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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:11 PM
If my Dad was alive, I'd ask him this, but he went Home in 1989, so I'm bringing it to the experts here. I moved into a house in the redwood forest a few weeks ago. I mean that literally. I'm completely surrounded by forest, for many miles, with a few houses in the area I'm in. It isn't unusual to see deer grazing around my house. In fact, there are two groups of four who pass through every day. We know they are two different groups, as all four in one group are a darker color than those in the other group. I mentioned before that my neighbors saw my cat Rusty touch noses with one of them. They have no fear of man, obviously, as deer hunting has not been allowed in these mountains in decades. There are 35-50 mountain lions in this county, according to estimates, so they do have natural enemies.

So today I came home from town and walked around to the end of the house to check on my plants. I have a fence around them to keep the deer away. I looked at the plants for a bit, talking to the cats the whole time, and went inside. I walked back to my bedroom and looked out the back window, and noticed a 4-point buck (still velvety) lying on the ground about 20 feet behind the house. He's was there in plain view the whole time I was looking at the plants. not 30 feet away. Apparently I didn't scare him.

He's still lying out there right now. I'm not going to bother him. I just wonder if he might be sick or something. It is still full daylight here, and he's just lying there looking down the hill. I know deer bed down during the day, but they usually have pretty hidden spots. There isn't a lot of activity here, but there are other houses he can see from where he is lying. Maybe he's just relaxed and chilling out. Any thoughts?

And no, I don't have a camera. I wish I did.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:27 PM
Maybe he was able to get to your plants and is contemplating the universe? Otherwise, I have no I-deer!
 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:31 PM
The plants are fine, and he appears to be sleeping now. I think it is way cool. Last week I saw one reach up with her hind foot and scratch behind her ear. A few months ago I saw a deer shake like a dog, shaking the rain off. But this is the first one who decided to chill out right here in the yard. I was looking out the window earlier, and I know he saw he.

Yep, he's curled up and snoozing.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:34 PM
I just came back from checking my dinner, and he's awake and now he's scratching behind his ears with his hind foot, while lying down.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 10:11 PM
The plants are just little babies. Four are Snow Cap X Northern Lights, and two are L.A. Woman. That's all I have right now, but I'll be getting more. I'm going to get quite a few more of the SC X NL, since I'm sure I'll have some males in the group. The two L.A. Woman are from feminized seeds, so I should have two girls there. I'm just getting started. I'll have a bunch more plants in the next few weeks. This is my first outdoor grow.

Well, the deer is up and grazing at the end of the house with another 4 point buck, so maybe he was just waiting for his buddy. I just thought it was strange he would be lying down, especially with me walking around talking, but I guess they just have no fear of me. That's fine with me. As long as they stay away from my crop, we'll get along fine.

[Edited on 5/21/2010 by SantaCruzBluz]

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 10:28 PM
Right on. That will make the summer last even longer, the anticipation.

Scott, I have friends with outdoor plants that are 6 feet high already. I have one friend who has one that has been outside for a couple months, and is already flowering! We have no idea what is going on with that, but the days are getting longer, and those buds are getting fatter. Now another plant in his garden is starting to flower. There are plants in the house, under lights, about 50 feet away that are flowering so maybe they are communicating with each other or something.

But no, it isn't too early. We won't get any more frosts, don't get many anyway, and the rain should be over. It will be hot weather, with the occasional foggy day, from now to November. I just have a little wire around them now, but a 6 foot privacy fence will be going in next week, mainly because of the deer, and I'll keep them trimmed below that height. Maybe. Or if I have one that wants to reach the sky, maybe I'll let it. I'm going to plant these in the ground when the fence is up. They are still in cups now. My place is private, except the few houses around, where I'm sure other plants are growing, so I don't have to worry too much about anything except getting ripped off. But people around these parts know that where there are plants, there might be guns, so I'm not real worried about that.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 10:31 PM
Speaking of pot I heard the average cost of the illicit weed is on its way down. Medical strains and everyone growing it in their backyards are killing the underworld controlled market.

California dreams of a green tax on marijuana are drying up because the cost per oz is dropping.

