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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 10:10 AM
If you haven't seen these, they are two interesting exchanges.

MSNBC featuring Matthews ,Olberman, and Fineman.

" No specifics, no direction, no executive command, " etc.


FoxNew featuring O'Reily and Krauthammer-

"A speech wont stop the leak..the cleanup afiasco" etc.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/15/msnbc_trashes_obamas_addr ess_compared_to_carter_i_dont_sense_executive_command.html




http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/15/krauthammer_obama_gave_it _a_shot_but_the_story_will_not_be_his_speech.html





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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 10:40 AM
Even the talking heads at MSNBC are starting to see though his empty rhetoric. Pretty amazing.

His speech was an opportunity to push forward another tax on the american people....Energy Tax/Cap and Trade.

"Speech won't stop the spill"

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 10:49 AM
As my brother says" If you didn't get to see the Carter years the first time, you're getting to watch the rerun"

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 11:41 AM
Jimmy Carter is one of the few honest men to inhabit the White House, and is a far more accomplished man than any of the yappers on this website. Why they want to ridicule him is a mystery to me.

This video makes two points. One, all those who think MSNBC carries water for this administration are wrong, and have been wrong all the time. Two, everyone in this country is getting sick and tired of hearing politicians blah blah blah. I almost puked when Obama pointed at the camera and started the worn out old "We are going to fight this spill...blah blah blah" I guess he decided it was time to trot out a Winston Churchill speech to reassure the sheep. Unfortunately Obama is no Churchill.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 11:43 AM
Too little, too late.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 11:47 AM
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Jimmy Carter is one of the few honest men to inhabit the White House, and is a far more accomplished man than any of the yappers on this website. Why they want to ridicule him is a mystery to me.

This video makes two points. One, all those who think MSNBC carries water for this administration are wrong, and have been wrong all the time. Two, everyone in this country is getting sick and tired of hearing politicians blah blah blah. I almost puked when Obama pointed at the camera and started the worn out old "We are going to fight this spill...blah blah blah" I guess he decided it was time to trot out a Winston Churchill speech to reassure the sheep. Unfortunately Obama is no Churchill.


I agrere with everything you said. I don't know why he even bothered. I honestly can't remember a thing he said and after a while I guess I just shut him out. I obviously don't know squat about being diplomatic, but I wanted to see some fire and finger pointing and a demand for action.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 11:48 AM
agree.....I don't know what's wrong with my fingers today.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 11:57 AM
Jimmah Carter was honest and ineffective. As for BJO, even the Left doesn't want to be represented by an empty suit non-leader. I will actually give Slick Willie some credit here as he understood that an event like this is a perfect time for a president to step up and remind folks of the power of the office and to get them away from thinking about the normal, every day crap that goes on in Washington (of course, that also means Clinton decided to bomb the Sudan on the day Monica testifies). I think Clinton actually lamented the fact that nothing huge happened during his presidency. Yep, it is an opportunity blown for Barack Jimmah Obama. Rahm is gone after the midterms. Obama better hope and pary that Hillary sticks around at least into the third year.

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 11:58 AM
He trotted out the one about landing a man on the moon. "Some said we couldn't land a man on the moon." If we can land a man on the moon, we can....(replace fossil fuels, end our addiction to fossil fuels).

Not necessarily, particularly if the pipe dream of discovering a workable substitute for crude oil is much more difficult than sending a man to the moon. Obviously he's willing to spend tens to hundreds of billions on attempting to make this a reality with no real plan. Throw money at it and HOPE there is some future breakthrough.

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 12:03 PM
May I just interject a note here.....if DFC is going to try to spell a southern pronounciation of Jimmy Carter's name, he's at least got to have had a relative who founded some town in Georgia to lend it a little credibility. Otherwise....he just looks more foolish than he already does....if that's possible.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 12:06 PM
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May I just interject a note here.....if DFC is going to try to spell a southern pronounciation of Jimmy Carter's name, he's at least got to have had a relative who founded some town in Georgia to lend it a little credibility. Otherwise....he just looks more foolish than he already does....if that's possible.


You still read his posts? They've been the same since 2007.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 12:16 PM
It doesn't really matter what plan Obama or any of the other empty suits come up with. I don't think our "leaders" are leading anything anymore. They want us to think they are, and giving a speech like this is part of their method. But I think the government and business are all just reacting to affairs out of their control at this point. for all the talk of a recovery, this country isn't recovering. there are lots of businesses that will be going out of business in the next year as they run out of money and give up. Not a single business I frequent has anywhere near the business they once had.

