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DENVER – Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., was “giddy” on policy and heavy on appropriating comments from conservative pundits in her key note speech to the Western Conservative Summit in Denver Friday night.

Railing on Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the health-policy adviser at the White House’s Office of Management and Budget, for his support for rationing health care and what she saw as an Obama-sponsored takeover of U.S. industries, Bachmann said that the only way to escape the “tyranny” imposed by the last 18 months of Democratic rule was to elect constitutional conservatives to Congress. She then called for a multi-step program to cut government spending, taxes and a host of programs she said would help to get the country back on a constitutionally grounded track.

In a room of 600 conservative voters brought together by former Colorado Senate president John Andrews’ Centennial Institute, along with Liberty on the Rocks and Colorado Christian University, Bachmann brought the crowd to its feet more than once as she called for an end to the progressive agenda she said has taken over Washington.

“‘We are determined to live free or not at all. And we are resolved that posterity shall never reproach us with having brought slaves into the world,’” Bachmann read from founding father John Jay , ending her reading with the statement, “We will talk a little bit about what has transpired in the last 18 months and would we count what has transpired into turning our country into a nation of slaves.”

She reiterated her concern more forcefully toward the end of the program.

“I think this describes so well where we are right now,” Bachmann said before reading an excerpt from C.S. Lewis: “‘Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under a robber baron than under omnipotent moral busybodies… .’”

Bachmann urged the room to not only vote in constitutional conservatives like herself but also to make certain to implore their congressional delegation to vote them into leadership positions.

“I am not in leadership, but that is why I said in my remarks that it is extremely important that if the gavel turns, the leadership is made up of constitutional conservatives. All of you can put that pressure on them.”

Such a leadership, Bachmann said, would be able to implement a conservative shift in government that could, among many things, rein in federal spending. She pointed to numbers showing that when Obama took office the debt was $5.8 trillion, quickly rising to $13 trillion under his leadership.

According to the U.S Treasury Department on the day President Obama took office the total national debt stood at $10.62 trillion , and it has expanded to $13.2 trillion after massive spending on the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act to stave off another Great Depression.

Calling herself “giddy” with the notion of effecting change, she Bachmann laid out an agenda that has been the wish list for conservative politicians and pundits for years. She said first and foremost reforms to social security, Medicare, and welfare need to be addressed.

“We reform social security, then we reform Medicare, then we pare back welfare to the truly needy, for the truly disabled, because, yes, we can make that determination. No welfare for those who violate America’s borders. Close and secure American boarders, cut the budget, limit our foreign entanglements for America, then we massively cut spending first, then we cut taxes.”

Bachmann further said the military should not be used as a social experiment, called for the privatization of social security for those under 55, as well as the elimination of the capital gains tax, estate tax, alternative minimum tax, and the reduction of taxes to 20 percent for individual income and 9 percent for businesses. Finally, she called for the total repeal of “Obamacare” to thunderous applause.

Bachmann claimed the national health care reform package was implemented, in part, under the auspices of Rahm Emanuel’s brother Ezekiel, whom Bachmann, appropriating the claims of Betsy McCaughey, said supported the rationing of medical care to only those who were useful to the federal treasury. Bachmann, extending that claim to the administration, said , “It is about being useful not to you, not to others, but to the United States Treasury. How useful are you to the United States Treasury? These people are serious. It makes [Jack] Kevorkian look like Mary Poppins.”

While a number of sites have debunked claims against Emanuel, an ardent opponent of euthanasia, in a CBS interview he explained that he did not believe in rationing health care across the board but his contemplations as a philosopher found him looking at a situation where there might be one liver for three individuals. In those cases, he said he spoke of rationing, but that they did not apply to a larger system.

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“We reform social security, then we reform Medicare, then we pare back welfare to the truly needy, for the truly disabled, because, yes, we can make that determination. No welfare for those who violate America’s borders. Close and secure American boarders, cut the budget, limit our foreign entanglements for America, then we massively cut spending first, then we cut taxes.”


Sounds reasonable. Sooner the better.

