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  posted on 5/22/2010 at 01:11 PM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/20/AR201 0052003885.html

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, May 21, 2010

It is perfectly obvious that Iran's latest uranium maneuver, brokered by Brazil and Turkey, is a ruse. Iran retains more than enough enriched uranium to make a bomb. And it continues enriching at an accelerated pace and to a greater purity (20 percent). Which is why the French foreign ministry immediately declared that the trumpeted temporary shipping of some Iranian uranium to Turkey will do nothing to halt Iran's nuclear program.

It will, however, make meaningful sanctions more difficult. America's proposed Security Council resolution is already laughably weak -- no blacklisting of Iran's central bank, no sanctions against Iran's oil and gas industry, no nonconsensual inspections on the high seas. Yet Turkey and Brazil -- both current members of the Security Council -- are so opposed to sanctions that they will not even discuss the resolution. And China will now have a new excuse to weaken it further.

But the deeper meaning of the uranium-export stunt is the brazenness with which Brazil and Turkey gave cover to the mullahs' nuclear ambitions and deliberately undermined U.S. efforts to curb Iran's program.

The real news is that already notorious photo: the president of Brazil, our largest ally in Latin America, and the prime minister of Turkey, for more than half a century the Muslim anchor of NATO, raising hands together with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the most virulently anti-American leader in the world.



That picture -- a defiant, triumphant take-that-Uncle-Sam -- is a crushing verdict on the Obama foreign policy. It demonstrates how rising powers, traditional American allies, having watched this administration in action, have decided that there's no cost in lining up with America's enemies and no profit in lining up with a U.S. president given to apologies and appeasement.

They've watched President Obama's humiliating attempts to appease Iran, as every rejected overture is met with abjectly renewed U.S. negotiating offers. American acquiescence reached such a point that the president was late, hesitant and flaccid in expressing even rhetorical support for democracy demonstrators who were being brutally suppressed and whose call for regime change offered the potential for the most significant U.S. strategic advance in the region in 30 years.

They've watched America acquiesce to Russia's re-exerting sway over Eastern Europe, over Ukraine (pressured by Russia last month into extending for 25 years its lease of the Black Sea naval base at Sevastopol) and over Georgia (Russia's de facto annexation of Abkhazia and South Ossetia is no longer an issue under the Obama "reset" policy).

They've watched our appeasement of Syria, Iran's agent in the Arab Levant -- sending our ambassador back to Syria even as it tightens its grip on Lebanon, supplies Hezbollah with Scuds and intensifies its role as the pivot of the Iran-Hezbollah-Hamas alliance. The price for this ostentatious flouting of the United States and its interests? Ever more eager U.S. "engagement."

They've observed the administration's gratuitous slap at Britain over the Falklands, its contemptuous treatment of Israel, its undercutting of the Czech Republic and Poland, and its indifference to Lebanon and Georgia. And in Latin America, they see not just U.S. passivity as Venezuela's Hugo Chávez organizes his anti-American "Bolivarian" coalition while deepening military and commercial ties with Iran and Russia. They saw active U.S. support in Honduras for a pro-Chávez would-be dictator seeking unconstitutional powers in defiance of the democratic institutions of that country.

This is not just an America in decline. This is an America in retreat -- accepting, ratifying and declaring its decline, and inviting rising powers to fill the vacuum.

Nor is this retreat by inadvertence. This is retreat by design and, indeed, on principle. It's the perfect fulfillment of Obama's adopted Third World narrative of American misdeeds, disrespect and domination from which he has come to redeem us and the world. Hence his foundational declaration at the U.N. General Assembly last September that "No one nation can or should try to dominate another nation" (guess who's been the dominant nation for the last two decades?) and his dismissal of any "world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another." (NATO? The West?)

Given Obama's policies and principles, Turkey and Brazil are acting rationally. Why not give cover to Ahmadinejad and his nuclear ambitions? As the United States retreats in the face of Iran, China, Russia and Venezuela, why not hedge your bets? There's nothing to fear from Obama, and everything to gain by ingratiating yourself with America's rising adversaries. After all, they actually believe in helping one's friends and punishing one's enemies.




