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It has been a major topic of conversation in my neck of the woods, with Californians having the opportunity to vote to legalize it in November. Opinions are mixed, as you might imagine. i have talked to probably a dozen or more growers in the past few weeks, and almost all of them are against legalization. They like it the way it is, as they can legally sell to the medical shops now, and expect their profits to go down if it becomes legal. I've pointed out to all of them that they have a selfish viewpoint, and they tend to agree. My position is that any adult American should be able to smoke whatever they want, regardless of all the other arguments.

The thing that surprises me is that so few people are seeing the huge opportunity that can be. We live in mountain valley that runs along the San Lorenzo River. We are in rugger mountains, in the redwood forest, but just a few miles from the ocean. We have 3 funky little mountains towns that people from all over love to come visit. We have two state parks, one the oldest in California.

This place could be a huge tourist destination when weed becomes legal, but not many people seem to be interested in that. That's because most of the people here aren't of the tourist mentality. They don't have to leave their house to be in a beautiful environment, and many just can't see the potential for all the people who will come here on vacation, just because they can spark up legally. A few get it, and they are making plans for the future, as am I.

I just kind of fell into selling these pipes, and now I'm selling them beside the road, across from the Bigfoot Museum. It is on a nice stretch of forest road, just a few hundred feet from the entrance to one of the redwood state parks. I've got some ideas for some T-shirts, and I have weed growing in the ground that will be ready by November, with plans to plant a lot more when the time comes. I met my landlord when I sold him a pipe, and little something for it, and he's on board about making some money off this.

One thing I've been telling everyone I know is to keep working on those recipes. Brownies, fudge, jelly, all kinds of things that can be safely stashed in your luggage and taken home to share with your friends. I believe that will be the biggest seller of all. there will so many ways to make money off this, for creative thinkers, and I know there are others out there. Smoking weed is pretty much "legal" in Santa Cruz county now, but this could be like the Gold Rush all over again, if this thing passes in the fall.

I'd be interested in hearing any ideas any of you have. I have a plan I'd like to implement down the road, a carpentry school for inner city youths, teaching them skills, and building temporary mobile dwellings to be used in disasters. Something a little better than the FEMA trailers we all know about. I think having something like that here in the redwoods would be an awesome thing, and I first thought about it while hike a trail a couple of years ago. Carpentry training during the day, music at night, and enjoying the beautiful land here the whole time.

That's my dream, with no way to implement it now, but I see a way if this thing passes. I have a friend who fell in with some growers up in Humbolt, and he told me their biggest problem was what to do with $1 million in cash each month. It takes up a lot of room, and isn't as easy to spend as you might think. I don't plan to make that kind of money, but there are others here who already are, so I'd like to tap into that whole gig.

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[Edited on 5/13/2010 by SantaCruzBluz]

 

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I'm with ya whenever you want to cash in on the "green rush" Santa. And your other idea is a good one too. As I said before, if you ever need a silent partner, PM me!

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Chain, you and some of the others ought to come out for a visit. As I've said before, I'm not a business man, but I appreciate the skills businessmen have. I'm a worker bee, and I'm loyal and honest. I think I could be part of something bigger than what I can do myself.

One thing that some people here are doing to prepare for this is buying land up in Trinity County (the Emerald Triangle) to plant large crops on. I know 2 that have done it in the past few months, and I was thinking about going up that way myself, until I found this house I'm in. I really like it here, though, and see so much potential for this valley.

 

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  posted on 5/13/2010 at 02:22 PM
I think you over estimate the tourism factor.

Folks that want to light up, do regardless of legality. why spend extra for travel?

The real issue is the cost of prohibition. The war on drugs spends billions with no real result.
Street Drugs are available and we have so many young men in jail because of the drug crime.

Countries that treat drug abuse as a medical problem and not a legal problem have more
success with drug crime and violence, and more success dealing with abuse.

It is also a waste of resources, Most folks in drug treatment are there because they have legal problems
and not a drug abuse problem.

The war on drugs is a failed enterprise, Just as alcohol prohibition was, We need a new Paradigm
and a new approach.

