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Charlie Rangel Will Face House Hearing on Possible Ethics Violations
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The House Committee on Standards and Official Conduct announced Thursday that a hearing will be conducted into allegations that Democratic Rep. Charlie Rangel filed improper financial disclosure reports and used his House position for personal financial gain.
The move signals that the investigation of Rangel, the veteran New York lawmaker, raised enough questions about his conduct that the committee staff believes he violated House rules.
In 2008, Rangel, 80, asked the committee to investigate him after numerous media reports raised questions about the congressman's tax filings. Until this year, Rangel was the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, the panel that writes tax law.
"At long last, sunshine has pierced through this cloud that has been over my head for more than two years," Rangel told The Washington Post, when asked about the panel's decision.
The next step in the process will begin on July 29, when members will announce the charges against Rangel, which are still confidential.
A subcommittee will hold a hearing that will feature staff attorneys making their case against Rangel based on their investigation. Rangel and his attorneys will present his case to the panel and both sides will be allowed to present evidence and call witnesses.
If the subcommittee determines that Rangel did violate House rules, a sentencing hearing will decide his punishment, which could range from a fine to censure, reprimand or expulsion. Either the full House or the Ethics Committee would vote on any punishment.
The House last held a formal hearing process for former Rep. James Traficant, who was eventually expelled from the chamber and sent to prison for racketeering.



Lets see how this plays out....


Democrats face unsavory choices in Rangel case

AP – Democratic Rep. Charles B. Rangel speaks to reporters during a news conference, Friday, July 23, 2010 …
By LARRY MARGASAK and LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writers – 1 hr 22 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Democrats nervously anticipating Rep. Charles Rangel's ethics trial know all about the media frenzy and negative ads accompanying election-season scandals. They generated it themselves in 2006, when Republican Rep. Mark Foley was forced to resign in disgrace.
Foley's misdeeds stemmed from his dealings with House pages and efforts by Republicans, then in the majority, to ignore and cover them up. Rangel's ethics charges raise questions about his management of money and taxes and his official role — and pose difficult choices for the party that won its majority in large part by vowing to run the most ethical Congress in history.
Rangel has long acknowledged that his ethics troubles had no upside for Democrats in difficult re-election bids. The good news, he said at a news conference Friday, was that perhaps the matter would soon end.
Not if Republicans, still feeling the decisive sting of the Foley scandal, can help it.
"Rangel announcement a reminder of Washington Democrats' 'Most Glaring Broken Promise,'" read the headline on a news release quoting House Republican Leader John Boehner.
Across the Capitol, Republicans in the Senate tried to get some mileage out of Rangel's difficulties with a briefing leading off with: "Dem Senate hopefuls stand by Charlie Rangel and his tainted cash."
That wasn't quite true. Rep. Brad Ellsworth, D-Ind., a candidate for the Senate, announced Friday he will donate past campaign contributions from Rangel to Indiana charities. His campaign received $12,000 from Rangel between 2005 and 2007, but Ellsworth said he has not received contributions for his Senate race.
For his part, Rangel vowed to fight the charges, starting with a public hearing on Thursday.
"I hope you do get some sort of satisfaction that this thing is coming to a head," Rangel told reporters.
That may or may not be a good thing for Rangel and the Democrats. There was an emphatic lack of meaningful comment from House Democratic leaders Friday, an indication that the way forward for the 40-year congressional veteran, beloved in many quarters, was unclear to just about everyone.
More clear was evidence that the stress of living day-to-day as a scandalized public figure had begun to weigh on the feisty, 80-year-old former Ways and Means Committee chairman.
Shortly after the ethics committee announced what amounted to an indictment on unspecified charges Thursday, Rangel snapped at a reporter for asking the "dumb" question of whether his job was in jeopardy.
He apologized Friday and convened a news conference to give reporters who had been hounding him everywhere he went a chance to ask any questions they wanted. But there would not be many answers, Rangel said, several times describing his situation as "awkward."
"My lawyers would kill me because they say the best thing in my best interests is not to make any comment," Rangel said during a news conference in New York. "I don't know how to say no comment."
Was he relishing the fight, he was asked?
"Hell no," he replied.
On Capitol Hill Friday, several knowledgeable Democrats said any strategic planning had effectively been placed on hold until it became clear whether Rangel could avoid a public trial by striking a deal — or resigning.
Absent that, the choices for Democratic leaders were stark:
Option one: Urge him to cut the proceedings short by admitting guilt to some charges and/or resigning from the House. This would kick up a storm of unrest especially from the Congressional Black Caucus, which Rangel helped found.
Option two: Sit back and watch the New York Democrat's trial unfold, hope that voters aren't as incensed by Rangel's fundraising practices and his failure to pay taxes as they were over Foley's come-ons to former male pages. And get some defense ready for the Republican charges of hypocrisy and failure to "drain the swamp" of corruption as Democrats vowed four years ago.
At the very least, majority Democrats are getting a taste of what it's like to manage a transcendent scandal in the shadow of an election.
Four years ago, then-Speaker Dennis Hastert and other top Republicans were besieged daily by reporters demanding to know why Foley's conduct was allowed to go on for years.
Then, it was Democrats running the negative ads. And, while all the Republicans wanted Foley to quit, his resignation didn't stop the bleeding. The cover up became the story. Then came the election. Republicans lost the House.