Don't spend too much on a computerized drip irrigation system just yet outdoor grow folk

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 10:39 PM
The price hasn't dropped any here, although I am paying a lot less now than I was 5 years ago. That just has to do with knowing the right people, though, and having grown myself. Everybody and their brother grows here. Street price of most weed is $50 an eighth, $350 and ounce, but I've been paying as little as $200 an ounce at times. I get my weed almost exclusively now by trading pipes, and lots of people just seem to want to give weed to the pipe guy, which is fine by me.

LOL about the irrigation system. There's a hose right next to the plants, although I'll be adding nutrients. I always used filtered water indoors. I'll probably just use water from the hose now. Run into a bucket so I can add goodies and let it warm up. The tap water here will freeze your ass.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:14 AM
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Right on. That will make the summer last even longer, the anticipation.

Scott, I have friends with outdoor plants that are 6 feet high already. I have one friend who has one that has been outside for a couple months, and is already flowering! We have no idea what is going on with that, but the days are getting longer, and those buds are getting fatter. Now another plant in his garden is starting to flower. There are plants in the house, under lights, about 50 feet away that are flowering so maybe they are communicating with each other or something.

But no, it isn't too early. We won't get any more frosts, don't get many anyway, and the rain should be over. It will be hot weather, with the occasional foggy day, from now to November. I just have a little wire around them now, but a 6 foot privacy fence will be going in next week, mainly because of the deer, and I'll keep them trimmed below that height. Maybe. Or if I have one that wants to reach the sky, maybe I'll let it. I'm going to plant these in the ground when the fence is up. They are still in cups now. My place is private, except the few houses around, where I'm sure other plants are growing, so I don't have to worry too much about anything except getting ripped off. But people around these parts know that where there are plants, there might be guns, so I'm not real worried about that.

That's awesome. By too early I just meant that's a long time to be taking care of some plants, and that they are going to be tall and wonderful. I'm accustomed to smaller babies that I only have to love for 90 days or so.

Your buddy's plants may be part or full Ruderalis (AKA auto-flowering). Auto-flowering plants will bud up regardless of the light cycles -- they'll flower under 24 hours of light if that's what they gotta do.


I've thought about the height, but I like to pinch them and keep them bushy, anyway. I've only had the short crops before, too. Let them get as big and bushy as you want, then cut back the lights. One thing I'm finding already growing outdoors is there isn't near as much to do. They are weeds. Let 'em grow. I "check on 'em," which means I look at them to see if thee are any bugs, or if they've been nibbled. But the humidity and temperature are what they are. No exhaust system to run.

Once I get a proper fence up, I'll dig holes for each one at least 20 inches in diameter, and 3 feet deep. I'll fill the holes with FarmFox potting soil, and put the babies in the ground. After that, it will mostly be letting them grow. I'll post some pics at some point.

We know all about the autoflowering, and ruderalis, and this plant isn't one of those. I guess it just goes to show that not everything in creation follows the schedule. An anomaly, if you will. Nothing like an early harvest.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:21 AM
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If my Dad was alive, I'd ask him this, but he went Home in 1989, so I'm bringing it to the experts here. I moved into a house in the redwood forest a few weeks ago. I mean that literally. I'm completely surrounded by forest, for many miles, with a few houses in the area I'm in. It isn't unusual to see deer grazing around my house. In fact, there are two groups of four who pass through every day. We know they are two different groups, as all four in one group are a darker color than those in the other group. I mentioned before that my neighbors saw my cat Rusty touch noses with one of them. They have no fear of man, obviously, as deer hunting has not been allowed in these mountains in decades. There are 35-50 mountain lions in this county, according to estimates, so they do have natural enemies.

So today I came home from town and walked around to the end of the house to check on my plants. I have a fence around them to keep the deer away. I looked at the plants for a bit, talking to the cats the whole time, and went inside. I walked back to my bedroom and looked out the back window, and noticed a 4-point buck (still velvety) lying on the ground about 20 feet behind the house. He's was there in plain view the whole time I was looking at the plants. not 30 feet away. Apparently I didn't scare him.