[Edited on 5/22/2010 by DerekFromCincinnati]

 

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  posted on 5/22/2010 at 05:22 PM
Magnificent article....i have no doubt that there are people who truly believe that wars and conflicts occur due to the projection of strength and that somehow backing down and apologizing and appeasing those who hate you will keep the peace.Sadly history shows that the opposite is true and this administrations constant projection of weakness is giving those who wish as harm confidence that they can do anything with impunity.Iran marches toward nukes and we threaten sanctions for 17 months and speak of understanding and meetings.Had the world stopped Hitler early on the world would not have been thrown into a world war and genocide.What do people think the Iranian leader who speaks daily of wiping Israel off the map and destroying the "great satan" who happens to be us....wants nukes for?i am focusing on Iran but the weakness extends to all corners of the world.Strength keeps you safe,weakness invites aggression....we are in for a difficult time if we continue down this road.
 

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  posted on 5/22/2010 at 08:05 PM
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U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack
By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: May 22, 2010


WASHINGTON — A new American intelligence analysis of a deadly torpedo attack on a South Korean warship concludes that Kim Jong-il, the ailing leader of North Korea, must have authorized the torpedo assault, according to senior American officials who cautioned that the assessment was based on their sense of the political dynamics there rather than hard evidence.

The officials said they were increasingly convinced that Mr. Kim ordered the sinking of the ship, the Cheonan, to help secure the succession of his youngest son.

“We can’t say it is established fact,” said one senior American official who was involved in the highly classified assessment, based on information collected by many of the country’s 16 intelligence agencies. “But there is very little doubt, based on what we know about the current state of the North Korean leadership and the military.”

Nonetheless, both the conclusion and the timing of the assessment could be useful to the United States as it seeks to rally support against North Korea.

On Monday, South Korea’s president, Lee Myung-bak, who has moved cautiously since the assault, is expected to call for the United Nations Security Council to condemn the attack and is likely to terminate the few remaining trade ties between North and South that provide the North with hard currency.

But those steps have little chance of proving meaningful unless China, which hosted Mr. Kim two weeks ago, agrees to join the condemnation and refuses to make up whatever revenue North Korea loses from any trade embargoes. China, North Korea’s last true ally, has traditionally been reluctant to pressure the North too much, even when the North Koreans conducted nuclear tests, for fear of toppling the government and sending a flood of refugees across its border.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will be in Beijing when the South Korean action is announced, leading a delegation of 200 American officials, including roughly half of the Obama administration’s cabinet, in an annual “strategic dialogue” with Chinese leaders on a variety of economic and political issues.

So far, at least in public, both American and South Korean leaders have been careful never to link Mr. Kim to the sinking of the Cheonan in March, which killed 46 sailors. Officials said that was in part because of the absence of hard evidence — difficult to come by in the rigidly controlled North — but also largely because both countries were trying to avoid playing into Mr. Kim’s hands by casting one of the worst attacks since the 1953 armistice as another piece of lore about the Kim family taking on South Korea and the West.

The North’s state propaganda surrounding that imagery has been used by the Kim family to sustain two generations of leaders since the end of World War II. Under the leading theory of the American intelligence agencies, Mr. Kim ordered the attack to re-establish both his control and his credentials after a debilitating stroke two years ago, and by extension reinforcing his right to name his son Kim Jong-un as his successor.

North Korea has denied any involvement in the attack, despite the presentation of forensic evidence on Thursday — including parts of the torpedo found in the wreckage — that experts from three countries said established that the torpedo was launched from a North Korean submarine.

Although the American officials who spoke about the intelligence assessment would not reveal much about what led them to conclude that Mr. Kim was directly involved, one factor appeared to be intelligence that he appeared on April 25, the anniversary of the founding of the Korean People’s Army, with a military unit that intelligence agencies believe to have been responsible for the attack.

