work is still ahead of me, and I'm not even sure yet what field it will be in. But fear of going Home? I can hardly wait to go Home. l



So, in other words, before Hitler came to earth he chose to start a war that would kill 50 million people and wanted to commit genocide and slaughter 6 million to see what it was like to do so? How do you know this for a fact?

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There's no such thing as Judgment Day. The people who wrote down the Hebrew mythology made that up. There will be no scribes, no books, no questions. We judge each other enough here. God will only love you, He will never judge you.





You label other belief systems 'myths' and such -What are the origins of your 'facts?' Are there books that you get these 'facts' from? Are there teachers and spiritual guides that you get these 'facts' from? Why aren't your 'facts' a myth as well? Where is your proof?




[Edited on 7/24/2010 by DerekFromCincinnati]


You're an idiot. Figure it out for yourself. What about you, Fletch, are you afraid of dying, or are you still afraid of living?

 

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There's no such thing as Judgment Day. The people who wrote down the Hebrew mythology made that up. There will be no scribes, no books, no questions. We judge each other enough here. God will only love you, He will never judge you.



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You label other belief systems 'myths' and such -What are the origins of your 'facts?' Are there books that you get these 'facts' from? Are there teachers and spiritual guides that you get these 'facts' from? Why aren't your 'facts' a myth as well? Where is your proof?




[Edited on 7/24/2010 by DerekFromCincinnati]
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I was going to ask that exact question. I was planning on phrasing it a little differently, but the question is still the same.


Mike





From the weak duck of a response, obviously the questions are spot on and clear as a plate glass window. There's your sign.

 

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I'm not afraid of dying. I admit, I'm probably a little interested in how I'm going to get off this amusement park ride, but I have no doubt this is not our 'home.' It's one very strange vacation in the eternity of our soul and when we return from whence we came, we'll keep on keeping on.

 

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There's no such thing as Judgment Day. The people who wrote down the Hebrew mythology made that up. There will be no scribes, no books, no questions. We judge each other enough here. God will only love you, He will never judge you.



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You label other belief systems 'myths' and such -What are the origins of your 'facts?' Are there books that you get these 'facts' from? Are there teachers and spiritual guides that you get these 'facts' from? Why aren't your 'facts' a myth as well? Where is your proof?




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I was going to ask that exact question. I was planning on phrasing it a little differently, but the question is still the same.


Mike





From the weak duck of a response, obviously the questions are spot on and clear as a plate glass window. There's your sign.


Fletch, I have conversations with people all the time, and tell them what I belief, and the basis for it. But those are people who are truly interested in hearing what I have learned. You aren't. You an internet punk who asks people questions so he can try to pick apart their words in an effort to prove he is smarter, more experienced, more enlightened, more hip, more everything than they are. I don't understand the weird need, but I'm not part of your game. I point out how f*cked up you are. The rest is all yours.

Please tell us what went terribly wrong with your master plan and all the secrets you enjoy on the evening a few years ago when you were arrested for stealing beer. This doesn't sound like a person who has any special "secrets," or who has even figured out how to function in society.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2010 at 10:36 AM
EDIT: Got off on a stupid Derek tangent. Sorry Bill...

[Edited on 7/25/2010 by SquatchTexas]

 

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I'm not afraid....after losing my mother last year and getting a last visit with her body before cremation, it really hit me that its your soul and your spirit that matters ... the body is just a vessel that eventually goes away.


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Maybe this will work better.

Is anyone here afraid of dying? The aftermath?

It isn't about old-timers. I'm 61, and my contemporaries are slowly going. But I had a high-school classmate who died of leukemia when he was less than 21. We all know of children and infants who've died. One of my best friends had a miscarriage, and the photo of her stillborn son still haunts me. Death has nothing to do with age.

I'm positive that Christian teachings about life and death are accurate. Yet I still wonder,"What if I'm wrong?". But they're based on translations of translations of translations.... Even now, the most serious scholars and commentators don't agree on everything.

I choose Christianity because I think it reflects human nature the most accurately, it has tons of reliable documents as evidence, and I've had a couple of experiences that I can't explain without bringing in a supernatural, omniscient God. I've had, or witnessed, specific prayers being answered in ways that again bring in God.

I believe that when I die I'll immediately be in His presence. As I said before, I'd rather it be painless, etc.

And that's all.

