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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 06:42 AM
This sums up my feelings on immigration perfectly. Thank you Congressman McClintock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JDo36xPYgE

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 06:43 AM
Apologies to BigV who already posted a link to this speech.

[Edited on 5/21/2010 by BigDaveOnBass]

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 07:04 AM
Love it, needs to be said a lot louder and a lot more frequently.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 07:42 AM
I caught just a little bit yesterday of Obama and Mexico Pres speeches. I have to admit I was getting pretty po'd. The Mexican Govt needs to get their **** together along with the rest of their country. Was glad to see someone spoke-up on this. Good delivery, well said.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 09:29 AM
You took the words right out of my mouth, oh it must have been when you were kissing me.....

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 10:21 AM
I don't give much of a rip about Calderon's speech. What I agree with is McClintock's quotation of Teddy Roosevelt. If you want to live in America and experience the liberties and rights afforded to us AS Americans, ASSIMILATE.

[Edited on 5/21/2010 by BigDaveOnBass]

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 10:31 AM
I don't care how he tried to soften it up WBD. He has no business mischaracterizing our laws in front of Congress. The AZ law does not permit profiling. It mirrors Federal law, and only seeks to enforce that which the Feds refuse to do. And in the end, it requires the Federal govt - via ICE - to take action if someone is identified as being here illegally. AZ isn't deporting anyone. They're just checking with ICE for status, and then giving them to the Feds from there if illegal.

Eff Calderon, and Obama, for consistently ignoring what AZ's actions do or don't do. I'm fairly certain neither has actually read the law, just like all the administration hacks who spout off and echo false claims.

And don't kid yourself that Calderon doesn't want amnesty. If too many illegals return to his country, or if they lose too much of the wealth that is sent back to Mexico from workers who have sought jobs here, they're in trouble.

What's wrong with the conservative media using Mexico's own immigration laws as a model for what we should do? Or as an obvious reason that Calderon should shut up and mind his business? Mexico's laws are far more harsh than ours. They involve serious jail time for being there illegally. They can ask for ID for no other associated reason, at any time they want. They can and do deny immigration based on race!

Eff Calderon!

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 10:44 AM
Earth to Calderon: Generally, Mexico it a total basket case. Specifically, before you come up here as a guest and lie about the Arizona law, check your own immigration laws.

Comprende?

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 10:55 AM
Just read Calderon's speech in the Congressional Record. Hmmm. Pretty long speech to dismiss because of three sentences. Oh well.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 10:59 AM
I don't disagree with the gentleman from California. While I haven't watched any of Calderon's speech, he needs to clean up his own house. Consider our immigration laws, and Mexico's, and there is definitely some hypocrisy there.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:00 AM
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we will retain our firm rejection to criminalize migration so that people that work and provide things to this nation will be treated as criminals.


That is from the Wednesday press conference at the White House. http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/05/obama_with_calderon_again_blas.html

Calderon rejects criminalizing migration, those entering our country illegally should not be treated as criminals? Should I interpret this some other way?

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:09 AM
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we will retain our firm rejection to criminalize migration so that people that work and provide things to this nation will be treated as criminals.


That is from the Wednesday press conference at the White House. http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/05/obama_with_calderon_again_blas.html

Calderon rejects criminalizing migration, those entering our country illegally should not be treated as criminals? Should I interpret this some other way?


That passage of his there is very poorly worded on his part. He's weaseling, because he doesn't say whether or not he's talking about legal or illegal migration.

I get where Obama is coming from on the AZ law, I don't quite understand Calderon's POV because he's avoiding specifics.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:16 AM
From the same Wednesday press conference President Obama said this:

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people who break the law by breaching our borders being held accountable by paying taxes and a penalty and getting right with the law before they can earn their citizenship


So our President would rather see these law breakers remain in our country, pay a monetary fine, allow them to "get right with the law", a towards to a presumed "path to citizenship" seemingly as a reward for their illegal behavior. Bravo! Not.

Has anyone here ever been subjected to the full wrath of the IRS for owing back taxes? I have a family member that the IRS has had him by the balls for years for some errors he admittedly made in his business operations. It has been financially devastating for him, nothing short of a nightmare. Think our federal govt will unleash the same full force and tactics to recoup back taxes from illegal aliens? Think the illegals actually have means to pay such back taxes? Hardly. I suspect these people will be forgiven of their debts and allowed to proceed on their path to citizenship. It is wrong.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:24 AM
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we will retain our firm rejection to criminalize migration so that people that work and provide things to this nation will be treated as criminals.


That is from the Wednesday press conference at the White House. http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/05/obama_with_calderon_again_blas.html

Calderon rejects criminalizing migration, those entering our country illegally should not be treated as criminals? Should I interpret this some other way?


That passage of his there is very poorly worded on his part. He's weaseling, because he doesn't say whether or not he's talking about legal or illegal migration.