Mr. Kim used the event to praise the group, Unit 586, the officials said, and around that time a fourth star appears to have been given to Gen. Kim Myong-guk, who officials believe may have played a crucial role in executing the attack. General Kim is believed to have been demoted to a three-star general last year, perhaps in response to the humiliation that took place after a North Korean ship ventured into South Korean waters. The North Korean ship was all but destroyed, and some analysts believe the attack on the Cheonan, which was in South Korean waters, was planned as retribution.

“Nobody is going to take overt credit for the sinking,” said Jonathan Pollack, a professor at the Naval War College and an expert on North Korea’s military. “But Kim’s visit to this unit has all the hallmarks of congratulating them for a job well done.”

The senior American officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the intelligence assessment is classified, said they ruled out the idea that General Kim or another military officer decided on his own to attack, but they did not explain how they reached that conclusion.

Victor Cha, a North Korea expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington and a former official in the National Security Council during President George W. Bush’s second term in office, noted that when Mr. Kim was on the rise three decades ago, “there were similar incidents designed to build his credibility” as a leader.

The Cheonan episode has posed some difficult choices for the Obama administration at a time when its national security team is preoccupied with Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran.

In an intense series of back-channel discussions with Mr. Lee, senior administration officials, including President Obama, have praised South Korea for its calm response. Like the South Koreans, American officials fear that any military retaliation against the North could quickly escalate, leading to rocket attacks on Seoul, major casualties and a panic among investors in South Korea. At the same time, they worry that if North Korea gets through the episode without paying a price — one that American officials decline to define — it could embolden the North Korean military.

The North Korean defense commission, which rarely issues public statements, turned out a fiery-sounding warning last week, saying it would respond to any military retaliation with “all-out war.”


 

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  posted on 5/22/2010 at 08:41 PM
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By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, May 21, 2010

It is perfectly obvious that Iran's latest uranium maneuver, brokered by Brazil and Turkey, is a ruse. Iran retains more than enough enriched uranium to make a bomb. And it continues enriching at an accelerated pace and to a greater purity (20 percent). Which is why the French foreign ministry immediately declared that the trumpeted temporary shipping of some Iranian uranium to Turkey will do nothing to halt Iran's nuclear program.

It will, however, make meaningful sanctions more difficult. America's proposed Security Council resolution is already laughably weak -- no blacklisting of Iran's central bank, no sanctions against Iran's oil and gas industry, no nonconsensual inspections on the high seas. Yet Turkey and Brazil -- both current members of the Security Council -- are so opposed to sanctions that they will not even discuss the resolution. And China will now have a new excuse to weaken it further.

But the deeper meaning of the uranium-export stunt is the brazenness with which Brazil and Turkey gave cover to the mullahs' nuclear ambitions and deliberately undermined U.S. efforts to curb Iran's program.

The real news is that already notorious photo: the president of Brazil, our largest ally in Latin America, and the prime minister of Turkey, for more than half a century the Muslim anchor of NATO, raising hands together with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the most virulently anti-American leader in the world.



That picture -- a defiant, triumphant take-that-Uncle-Sam -- is a crushing verdict on the Obama foreign policy. It demonstrates how rising powers, traditional American allies, having watched this administration in action, have decided that there's no cost in lining up with America's enemies and no profit in lining up with a U.S. president given to apologies and appeasement.

They've watched President Obama's humiliating attempts to appease Iran, as every rejected overture is met with abjectly renewed U.S. negotiating offers. American acquiescence reached such a point that the president was late, hesitant and flaccid in expressing even rhetorical support for democracy demonstrators who were being brutally suppressed and whose call for regime change offered the potential for the most significant U.S. strategic advance in the region in 30 years.

They've watched America acquiesce to Russia's re-exerting sway over Eastern Europe, over Ukraine (pressured by Russia last month into extending for 25 years its lease of the Black Sea naval base at Sevastopol) and over Georgia (Russia's de facto annexation of Abkhazia and South Ossetia is no longer an issue under the Obama "reset" policy).