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  posted on 7/22/2010 at 08:56 PM

OMG! A crooked politician? Say it ain't so!

 

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  posted on 7/23/2010 at 08:30 PM
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  posted on 7/23/2010 at 11:49 PM
I think Chuck is innocent and the whole thing wreaks of racism by the Democratic-led congress.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 09:56 AM
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I think Chuck is innocent and the whole thing wreaks of racism by the Democratic-led congress.


So maybe thats why you are a Democrat now?

 

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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 10:08 AM
He ain't gonna make it easy for them. 80 years old and he's going to fight it to the hilt rather than resign.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 10:18 AM
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He ain't gonna make it easy for them. 80 years old and he's going to fight it to the hilt rather than resign.


Yeah, because being accused of something (at least as a Democrat apparently) means you should resign regardless of what the actual truth of the matter might be.

So, youre saying Rangel shouldnt defend himself if he believes he is innocent, just resign?

BTW, if he is found guilty, punish him to the fullest extent of the rules of the House or he should resign, whichever is appropriate for his actions. Of course though, this is more about getting a long term Democrat into the crosshairs than it is about anything as obscure as ethics. I mean really, Republicans complaining about ethics violations? That defines irony.

[Edited on 7/24/2010 by SquatchTexas]

 

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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 10:43 AM
I find the title of this thread to be interesting...its as if the two individuals named are somehow equal in their wrongdoing. What goes around comes around? People typically say that when they believe the first person was wronged in someway almost as a incantation that the person doing the blaming be caught doing something too. So, in conservatives eyes, dodging taxes, failing to report income and other 'ethics' issues, is worse or equal to shopping for underaged men and 'sexting' them? What Foley did was by far way worse and dont even talk about the 'ethics' of looking to perform sex acts on pages. Maybe if Foley was a ranking Democrat, we could have gotten some justice there huh?

On September 28, 2006, ABC News Chief Investigative Correspondent Brian Ross reported that, in 2005, Foley had sent email messages from his personal AOL account to a former Congressional page, asking the page to send a photo of himself to Foley, among other things.[25] Foley's office confirmed that Foley had sent the messages but said it has a practice of asking for photos of individuals who may ask for recommendations and that the page had requested a recommendation.

The original news report prompted another page to come forward and on September 29, 2006, ABC News reported that it had seen excerpts of sexually explicit instant messages allegedly sent by Foley.[26] The instant messages made repeated references to sexual organs and acts.

Kirk Fordham, Chief of Staff to Tom Reynolds and former Chief of Staff to Foley, said that he was with Foley on September 29, 2006, when ABC confronted him with the explicit messages before they were publicized.[27] Fordham then visited GOP headquarters to inform Reynolds and Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert; he returned with a one-sentence resignation letter that Foley signed. Hastert and Reynolds let it be known that if Foley didn't resign, he would be expelled from the House. That same day, Foley tendered his resignation to Hastert as well as Florida Governor Jeb Bush.[28][29] Foley said in a statement, “I am deeply sorry and I apologize for letting down my family and the people of Florida I have had the privilege to represent.”[30][31] Once the news report became more widely known, Foley's chances of retaining his seat in Congress were limited. Hastert said in an October 2 press conference that he would have demanded Foley's expulsion from the House had he tried to stay in office.[32] Even if he'd tried to get his seat back, polls showed him losing badly to his Democratic opponent, Tim Mahoney.