Hopefully Californians can see through the Drug wars lies and come up with a sensible plan.




 

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Chain, you and some of the others ought to come out for a visit. As I've said before, I'm not a business man, but I appreciate the skills businessmen have. I'm a worker bee, and I'm loyal and honest. I think I could be part of something bigger than what I can do myself.

One thing that some people here are doing to prepare for this is buying land up in Trinity County (the Emerald Triangle) to plant large crops on. I know 2 that have done it in the past few months, and I was thinking about going up that way myself, until I found this house I'm in. I really like it here, though, and see so much potential for this valley.


What's an acre of farm land averaging there? Any idea? I'm curious as to the reaction you're hearing from the Mexican drug cartels and others to the possible end of prohibition. Are you hearing any discussion about that? They must be worried that their monopoly may becoming to an end. At least in California anyway. Of course that still leaves them with a huge market elsewhere.

 

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John, I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think I'm overestimating anything. have you ever been to the Santa Cruz Mountains? People flock to the mountains in the East in the fall, just to see the leaves change. This place is as beautiful as any place in the East, with a much milder climate, and you can't smoke pot openly anywhere in the U.S. right now. People have been vacationing here for decades. Every old house in these mountains was a vacation cabin at one time.

Chain, I don't get the chance to talk to too many Mexican cartel types, and I don't know how many of them exist. I did have a long conversation about it with a Park Ranger, though, and he told me that they don't really know who is behind the big grows, but that they employ Mexicans to do the work. They don't try to make arrests, they just want to clean up the mess. He told me they hover over the field with helicopters until everyone scatters, then they go in.

I think everyone who has been making big bucks off this thinks their profit is going to go dwon, as they think everyone will just grow their own. They may be right to a degree, and that's why I think tourists will be the big moneymaker. Anyone every heard of Amsterdam? Humboldt is already spendng money to get their "brand" out there, but no one here is.

They just had the first annual Hemp and Cannabis Expo at the Cow Palace, and I know several people who went. Talk about consumption on the premises. Good golly! you should hear the stories they tell.

 

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Oh, and I don't know how much "farm land" is going for, as this isn't really farm country, but prices are lower than they've been in a long, long time. The folks who are buying in Trinity are way back off the grid, and they aren't paying much. I have one friend whose son is up there. I think he paid like $35,000 for a pice of property, I don't know how big, but it is rustic and rural. And he said he spent a week up there and never even saw a single law enforcement vehicle the whole time. The economy in that area is based on cannabis.

 

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John, I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think I'm overestimating anything. have you ever been to the Santa Cruz Mountains? People flock to the mountains in the East in the fall, just to see the leaves change. This place is as beautiful as any place in the East, with a much milder climate, and you can't smoke pot openly anywhere in the U.S. right now. People have been vacationing here for decades. Every old house in these mountains was a vacation cabin at one time.


Sounds lovely, I still don't think legal pot increases the tourism. Nor does it lessen what is already there.

Folks openly smoke pot around Maryland. The medical law is so vague anyone can get off using it.
I've seen folks light up at the Silver Spring Town Center. (it was kind of behind the Fresh Fields but
on a public walk) Also here in Cumberland.

I wish you luck with your enterprises, Watch out selling pipes that's what got Tommy Chong busted.



 

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After reading this thread, I can’t wait to get home tonight, light up the BBQ…and something else of course. I find it very relaxing to be bbqing, watching the birds in the birdhouse feed their young, and listening to tunes. Its good decompression time from the commute. Actually, when you make posts like this, I often wonder what the hell I am doing riding on a friggin’ subway everyday that smells like a toilet.

Interesting thoughts on the problem of dispensing with the cash. I have a friend who has a similar problem, but he owns bars and deals mostly with cash. It is a big problem. He actually does most of his real estate transactions in cash. Particularly with what has gone on with real estate over the past few years, if you show up with a suitcase full of cash these days, you are usually in a good position. He also stuffs a lot into safe deposit boxes and annuity life insurance policies.

 

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Folks that want to light up, do regardless of legality. why spend extra for travel?