They've watched our appeasement of Syria, Iran's agent in the Arab Levant -- sending our ambassador back to Syria even as it tightens its grip on Lebanon, supplies Hezbollah with Scuds and intensifies its role as the pivot of the Iran-Hezbollah-Hamas alliance. The price for this ostentatious flouting of the United States and its interests? Ever more eager U.S. "engagement."

They've observed the administration's gratuitous slap at Britain over the Falklands, its contemptuous treatment of Israel, its undercutting of the Czech Republic and Poland, and its indifference to Lebanon and Georgia. And in Latin America, they see not just U.S. passivity as Venezuela's Hugo Chávez organizes his anti-American "Bolivarian" coalition while deepening military and commercial ties with Iran and Russia. They saw active U.S. support in Honduras for a pro-Chávez would-be dictator seeking unconstitutional powers in defiance of the democratic institutions of that country.

This is not just an America in decline. This is an America in retreat -- accepting, ratifying and declaring its decline, and inviting rising powers to fill the vacuum.

Nor is this retreat by inadvertence. This is retreat by design and, indeed, on principle. It's the perfect fulfillment of Obama's adopted Third World narrative of American misdeeds, disrespect and domination from which he has come to redeem us and the world. Hence his foundational declaration at the U.N. General Assembly last September that "No one nation can or should try to dominate another nation" (guess who's been the dominant nation for the last two decades?) and his dismissal of any "world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another." (NATO? The West?)

Given Obama's policies and principles, Turkey and Brazil are acting rationally. Why not give cover to Ahmadinejad and his nuclear ambitions? As the United States retreats in the face of Iran, China, Russia and Venezuela, why not hedge your bets? There's nothing to fear from Obama, and everything to gain by ingratiating yourself with America's rising adversaries. After all, they actually believe in helping one's friends and punishing one's enemies.




[Edited on 5/22/2010 by DerekFromCincinnati]


Wow, now there is a misleading article written around half-truths.

A couple facts:

George W. Bush with all his political posturing and so called "show of strength" did not keep North Korea from building a nuclear bomb nor did it keep them from working on developing a missile that could deliver that bomb to US soil. This failure of George Bush to address a real threat instead of that fake threat in Iraq cost the US big time.

With all of George W. Bush's threats against Iran still snubbed its nose at the US. The article makes it sound like the US was having such great success with Iran and suddenly Obama changed all that. B.S.

Is the US any safer with all the US dollars and US lives lost in removing Saddam? No, if fact the debt alone the US took on put the US in a weaker position than if we would have not invaded Iraq due to those non-existent weapons of mass destruction.

The article makes a big deal about a photo. Do I need to find and post a photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands and embracing Saddam? Yeah, that photo shows they are best of friends. B.S.

Yeah Derek, the US was so successful dealing with our enemies and all of a sudden Obama comes along and ruins it all. Do you really believe that?


 

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  posted on 5/22/2010 at 10:22 PM
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By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, May 21, 2010

It is perfectly obvious that Iran's latest uranium maneuver, brokered by Brazil and Turkey, is a ruse. Iran retains more than enough enriched uranium to make a bomb. And it continues enriching at an accelerated pace and to a greater purity (20 percent). Which is why the French foreign ministry immediately declared that the trumpeted temporary shipping of some Iranian uranium to Turkey will do nothing to halt Iran's nuclear program.

It will, however, make meaningful sanctions more difficult. America's proposed Security Council resolution is already laughably weak -- no blacklisting of Iran's central bank, no sanctions against Iran's oil and gas industry, no nonconsensual inspections on the high seas. Yet Turkey and Brazil -- both current members of the Security Council -- are so opposed to sanctions that they will not even discuss the resolution. And China will now have a new excuse to weaken it further.

But the deeper meaning of the uranium-export stunt is the brazenness with which Brazil and Turkey gave cover to the mullahs' nuclear ambitions and deliberately undermined U.S. efforts to curb Iran's program.