Billastro


I'm not afraid of dying and ditto on "I'd rather it be painless".



 

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As Woody Allen put it best:

“I am not afraid of death, I just don't want to be there when it happens.”

 

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SCB....

I was genuinely interested on your take on the issue when I voice the question. I have heard you voice your concerns about organized religions and your views on these things; but the context of this thread provided a great opportunity to ask the question.

I don't steel beer, I live with my wife and our pets, and I have what I believe is a pretty well-respected reputation around here. So, do you base your system of beliefs on some type of organized religion? If not, is it your own interpretation of faith based on life experiences?


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I just don't really think about it so much. I came from a very huge extended family and I've been to so many funerals that I just have accepted that my time will come and when it does I have no say. I just turned 53 yesterday so I'm one day closer to finding out what's on the other side. But for the mean time...I'm gonna just ride it out the best I can and hope for the best...

If what they say is true then I will get to be with all those people again for eternity...and the ones that follow me.....sounds like a good deal....

Can we bargain for 72 virgins......Opps...different religion....hey I tried OK

 

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SCB....

I was genuinely interested on your take on the issue when I voice the question. I have heard you voice your concerns about organized religions and your views on these things; but the context of this thread provided a great opportunity to ask the question.

I don't steel beer, I live with my wife and our pets, and I have what I believe is a pretty well-respected reputation around here. So, do you base your system of beliefs on some type of organized religion? If not, is it your own interpretation of faith based on life experiences?


Mike


Sorry for ignoring your post, Mike. I intended to get back to it. I spent a good part of my life in the Baptist church, and got a good basic understanding of the Bible from that upbringing. Then I have a "spiritual awakening" in 1992 that first led me back to the Baptist church where I spent about 7 years as a regular participant, even going on 3 "mission" trips to Mexico, and one to Venezuela. The more I prayed and sought God, the more convinced I became that the Bible was written by men, and in many, many cases is not an accurate reflection of God at all. An old Bountry baptist preacher who also taught my New Testament class at Mercer University helped with that as well. I began reading all kinds of books about spirituality, metaphysics, etc, and found that almost all of them were saying the same thing. There are lots of good books I can recommend if you are truly interested, but I honestly don't think it will be worth your time unless you are truly looking for answers, rather than just being curious.

But I can tell you that a book as simple and seemingly fiction as The Celestine Prophecy contains a great deal of truth, which I see occur in my daily life. So I would say that I got a lot of my beliefs from books and conversations originally, and have since seen them proven to be true in my daily life.

 

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SCB....

I was genuinely interested on your take on the issue when I voice the question. I have heard you voice your concerns about organized religions and your views on these things; but the context of this thread provided a great opportunity to ask the question.

I don't steel beer, I live with my wife and our pets, and I have what I believe is a pretty well-respected reputation around here. So, do you base your system of beliefs on some type of organized religion? If not, is it your own interpretation of faith based on life experiences?


Mike


Sorry for ignoring your post, Mike. I intended to get back to it. I spent a good part of my life in the Baptist church, and got a good basic understanding of the Bible from that upbringing. Then I have a "spiritual awakening" in 1992 that first led me back to the Baptist church where I spent about 7 years as a regular participant, even going on 3 "mission" trips to Mexico, and one to Venezuela. The more I prayed and sought God, the more convinced I became that the Bible was written by men, and in many, many cases is not an accurate reflection of God at all. An old Bountry baptist preacher who also taught my New Testament class at Mercer University helped with that as well. I began reading all kinds of books about spirituality, metaphysics, etc, and found that almost all of them were saying the same thing. There are lots of good books I can recommend if you are truly interested, but I honestly don't think it will be worth your time unless you are truly looking for answers, rather than just being curious.

But I can tell you that a book as simple and seemingly fiction as The Celestine Prophecy contains a great deal of truth, which I see occur in my daily life. So I would say that I got a lot of my beliefs from books and conversations originally, and have since seen them proven to be true in my daily life.





I was also moved by the Celestine Prophecy SCB, I'll have to go back and give it another read.

 

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dutch, I'm not putting that one up as one that has influenced me, as the Know It All from Ohio will rip it to shreds if he thinks that is the case. I do like the emphasis the author puts on synchronicity, though, as it is clearly one of the ways we get messages from "God" all the time. That and the people that come into our lives with gifts for us, and to receive gifts from us.