Exactly, and they are growing already, right now, and fine black loam smoke it is.

 

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BTW I love California, My old job took me regularly to LA and SF.
I have friends and Family in both of those areas.

Everyone should visit Yosemite at least once.

 

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John, I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think I'm overestimating anything. have you ever been to the Santa Cruz Mountains? People flock to the mountains in the East in the fall, just to see the leaves change. This place is as beautiful as any place in the East, with a much milder climate, and you can't smoke pot openly anywhere in the U.S. right now. People have been vacationing here for decades. Every old house in these mountains was a vacation cabin at one time.


Sounds lovely, I still don't think legal pot increases the tourism. Nor does it lessen what is already there.

Folks openly smoke pot around Maryland. The medical law is so vague anyone can get off using it.
I've seen folks light up at the Silver Spring Town Center. (it was kind of behind the Fresh Fields but
on a public walk) Also here in Cumberland.

I wish you luck with your enterprises, Watch out selling pipes that's what got Tommy Chong busted.






With all due respect, John, there is no comparing the Santa Cruz Mountains of California to anywhere in Maryland. People already come here by the millions every year, and this will just increase it. Hiking, biking, camping, surfing, scuba, fishing, and all other kinds of outdoor activities take place here all year long. This ain't Maryland.

I actually had a deputy sheriff stop to take a look at what I was making a few weeks ago. Didn't hassle me a single bit, and genuinely seemed interested in the pipes. He was a young guy, and I have no doubt he has friends who fire up. I appreciate that he is curious about what goes on in our county, and again, i never felt hassled by him in the least.

 

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After reading this thread, I can’t wait to get home tonight, light up the BBQ…and something else of course. I find it very relaxing to be bbqing, watching the birds in the birdhouse feed their young, and listening to tunes. Its good decompression time from the commute. Actually, when you make posts like this, I often wonder what the hell I am doing riding on a friggin’ subway everyday that smells like a toilet.

Interesting thoughts on the problem of dispensing with the cash. I have a friend who has a similar problem, but he owns bars and deals mostly with cash. It is a big problem. He actually does most of his real estate transactions in cash. Particularly with what has gone on with real estate over the past few years, if you show up with a suitcase full of cash these days, you are usually in a good position. He also stuffs a lot into safe deposit boxes and annuity life insurance policies.



My friend, who is an ex-pat from South Africa who converted the family assets into diamonds, and had a special boat built to get them out of the country, told me these guys would pay a local cab driver $10,000 to take them to Las Vegas and drive them around for a few days while they partied and blew money. As he said, the physical logistics of that much cash can be a big headache.

Maybe you shouldn't come out for a visit, jim. You might not want to go back.

 

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I'm with you on all of it SCB. If alcohol is legal, the only thing keeping reefer from not being so is a combination of fear and competition. Fear from those who don't know the difference of being high versus getting drunk, and competitive worries from the liquor companies viewing reefer as a threat to their profits. They've got money to spend and an established lobby, so I'd bet they're all for keeping it suppressed.

One other likely source of anti-reefer sentiment is those in the business already, along with whatever govt officials they're currently paying off. As you mentioned from the growers you know, they're not keen on changing things.

Reefer tourism would certainly be a factor, but I can understand some locals - especially in smaller towns - expressing concerns about some unknown number of new folks visiting for an activity where questions exist of how you'd manage it.

I'm all for legalizing it, and prostitution too. Neither will ever disappear from human activity, so let's be realistic: manage and tax it in a responsible manner.

PS - love the idea of the school. I have to believe that grant money could exist from somewhere to help it get started.

 

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Exactly, and they are growing already, right now, and fine black loam smoke it is.



Really? Everyone who wants to smoke pot is growing their own? You're an idiot, Fletch. Thanks for showing us once again.

 

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I'm with you on all of it SCB. If alcohol is legal, the only thing keeping reefer from not being so is a combination of fear and competition. Fear from those who don't know the difference of being high versus getting drunk, and competitive worries from the liquor companies viewing reefer as a threat to their profits. They've got money to spend and an established lobby, so I'd bet they're all for keeping it suppressed.