 

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“We reform social security, then we reform Medicare, then we pare back welfare to the truly needy, for the truly disabled, because, yes, we can make that determination. No welfare for those who violate America’s borders. Close and secure American boarders, cut the budget, limit our foreign entanglements for America, then we massively cut spending first, then we cut taxes.”


Sounds reasonable. Sooner the better.


Why didn't the GOP do anything like that for the 16 years they ran Congress, and who would really think they'd do it if they got Congress back?

How can any Republican say we need to "limit our foreign entanglements for America," with a straight face? Seriously?

 

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“We reform social security, then we reform Medicare, then we pare back welfare to the truly needy, for the truly disabled, because, yes, we can make that determination. No welfare for those who violate America’s borders. Close and secure American boarders, cut the budget, limit our foreign entanglements for America, then we massively cut spending first, then we cut taxes.”


Sounds reasonable. Sooner the better.


Why didn't the GOP do anything like that for the 16 years they ran Congress, and who would really think they'd do it if they got Congress back?

How can any Republican say we need to "limit our foreign entanglements for America," with a straight face? Seriously?



You beat me to it. Plus she is still regurgitating the total nonsense about health care rationing that was originally spewed by the proven sociopath liar Betsy McCaughey.

 

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Conflating the term "slavery" with today's debt situation will be seen as firebrand rhetoric, but perhaps not for long when you consider the fiscal facts...

-- If we were not deficit spending and borrowing to do so - in other words funding all our annual Federal spending with tax revenue from the current year's collections - then income tax would have to rise approximately 2.5x on everyone to cover the costs.

-- The total debt may have been about $10 trillion when he assumed office, but if current and planned spending continues, Obama will double that figure if he has two terms (and a Congress willing to go along with his plans). One President will double the debt of all who preceded him.

-- 2010's Federal budget, unbelievably called: "A New Era of Responsibility: Renewing America's Promise" by the Obama team, plans for $3.55 trillion in spending with an estimate of $2.38 trillion in revenue. So for every dollar spent, 33 cents has to be borrowed. But those are only estimates, which are usually overly rosy and almost always on the wrong side of actual results. And this estimate doesn't count off-budget funding, which includes all sorts of spending; like the Iraq & Afghanistan wars, unemployment extensions, etc. Count on the real figures being closer to 40-45 cents borrowed for every dollar spent.


Coming to grips with such staggering debt leaves few options. Either the interest on the debt eventually consumes the entire budget, creditors stop funding all the deficit spending, truly confiscatory taxes are levied imposing slave-like economic conditions, or we default on the debt making the currency worthless and sending ourselves back to an economic stone age. Or we could adopt some difficult austerity measures to try and slowly reverse the trend. But no one in Washington, or any majority of citizens, seems prepared for that. Given the major components of the Federal budget, it appears that many sacred cows will need to be sacrificed in order to deal with this problem...


2010's budget estimates from the WH...

 

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“We reform social security, then we reform Medicare, then we pare back welfare to the truly needy, for the truly disabled, because, yes, we can make that determination. No welfare for those who violate America’s borders. Close and secure American boarders, cut the budget, limit our foreign entanglements for America, then we massively cut spending first, then we cut taxes.”
Sounds reasonable. Sooner the better.
Why didn't the GOP do anything like that for the 16 years they ran Congress, and who would really think they'd do it if they got Congress back?

How can any Republican say we need to "limit our foreign entanglements for America," with a straight face? Seriously?
You already know the answer but would rather waste time with party "gotcha" politics. There hasn't been a significant difference between the parties in terms of spending and war in many, many decades. The pace may be different, but the direction has always been the same. Time to stop focusing on the meaningless games between D's & R's and get serious about real problems.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2010 at 11:24 AM
I think the best option for the average person is to find some work where you don't have to pay income tax. Something under the table where you can keep your own damn money and let the government pay for their waste without your help. That's what I''m doing, anyway. They got the last penny of my money they will ever get, unless they forcibly take it from me. So it doesn't matter much to me what they do with the money they are able to confiscate.