More pages came forward, alleging a history of inappropriate conduct by Foley dating back at least 10 years. Foley had been warned about the matter in 2005 by another House Republican and the House Clerk. Through his lawyer, Foley insisted he was not a pedophile and asserted that he had not "had contact" with a minor. This implied that though he did not sexually assault any male interns, he did not explicitly deny sending them solicitous and sexually overt text-messages; thus sidestepping the question of whether he should have apologized (in public or in private) to the interns who had complained about him. Foley also explained that he had a drinking problem and had made the communications while intoxicated. He checked himself into a rehab clinic on October 2, 2006.[33] His lawyer also revealed that Foley was molested by a clergyman when he was between the ages of 13 and 15 adding that “Mark Foley wants you to know he is a gay man.”[34] Federal authorities said the explicit messages could result in Foley's prosecution, under some of the same laws he helped to enact.[35]

There was widespread criticism of Republican leaders for their response to earlier warnings and inconsistencies in their statements. In particular, many called for Hastert to resign, including some conservative voices such as the editorial page of The Washington Times.[36]

On October 19, 2006, the Sarasota Herald-Tribune stated that a Catholic priest named Anthony Mercieca told the newspaper about an intimate two-year relationship he had with Foley when the congressman was a teenage altar boy living in Lake Worth, Florida.[37] The priest is retired and living in Malta. He acknowledged getting naked in saunas and possible "light touching", but denied contacts of a sexual nature.[38]

Florida officials have closed the investigation of Foley, stating they found "insufficient evidence" to file criminal charges, since the page was over the age of 18.[39]


If you havent had breakfast yet, you might want to read the text exchange. Its rather..interesting, but Im sure not as interesting as Rangel and his problems. I mean, reading the masturbation habits of Foley and his desire to 'grab the one eyed snake' of the underage page he is chatting with while discussing the best ways to jerk off is far less serious than some tax problems, underreporting personal income etc. I guess Foley was wronged in some way and probably should have stayed as Senator.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/BrianRoss/story?id=2509586&page=2

 

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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 12:05 PM
Once again, I think Chuck is innocent and the whole thing wreaks of racism by the Democratic-led congress.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 12:13 PM
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He ain't gonna make it easy for them. 80 years old and he's going to fight it to the hilt rather than resign.


Yeah, because being accused of something (at least as a Democrat apparently) means you should resign regardless of what the actual truth of the matter might be.

So, youre saying Rangel shouldnt defend himself if he believes he is innocent, just resign?

BTW, if he is found guilty, punish him to the fullest extent of the rules of the House or he should resign, whichever is appropriate for his actions. Of course though, this is more about getting a long term Democrat into the crosshairs than it is about anything as obscure as ethics. I mean really, Republicans complaining about ethics violations? That defines irony.

[Edited on 7/24/2010 by SquatchTexas]


Man you have got to be joking. I live in New York and have followed this story closely for over a year. He is guilty as sin and EVERYONE knows it. He will be lucky to stay out of jail. He was indicted by Nancy Pelosi and the house DEMOCRATS. They almost NEVER do this. They would never have done it if they hadn't determined he was definitely guilty. There is nothing political about this. This is no witchhunt. This man is human pond scum. Just on one thing alone he had four rent controlled apartments and used one as a campaign headquarters when you are only permitted to have one. This while millions of New Yorkers struggle to pay the rent.

 

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I mean really, Republicans complaining about ethics violations? That defines irony.


Yes, it's truly hard to believe. Not to mention the absurdity of comparing Charles Rangel to a sexual predator.


I wouldn't compare him to a sex predator but Marc as a New Yorker you have to agree that the things he is accused of are very bad and very wrong.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 12:35 PM
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I think Chuck is innocent and the whole thing wreaks of racism by the Democratic-led congress.


The word is "reeks," Certificate Boy.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 12:44 PM
That's "award-winning certificate boy" to you, Burnout.

Meanwhile, Marc, I love it- even if Chuck is guilty, keep him in office doing that good ole liberal work. Kind of like voting Marion Barry back in. So what if Chuck got away with the tax scheme, put him back on the Ways and Means committee.

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Fletch finally won an award. Mama must be proud. Bet she cooked him his favorite meal.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 12:49 PM
Nobody cooks for me, or ever has. But thanks Burnout. By the way, still waiting for answers in the religion thread. Thanks.

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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 12:54 PM
So what's up with the new name, Fletch. Burnout? I can keep up with your fat ass doing anything and everything you can think of, all day long, anytime and anywhere. I even know how to spell the word "reek." You live at home with Mama, call yourself a writer, can't spell, and call other people "Burnout?" Now, that's funny.

I really am glad you finally won an award for something. I know it is your first one or you would have been crowing about the other ones, too. Maybe this will help you get past the self loathing that won't let you take a step without insulting someone in your path. I doubt it, since you seem to get more pathetic all the time, but maybe there's hope.

 

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Hey, that's interesting.

....and we're back. By the way, still waiting for answers in the religion thread. Thanks.

 

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Hey, that's interesting.

....and we're back. By the way, still waiting for answers in the religion thread. Thanks.



