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  posted on 5/19/2010 at 11:42 PM
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Revived Camaro surges past rival Mustang

Ford, facing new competition, will add horses to flagship muscle car



Image: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro LT

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The 2010 Chevrolet Camaro won the World Car Design of the Year Award at this week's New York auto show.


March 16, 2009: GM unveiled the new model in hopes the updated muscle car will help to bring the troubled automaker back.

By Paul A. Eisenstein
msnbc.com contributor
updated 4:39 a.m. PT, Tues., April 6, 2010

One of the toughest — and longest-running — battles in the auto industry has taken an unusual twist in recent months. But the shoot-out at the pony car corral is anything but over.

Once given up for dead, Chevrolet’s reborn Camaro has, since mid-2009, become the top-seller in the so-called pony car segment, toppling arch rival Ford Mustang from its throne for the first time in nearly a quarter century. But the fight is far from over. While horsepower is certainly key to Mustang’s planned comeback, mileage rather than muscle may ultimately determine the winner in this battle.

From the day Ford first brought out the original 1964-1/2 Mustang, it was a force to be reckoned with. While the original coupe was more about style, the Detroit automaker soon shifted to an emphasis on performance, taking on its cross-town rivals at General Motors, Chrysler and, in the early days, old American Motors.

By the early 1980s, in the wake of America’s twin oil shocks, domination of the pony car segment largely came down to a two-horse race. More often than not, Mustang nosed out its competitors and drove one after another from the market, including the Camaro, which seemed to be gone for good in 2002.

Last year, Ford once again claimed sales leadership in the segment — for the 24th year in a row. But last year’s win was a largely Pyrrhic victory.

That’s because the Chevy Camaro only began its phoenix-like revival, after a seven-year hiatus, in mid-April. By June, the well-reviewed coupe was in full production and hot demand, with volume surging to more than 9,000 units that month. That initial rush has cooled off only slightly since then, with Camaro besting Mustang month after month.

“Mustang isn’t a bad car, but it’s been around for awhile,” said Bob Lutz, the soon-to-retire General Motors vice chairman who spent nearly a decade as its “car czar” and was behind the rebirth of the Camaro.

When it comes to muscle cars and sporty coupes, American buyers traditionally have opted for the newer and more striking design, though delivering the most horsepower has often been a deciding factor in the race. And the 2010 Camaro was generally seen as best in all those categories, even though it also carried a price premium over Mustang. Both cars generally list for between $22,000 and $34,000, depending on styles and options.

“Right now, in the eyes of the public, Camaro is a more desirable car,” contends Lutz, but he quickly concedes “that could reverse itself.”

Or so Ford is betting. It tried to keep its own pony car up-to-date, for 2010, with a modest freshening that fell short of the dramatic new look of the Camaro. So for 2011, it is putting its money where it long has mattered in the muscle car market — under the hood.

“Outselling Camaro is a huge motivation,” said Amy Marentec, marketing director for the 2011 Ford Mustang, as she prepared to join a group of journalists gathered in Los Angeles for a drive of the new car.


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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 07:44 AM
Love the new Camaro.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 08:47 AM
Always been a Chevrolet guy, but I have to wonder if the whole bailout thing ultimately will hurt customer loyalty.

Ford certainly won that battle.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 08:51 AM
I'm a Ford man, but the new Camaro looks pretty cool.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 08:55 AM
Good enough for Bumblebee from the Transformers:



 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:01 AM
You didn't think you could start a thread like this and not hear from me did ya?

Don't believe everything you hear.....desperate for attention they had to pay big bucks for them to say it

There is NOTHING like a Mustang and Camero keeps on trying to keep up......

and yes I've had Cameros also....................

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:02 AM
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always preferred the Camaro over the Mustang. Never been a Ford guy. I'd even take a Mopar before a Mustang.


that's because you don't know any better........go figure!

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:10 AM
I'm a die hard Chevy guy, too, but I'd take a new Dodge Challenger over either the Mustang or Camaro (for asthetic reasons. Challenger looks more like the retro car than the other two.) I bet all three are a blast to drive, though.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:27 AM
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I'm a die hard Chevy guy, too, but I'd take a new Dodge Challenger over either the Mustang or Camaro (for asthetic reasons. Challenger looks more like the retro car than the other two.) I bet all three are a blast to drive, though.
Agreed! I like the Charger too. The new Camaros are pretty badass looking though...

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:29 AM
my best friend is a chevy guy, has a Monte Carlo.......he doesn't know any better either...

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:33 AM
I've never really understood the whole Chevy vs. Ford thing..."I'm a Chevy guy" "I'm a Ford guy"

I just don't get it. As it happens, my last two vehicles have been Fords, but I think that's more just a coincidence than anything...

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:34 AM
Judging from the photo, it looks like the Mustang is surging past itself.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:36 AM
At least with me, it was how I grew up and influence of my Dad and StepDad and older brothers.

They ALL had Chevy's, mainly trucks.

I currently drive an '04 Silverado.

My kids and I were talking one day and they were talking about fancy sports cars and asked me what my dream vehicle was, to which I replied, "I'm driving it."

And that is the truth, I had always wanted a Chevy truck, finally got one.