I just read an interesting one entitled "Ledge of Quetzal," I believe, that is a novel based on one man's interpretation of the Mayan calender and what will occur in 2012. Pretty interesting, and another synchronicity story in the way I received it.

Two excellent books are Michael C. Newton's "Journey of Souls" and "Destiny of Souls."

 

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As Woody Allen put it best:

“I am not afraid of death, I just don't want to be there when it happens.”



He also famously said "I don't want to gain immortality through my work. I want to gain immortality by not dying."

 

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EDIT: Got off on a stupid Derek tangent. Sorry Bill...

[Edited on 7/25/2010 by SquatchTexas]



Yo, SquealBucket, I read your little bullsh*t. Didn't then, don't do it now and never have done it. I walked into my own stupidity and paid for it, and for the last time Dudley DorkStork, here is what happened;

http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&fid=127&tid=102137&page=3&orderdate=

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Fletch, I have conversations with people all the time, and tell them what I belief, and the basis for it. But those are people who are truly interested in hearing what I have learned. You aren't. You an internet punk who asks people questions so he can try to pick apart their words in an effort to prove he is smarter, more experienced, more enlightened, more hip, more everything than they are.


Actually, you are the one that rips other folk's belief systems on a regular basis and states that your FAKE psuedo-enlightenment is FACT, not opinion but 'fact.' Fortunately, I have studied religions, metaphysics and spirituality since I was a teenager and what you learn is that those like you who look in a mirror and see the words " ENLIGHTENED" and then who turns around and puts other belief systems down are easily seen through...... like a plate glass window. When that hilarity turns to putting other's and their belief systems down whileyou state as FACT that your beliefs are the Truth, and then on top of that you DUCK the same scrutiny of your own "Truth" that you put those other belief systems through - there's your sign.

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I began reading all kinds of books about spirituality, metaphysics, etc, and found that almost all of them were saying the same thing.


Hey, that's great. In light of the fact that you have stated as FACT that the Bible and other books are "myths" made up whole cloth, please prove that these books are not myths as well. Thanks.

Here's a rule of thumb - remember this - Sometimes narcissists who believe their own BS sometimes confuse it with "enlightenment." Which brings me to this example;

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There are lots of good books I can recommend if you are truly interested, but I honestly don't think it will be worth your time unless you are truly looking for answers, rather than just being curious.



Oh, thank you, Sri Empty Vessel. Maybe the most bullsh*t and condescending sentence I've ever read. Apparently he doesn't think you are up to his level of enlightenment, so stay away from those books for now........... What a joke.

What books might those be??

So you mention The Celestine Prophecy book, and then turn around and say, "I'm not putting that one up as one that has influenced me, as the Know It All from Ohio will rip it to shreds if he thinks that is the case." Got it. Briiliance.

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I just read an interesting one entitled "Ledge of Quetzal," I believe, that is a novel based on one man's interpretation of the Mayan calender and what will occur in 2012. Pretty interesting, and another synchronicity story in the way I received it.

Two excellent books are Michael C. Newton's "Journey of Souls" and "Destiny of Souls."


Why are those books not myths? Er, wait a minute...fiction? Prove that the source of the "knowledge" found in them is true.

The Mayan calender could portend events...or it might be where it simply resets the calender to Year Zero. What we need ahead of time is a thread with predictions for ther end of the Mayan calender by those who seem to be in the know.

Meanwhile, in light of, "The people who wrote down the Hebrew mythology made that up. There will be no scribes, no books, no questions."

And considering that you know for a FACT that before Hitler came to earth he chose to start a war that would kill 50 million people and wanted to commit genocide and slaughter 6 million just to see what it would be like,

You label other belief systems 'myths' and such -What are the origins of your 'facts?' What are there books that you get these 'facts' from? Are there teachers and spiritual guides that you get these 'facts' from? Why aren't your 'facts' a myth as well? Where is your proof?


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I find it intersting some people can say they hear voices from Satan and other people will believe them but if you mention you get messages from God they think you're crazy. I personally believe if you're still, you can hear God talk. And if you listen, there's no need to fear dying.

 

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"Christian, Jew, Muslim, shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the mystery, unique and not to be judged."- Rumi

 

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EDIT: Got off on a stupid Derek tangent. Sorry Bill...