I get where Obama is coming from on the AZ law, I don't quite understand Calderon's POV because he's avoiding specifics.


I think truth be known he does mean illegal migration.

In the speech to congress he does tell how migration hurts their communities. However, I don't believe it. I believe that illegal immigration is needed for their country. Mexico is a mess. The border into America is like a relief valve, as escape hatch that keeps dangerous pressure from building up in their country that could lead to wider spread unrest. This and the remittances that the Mexicans send back to their home country to their families there are an important influx to the Mexican economy. In my opinion, Mexico needs migration to continue into America, whether it is legal or illegal doesn't matter to Calderon, as long as it continues period. He doesn't want migration to be restricted or criminalized, doing so spells trouble for him and his country.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:25 AM
The reason we let things get so bad is because most Americans were working at good jobs and enjoying the good life, and turning a blind eye to things going on around them. That is changing now.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:32 AM
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1005/19/sitroom.01.html


BLITZER: So if people want to come from Guatemala or Honduras or El Salvador or Nicaragua, they want to just come into Mexico, they can just walk in?

CALDERON: No. They need to fulfill a form. They need to establish their right name. We analyze if they have not a criminal precedent. And they coming into Mexico. Actually...

BLITZER: Do Mexican police go around asking for papers of people they suspect are illegal immigrants?

CALDERON: Of course. Of course, in the border, we are asking the people, who are you?

And if they explain...

BLITZER: At the border, I understand, when they come in.

CALDERON: Yes.

BLITZER: But once they're in...

CALDERON: But not -- but not in -- if -- once they are inside the -- inside the country, what the Mexican police do is, of course, enforce the law. But by any means, immigration is a crime anymore in Mexico.

BLITZER: Immigration is not a crime, you're saying?

CALDERON: It's not a crime.

BLITZER: So in other words, if somebody sneaks in from Nicaragua or some other country in Central America, through the southern border of Mexico, they wind up in Mexico, they can go get a job...

CALDERON: No, no.

BLITZER: They can work.

CALDERON: If -- if somebody do that without permission, we send back -- we send back them.

BLITZER: You find them and you send them back?

CALDERON: Yes.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:37 AM
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From the same Wednesday press conference President Obama said this:

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people who break the law by breaching our borders being held accountable by paying taxes and a penalty and getting right with the law before they can earn their citizenship


So our President would rather see these law breakers remain in our country, pay a monetary fine, allow them to "get right with the law", a towards to a presumed "path to citizenship" seemingly as a reward for their illegal behavior. Bravo! Not.

Has anyone here ever been subjected to the full wrath of the IRS for owing back taxes? I have a family member that the IRS has had him by the balls for years for some errors he admittedly made in his business operations. It has been financially devastating for him, nothing short of a nightmare. Think our federal govt will unleash the same full force and tactics to recoup back taxes from illegal aliens? Think the illegals actually have means to pay such back taxes? Hardly. I suspect these people will be forgiven of their debts and allowed to proceed on their path to citizenship. It is wrong.


This is the whole paragraph...

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To fix our broken immigration system, I reaffirmed my deep commitment to working with Congress in a bipartisan way to pass comprehensive immigration reform. And comprehensive reform means accountability for everybody: government that is accountable for securing the border; businesses being held accountable when they exploit workers; people who break the law by breaching our borders being held accountable by paying taxes and a penalty and getting right with the law before they can earn their citizenship. We've been working hard to get this done. There's a strong proposal in the Senate, based on a bipartisan framework, and it can and should move forward.


I read that as before you can become a citizen, you have to get straight with the law. Logic would suggest the only way to get right with the law would be to leave and come back and try legally. Or, there could be a train of thought that if you are caught illegal, you can never become a citizen.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:45 AM
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The reason we let things get so bad is because most Americans were working at good jobs and enjoying the good life, and turning a blind eye to things going on around them. That is changing now.


Exactly , after Reagan granted the fast track amnesty to the 10,000,000 illegals, the economy was fabulous under Clinton and nobody gave a rip.

 

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From the same Wednesday press conference President Obama said this:

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people who break the law by breaching our borders being held accountable by paying taxes and a penalty and getting right with the law before they can earn their citizenship


So our President would rather see these law breakers remain in our country, pay a monetary fine, allow them to "get right with the law", a towards to a presumed "path to citizenship" seemingly as a reward for their illegal behavior. Bravo! Not.

Has anyone here ever been subjected to the full wrath of the IRS for owing back taxes? I have a family member that the IRS has had him by the balls for years for some errors he admittedly made in his business operations. It has been financially devastating for him, nothing short of a nightmare. Think our federal govt will unleash the same full force and tactics to recoup back taxes from illegal aliens? Think the illegals actually have means to pay such back taxes? Hardly. I suspect these people will be forgiven of their debts and allowed to proceed on their path to citizenship. It is wrong.