With all that in mind, what I'm seeing is people figuring out a new way to "get by" that doesn't involve buying and selling new goods. There is a lot of bartering going on, as people attempt to meet their needs with little or no cash to exchange. Rent, vehicles, and lots of other things being traded for labor or handcrafted items. I've done a lot of trades for my pipes, and some of them have been to other handcrafters, who are alos out trading their work for other things they want. I actually traded a chillum, or tube pipe, to a guy for a carved redwood mushroom about 2 1/2 feet tall. He had just carved it with a chainsaw, and still needed to be smoothed and finished. These are just little things, but I'm also trading work on the cabin I'm in for rent. I see other people all around me doing similar things.

We don't talk about it much on here, but all these "bad" things that are going on are really having some good results, as more and more people realize what a crock the establishment really is turning out to be. The people are going to take this country back, and I predict that in 10 years from now our society will be very much changed from what it is now. And we won't be using nearly as much oil as we do now. But we are going to go through some bad times first. When all the cars are parked because no one has any money for gas, we'll get off oil. We'll just stop going places.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 12:16 PM
It's a West Virginia pronounciation of the name. Good enough for me.


Bhawk, give us some good words about Obama. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 12:27 PM
I'm so tired of this crap I didn't even watch the speech. Sounds like I didn't miss much.

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 12:40 PM
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He trotted out the one about landing a man on the moon. "Some said we couldn't land a man on the moon." If we can land a man on the moon, we can....(replace fossil fuels, end our addiction to fossil fuels).

Not necessarily, particularly if the pipe dream of discovering a workable substitute for crude oil is much more difficult than sending a man to the moon. Obviously he's willing to spend tens to hundreds of billions on attempting to make this a reality with no real plan. Throw money at it and HOPE there is some future breakthrough.

He dreams...We pay.



So what specific examples do you have of him spending money with no real plan? Isn't this your capitalistic wet dream - let the marketplace come up with a solution? All they need is a little seed money..............

 

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It doesn't really matter what plan Obama or any of the other empty suits come up with. I don't think our "leaders" are leading anything anymore. They want us to think they are, and giving a speech like this is part of their method. But I think the government and business are all just reacting to affairs out of their control at this point. for all the talk of a recovery, this country isn't recovering. there are lots of businesses that will be going out of business in the next year as they run out of money and give up. Not a single business I frequent has anywhere near the business they once had.

With all that in mind, what I'm seeing is people figuring out a new way to "get by" that doesn't involve buying and selling new goods. There is a lot of bartering going on, as people attempt to meet their needs with little or no cash to exchange. Rent, vehicles, and lots of other things being traded for labor or handcrafted items. I've done a lot of trades for my pipes, and some of them have been to other handcrafters, who are alos out trading their work for other things they want. I actually traded a chillum, or tube pipe, to a guy for a carved redwood mushroom about 2 1/2 feet tall. He had just carved it with a chainsaw, and still needed to be smoothed and finished. These are just little things, but I'm also trading work on the cabin I'm in for rent. I see other people all around me doing similar things.

We don't talk about it much on here, but all these "bad" things that are going on are really having some good results, as more and more people realize what a crock the establishment really is turning out to be. The people are going to take this country back, and I predict that in 10 years from now our society will be very much changed from what it is now. And we won't be using nearly as much oil as we do now. But we are going to go through some bad times first. When all the cars are parked because no one has any money for gas, we'll get off oil. We'll just stop going places.
Interesting perspective SCB. I look at the current situation and often think of the stories my Dad told of living through the Depression. We haven't gotten to that point yet, and I hope we never do. But it would be a mistake to think that its not possible.

However, many good things came out of the Depression, not the least of which was a new spirit of cooperation, lessons of the importance of austerity, and a bit of humbleness that seems all but gone from the American character in recent decades. Trials and difficulties serve to strengthen the character, and in some ways we could use a bit of that.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 01:34 PM
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He trotted out the one about landing a man on the moon. "Some said we couldn't land a man on the moon." If we can land a man on the moon, we can....(replace fossil fuels, end our addiction to fossil fuels).

Not necessarily, particularly if the pipe dream of discovering a workable substitute for crude oil is much more difficult than sending a man to the moon. Obviously he's willing to spend tens to hundreds of billions on attempting to make this a reality with no real plan. Throw money at it and HOPE there is some future breakthrough.

He dreams...We pay.



So what specific examples do you have of him spending money with no real plan?


The President said, "Even if we don't yet know precisely how to get there, we know we will get there." Why? And how? Because we were able to land a man on the moon, that's why.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 01:42 PM
Nothing but more political rhetoric, politicizing and pushing for 'cap anf trade' taxes...
how insulting to this nation. What a poor and sad rendering from the office of the presidency. obama has 0 leadership and is totally incapable of making a decision.

