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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:47 AM
Rand Paul: Obama BP criticism 'un-American'

GOP Senate candidate is under fire for comments about civil rights law

WASHINGTON - Kentucky Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul said Friday that President Barack Obama's criticism of BP in the wake of the Gulf oil debacle sounds "really un-American."

Paul, already facing a backlash over remarks earlier this week about civil rights legislation, criticized the Obama administration for declaring it will put its "boot heel on the throat of BP." White House spokesman Robert Gibbs used similar language shortly after the spill.

In an interview Friday on ABC's "Good Morning America," Paul says the president's response is part of the "blame game" that's played in the United States.

Paul said that leads to the thinking that tragic incidents are "always someone's fault" and added, sometimes accidents just happen.

Paul began the interview on the defensive when GMA host George Stephanopoulos tried to clarify Paul's position on whether civil rights laws should apply to private businesses. Paul, who won the Kentucky GOP primary Tuesday, asked when his honeymoon with the media started.

On Thursday, Paul labored to explain remarks suggesting businesses be allowed to deny service to blacks without fear of federal interference, declaring, "I abhor racial discrimination."

In a written statement, Paul said, "I believe we should work to end all racism in American society and staunchly defend the inherent rights of every person."

Paul told CNN he would have voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, a statement he declined to make one day earlier.

On Wednesday, Paul expressed support for the act's provisions banning discrimination in public facilities, but he had misgivings about extending the same requirement to private businesses then or now.

"Do you think that a private business has the right to say we don't serve black people?" he was asked by MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Wednesday.

"Yes. I'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form," Paul said at the beginning of a lengthy answer in which he likened the question to one about limiting freedom of speech for racists. "I don't want to be associated with those people, but I also don't want to limit their speech in any way in the sense that we tolerate boorish and uncivilized behavior because that's one of the things freedom requires."

The issue arose little more than 24 hours after the political novice swept to a landslide Republican primary victory, defeating a rival recruited by Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell and others who feared Paul's brand of conservatism might make him unelectable in the fall. The seat is currently held by retiring Republican Sen. Jim Bunning, and the party can ill afford to lose it if it is to seriously challenge Democratic control in the fall.

Paul, 47 and an eye surgeon, is making his first run for public office, and his emergence as a favorite of tea party activists has been one of the most striking developments of the early months of the midterm election campaign. In an appearance on primary night, he credited their support with powering him to his victory, and the first opinion poll since then shows him with a commanding lead over his Democratic rival, Jack Conway.

Conway, the Kentucky attorney general, criticized his rival's comments on race, saying Paul has a "narrow political philosophy that has dangerous consequences for working families, veterans, students, the disabled and those without a voice in the halls of power."

Paul blamed the 24-hour news cycle for the controversy, a point his father, Rep. Ron Paul, emphasized.

In a sometimes testy exchange with reporters in the Capitol, he said liberals were treating his son unfairly and reporters were hoping to stop his political momentum with a "gotcha" based on out-of-context remarks.

"Making something out of nothing is just not fair," he said. "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37273085/ns/politics-decision_2010/

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:50 AM
What kind of name is Rand?

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:51 AM
Open mouth, insert other foot! This guy isn't shaping up to be the candidate I beleive people were hoping to have.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:53 AM
Maybe short for Randall.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 12:11 PM
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Maybe short for Randall.



According to Wikipedia, his name is Randal.
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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 12:12 PM
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Maybe short for Randall.



According to Wikipedia, his name is Randal.
I win!!!!


Alex Trebeck probably wouldn't give it to you, due to the spelling.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 12:13 PM
I think he's named after the atlas.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 12:15 PM
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Maybe short for Randall.



According to Wikipedia, his name is Randal.
I win!!!!


Alex Trebeck probably wouldn't give it to you, due to the spelling.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1SvsOWQlAA

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 12:18 PM
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"Do you think that a private business has the right to say we don't serve black people?" he was asked by MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Wednesday.

"Yes. I'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form," Paul said at the beginning of a lengthy answer in which he likened the question to one about limiting freedom of speech for racists. "I don't want to be associated with those people, but I also don't want to limit their speech in any way in the sense that we tolerate boorish and uncivilized behavior because that's one of the things freedom requires."



This is one of those questions where the longer you explain your answer the worse it gets.

"I don't think thats really the issue, Rachel," followed by some spin swerve would have worked better.

 

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According to Wikipedia, his name is Randal.
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Alex Trebeck probably wouldn't give it to you, due to the spelling.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1SvsOWQlAA


I actually watch Jeopardy and my judgement of Trebeck is totally clouded by my exposure to those SNL skits, which I find totally hilarious.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 12:21 PM
I had MSNBC on in the background Wednesday afternoon and they talked about this story for what seemed like every minute for most of 3 hours.

Rand's views are very similar to his father's. With some core libertarian values it isn't surprising they would take some exception with what and how the federal government dictates to private businesses.

It isn't like he is against civil rights legislation in the broad sense, in fact he said that his opposition to some specifics in the bills would not have prevented him from supporting the bills in total. So the Paul's aren't displaying some subtle racism as people have accused, instead it is a limited role of govt. Would you be surprised if Rand said he was against affirmative action? Of course not, you'd expect him to be against it. Just because somebody doesn't believe in 100% of a civil rights issue doesn't mean that makes them a racist.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 12:26 PM
Should a business have the right to refuse to serve certain people?

If I have a little diner, and I'm behind the counter doing the cooking, and serving people their food, should I get to decide who I will or will not cook for?