This is the whole paragraph...

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To fix our broken immigration system, I reaffirmed my deep commitment to working with Congress in a bipartisan way to pass comprehensive immigration reform. And comprehensive reform means accountability for everybody: government that is accountable for securing the border; businesses being held accountable when they exploit workers; people who break the law by breaching our borders being held accountable by paying taxes and a penalty and getting right with the law before they can earn their citizenship. We've been working hard to get this done. There's a strong proposal in the Senate, based on a bipartisan framework, and it can and should move forward.


I read that as before you can become a citizen, you have to get straight with the law. Logic would suggest the only way to get right with the law would be to leave and come back and try legally. Or, there could be a train of thought that if you are caught illegal, you can never become a citizen.


Things like this take compromise. So then my compromise would be that anyone here illegally prior to a specific date will be given the opportunity to prove what they might have paid in employment taxes and what they might still owe. Compare that with what the IRS might believe they owe and come up with a figure. Then those people who enter into a binding agreement to pay their outstanding financial debts can go on a probationary period where they can ultimately become a citizen at some point in the future.

However, if they can not pay their debts, or if they break the terms of their agreement to do so, then they would be imprisoned and deported back to their home country, no and ifs or buts.

What I don't want and what I think the quote that I highlighted from President Obama implied was deportation would be off the table for people who breach our border illegally. It absolutely should be on the table as a means to deal with people who keep coming here illegally.

So that is my compromise, this coming from somebody who favors a more heavy hand for dealing with illegal immigration. I would expect the other side to then follow with a compromise as well. Such as any illegal found to have entered into our country past a specific date will not be allowed to stay under any circumstances what-so-ever. At that point they would be arrested, go to jail, have a hearing and if found guilty would be deported in the fastest means possible.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 12:11 PM
Or, as my mentor Tommy Meeks used to tell me in the late 70s, "Prosperity is killin' 'em."

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 01:01 PM
This is one of those issues where I take a huge right hand turn. I couldn't agree more with the Congressman. If it were up to me we would build a huge wall similar in size and stature to the Great Wall of China along with rotating National Guard to keep it secure. Maybe offer illegal aliens from Mexico a shot at amnesty if they help build the wall and agree to assimilate !!! This guy Calderon as well as the Mexican leaders who preceded him are a bunch of hypocrites who have zero respect for us or our laws. They believe it is their right to come and go wherever they want whenever they want and most Americans are sick to death of it. Even a large percentage of those who lean left politically like myself want the illegals out.

 

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Another aspect of this, from an Atlanta TV station I think. Looks like they're not all coming here to "do the jobs Americans won't."

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438021/index.html



 

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This is one of those issues where I take a huge right hand turn. I couldn't agree more with the Congressman. If it were up to me we would build a huge wall similar in size and stature to the Great Wall of China along with rotating National Guard to keep it secure. Maybe offer illegal aliens from Mexico a shot at amnesty if they help build the wall and agree to assimilate !!! This guy Calderon as well as the Mexican leaders who preceded him are a bunch of hypocrites who have zero respect for us or our laws. They believe it is their right to come and go wherever they want whenever they want and most Americans are sick to death of it. Even a large percentage of those who lean left politically like myself want the illegals out.

I think many of the illegals themselves would want to be back with their families rather than work 16 or 18 hours a day for little pay and that is when they can find work.

There is increasing pressure in Mexico to close their economy as well. This would mean nationalizing energy and agricultural farms and to start heavily taxing corporations if they continue to operate in Mexico.

US consumers need to realize that their whole standard of living is being subsidized not only by cheap labor but the economic process that brings this labor to the US. We buy electronics at Bestbuy that have been produced in the same shops on the border that illegals use as a source of cash to sneak across the border. We eat the produce grown on the commercial farms in Mexico and Central America. Until someone creates new opportunities for them in Mexico illegals will find a way in to the US.

An immediate option might be to get Mexico to move the foreign corporations to southern Mexico away from the border. This would create economic development in the south where it is badly needed.

One important point to remember is that when Latinos do not assimilate they limit their competitive opportunities in the US. In Canada linguistic nationalists in Quebec squandered the lives of a number of generations to fight for bilingualism. Latinos with their cultural holidays and flags are doing the same thing. This kind of idiotic behavior not only creates tension in the US but turns Latinos into second class citizens.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 03:32 PM
I agree with this guy, calderone needs to tend to the problems in his own country, and butt the f#ck out of ours.

 

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Another aspect of this, from an Atlanta TV station I think. Looks like they're not all coming here to "do the jobs Americans won't."

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/23438021/index.html




Americans are kept in the dark about this [people o.t.m coming through our borders] I have been told by border patrol and custom agents that middle easterners and chinese have been coming across on a regular basis.

 

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