 

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“We reform social security, then we reform Medicare, then we pare back welfare to the truly needy, for the truly disabled, because, yes, we can make that determination. No welfare for those who violate America’s borders. Close and secure American boarders, cut the budget, limit our foreign entanglements for America, then we massively cut spending first, then we cut taxes.”


Sounds reasonable. Sooner the better.


Why didn't the GOP do anything like that for the 16 years they ran Congress, and who would really think they'd do it if they got Congress back?

How can any Republican say we need to "limit our foreign entanglements for America," with a straight face? Seriously?


Not all Republicans agree with all Republicans. Bachmann obviously is not an internationalist.

 

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What about the "Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the health-policy adviser at the White House’s Office of Management and Budget, for his support for rationing health care"part? No comment??

 

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“We reform social security, then we reform Medicare, then we pare back welfare to the truly needy, for the truly disabled, because, yes, we can make that determination. No welfare for those who violate America’s borders. Close and secure American boarders, cut the budget, limit our foreign entanglements for America, then we massively cut spending first, then we cut taxes.”
Sounds reasonable. Sooner the better.
Why didn't the GOP do anything like that for the 16 years they ran Congress, and who would really think they'd do it if they got Congress back?

How can any Republican say we need to "limit our foreign entanglements for America," with a straight face? Seriously?
You already know the answer but would rather waste time with party "gotcha" politics. There hasn't been a significant difference between the parties in terms of spending and war in many, many decades. The pace may be different, but the direction has always been the same. Time to stop focusing on the meaningless games between D's & R's and get serious about real problems.


You're the one with your head in the clouds, Rich. D vs. R defines everything. Look around, and you slide right into lib vs. con just like everyone else whenever it suits you.

Rep. Bachmann here raised twice as much money last quarter than Sarah Palin, by using "gotcha" phrases like tyranny and slavery? And then you defend the use of the word slavery...

Crack me up.

Let me edit this a tad...

When it comes to there being "no difference between the parties," in some ways that is true and in some ways it is not.

As you know, I'm deep in the heart of a red state. There are two Republicans that are playing the "who hates liberals more" game with their campaign ads every night for the upcoming primary. It's pretty entertaining and sad at the same time. One guy, this is his slogan:

"Todd Tiahrt: Fights Liberals, Hates Taxes, Loves His Country."

Don't lecture me on playing the meaningless D vs. R game, Rich. Lecture the politicians that feed the flame...because the way i look at it is...let's say Rep. Tiahrt wins his primary and moves to the General Election...why on Earth would I vote for the guy, why would I even think that he would want my vote or represent me anyway? Fighting liberals is what one does if one loves their country? Dude, this guy is a SITTING Congressman! I'M the one playing partisan games? Seriously?

We all just too far gone, my friend. There will never be anything ever resembling "working together" in politics ever again. Hell, it's to the point where both sides won't even agree on the fact that it's sad when someone dies.





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“We reform social security, then we reform Medicare, then we pare back welfare to the truly needy, for the truly disabled, because, yes, we can make that determination. No welfare for those who violate America’s borders. Close and secure American boarders, cut the budget, limit our foreign entanglements for America, then we massively cut spending first, then we cut taxes.”


Sounds reasonable. Sooner the better.


Why didn't the GOP do anything like that for the 16 years they ran Congress, and who would really think they'd do it if they got Congress back?

How can any Republican say we need to "limit our foreign entanglements for America," with a straight face? Seriously?


Not all Republicans agree with all Republicans. Bachmann obviously is not an internationalist.


Obviously you aren't that familiar with her.

 

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The part of the article that was truly frightening is that all those people jumped to their feet to applaud her outrageousness. We all know the debt is staggering and some of us know where a lot of that debt came from. We can't fight at least a billion dollar a day war for over two thousand days and not be deep in a financial hole.

 

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“We reform social security, then we reform Medicare, then we pare back welfare to the truly needy, for the truly disabled, because, yes, we can make that determination. No welfare for those who violate America’s borders. Close and secure American boarders, cut the budget, limit our foreign entanglements for America, then we massively cut spending first, then we cut taxes.”


Sounds reasonable. Sooner the better.