One other likely source of anti-reefer sentiment is those in the business already, along with whatever govt officials they're currently paying off. As you mentioned from the growers you know, they're not keen on changing things.

Reefer tourism would certainly be a factor, but I can understand some locals - especially in smaller towns - expressing concerns about some unknown number of new folks visiting for an activity where questions exist of how you'd manage it.

I'm all for legalizing it, and prostitution too. Neither will ever disappear from human activity, so let's be realistic: manage and tax it in a responsible manner.

PS - love the idea of the school. I have to believe that grant money could exist from somewhere to help it get started.


We're finally in agreement on something, Rich!

Actually, I agree with a lot of what you say. I think there are people here who don't want a lot of tourism, but it comes in the summer anyway. This would just be a way for more people to make money off it. And a way for the county to make money as well, just as they do on medical cannabis.

As for the grants, i don't want any government money whatsoever to do what I want to do. Does that make me a conservative? I don't want their hands in anything I'm doing. But I could damn sure go to some of the big growers for a grant if I ever got this thing past the talking stage.

Can you imagine bringing 12 or 15 kids from a place like inner city NYC, or NOLA, to the mountains for a few weeks to learn some skills they can actually use, and have a blast doing it? They could work on temporary shelters like I'm talking about, something they could complete and sign their name to while they were here. You'd have a useful product in the end, and could change some kids' lives. It's just a dream at this point, but that's how things get started.

 

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With all due respect, John, there is no comparing the Santa Cruz Mountains of California to anywhere in Maryland. People already come here by the millions every year, and this will just increase it. Hiking, biking, camping, surfing, scuba, fishing, and all other kinds of outdoor activities take place here all year long. This ain't Maryland.


Maryland is a beautiful place as well.

I wasn't comparing the 2 areas for tourism, Just saying folks smoke
opening in Maryland.

No need to trash the free state of Maryland.



 

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With all due respect, John, there is no comparing the Santa Cruz Mountains of California to anywhere in Maryland. People already come here by the millions every year, and this will just increase it. Hiking, biking, camping, surfing, scuba, fishing, and all other kinds of outdoor activities take place here all year long. This ain't Maryland.



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I wasn't comparing the 2 areas for tourism, Just saying folks smoke
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No need to trash the free state of Maryland.



Amen!

No doubt northern California is beautiful despite the non-natives. I have friends in southern Oregon where the coast is even more awesome looking, frankly. Then again, I've been to beautiful parts of both western Maryland and the wonderfully unique areas of Maryland on the Chesapeake Bay and along the coast where the ocean water temps are a good 15 degrees warmer than the west coast at times. You can find extremely cool natural areas in both places, so to diss one over the other for whatever wanna-be horsesh*t reason is ridiculous. You aren't going to find any Sika Deer in the wild in Cali.



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With all due respect, John, there is no comparing the Santa Cruz Mountains of California to anywhere in Maryland. People already come here by the millions every year, and this will just increase it. Hiking, biking, camping, surfing, scuba, fishing, and all other kinds of outdoor activities take place here all year long. This ain't Maryland.



No doubt northern California is beautiful despite non-natives. I have friends in southern Oregon where the coast is even more awesome looking, frankly. Then again, I've been to beautiful parts of both western Maryland and the wonderfully unique areas of Maryland on the Chesapeake Bay and along the coast where the ocean water temps are a good 15 degrees warmer than the west coast at times. You can find extremely cool natural areas in both places, so to diss one over the other for whatever reason is ridiculous. You aren't going to find any Sika Deer in the wild in Cali.


Have you ever been to Oregon? Based on your past posts here, we know you haven't. So how can you compare? You don't have a clue.


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I'm not trashing anything. I just said there is no comparison, and I think you would agree. I've been to Maryland. do they have anything like Yosemite there? It is a beautiful state, but it ain't the Santa Cruz Mountains. I've been all over the U.S., and I've never been anywhere like this place.