 

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It doesn't really matter what plan Obama or any of the other empty suits come up with. I don't think our "leaders" are leading anything anymore. They want us to think they are, and giving a speech like this is part of their method. But I think the government and business are all just reacting to affairs out of their control at this point. for all the talk of a recovery, this country isn't recovering. there are lots of businesses that will be going out of business in the next year as they run out of money and give up. Not a single business I frequent has anywhere near the business they once had.

With all that in mind, what I'm seeing is people figuring out a new way to "get by" that doesn't involve buying and selling new goods. There is a lot of bartering going on, as people attempt to meet their needs with little or no cash to exchange. Rent, vehicles, and lots of other things being traded for labor or handcrafted items. I've done a lot of trades for my pipes, and some of them have been to other handcrafters, who are alos out trading their work for other things they want. I actually traded a chillum, or tube pipe, to a guy for a carved redwood mushroom about 2 1/2 feet tall. He had just carved it with a chainsaw, and still needed to be smoothed and finished. These are just little things, but I'm also trading work on the cabin I'm in for rent. I see other people all around me doing similar things.

We don't talk about it much on here, but all these "bad" things that are going on are really having some good results, as more and more people realize what a crock the establishment really is turning out to be. The people are going to take this country back, and I predict that in 10 years from now our society will be very much changed from what it is now. And we won't be using nearly as much oil as we do now. But we are going to go through some bad times first. When all the cars are parked because no one has any money for gas, we'll get off oil. We'll just stop going places.
Interesting perspective SCB. I look at the current situation and often think of the stories my Dad told of living through the Depression. We haven't gotten to that point yet, and I hope we never do. But it would be a mistake to think that its not possible.

However, many good things came out of the Depression, not the least of which was a new spirit of cooperation, lessons of the importance of austerity, and a bit of humbleness that seems all but gone from the American character in recent decades. Trials and difficulties serve to strengthen the character, and in some ways we could use a bit of that.


I agree, Fuji, and I think it is far more likely than not.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 02:00 PM
What exactly did you want to hear him say about this situation??????? ANYTHING HE SAID WOULD HAVE GOTTEN CRITICIZED. He is in a no win situation. If you don't like him vote him out in two years and let's see what happens when one of those other jabonees who ran against him get in. Anyone really think things would be better had we elected McCain/Palin????? If both parties can't come up with better candidates we will end up with more of the same. Either a smart but inexperienced President like we have now or another inexperienced buffoon like the one before him. Why can't we produce any good, total package, smart and experienced candidates in this country???????????????????

IMO Hillary was the only candidate in either party who had the smarts and experience to take on the job. She would be getting grilled just as bad by the right though. It is starting to look to me like President Obama may be in a little over his head but who wouldn't be with the myriad of problems he was handed. I don't think any one of his opponents could have done much better with what he took over. Bush/Cheney left a total cluster fu$k in there wake and whoever was gonna take over for them was gonna be put in an unwinable situation IMO.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 02:05 PM
If we'd listened to Carter we'd be well on the way to alternative power. P*ss on Reagan for turning the good Carter did to get that moving along.

 

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If we'd listened to Carter we'd be well on the way to alternative power. P*ss on Reagan for turning the good Carter did to get that moving along.


Exactly. Carter was on the right track, Reagan derailed us.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2010 at 02:20 PM
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It's a West Virginia pronounciation of the name. Good enough for me.


Bhawk, give us some good words about Obama. Maybe I'm missing something.


You miss just about everything.


Hey, thanks for quoting that reply, Otie. If you hadn't I never would have known DFC mentioned me.

 

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He trotted out the one about landing a man on the moon. "Some said we couldn't land a man on the moon." If we can land a man on the moon, we can....(replace fossil fuels, end our addiction to fossil fuels).

Not necessarily, particularly if the pipe dream of discovering a workable substitute for crude oil is much more difficult than sending a man to the moon. Obviously he's willing to spend tens to hundreds of billions on attempting to make this a reality with no real plan. Throw money at it and HOPE there is some future breakthrough.

He dreams...We pay.



So what specific examples do you have of him spending money with no real plan?


The President said, "Even if we don't yet know precisely how to get there, we know we will get there." Why? And how? Because we were able to land a man on the moon, that's why.




Damn! I knew American ingenuity was a sham...... just like landing on the moon was.....

How dare he bring up that we've always been up to the challenge......doesn't he know things have changed?

 

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If we'd listened to Carter we'd be well on the way to alternative power. P*ss on Reagan for turning the good Carter did to get that moving along.


Exactly. Carter was on the right track, Reagan derailed us.


Last nights speech sounded very close to what Jimmy said back in 1979.

 

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