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  posted on 4/3/2010 at 11:09 AM
Obama says Beck, Limbaugh fuel 'troublesome' political climate


n an interview with Harry Smith on CBS' "Early Show" Friday morning, President Obama called out Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh as purveyors of "vitriol" - creating a climate in which he's called a "socialist" and even a "Nazi."

Smith asked the president if he was "aware of the level of enmity that crosses the airwaves and that people have made part of their daily conversation about you." Obama replied, "When you've listened to Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck it's pretty apparent." The rancor is "troublesome," he said, but he acknowledged it's also a recurring phenomenon.
"Keep in mind that there have been periods in American history where this kind of - this kind of vitriol comes out," he said. "It happens often when you've got an economy that is making people more anxious and people are feeling that there's a lot of change that needs to take place. But that's not the vast majority of Americans."

Walking with Smith on the grounds of the White House, the president said that he is "concerned about a political climate in which the other side is demonized" and that "everybody has a responsibility, Democrats or Republicans, to tone down some of this rhetoric." What's different about today, Obama suggested, is the way overheated rhetoric has moved into the mainstream.

"It used to be that somebody who said something crazy, they might be saying it to their next-door neighbor, or it might be on some, you know, late-night AM station at the very end of the radio dial."

Asked by Smith if the name-calling bothers him, Obama replied that all presidents develop a "pretty thick skin." Still, he added that he hopes that Americans will start to lose their taste for vitriol.

"I do think that there is a tone and tenor that needs to change, where we can disagree without being disagreeable or making wild accusations about the other side. And I think that's what most Americans would like to see, as well."


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"Keep in mind that there have been periods in American history where this kind of - this kind of vitriol comes out," he said. "It happens often when you've got an economy that is making people more anxious and people are feeling that there's a lot of change that needs to take place."


Nice try, but I don't think this is why people are upset.

He knows why.

 

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It's because he's a black man and talk radio have convinced them he's going to take away their guns.....yada, yada, yada....

 

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"Keep in mind that there have been periods in American history where this kind of - this kind of vitriol comes out," he said. "It happens often when you've got an economy that is making people more anxious and people are feeling that there's a lot of change that needs to take place."


Nice try, but I don't think this is why people are upset.

He knows why.


You mean *some* people...teabaggers and other loonies are the greater majority. Many middle of the road people are being led astray by Republicans lying in desperate effort to undermine this presidents agenda. Its being documented ad infinitum as we speak.

 

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When a man attends a church for 20 years where the pastor says AIDS was created by the CIA as part of a plot to wipe out blacks, 9/11 was "chickens coming home to roost", honors Louis Farrakhan, and of course screams "goddamn America" like a raving lunatic he doesn't have much credibility lecturing others about civility. 20 YEARS!. Oprah went for only a year or so and then got out. Maybe she'd make a better Prez.
And let's not forget The Enlightened One saying during the campaign in Philly "If they bring a knife, we bring a gun" Where oh where was all the hand wringing and chin stroking over that?

 

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When a man attends a church for 20 years


Right there is where I'd start worrying.

 

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When a man attends a church for 20 years where the pastor says AIDS was created by the CIA as part of a plot to wipe out blacks, 9/11 was "chickens coming home to roost", honors Louis Farrakhan, and of course screams "goddamn America" like a raving lunatic he doesn't have much credibility lecturing others about civility. 20 YEARS!. Oprah went for only a year or so and then got out. Maybe she'd make a better Prez.
And let's not forget The Enlightened One saying during the campaign in Philly "If they bring a knife, we bring a gun" Where oh where was all the hand wringing and chin stroking over that?


I attended churches for most of my life where they told me there is a Devil who tempts people to do things, and that someday God is going to judge me, and that there is a place called Hell where people who don't conform to God's plan will burn forever and ever. I bet lots of politicians go to churches now where they hear the same nonsense. Do we really want to start picking apart the senseless things that pastors say in church, and then blame the people who sit and listen to it?

I think it is just as likely that the CIA did create AIDS as it is that some of us are going to "Hell," yet I haven't heard anyone complaining because George Bush went to a church where they preached that. They preach some pretty unbelievable stuff in churches. Singling out one church, one pastor, for nonsensical views seems kind of silly to me.

 

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It's because he's a black man and talk radio have convinced them he's going to take away their guns.....yada, yada, yada....



