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  posted on 5/3/2010 at 12:03 PM
As stated earlier, it was/is not uncommon for the San Diego Union to post photos of people waving MEXICAN flags while protesting in the USA...



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If you are so eager to make a life here in the USA...why are you waving a Mexican flag?

 

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  posted on 5/3/2010 at 12:05 PM
Bingo!

 

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  posted on 5/3/2010 at 12:42 PM
I agree completely. When I see the Mexican flag at rallies, that is all I need to know. if you want to be a legal immigrant who wants to come here and be an American - cool. If you want to bring Mexico to the U.S., hell no.

Also, all of this liberal whining about the violent attitude at Tea Party rallies and the gnashing of teeth and attempts to stereotype, etc,and yetthey ignore the real violence that happens when the Left gets together;

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Calif. immigrants' rights march ends in vandalism
By JOHN S. MARSHALL (AP) 15 hours ago

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. Close to 20 businesses were damaged after what started as a peaceful immigrants' rights march in downtown Santa Cruz turned violent, requiring police to call other agencies for help, authorities said.

Police spokesman Zach Friend said an estimated 250 people started marching through the city around 10:30 p.m. Saturday.

It was a harmonious but "unpermitted and unsanctioned event," he said, until some in the crowd started breaking windows and spraying paint on retail shops that line the downtown corridor.




 

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  posted on 5/3/2010 at 01:12 PM
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Get over it. There are any number of real problems in this country for you to be worried about, aside from what type of flag someone chooses to display. Simply put, it's not your place to tell anyone else how to show pride in their heritage.


I agree, and as I said, NYC should make the clarion call for alll illegal immigrants to head your way. Past that, should we give land back to Mexico??

 

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  posted on 5/3/2010 at 01:16 PM
I see a lot of little American flags in those pictures too. Couple of big ones too. What to make of this? People are proud of their homeland and like living in the US? Could it be? Maybe?

What would the reaction be if I hung the Tri Colour outside my home? Am I a traitor? A bad American?

A what about half of the Staten Island male population that have Italian flags tattooed on any number of body parts? Surely we should tell them to go right back on home, no?

Deep breaths, people. Serenity now.

 

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Get over it. There are any number of real problems in this country for you to be worried about, aside from what type of flag someone chooses to display. Simply put, it's not your place to tell anyone else how to show pride in their heritage.



I find it interesting that people enter this country illegally and want to be allowed to stay. To demonstrate that, they carry the flag of the country they left.

Other than that, BigV, or anyone else for that matter, can decide foor himself what problems in this country he wishes to be concerned about. For example, the car bomb in Times Square doesn't affect us out here in the southwest nearly as much as the illegal immigration problem. You are looking through your NYC glasses.


who says these people are here illegally? Simply waving a Mexican flag at a rally does not mean you're here illegally. They also are not protesting to be allowed to stay here illegally. They are protesting a despicable, racist law, and I fully support their efforts. If you're concerned about illegal immigration, well so am I. If you're concerned about what types of flags that people fly, you're a xenophobic ass.


On top of this, most Hispanics are extremely ethnically proud. This has nothing to do with what country they love the most or whatever stupid thing the flag counting is supposed to prove.

And BigV, what message are you conveying when you fly the confederate flag in your sig. Isnt the current American Flag good enough for you?

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Get over it. There are any number of real problems in this country for you to be worried about, aside from what type of flag someone chooses to display. Simply put, it's not your place to tell anyone else how to show pride in their heritage.


I agree, and as I said, NYC should make the clarion call for alll illegal immigrants to head your way. Past that, should we give land back to Mexico??


We have plenty.

 

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Get over it. There are any number of real problems in this country for you to be worried about, aside from what type of flag someone chooses to display. Simply put, it's not your place to tell anyone else how to show pride in their heritage.



I find it interesting that people enter this country illegally and want to be allowed to stay. To demonstrate that, they carry the flag of the country they left.