Why didn't the GOP do anything like that for the 16 years they ran Congress, and who would really think they'd do it if they got Congress back?

How can any Republican say we need to "limit our foreign entanglements for America," with a straight face? Seriously?


They did. The 104th Congress wrote the Welfare bill that Clinton signed. They made an attempt at SS reform and the Democrats demagogued it to death, scaring seniors about the GOP "taking your social security away." They have also blocked partial privatization of the plan whenever it comes up. Now the conditions have continued to change to a degree that makes these reforms that much more urgent.

Yes, seriously with and with a straight face. Look back through history and, at least until the Bush's came along, the Democrats are the party that have gotten us into wars and the Republicans have gotten us out.

 

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They did. The 104th Congress wrote the Welfare bill that Clinton signed. They made an attempt at SS reform and the Democrats demagogued it to death, scaring seniors about the GOP "taking your social security away." They have also blocked partial privatization of the plan whenever it comes up. Now the conditions have continued to change to a degree that makes these reforms that much more urgent.


This coming from the guy that supports Medicare Death Panel rhetoric about how seniors should be scared about Democrats taking their Medicare away. That's clever.

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Yes, seriously with and with a straight face. Look back through history and, at least until the Bush's came along, the Democrats are the party that have gotten us into wars and the Republicans have gotten us out.


Are you saying that Republicans wouldn't have declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbor?

President Truman entered the Korean Conflict because of his belief, supported by General Bradley, that Korea was the place to meet the spread of communism head on, were they wrong?

Didn't both Democratic and Republican Presidents escalate our involvment in Southeast Asia?

President Reagan didn't invade Grenada?

The Bushes aren't Republicans?


 

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Fantasies of victimization are the very lifeblood of the conservative movement. Victimization fantasies and lies, that is. Lies like her unfathomable comparison of government health care to Dr Kevorkian.

It's beyond despicable that this soulless nightmare of a person could suggest that our nation is being turned into a slave nation by Obama. It's an indefensible claim, it cheapens the tragedy of true slavery, and though I'm not surprised that Michele Bachmann is enough of a scumbag to stoop that low, I am a bit surprised that any conservative with a brain or a conscience can echo or even defend her sentiments. You people disgust me.


Bachmann kicks Palin's ass in fundraising. It only gets worse from here from now to the midterms because this type of rhetoric is working, and working well. If what you say makes money, you best better keep saying it.

As to people defending and echoing the comments, one cannot help but assume that they agree with them.

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“We reform social security, then we reform Medicare, then we pare back welfare to the truly needy, for the truly disabled, because, yes, we can make that determination. No welfare for those who violate America’s borders. Close and secure American boarders, cut the budget, limit our foreign entanglements for America, then we massively cut spending first, then we cut taxes.”
Sounds reasonable. Sooner the better.
Why didn't the GOP do anything like that for the 16 years they ran Congress, and who would really think they'd do it if they got Congress back?

How can any Republican say we need to "limit our foreign entanglements for America," with a straight face? Seriously?
You already know the answer but would rather waste time with party "gotcha" politics. There hasn't been a significant difference between the parties in terms of spending and war in many, many decades. The pace may be different, but the direction has always been the same. Time to stop focusing on the meaningless games between D's & R's and get serious about real problems.
You're the one with your head in the clouds, Rich. D vs. R defines everything. Look around, and you slide right into lib vs. con just like everyone else whenever it suits you.

Rep. Bachmann here raised twice as much money last quarter than Sarah Palin, by using "gotcha" phrases like tyranny and slavery? And then you defend the use of the word slavery...

Crack me up.

Let me edit this a tad...

When it comes to there being "no difference between the parties," in some ways that is true and in some ways it is not.

As you know, I'm deep in the heart of a red state. There are two Republicans that are playing the "who hates liberals more" game with their campaign ads every night for the upcoming primary. It's pretty entertaining and sad at the same time. One guy, this is his slogan:

"Todd Tiahrt: Fights Liberals, Hates Taxes, Loves His Country."