Really? Come on. You're really going to play the race card? You could have at least saved the trump card until you ran out of ammunition completely.

Please.....

Shockingly, most conservative couldn't give a schit whether he's purple, orangle, green, brown, pink, white, black, etc... The fact remains that he is fiscally irresponsible.




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People are being naive if they don't think race has anything to do with SOME people's complaints about Obama.

 

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People are being naive if they don't think race has anything to do with SOME people's complaints about Obama.



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It's because he's a black man and talk radio have convinced them he's going to take away their guns.....yada, yada, yada....



Really? Come on. You're really going to play the race card? You could have at least saved the trump card until you ran out of ammunition completely.

Please.....

Shockingly, most conservative couldn't give a schit whether he's purple, orangle, green, brown, pink, white, black, etc... The fact remains that he is fiscally irresponsible.


I'm pretty sure she was being sarcastic...



Possibly, but I didn't read it that way. I didn't see any winks or smiley faces.



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It's because he's a black man and talk radio have convinced them he's going to take away their guns.....yada, yada, yada....



Really? Come on. You're really going to play the race card? You could have at least saved the trump card until you ran out of ammunition completely.

Please.....

Shockingly, most conservative couldn't give a schit whether he's purple, orangle, green, brown, pink, white, black, etc... The fact remains that he is fiscally irresponsible.




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How much was spent on Iraq? Who paid for that? Responsible? I beg to differ.

 

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There are always going to be extreme, lunatic factions on both sides. Race has been, and will be an issue for some folks for years to come. Those people are provincial-minded individuals whose opinons are quickly dismissed when it is learned that they don't like the President simply because of race.

You have to have a lot of damning evidence to label someone a racist. I think that term has been thrown around too liberally of late.



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It's because he's a black man and talk radio have convinced them he's going to take away their guns.....yada, yada, yada....



Really? Come on. You're really going to play the race card? You could have at least saved the trump card until you ran out of ammunition completely.

Please.....

Shockingly, most conservative couldn't give a schit whether he's purple, orangle, green, brown, pink, white, black, etc... The fact remains that he is fiscally irresponsible.




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How much was spent on Iraq? Who paid for that? Responsible? I beg to differ.


Again... Really? You want to play the game of "Well.. Well... Well....... GW was not fiscally responsible!!!!!!!"

So.... If BO is not fiscally responsible then it's okay because GW wasn't in your opinion?



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No, I just like to point out the supreme hypocrisy of the "fiscally irresponsible" mantra. Add to that the fact that we're spending now to help our own people versus toppling a dictator we previously supported, does indeed make a difference in my mind. Milage may vary...

 

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I don't need a lot of damning evidence to label someone a racist. Hearing someone call a black person a n*gger one time, for instance, will do it for me.

 

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No, I just like to point out the supreme hypocrisy of the "fiscally irresponsible" mantra. Add to that the fact that we're spending now to help our own people versus toppling a dictator we previously supported, does indeed make a difference in my mind. Milage may vary...


Wasting money on bombs is far more responsible than wasting money trying to help poor Americans get ahead. Thought you knew that.

 

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No, I just like to point out the supreme hypocrisy of the "fiscally irresponsible" mantra.


Well... In order to prove that point, you would need ME to say that the war in Iraq is a wise use of our nation's money - Right?

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Add to that the fact that we're spending now to help our own people versus toppling a dictator we previously supported, does indeed make a difference in my mind. Milage may vary...


I would debate the idea that we are "helping our own people." SOME people may be getting "help" from this bill. For others, this is no favor. I won't hijack this thread and turn it into a discussion about Iraq, but if you want to talk about Iraq, let's talk about the present day situation of it. Obama stumped for immediate removal of troops from Iraq. Didn't happen, nor do I see it happening.



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Rush Limbaugh, Chris Matthews and the 'regime' question
By: Byron York
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04/03/10 8:08 PM EDT

On Friday, I asked Rush Limbaugh for his response to President Obama's description of him as "troublesome" and of his program as "vitriol." Limbaugh told me he does not believe Obama is trying to do what is best for the country and added, "Never in my life have I seen a regime like this, governing against the will of the people, purposely."

By using the word "regime," Limbaugh was doing something he does all the time: throwing the language of the opposition back in their faces. In the Bush years, we often heard the phrase "Bush regime" from some quarters of the left. So Limbaugh applied it to Obama.