The real news is that already notorious photo: the president of Brazil, our largest ally in Latin America, and the prime minister of Turkey, for more than half a century the Muslim anchor of NATO, raising hands together with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the most virulently anti-American leader in the world.



That picture -- a defiant, triumphant take-that-Uncle-Sam -- is a crushing verdict on the Obama foreign policy. It demonstrates how rising powers, traditional American allies, having watched this administration in action, have decided that there's no cost in lining up with America's enemies and no profit in lining up with a U.S. president given to apologies and appeasement.

They've watched President Obama's humiliating attempts to appease Iran, as every rejected overture is met with abjectly renewed U.S. negotiating offers. American acquiescence reached such a point that the president was late, hesitant and flaccid in expressing even rhetorical support for democracy demonstrators who were being brutally suppressed and whose call for regime change offered the potential for the most significant U.S. strategic advance in the region in 30 years.

They've watched America acquiesce to Russia's re-exerting sway over Eastern Europe, over Ukraine (pressured by Russia last month into extending for 25 years its lease of the Black Sea naval base at Sevastopol) and over Georgia (Russia's de facto annexation of Abkhazia and South Ossetia is no longer an issue under the Obama "reset" policy).

They've watched our appeasement of Syria, Iran's agent in the Arab Levant -- sending our ambassador back to Syria even as it tightens its grip on Lebanon, supplies Hezbollah with Scuds and intensifies its role as the pivot of the Iran-Hezbollah-Hamas alliance. The price for this ostentatious flouting of the United States and its interests? Ever more eager U.S. "engagement."

They've observed the administration's gratuitous slap at Britain over the Falklands, its contemptuous treatment of Israel, its undercutting of the Czech Republic and Poland, and its indifference to Lebanon and Georgia. And in Latin America, they see not just U.S. passivity as Venezuela's Hugo Chávez organizes his anti-American "Bolivarian" coalition while deepening military and commercial ties with Iran and Russia. They saw active U.S. support in Honduras for a pro-Chávez would-be dictator seeking unconstitutional powers in defiance of the democratic institutions of that country.

This is not just an America in decline. This is an America in retreat -- accepting, ratifying and declaring its decline, and inviting rising powers to fill the vacuum.

Nor is this retreat by inadvertence. This is retreat by design and, indeed, on principle. It's the perfect fulfillment of Obama's adopted Third World narrative of American misdeeds, disrespect and domination from which he has come to redeem us and the world. Hence his foundational declaration at the U.N. General Assembly last September that "No one nation can or should try to dominate another nation" (guess who's been the dominant nation for the last two decades?) and his dismissal of any "world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another." (NATO? The West?)

Given Obama's policies and principles, Turkey and Brazil are acting rationally. Why not give cover to Ahmadinejad and his nuclear ambitions? As the United States retreats in the face of Iran, China, Russia and Venezuela, why not hedge your bets? There's nothing to fear from Obama, and everything to gain by ingratiating yourself with America's rising adversaries. After all, they actually believe in helping one's friends and punishing one's enemies.




[Edited on 5/22/2010 by DerekFromCincinnati]


Wow, now there is a misleading article written around half-truths.

A couple facts:

George W. Bush with all his political posturing and so called "show of strength" did not keep North Korea from building a nuclear bomb nor did it keep them from working on developing a missile that could deliver that bomb to US soil. This failure of George Bush to address a real threat instead of that fake threat in Iraq cost the US big time.

With all of George W. Bush's threats against Iran still snubbed its nose at the US. The article makes it sound like the US was having such great success with Iran and suddenly Obama changed all that. B.S.

Is the US any safer with all the US dollars and US lives lost in removing Saddam? No, if fact the debt alone the US took on put the US in a weaker position than if we would have not invaded Iraq due to those non-existent weapons of mass destruction.

The article makes a big deal about a photo. Do I need to find and post a photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands and embracing Saddam? Yeah, that photo shows they are best of friends. B.S.

Yeah Derek, the US was so successful dealing with our enemies and all of a sudden Obama comes along and ruins it all. Do you really believe that?