He's still lying out there right now. I'm not going to bother him. I just wonder if he might be sick or something. It is still full daylight here, and he's just lying there looking down the hill. I know deer bed down during the day, but they usually have pretty hidden spots. There isn't a lot of activity here, but there are other houses he can see from where he is lying. Maybe he's just relaxed and chilling out. Any thoughts?

And no, I don't have a camera. I wish I did.


Honestly, I've never seen deer do this during broad daylight. Since deer hunting hasn't been allowed in decades there, I suppose the deer is escaping the mountain lions...maybe the mountain lions are somewhat afraid of civilization, and the deer know this. Up here, the deer are skiddish. They typically bed down in weeds during the day, and they come out at night and graze. My dog Boomer sometime sees them outside at night and wakes up everybody in the house to let them know. Hunting is still alive and well up here, and I guess the deer here know this too. I haven't done it in years...too many trigger happy whackos out there these days.


Charlie, I guess it is the fact they don't fear people, and may even feel a little safer around them, as you suggest. But there was nothing wrong with this one, as I could see when he joined the other young buck to graze a little later. I'm happy to have them here. The cats apparently like them, too.

In some areas, when the deer come down and become too domesticated, people fear that the mountain lions will follow them down, as was happening around Gardnerville, NV. But these deer aren't "coming down." They live deep in the forest. I came up where they are. I'm sure I live in the territory of a mountain lion, though I doubt I ever see one. My neighbor said a few years back that there were a lot of feral cats in the area, originating from one house, which led to coyotes in the area, and eventual mountain lion sightings. The cats have been gone a few years, and the big animals disappeared as well. He hasn't seen or heard a coyote in several years, but has skunks under his house, and raccoons are always around.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 11:45 AM
these are just suggestions from years of growing 'maters. unless you have real **** ty soil, I wouldnt break my back digging a 3 foot deep holes. And if your soil is that bad, just get a 20 gallon (nothing smaller, larger the better) rubbermaid tub and fill with container mix not topsoil (holds too much moisture). if you know how to root cuttings you really dont need any additonal plants either. you can clone the best of the bunch. good luck with your california tomatos

 

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...so I can comment on a thread where it is news that a deer can scratch the back of its ear with its hind hoof, has velvet on its antlers in the month of May, shakes water off its fur like other mammals and you can't hunt them in the mountains? Wow. California. I do believe I'll let PhotoRon handle this one.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 12:03 PM
Thanks, Goober.

The soil here is probably fine, but I've dug so many damn holes in my life that to not dig holes and amend the soil just wouldn't work for me. I like working with post hole diggers.

I want as many of the SC X NL as I can get, because I figure at least half will probably be males. They came from seeds. I just like the way Snow Cap grows, and these are readily available. A friend gave one of his friend a bunch of cuttings from his Snow Cap plants last year, expecting to get a bunch of really nice bud in return. Instead he got 6 ounces of buds that were full of seeds. He was also growing some Northern Lights from seeds, and left some males, which also pollinated the Snow Cap nearby. So now he has a very large amount of 10 inch tall babies for sale.

I'll also be getting cuttings from known female plants. I've done cuttings before, but I'm not bothering with it now. I've got a lot of work going on at the house, and I don't want to bother with any lights. There are lots of places to get "clones," and I'm going to start actively seeking them out when selling my pipes. They usually sell for $5-7 here. I'm paying $5 for the SC X NL, but you usually know you are getting females, which I don't in this case.

Interesting that we call the cuttings "clones" when they aren't clones at all. They are just cuttings off another plant. The whole concept helped me to understand some deeper truths, though. Consider that when you take a cutting and plant it, what you actually have are the same plant occurring in two different places. We are all one. Heavy.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2010 at 12:07 PM
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...so I can comment on a thread where it is news that a deer can scratch the back of its ear with its hind hoof, has velvet on its antlers in the month of May, shakes water off its fur like other mammals and you can't hunt them in the mountains? Wow. California. I do believe I'll let PhotoRon handle this one.


I knew I could count on you for your usual demeaning response, Fletch.

None of this is "news" but I doubt you've seen any of it with your own eyes recently, if ever, especially in your own yard. Your indignation is revealing, though. Carry on.

 

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