 

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my best friend is a chevy guy, has a Monte Carlo.......he doesn't know any better either...
FORD...

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:39 AM
To be fair:

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First On Race Day

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:44 AM
There is a reason Ford F-Series pickup trucks lead all vehicles in sales world wide year after year...

springer, I agree. The new Camaro looks a lot like a Mustang.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 09:48 AM
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I've never really understood the whole Chevy vs. Ford thing..."I'm a Chevy guy" "I'm a Ford guy"

I just don't get it. As it happens, my last two vehicles have been Fords, but I think that's more just a coincidence than anything...
It's brand loyalty...plain and simple.

Of the 36 cars and trucks I have owned since 1975, all but 5 have been Chevys. When I was a hot rodder, I used to could build a small block or big block Chevy engine that would flat out walk the dog. I gave all that up in 1991, but since I knew how to work on Chevys, that's what I bought.

 

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There is a reason Ford F-Series pickup trucks lead all vehicles in sales world wide year after year...
Ford does make a nice truck. I drive an '03 Chevy Z71 company truck that has 230K miles on it. Aside from having the transmission and transfer case rebuilt (there was no component failure, but it probably wasn't long for it) the truck has held up fairly well. The engine runs like a champ and doesn't cost much to operate.

My dad is a Ford guy. He recently traded his old '97 Explorer for an '08 Mercury Sable. VERY nice car. My dad and I are a lot alike...except for the Ford/Chevy loyalty thing.

 

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I've never really understood the whole Chevy vs. Ford thing..."I'm a Chevy guy" "I'm a Ford guy"

I just don't get it. As it happens, my last two vehicles have been Fords, but I think that's more just a coincidence than anything...
It's brand loyalty...plain and simple.

Of the 36 cars and trucks I have owned since 1975, all but 5 have been Chevys. When I was a hot rodder, I used to could build a small block or big block Chevy engine that would flat out walk the dog. I gave all that up in 1991, but since I knew how to work on Chevys, that's what I bought.


Yeah, that's pretty cool, BDOB. I wish I knew more about working on cars. I don't know the first thing about them other than you have to check the oil now and again and get it changed every so often and rotate the tires and that's about it...

I have really liked my last two Fords. They seemed to do the job...

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 10:03 AM
I like the way the new Camaro looks, but I have always been a Ford person. I used to have a 1991 Ford Mustang 5.0L LX coupe. I loved that car. It was way too much fun to drive. I used to take in it down to the Ocean Parkway on Long Island, down by Jones Beach, and get thing going to 125mph. However, it was horrible in the rain. All the weight of the car was in the engine, so if it was raining you could barely tap on the gas or else the thing would do a 180 or 360.
 

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We were just talking the other day about how much cars have changed. When I was young, if someone's car wouldn't crank, you could get a bunch of guys around it and if not fix it, at least figure out what was wrong and what needed to be done to fix it. There were only so many things that could go wrong, and they were pretty easy to identify. Most guys knew how to do at least the basic stuff on their vehicles. I used to do everything but a major overhaul on my vehicles. Now I take my truck to the shop for everything, even an oil change. But I think with 260,000 miles on my Ranger, I'm going to start changing my own oil again.

 

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Yeah, that's pretty cool, BDOB. I wish I knew more about working on cars. I don't know the first thing about them other than you have to check the oil now and again and get it changed every so often and rotate the tires and that's about it...
Sandman, they got 'em so wired up with on board computers now that you have to have special training (and a diagnostic computer) to know how to work on them. I do my own brakes and stuff like that, but beyond that, I send it to the shop for repairs (and grimace when I write the check to pick it up.)

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I have really liked my last two Fords. They seemed to do the job...
I'm not NEAR as picky about brands these days, after owning two old, used Hondas and now a Pontiac (made by Tyoter, of course.) I look for reliability now.

 

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We were just talking the other day about how much cars have changed. When I was young, if someone's car wouldn't crank, you could get a bunch of guys around it and if not fix it, at least figure out what was wrong and what needed to be done to fix it. There were only so many things that could go wrong, and they were pretty easy to identify. Most guys knew how to do at least the basic stuff on their vehicles. I used to do everything but a major overhaul on my vehicles. Now I take my truck to the shop for everything, even an oil change. But I think with 260,000 miles on my Ranger, I'm going to start changing my own oil again.


Funny you should mention this. My in-laws loaned me their minivan while they were away a few months ago. It has about 190,000 miles on it and the hazard light button is on top of the steering column. For whatever reason, the hazard button pops up automatically, so when I got off the train a few weeks ago and went to start the car, the battery was dead because the hazards had been on all day. I saw a friend of mine driving by and he drives some sort of new fangled machine (an Audi), so I flagged him down so he could give me a jump. The two of us dumb shts couldn’t find the battery in his car!! I was looking under the hood of the car for about 5 minutes going, “It has to be here somewhere!” Turns out the battery is under the driver’s side seat. What kind of modern person thought to put the battery under the car seat and not under the hood?

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 10:50 AM
That's why I don't raise the hood...to save on embarrassment.

I did jump a guy off the other day....first time I've done that in years.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2010 at 10:52 AM
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That's why I don't raise the hood...to save on embarrassment.

I did jump a guy off the other day....first time I've done that in years.


Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 
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