I don't believe that Bush had all the answers and all Presidents leave a mess, but you tell me and show me what Obama has done to deter our enemies. Besides the International Apology Tour.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2010 at 10:29 PM
That is a magnificent article by Krauthammer. Whatever mistakes Bush made, Obama is surpassing them in spades. We have already lost Turkey and India and other countries are going to move to appease our adversaries due to our projection of weakness. Yes Iraq may have weakened us in a number of ways. But constantly bending the knee to our enemies and ignoring friends is a terrible mistake. You can project strength and resolve without being a bully. People thought Bush was a bully? Well Obama is seen as a weakling. Neither is good.

 

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Wow, now there is a misleading article written around half-truths.

A couple facts:

George W. Bush with all his political posturing and so called "show of strength" did not keep North Korea from building a nuclear bomb nor did it keep them from working on developing a missile that could deliver that bomb to US soil. This failure of George Bush to address a real threat instead of that fake threat in Iraq cost the US big time.

With all of George W. Bush's threats against Iran still snubbed its nose at the US. The article makes it sound like the US was having such great success with Iran and suddenly Obama changed all that. B.S.

Is the US any safer with all the US dollars and US lives lost in removing Saddam? No, if fact the debt alone the US took on put the US in a weaker position than if we would have not invaded Iraq due to those non-existent weapons of mass destruction.

The article makes a big deal about a photo. Do I need to find and post a photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands and embracing Saddam? Yeah, that photo shows they are best of friends. B.S.

Yeah Derek, the US was so successful dealing with our enemies and all of a sudden Obama comes along and ruins it all. Do you really believe that?


I'm with you. I was going to say something like so Derek and the rest of you wingnuts do you really think Iran started building a nuclear bomb 15 months ago when Barry took over?

Oh look George W is out of office lets get that bomb we've benn talking about together.

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are going to move to appease our adversaries due to our projection of weakness.


The projection of weakness started on Sept 11 when GWB didn't go blast the **** out of someone for screwing with the USA on their own turf.

Myself and many others thought you folks we're goiing to kick some ass somewhere on Sept 12 but nothing happened. Weird

 

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  posted on 5/23/2010 at 12:38 AM
Kruthammer is a dried up old curmudgeon who has lost touch with reality. What I see in that picture is two people who have their hands held aloft by the bozo in the middle, and don't seem too happy about it. People around the world know we hold elections every four years. The idea that they are going to run and embrace our enemies because they think a president looks weak is pure folly projected by people who don't even know what strength is. We'll be having an election in 2 1/2 years. World leaders know that.

 

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If we're not perceived as strong, its because of a lot more than just military power. We're headed for fiscal insolvency, have let our manufacturing base erode, can't control our own borders, have no practical energy policy, are not educating our kids to meet the demands of the modern world, and have a central govt that is broken and dishonest with it's own people. About the only thing left working reasonably well is the military. And that's only a matter of time if we don't start fixing the other serious problems, and soon.

The way we're going, our enemies need only one thing: patience.

 

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If we're not perceived as strong, its because of a lot more than just military power. We're headed for fiscal insolvency, have let our manufacturing base erode, can't control our own borders, have no practical energy policy, are not educating our kids to meet the demands of the modern world, and have a central govt that is broken and dishonest with it's own people. About the only thing left working reasonably well is the military. And that's only a matter of time if we don't start fixing the other serious problems, and soon.

The way we're going, our enemies need only one thing: patience.

Well said as usual Fujirich.

 

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There are currently a lot of global hot spots and Obama’s energy is heavily invested in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen and Iraq and he inherited these problems. Further the intensity of actions in these areas surrounding Iran could be interpreted as warning signs if Iran moves too far. It is more or less common knowledge that it will be the Israelis that take out Iran when the time arises. Even Rand Paul doesn’t think Iran is a threat. The perception of American weakness in the Middle East is an illusion perpetuated by people like Krauthammer who piece together these little fragments to make grandiose arguments that appeal primarily to people who hate Obama to begin with.