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Yo, SquealBucket, I read your little bullsh*t. Didn't then, don't do it now and never have done it. I walked into my own stupidity and paid for it, and for the last time Dudley DorkStork, here is what happened;

http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&fid=127&tid=102137&page=3&orderdate=

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Fletch, I have conversations with people all the time, and tell them what I belief, and the basis for it. But those are people who are truly interested in hearing what I have learned. You aren't. You an internet punk who asks people questions so he can try to pick apart their words in an effort to prove he is smarter, more experienced, more enlightened, more hip, more everything than they are.


Actually, you are the one that rips other folk's belief systems on a regular basis and states that your FAKE psuedo-enlightenment is FACT, not opinion but 'fact.' Fortunately, I have studied religions, metaphysics and spirituality since I was a teenager and what you learn is that those like you who look in a mirror and see the words " ENLIGHTENED" and then who turns around and puts other belief systems down are easily seen through...... like a plate glass window. When that hilarity turns to putting other's and their belief systems down whileyou state as FACT that your beliefs are the Truth, and then on top of that you DUCK the same scrutiny of your own "Truth" that you put those other belief systems through - there's your sign.

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I began reading all kinds of books about spirituality, metaphysics, etc, and found that almost all of them were saying the same thing.


Hey, that's great. In light of the fact that you have stated as FACT that the Bible and other books are "myths" made up whole cloth, please prove that these books are not myths as well. Thanks.

Here's a rule of thumb - remember this - Sometimes narcissists who believe their own BS sometimes confuse it with "enlightenment." Which brings me to this example;

quote:
There are lots of good books I can recommend if you are truly interested, but I honestly don't think it will be worth your time unless you are truly looking for answers, rather than just being curious.



Oh, thank you, Sri Empty Vessel. Maybe the most bullsh*t and condescending sentence I've ever read. Apparently he doesn't think you are up to his level of enlightenment, so stay away from those books for now........... What a joke.

What books might those be??

So you mention The Celestine Prophecy book, and then turn around and say, "I'm not putting that one up as one that has influenced me, as the Know It All from Ohio will rip it to shreds if he thinks that is the case." Got it. Briiliance.

quote:
I just read an interesting one entitled "Ledge of Quetzal," I believe, that is a novel based on one man's interpretation of the Mayan calender and what will occur in 2012. Pretty interesting, and another synchronicity story in the way I received it.

Two excellent books are Michael C. Newton's "Journey of Souls" and "Destiny of Souls."


Why are those books not myths? Er, wait a minute...fiction? Prove that the source of the "knowledge" found in them is true.

The Mayan calender could portend events...or it might be where it simply resets the calender to Year Zero. What we need ahead of time is a thread with predictions for ther end of the Mayan calender by those who seem to be in the know.

Meanwhile, in light of, "The people who wrote down the Hebrew mythology made that up. There will be no scribes, no books, no questions."

And considering that you know for a FACT that before Hitler came to earth he chose to start a war that would kill 50 million people and wanted to commit genocide and slaughter 6 million just to see what it would be like,

You label other belief systems 'myths' and such -What are the origins of your 'facts?' What are there books that you get these 'facts' from? Are there teachers and spiritual guides that you get these 'facts' from? Why aren't your 'facts' a myth as well? Where is your proof?


Thanks.


My proof is in my life. When you get there, you'll know what I'm talking about. I doubt you'll achieve it in this lifetime, but maybe someday. In this one, you're so ignorant you don't know what you don't know. You aren't even an effective beer thief. That should be a minor parlor trick for someone with the background you claim. Jesus turned wine into water. You tried to steal beer and got caught by a little old lady. I rest my case.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2010 at 05:45 PM
Oh, and thanks, Fletch, for proving my point about why I don't respond to you. You think spirituality is something to argue about and "prove." I think it is a way of life.

 

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Oh, and thanks, Fletch, for proving my point about why I don't respond to you. You think spirituality is something to argue about and "prove." I think it is a way of life.



Nope. You think believing your own bullsh*t and ripping others who believe differently is a way of life.

You rip others while ducking the same scrutinty for your beliefs. And you're still ducking it. I don't blame you. You're an empty suit, as good as the latest book you've read. You got nothing. Fake enlightenment. Pure and simple. You've ducked it all, while still ripping other folk's belief systems as if your fake enlightenment is the Truth. What is it like to be seen through like a plate glass window?

 

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