Other than that, BigV, or anyone else for that matter, can decide foor himself what problems in this country he wishes to be concerned about. For example, the car bomb in Times Square doesn't affect us out here in the southwest nearly as much as the illegal immigration problem. You are looking through your NYC glasses.


who says these people are here illegally? Simply waving a Mexican flag at a rally does not mean you're here illegally. They also are not protesting to be allowed to stay here illegally. They are protesting a despicable, racist law, and I fully support their efforts. If you're concerned about illegal immigration, well so am I. If you're concerned about what types of flags that people fly, you're a xenophobic ass.


I think we should try to have these discussions without resorting to name calling. That's my opinion.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2010 at 03:23 PM
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If you're concerned about what types of flags that people fly, you're a xenophobic ass.


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mglowenstein - Your beloved flag is an insult to all the free peoples of this land. It's symbolic value isn't determined by the ignorant fools who fly it with pride, but moreso by the black folks and other ethnic minorities (not to mention the vast majority of white folks) who cringe and shiver when they see it. It's a symbol of hatred, of secession, of bloodshed and of upheaval. There are plenty of other ways to honor your ancestors, but only a fool would do so by flying that flag.


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mglowenstein - can understand how the flag is a part of the south's heritage. but just think how you'd feel if you were a black man living in the south and you saw your neighbors flying the confederate flag. every time you walked your dog you'd be reminded of the times not so long ago when a black man couldnt even look at a white woman, when lynching was a constant danger, when seperate but equal was the law of the land...

i could never deny that you folks have a right to be proud of your ancestors, but undoubtedly there are other ways that don't carry the same overwhelmingly negative connotations as the flag.


Apparently, flags matter.

 

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On the Flag issue I do think context matters. For example at a Mexican Pride parade one would totally expect to see Mexican Flags flying. But at a rally for immigration rights it might be seen as "anti-assimilation" which is a hot button issue. Many of us who are pro-immigration are also very concerned that immigrants assimilate into the American culture. That said, I don't really care what flag or sign people carry as long as it is not offensive. Even then, of course they should be allowed to display it but my opinion of them will not be too high.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2010 at 03:47 PM
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Get over it. There are any number of real problems in this country for you to be worried about, aside from what type of flag someone chooses to display. Simply put, it's not your place to tell anyone else how to show pride in their heritage.



I find it interesting that people enter this country illegally and want to be allowed to stay. To demonstrate that, they carry the flag of the country they left.

Other than that, BigV, or anyone else for that matter, can decide foor himself what problems in this country he wishes to be concerned about. For example, the car bomb in Times Square doesn't affect us out here in the southwest nearly as much as the illegal immigration problem. You are looking through your NYC glasses.


who says these people are here illegally? Simply waving a Mexican flag at a rally does not mean you're here illegally. They also are not protesting to be allowed to stay here illegally. They are protesting a despicable, racist law, and I fully support their efforts. If you're concerned about illegal immigration, well so am I. If you're concerned about what types of flags that people fly, you're a xenophobic ass.


I think we should try to have these discussions without resorting to name calling. That's my opinion.


LMAO!!!

 

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Get over it. There are any number of real problems in this country for you to be worried about, aside from what type of flag someone chooses to display. Simply put, it's not your place to tell anyone else how to show pride in their heritage.



I find it interesting that people enter this country illegally and want to be allowed to stay. To demonstrate that, they carry the flag of the country they left.

Other than that, BigV, or anyone else for that matter, can decide foor himself what problems in this country he wishes to be concerned about. For example, the car bomb in Times Square doesn't affect us out here in the southwest nearly as much as the illegal immigration problem. You are looking through your NYC glasses.


who says these people are here illegally? Simply waving a Mexican flag at a rally does not mean you're here illegally. They also are not protesting to be allowed to stay here illegally. They are protesting a despicable, racist law, and I fully support their efforts. If you're concerned about illegal immigration, well so am I. If you're concerned about what types of flags that people fly, you're a xenophobic ass.