The reality is that the USA is the number one superpower in the world and there is not one nation who can mount a challenge to this status in the next 25 years.

In a recent BBC poll Obama’s favorability ratings have increased dramatically over the last two years. This means more people have a more positive perception of the US and a much less positive view of Iran and China as the negative numbers on these countries have really plummeted. In this light Krauthammer’s argument makes no sense.





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"Krauthammer needs to get a job digging ditches somewhere. He’s an insult to intelligent life"

He's a paraplegic. As to his intelligence you might try looking at his background and then come back and put his CV up beside yours. THAT would be entertaining.

 

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Nothing weakened us more financially or world reputation and standing wise then Cheney and Bush fabricating intelligence and then running into Iraq for no reason. You want to blame someone for our weakened state look no further then those 2 d-bags.

 

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We're headed for fiscal insolvency, have let our manufacturing base erode, can't control our own borders, have no practical energy policy, are not educating our kids to meet the demands of the modern world, and have a central govt that is broken and dishonest with it's own people.


Pretty much sums it up.

 

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Obama has been president for 17 months and has stood by as Iran marches towards a nuclear weapon which will be the most dangerous development in the world in our lifetimes.There is a statute of limitations on blaming george Bush and we have reached it....obama is creating a european style welfare state and spending money like a drunken sailor...the deficits in his first 2 years are Greece like and due to his putting Government in control of everything the projected deficits going forward are obscene.This is not an accident,the man intends to remake the country as he said before getting elected.This is a man who spent 20 years listening to Rev Wright and other radical left wing thinkers for 20 years,his foreign policy decisions reflect that.The United States apologized to the chinese the other day for the new Arizona immigration law,yes imagine that we apologized to a communist country where nobody has any rights of any kind.We have turned our back on our allies like Israel and britan and India...we have embraced Chavez and Castro and despots in the Muslim world.We have given up missile defense programs because the Russians demanded it even though we promised to develop it with our Eastern European allies.We refuse to refer to terror as terror and now use the term"man made disaster"....we will no longer interogate terrorists and now we give them miranda rights.We talk of giving mass murdering terrorists trials in NYC...I could go on an on....The history of weakness and appeasement is quite clear,you invite aggression with weakness and prevent it with strength
 

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  posted on 5/23/2010 at 11:09 AM
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"Krauthammer needs to get a job digging ditches somewhere. He’s an insult to intelligent life"

He's a paraplegic. As to his intelligence you might try looking at his background and then come back and put his CV up beside yours. THAT would be entertaining.


Thanks I edited that part out. He has been proficient but he has a very high ideological slant.

This tendency of the right wing here to find a new quibble every day is like dealing with live worms on your breakfast plate. At a certain stage the irritation spills over. That was the reason for the extra dig at Krauthammer which was a mistake on my part.

I can understand some difficulties with Obama and the country but if it is totally negative all the time it is really hard to take someone seriously on any point. You can take that for what it's worth. I really don't care what you think.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2010 at 11:16 AM
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I can understand some difficulties with Obama and the country but if it is totally negative all the time it is really hard to take someone seriously on any point. You can take that for what it's worth. I really don't care what you think.


I think there are people on the right here that are fair-minded enough to give props when deserved, but are having a problem finding anything. I don't want to start a problem, but what would you view as a positive....on virtually anything. Just wondering...

 

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  posted on 5/23/2010 at 11:30 AM
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Obama has been president for 17 months and has stood by as Iran marches towards a nuclear weapon which will be the most dangerous development in the world in our lifetimes.


Iran as been busy in that regard longer than 17 months.

That said, how do we stop them?

 

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  posted on 5/23/2010 at 12:33 PM
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Obama has been president for 17 months and has stood by as Iran marches towards a nuclear weapon which will be the most dangerous development in the world in our lifetimes.


Iran as been busy in that regard longer than 17 months.

That said, how do we stop them?



Maybe a few well calculated fly overs will send a message.