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 12:27 PM
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I had MSNBC on in the background Wednesday afternoon and they talked about this story for what seemed like every minute for most of 3 hours.

Rand's views are very similar to his father's. With some core libertarian values it isn't surprising they would take some exception with what and how the federal government dictates to private businesses.

It isn't like he is against civil rights legislation in the broad sense, in fact he said that his opposition to some specifics in the bills would not have prevented him from supporting the bills in total. So the Paul's aren't displaying some subtle racism as people have accused, instead it is a limited role of govt. Would you be surprised if Rand said he was against affirmative action? Of course not, you'd expect him to be against it. Just because somebody doesn't believe in 100% of a civil rights issue doesn't mean that makes them a racist.


Hmmm.

Suggesting that it's OK to refuse people service based on the color of their skin takes things back 50 years, puts Rosa Parks back to the back of the bus.

This is one of the times where Libertarians confuse the hell out of me. In this instance, government intervention is bad and needs to be limited, so, say, where does the Health Department fit in such a private business scenario?

It's not just Federal government, either. The smoking bans are evidence of that.

 

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Should a business have the right to refuse to serve certain people?

If I have a little diner, and I'm behind the counter doing the cooking, and serving people their food, should I get to decide who I will or will not cook for?




You pretty much already do, but sell some extra pancakes to afford the lawyer for the discrimination lawsuit. If you have a liquor license in your diner, you can tell someone to turn around and leave as soon as they cross the threshhold, you don't even need a reason.

So, the answer is, sell pancakes and beer and you are all good...

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 12:32 PM
Is this guy for real????? I thought there was only one George W Bush but the Republicans keep running these jaboneis out there who defy logic. Keep people like him, Palin and Limbaugh at the forefront of your party and the Republicans will never go anywhere.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 12:33 PM
I don't think his answer would have had the same impact had they not unearthed something with a 'like mind' he wrote in 2002.

I think the bottom line of the civil rights act is that anything that's open to the public has to be integrated.....I'm not certain that applies to private clubs in which anyone may be excluded. I really don't have an opinion about this guy because I don't know that much about him other than what's been in the news.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 01:09 PM
What Rand Paul was getting at is that it's not the governments place to pass laws that try to make us "nice" people or "good" people. Once that starts there's no end to it. You hope that a person decides that on their own, but it should be left up to the individual. That's the take I get, at least.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 01:21 PM
Rand is for limited Federal Government and personal libery. I'm pretty libertarian at the national level and I don't agree with everything he stands for, but I'd vote for him in one second. We need some people in Congress who want to scale back the deficit in a real way. He wants a balanced budget amendment, wants every bill to have a provision explaining where in the Constitution the authority exists for Congress related to the new law, get rid of Corporate welfare and farm subsidies that prop up multi-national corporations, and wants completely ineffective departments of government just done away with at the national level.

If we want new spending in the middle of the year (like extending national unemployment benefits), he wants the bill to show where we are cutting another budget line item first where the money hasn't been spent yet -- just like you'd have to do in business or in most States.

The debt we are leaving the next generation is biggest moral issue facing our country. At least Rand is consisent - he doesn't want the Federal Gov't authority expanded to enforce other societal things that some Republicans like Rush find convenient to support like the war on drugs.

 

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And any comparison to GW Bush with Rand seems way off the mark. Bush was for larger national government via nation building, larger welfare programs like the prescription drug Medicare benefit, war on drugs, bank bailouts. He had more in common with many liberals than Rand Paul.

 

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Maybe Paul is for limited Federal Government but he sure seems to have Corporate ass kisser disease just like the rest of the politicians.

 

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And any comparison to GW Bush with Rand seems way off the mark. Bush was for larger national government via nation building, larger welfare programs like the prescription drug Medicare benefit, war on drugs, bank bailouts. He had more in common with many liberals than Rand Paul.


The comparison comes from some of the outlandish things he says like Obama's criticism of BP is un American. For real, how could you take someone who says something like that seriously????? Personally, I think with what has transpired that to not criticize BP is un American!!!! You may agree with some of this guys opinions about our debt and what should be done but that alone isn't nearly enough to override most of the drivel that comes out of his mouth.

 

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Maybe Paul is for limited Federal Government but he sure seems to have Corporate ass kisser disease just like the rest of the politicians.


This pretty well sums him up. Paul is really trying to position himself as a pro-corporate mouth piece. I wonder who this kind of stuff appeals to besides the corporate elite?

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 02:08 PM
I saw the interview...he didn't say that criticism of BP was unamerican. That's someone else incorrectly paraphrasing what he said in the interview via a headline.

Rand is the opposite of the corporate cozy politician. He has the stones to say end farm subsidies because they are going to multi-national corporations, and we should cut the federal budget and dry up the reason corporations spend some much time/$$ lobbying in the first place etc. If he had his way, you'd really have an end to the corporate welfare that so many here object to.

 

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And any comparison to GW Bush with Rand seems way off the mark. Bush was for larger national government via nation building, larger welfare programs like the prescription drug Medicare benefit, war on drugs, bank bailouts. He had more in common with many liberals than Rand Paul.


The comparison comes from some of the outlandish things he says like Obama's criticism of BP is un American. For real, how could you take someone who says something like that seriously????? Personally, I think with what has transpired that to not criticize BP is un American!!!! You may agree with some of this guys opinions about our debt and what should be done but that alone isn't nearly enough to override most of the drivel that comes out of his mouth.


Still trying to figure out how criticizing a foreign company (BP) for ruining the lives of thousands of American fishermen and the ruining the American tourism industry is un-American??????

 
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