I think we should try to have these discussions without resorting to name calling. That's my opinion.


LMAO!!!


You are some piece of work you know that? When did I ever call you a name? I am getting close to calling you one now and I am trying hard to resist.

 

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I find it interesting that people enter this country illegally and want to be allowed to stay. To demonstrate that, they carry the flag of the country they left.


Exactly

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On the Flag issue I do think context matters. For example at a Mexican Pride parade one would totally expect to see Mexican Flags flying. But at a rally for immigration rights it might be seen as "anti-assimilation" which is a hot button issue. Many of us who are pro-immigration are also very concerned that immigrants assimilate into the American culture. That said, I don't really care what flag or sign people carry as long as it is not offensive. Even then, of course they should be allowed to display it but my opinion of them will not be too high.


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And BigV, what message are you conveying when you fly the confederate flag in your sig. Isnt the current American Flag good enough for you?


On many occasions I have flown the Stars and Stripes to support a point and will continue to do so. As for the Stars and Bars in my signature...I am a Civil War freak, growing up with a Mother who hailed from Savannah, Ga. there was Confederate memorabilia all over not only our home, but friends as well. To me, it is nothing more than my saying I appreciate history. Notice I have never shown the better known "St Andrews cross"..(battle Flag) that I know most find offensive. and will not ever because of the associations most make with the KKK and Hate groups...

And again ..."If you are so eager to make a life here in the USA...why are you waving a Mexican flag" ?

 

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  posted on 5/3/2010 at 04:33 PM
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Derek are you really trying to equate flying the Confederate flag to the Mexican flag? God knows you've got problems but I've never took you as a Confederate apologist. Historical revisionist, yes, but surely there are some lines that you don't want to cross? V, on the other hand... Well, there's just no hope for him if he thinks that flying any flag of the Confederacy represents an appreciation for history.

Here's the distinction that I really shoudn't have to point out to anyone: the Mexican flag represents a proud nation. The Confederate flag represents a historical abomination.

Keep in mind, I do support your freedom to fly the Confederate flag as well. That's America - people can fly all kinds of flags that you might hate but they are fully protected under the law when doing so.




And you have every right to express your disgust with it also!

 

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Keep in mind, I do support your freedom to fly the Confederate flag as well.


I'll sleep better knowing this...

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Here's the distinction that I really shoudn't have to point out to anyone: the Mexican flag represents a proud nation.


Agreed. But why fly it during an immigration rally in the USA?... Wouldn't you think support for ILLEGALS who are attempting to show us they belong here and are contributing would be better suited by flying the flag of this Country?...The nation they would have us believe they so desperately want to be a part of?

If you are so eager to make a life here in the USA...why are you waving a Mexican flag?

 

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Actually the rally was not in support of illegals. It was against the horrible law.


Six of one, a half dozen of the other.


Gee, do ya think there any ILLEGALS at these events?...Yelling and screaming with no fear of being prosecuted? Waving Mexican flags?

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If you're so eager to make a life in the USA, why should you have to abandon your heritage to do so?


No one is suggesting that. Although one might want to be a little more selective about the events one chooses...

 

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who says these people are here illegally? Simply waving a Mexican flag at a rally does not mean you're here illegally. They also are not protesting to be allowed to stay here illegally. They are protesting a despicable, racist law, and I fully support their efforts. If you're concerned about illegal immigration, well so am I. If you're concerned about what types of flags that people fly, you're a xenophobic ass.


I'm going to take a shot in the dark here and guess that you reside NOWHERE REMOTELY near the border of the USA/Mexico...

 

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Get over it. There are any number of real problems in this country for you to be worried about, aside from what type of flag someone chooses to display. Simply put, it's not your place to tell anyone else how to show pride in their heritage.



I find it interesting that people enter this country illegally and want to be allowed to stay. To demonstrate that, they carry the flag of the country they left.