But seriously, we can't go that one alone, or with Israel as our only ally, but Israel is not fond of the current regime in power and vice versa. So, who helps us? Russia...Nope, China...Nope...England...Nope.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2010 at 12:35 PM
stopping iran is not an easy undertaking for sure but continued promises to have meetings and continued concessions to every despot in the world will do nothing but encourage rogue regimes around the world....to stop iran you would have to enforce sanctions with teeth...including gasoline which would cripple the iranian economy but not only are we not willing or able to do that but we just stood by and allowed russia to sell missle defense equipment to iran will will make a military option impossible.....if iran gets nukes the world turns upside down...a homocidal maniac will have the ultimate weapon of destruction and will blackmail the world....the other mid-east despots will all feel the need to acquire their nukes in defense and all of a sudden the entire region will be filled with lunatics with nukes...ironic since obama is going around bragging about the US reducing its nuclear arsenal....it seems to me that obama is resigned to iran having nukes...leaving it to israel to be forced to try to destroy the nuke program...which if it happens i am quite sure obama will openly condemn....
 

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  posted on 5/23/2010 at 12:38 PM
Thing is, none of us here...at least I think none of us here....know the full scope and damage eight years of the previous administrations foreign policy did to our standing in the world among our enemies AND allies. I'm not going to fault Obama's foreign policy just yet because I personally feel there is a lot to repair in the way of our relations with the rest of the free world.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2010 at 12:49 PM
"are not educating our kids to meet the demands of the modern world"

I'd like to see the facts that support this statement.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2010 at 12:51 PM
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Wow, now there is a misleading article written around half-truths.

A couple facts:

George W. Bush with all his political posturing and so called "show of strength" did not keep North Korea from building a nuclear bomb nor did it keep them from working on developing a missile that could deliver that bomb to US soil. This failure of George Bush to address a real threat instead of that fake threat in Iraq cost the US big time.

With all of George W. Bush's threats against Iran still snubbed its nose at the US. The article makes it sound like the US was having such great success with Iran and suddenly Obama changed all that. B.S.

Is the US any safer with all the US dollars and US lives lost in removing Saddam? No, if fact the debt alone the US took on put the US in a weaker position than if we would have not invaded Iraq due to those non-existent weapons of mass destruction.

The article makes a big deal about a photo. Do I need to find and post a photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands and embracing Saddam? Yeah, that photo shows they are best of friends. B.S.

Yeah Derek, the US was so successful dealing with our enemies and all of a sudden Obama comes along and ruins it all. Do you really believe that?


I'm with you. I was going to say something like so Derek and the rest of you wingnuts do you really think Iran started building a nuclear bomb 15 months ago when Barry took over?

Oh look George W is out of office lets get that bomb we've benn talking about together.

Wingnuts!!!


This wingnut will answer you. No I don't think it began 15 months ago when "Barry" took over. At a certain point he has to take responsibility for the policies his administration pursues. The problem with Iran specifically existed before he took office. His policies have not only done nothing to resolve the problem they have made it worse.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2010 at 12:54 PM
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Kruthammer is a dried up old curmudgeon who has lost touch with reality. What I see in that picture is two people who have their hands held aloft by the bozo in the middle, and don't seem too happy about it. People around the world know we hold elections every four years. The idea that they are going to run and embrace our enemies because they think a president looks weak is pure folly projected by people who don't even know what strength is. We'll be having an election in 2 1/2 years. World leaders know that.


I respect you but "Kruthammer is a dried up old cumudgeon who has lost touch with reality" is not a reasonable response. The fact is that nation's pursue their own interests and if certain nation's which have relied on American strength come to see American weakness they will begin to move in a different direction to protect their own interests. This happens time and time again. In my opinion Obama and his advisers are the ones who have lost touch with reality. They seem to think apologizing over and over again for American misdeeds will get adversarial nations to like us. It's as dumb as when Bush said he "looked into Putin's soul." This is not about partisan politics for me. It's about my beliefs on geo-politics. I would support anyone of any party whose ideas I agree with. I think Obama is woefully misguided.

 

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