Don't lecture me on playing the meaningless D vs. R game, Rich. Lecture the politicians that feed the flame...because the way i look at it is...let's say Rep. Tiahrt wins his primary and moves to the General Election...why on Earth would I vote for the guy, why would I even think that he would want my vote or represent me anyway? Fighting liberals is what one does if one loves their country? Dude, this guy is a SITTING Congressman! I'M the one playing partisan games? Seriously?

We all just too far gone, my friend. There will never be anything ever resembling "working together" in politics ever again. Hell, it's to the point where both sides won't even agree on the fact that it's sad when someone dies.
I didn't intend my comments to be a lecture Hawk, just an observation. Your example shows it clearly; both sides have lost their minds because both have contributed and driven us to where we are - with the voters assistance, of course.

Maybe you're right: we're too far gone. But the only possible hope is throwing away party alignments and those old fights, while looking deeper into what someone really means (philosophically or ideologically). I don't know about you, but I'm sick of the poll-packaged language of sweeping and meaningless generalities. Too many politicians from both sides hiding their real intentions behind flowery rhetoric.

While I don't see Bachmann's comments as any better in that regard, the use of the term "slavery" does bring the right level of seriousness to the issue. What would you call it if your Federal income tax was raised by 2.5x (or more) in order to pay for our current spending without outside borrowing and deficit spending?

 

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  posted on 7/13/2010 at 12:31 PM
I don't see how anyone who has paid attention to the stock market and what happened about a year ago can possible think privitazation of social security is a good idea. All that would do is give the greedy people holding on to the money more incentive to figure out a way to take more of it!!

 

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I just love how the conservatives like to think of themselves as defenders of the constitution. Yes the same people who want prayer in school, teaching creationism (aka Bible study) in science class, and keeps insisting that America is a Christian country despite the constitution requiring the separation of church and state. Yes the same people who want to deny equal protection under the law for same sex couples as required by our constitution. Yes, those conservatives completely miss the irony.
 

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I don't see how anyone who has paid attention to the stock market and what happened about a year ago can possible think privitazation of social security is a good idea. All that would do is give the greedy people holding on to the money more incentive to figure out a way to take more of it!!


How does actually getting a positve return on your contributions and
not having the system go broke sound?

 

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While I don't see Bachmann's comments as any better in that regard, the use of the term "slavery" does bring the right level of seriousness to the issue.


Do you understand what slavery is? Stop comparing taxation to slavery, it's pathetic and embarrassing.


Upon reaching a certain point, it is what it is.

 

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What about the "Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the health-policy adviser at the White House’s Office of Management and Budget, for his support for rationing health care"part? No comment??


Since that was totally debunked months ago i guess not.

 

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I just love how she claimed Obama nearly doubled the debt in 18 months. I'm not sure what's more ignorant, thinking it was only 5.8 trillion in Jan. 2009 or thinking he actually doubled it 18 months into his administration. I'm wondering where she heard these figures. Faux News, perhaps?
 

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While I don't see Bachmann's comments as any better in that regard, the use of the term "slavery" does bring the right level of seriousness to the issue.


Do you understand what slavery is? Stop comparing taxation to slavery, it's pathetic and embarrassing.


Upon reaching a certain point, it is what it is.


"It is what it is?" What does that even mean?

Victimization fantasies and shameless lies, that's all you've got.




How is a confiscatory tax system or an unsustainable debt in any way
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Speaking of victimhood, the Left never could have existed without their constantly
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While I don't see Bachmann's comments as any better in that regard, the use of the term "slavery" does bring the right level of seriousness to the issue.


Do you understand what slavery is? Stop comparing taxation to slavery, it's pathetic and embarrassing.


Upon reaching a certain point, it is what it is.


"It is what it is?" What does that even mean?

Victimization fantasies and shameless lies, that's all you've got.




Um....In the second quarter of this year alone there were 400,000 jobs "created" 90 percent of which were government positions. We are facing tax increases, extensions of unemployment insurance, another "stimulus' package to prop up the first one and nationalized healthcare. Idk kind of sounds like working for the company store to me.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2010 at 01:02 PM
The term slavery can be used to better describe the debt slavery culture the credit card and mortgage lenders have created over decades.

 

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