No need to take offense, John, or start making accusations. We're having a nice discussion here. I'm just saying that once the referendum is passed, it will make it more likely for some people to choose California as a vacation destination. I'm kind of surprised you don't see it that way, but it doesn't matter to me. I talk to people who are here on vacation every day. A few days ago I sold a pipe to two women from Reno who were camping at Big Basin State Park. They gave me a nice bud, too, just because they were nice people having a great day. We talked about this very topic. I know what I'm talking about.

And not everyone lives in Maryland. Some people live in Alabama, for example, and want to come to California some day, anyway. Not everyone has been here like you have. This will make many of them more likely to head on out. That's a no-brainer.

 

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With all due respect, John, there is no comparing the Santa Cruz Mountains of California to anywhere in Maryland. People already come here by the millions every year, and this will just increase it. Hiking, biking, camping, surfing, scuba, fishing, and all other kinds of outdoor activities take place here all year long. This ain't Maryland.



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I wasn't comparing the 2 areas for tourism, Just saying folks smoke
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No need to trash the free state of Maryland.



Amen!

No doubt northern California is beautiful despite the non-natives. I have friends in southern Oregon where the coast is even more awesome looking, frankly. Then again, I've been to beautiful parts of both western Maryland and the wonderfully unique areas of Maryland on the Chesapeake Bay and along the coast where the ocean water temps are a good 15 degrees warmer than the west coast at times. You can find extremely cool natural areas in both places, so to diss one over the other for whatever wanna-be horsesh*t reason is ridiculous. You aren't going to find any Sika Deer in the wild in Cali.



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F*ck off, Fletch.

Non-natives must be anybody who hasn't spent their entire life living in the town they grew up in, I suppose. I lived in California for 8 years, Japan for 3, and other states for short stints before I graduated from high school. I guess to you that means I shouldn't live anywhere since I'm a non-native pretty much anywhere I go. I could just go live in my Mom's basement (if she had one) and then I'd be a "native." Again, you are an idiot, and it is hilarious that you can't see that.

Nobody dissed anything, but you are too stupid to see that.

alanwoods should be along any minute to tell you that you look like a fool trying to make me look like a fool, and then I can laugh at both of you.

 

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I'm not trashing anything. I just said there is no comparison, and I think you would agree. I've been to Maryland. do they have anything like Yosemite there? It is a beautiful state, but it ain't the Santa Cruz Mountains. I've been all over the U.S., and I've never been anywhere like this place.

No need to take offense, John, or start making accusations. We're having a nice discussion here. I'm just saying that once the referendum is passed, it will make it more likely for some people to choose California as a vacation destination. I'm kind of surprised you don't see it that way, but it doesn't matter to me. I talk to people who are here on vacation every day. A few days ago I sold a pipe to two women from Reno who were camping at Big Basin State Park. They gave me a nice bud, too, just because they were nice people having a great day. We talked about this very topic. I know what I'm talking about.

And not everyone lives in Maryland. Some people live in Alabama, for example, and want to come to California some day, anyway. Not everyone has been here like you have. This will make many of them more likely to head on out. That's a no-brainer.


There is not another place like Yosemite. We have the Chesapeake Bay. Every place is Unique and has the
possibility of tourism if properly Marketed. Like I said I love California.

I don't see Legal Weed as spawning big increase in tourism. We'll have to disagree on that.

 

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Geez people -- why all the hostility. Seemed most everyone was in agreement here. Unnecessary.

 

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alanwoods should be along any minute to tell you that you look like a fool trying to make me look like a fool, and then I can laugh at both of you.





Naw, actually you're pretty much a stooge on your own, the literal definition of 'buy your own bullsh*t.' The good news is that no one equates the beauiful part of the world that is Northern California with you as that would be amazingly unfair to the natives.

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There is not another place like Yosemite. We have the Chesapeake Bay. Every place is Unique and has the possibility of tourism if properly Marketed.


I agree completely.

 

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I can live with that. I think you are wrong, and I'm willing to gamble that I'm right. I'll let you know how it all turns out. But I think you are being naive if you don't think California, and especially Northern California are not places that everyone wants to visit. How do the tourism rates of California and Maryland compare now? You don't have to answer that. We already know.

 

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