You'll wait forever before I'll reveal my secrets to the likes of you. I've already told you that. You wouldn't be able to handle it anyway. You still think enlightenment comes from books.

 

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Hey, that's interesting.

....and we're back. By the way, still waiting for answers in the religion thread. Thanks.

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You'll wait forever before I'll reveal my secrets to the likes of you. I've already told you that. You wouldn't be able to handle it anyway. You still think enlightenment comes from books.



I already know the secrets, way above and beyond your own narcissistic illusions. Do I think enlightenment comes from books? Nope. But I do know that fake faux-enlightenment comes from bullsh*t, and seeing through it like a plate glass window is literally entertaining. Now, in light of your rips on other folks' beliefs and stating what you think you know as fact, I'm looking forward to your answers.

 

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I mean really, Republicans complaining about ethics violations? That defines irony.


Yes, it's truly hard to believe. Not to mention the absurdity of comparing Charles Rangel to a sexual predator.


I wouldn't compare him to a sex predator but Marc as a New Yorker you have to agree that the things he is accused of are very bad and very wrong.


I think we've went through this - certainly he abused his office, but I have a hard time working up any outrage about shady real estate deals among Senators. And I don't think he should step down as long as he's still capable of being an effective representative for his district. The ethics charges may undercut his ability to be that representative, but that largely remains to be seen.


Oh Lord do I disagree with you. To me the single worst thing he did is having four rent control apartments while New Yorkers are forced to pay exorbinant rents and there are mass apartment shortages. That is just the tip of the iceberg. This is a very corrupt man. I respect people who's views are different than mine but I have trouble respecting the idea that crimes and serious corruption should be excused because one respect's the politician's politics. That is just wrong. It is either hypocritical or extraordinarily cynical.

The fact that his OWN party is doing this should really tip us off that these are not minor transgressions.

 

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You'll wait forever before I'll reveal my secrets to the likes of you. I've already told you that. You wouldn't be able to handle it anyway. You still think enlightenment comes from books.



I already know the secrets, way above and beyond your own narcissistic illusions. Do I think enlightenment comes from books? Nope. But I do know that fake faux-enlightenment comes from bullsh*t, and seeing through it like a plate glass window is literally entertaining. Now, in light of your rips on other folks' beliefs and stating what you think you know as fact, I'm looking forward to your answers.


Fletch, if you could only see how stupid you look, you'd probably get a big laugh out of you, too. You claim to know these deep secrets, yet you constantly insult people you've never met, acting as if you somehow know all about their lives, how their minds think, how they live their lives, all from your Mama's basement in the suburbs of a major city in Ohio. Even an illiterate atheist would get a big laugh out of that. For all your "enlightenment," I sure don't see any of the results of it on display here. You got caught trying to steal beer from a store just a few years ago. Why didn't your "secrets" help you avoid that little stumble?

 

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Hey, Fake Enlightement Man, the "Anybody afraid of dying?" thread awaits.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2010 at 01:37 PM
If he is found guilty of wrongdoing he should bear the consequences, just like anyone else.

 

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The problem is ole Chuck knows where the skeletons are buried.

 

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Man you have got to be joking. I live in New York and have followed this story closely for over a year. He is guilty as sin and EVERYONE knows it. He will be lucky to stay out of jail.


Especially with the guilty until proven innocent thoughts on jurisprudence going on in your head. Give the man his day in 'court'.

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He was indicted by Nancy Pelosi and the house DEMOCRATS. They almost NEVER do this. They would never have done it if they hadn't determined he was definitely guilty.


They? are They the various committees that are looking at this matter in the course of due process? Amazing. He's guilty because YOU know he is...uh huh.

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There is nothing political about this.


Oh Im sure. Republicans never play politics.

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Not if its legitimate, no, and it seems as if it is based on what Ive read.

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This man is human pond scum.


Pond scum for dodging monetary reporting requirements and other ethics issues? I value my ethics and morals more than most people do I think, at least in my opinion, and while he is *most likely* guilty, Ill wait for the full investigation to conclude. Even if guilty, I think I would reserve something like 'pond scum' for people who actually harm others, cause great damage etc. That aint Rangel. He's only harming himself at this point.

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Just on one thing alone he had four rent controlled apartments and used one as a campaign headquarters when you are only permitted to have one. This while millions of New Yorkers struggle to pay the rent.


And what was the outcome of that investigation? (Ill give you a hint, they never came to a conclusion..the House voted 254 to 138 to table a resolution submitted by Minority Leader John Boehner (no politics!) that would have censured Rangel for having "dishonored himself and brought discredit to the House" by occupying the four apartments. - Wiki)

 

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