Other than that, BigV, or anyone else for that matter, can decide for himself what problems in this country he wishes to be concerned about. For example, the car bomb in Times Square doesn't affect us out here in the southwest nearly as much as the illegal immigration problem. You are looking through your NYC glasses.


OK, we're about to hear a collective gasp at what I'm about to say:

I have to agree with Otie on this one.

 

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And BigV, what message are you conveying when you fly the confederate flag in your sig. Isnt the current American Flag good enough for you?


I guess you haven't paid much attention to the current Georgia State Flag? Only difference is that it has 13 stars and the state seal. Other than that, it's the same as the Confederate Flag.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2010 at 10:22 PM
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Derek are you really trying to equate flying the Confederate flag to the Mexican flag? God knows you've got problems but I've never took you as a Confederate apologist. Historical revisionist, yes, but surely there are some lines that you don't want to cross? V, on the other hand... Well, there's just no hope for him if he thinks that flying any flag of the Confederacy represents an appreciation for history.

Here's the distinction that I really shoudn't have to point out to anyone: the Mexican flag represents a proud nation. The Confederate flag represents a historical abomination.

Keep in mind, I do support your freedom to fly the Confederate flag as well. That's America - people can fly all kinds of flags that you might hate but they are fully protected under the law when doing so.




And you have every right to express your disgust with it also!


Unless you are a xenophobic ass.


Even then.

 

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I find it interesting that people enter this country illegally and want to be allowed to stay. To demonstrate that, they carry the flag of the country they left.


Exactly

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On the Flag issue I do think context matters. For example at a Mexican Pride parade one would totally expect to see Mexican Flags flying. But at a rally for immigration rights it might be seen as "anti-assimilation" which is a hot button issue. Many of us who are pro-immigration are also very concerned that immigrants assimilate into the American culture. That said, I don't really care what flag or sign people carry as long as it is not offensive. Even then, of course they should be allowed to display it but my opinion of them will not be too high.


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And BigV, what message are you conveying when you fly the confederate flag in your sig. Isnt the current American Flag good enough for you?


On many occasions I have flown the Stars and Stripes to support a point and will continue to do so. As for the Stars and Bars in my signature...I am a Civil War freak, growing up with a Mother who hailed from Savannah, Ga. there was Confederate memorabilia all over not only our home, but friends as well. To me, it is nothing more than my saying I appreciate history. Notice I have never shown the better known "St Andrews cross"..(battle Flag) that I know most find offensive. and will not ever because of the associations most make with the KKK and Hate groups...

And again ..."If you are so eager to make a life here in the USA...why are you waving a Mexican flag" ?


I have no problem with the Battlefield Cross or the Stars and Bars. They are both a part of American history and like it or not represent something to people of this country. Some may view them as being racial by I look at them as being a symbol of freedom. Americans were willing to die for them.
They are no different than Old Glory as far as I can tell.

I have a 48 star US flag. It represents a point in this countries history as well.


I don't necessarily think of it as racial or even supporting slavery. Like President Lincoln however, I do look at it and am reminded of a rebellion by Southern states that caused a war that killed half a million people. (caveat, Lincoln came to blame the war on both the North and South for accepting the existence of slavery in the United States).

 

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Rightly so on the slavery issue, however, until a person understands there were more issues to war than slavery it's hard to get an understanding of why people who didn't own slaves, never owned slaves and never would own slaves still fought and died for the Confederacy.

 

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I wonder why that is. It seems those who have had the least have given the most with their sacrifices.

 

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  posted on 5/4/2010 at 02:55 PM
Just out curiosity..... I can't help but wonder if those here who are using shouts of "Civil rights"..."ACLU"!.... "Intrusion on the rights of citizens"...and "Racial profiling" in regards to AZ SB 1070...made the same amount of noise when American CITIZENS who looked .... "Middle eastern"..were pulled off of planes right after the media showed us all that the Hi-jackers on 9 11 were in fact of middle eastern descent?

 

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As mentioned before, the majority of soldiers fighting for the Confederacy didn't own slaves so the war wasn't about slavery for them.

 

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