Apparently some people didn't get it. On MSNBC, Chris Matthews appeared deeply troubled by the word. "I've never seen language like this in the American press," he said, "referring to an elected representative government, elected in a totally fair, democratic, American election -- we will have another one in November, we'll have another one for president in a couple years -- fair, free, and wonderful democracy we have in this country&hellip. We know that word, 'regime.' It was used by George Bush, 'regime change.' You go to war with regimes. Regimes are tyrannies. They're juntas. They're military coups. The use of the word 'regime' in American political parlance is unacceptable, and someone should tell the walrus [Limbaugh] to stop using it."

Matthews didn't stop there. "I never heard the word 'regime,' before, have you?" he said to NBC's Chuck Todd. "I don't even think Joe McCarthy ever called this government a 'regime.'"

It appears that Matthews has suffered a major memory loss. I don't have the facilities to search for every utterance of Joe McCarthy, but a look at more recent times reveals many, many, many examples of the phrase "Bush regime." In fact, a search of the Nexis database for "Bush regime" yields 6,769 examples from January 20, 2001 to the present.

It was used 16 times in the New York Times, beginning with an April 4, 2001 column by Maureen Dowd -- who wrote, "Seventy-five days into the Bush regime and I'm a wreck" -- and ending with a March 6, 2009 editorial denouncing the "frightening legal claim advanced by the Bush regime to justify holding [accused terrorist Ali al-Marri]."

"Bush regime" was used 24 times in the Washington Post, beginning with a January 22, 2001 profile of Marshall Wittmann by Howard Kurtz -- who noted that Wittmann served as "a Health and Human Services deputy assistant secretary in the first Bush regime" -- and ending with an October 6, 2009 column by Dana Milbank which quoted far-left antiwar protester Medea Benjamin questioning whether the Obama administration "looks very different from the Bush regime."

Perhaps Matthews missed all of those references. If he did, he still might have heard the phrase the many times it was uttered on his own network, MSNBC. For example, on January 8 of this year, Democratic Rep. Joe Sestak said that, "In George Bush's regime, only one million jobs had been created…" On August 21, 2009, MSNBC's Ed Schultz referred to something that happened in 2006, when "the Bush regime was still in power." On October 8, 2007, Democratic strategist Steve McMahon said that "the middle class has not fared quite as well under Bush regime as…" On August 10, 2007, MSNBC played a clip of anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan referring to "the people of Iraq and Afghanistan that have been tragically harmed by the Bush regime." On September 21, 2006, a guest referred to liberals "expressing their dissatisfaction with the Bush regime." On July 7, 2004, Ralph Nader -- appearing with Matthews on "Hardball" -- discussed how he would "take apart the Bush regime." On May 26, 2003, Joe Scarborough noted a left-wing website that "has published a deck of Bush regime playing cards." A September 26, 2002 program featured a viewer email that said, "The Bush regime rhetoric gets goofier and more desperate every day."

Finally -- you knew this was coming -- on June 14, 2002, Chris Matthews himself introduced a panel discussion about a letter signed by many prominent leftists condemning the Bush administration's conduct of the war on terror. "Let's go to the Reverend Al Sharpton," Matthews said. "Reverend Sharpton, what do you make of this letter and this panoply of the left condemning the Bush regime?"

Oops. Perhaps Joe McCarthy never called the U.S. government a regime, but Chris Matthews did. And a lot of other people did, too. So now we are supposed to believe him when he expresses disgust at Rush Limbaugh doing the same?

H/T D.C. Examiner


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I don't need a lot of damning evidence to label someone a racist. Hearing someone call a black person a n*gger one time, for instance, will do it for me.


That's pretty damning evidence in my book!!!!



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Man........ I bet my Karma number is through the ROOF this morning!!!!


Happy Easter, folks...




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I attended churches for most of my life where they told me there is a Devil who tempts people to do things, and that someday God is going to judge me, and that there is a place called Hell where people who don't conform to God's plan will burn forever and ever. I bet lots of politicians go to churches now where they hear the same nonsense. Do we really want to start picking apart the senseless things that pastors say in church, and then blame the people who sit and listen to it?

I think it is just as likely that the CIA did create AIDS as it is that some of us are going to "Hell," yet I haven't heard anyone complaining because George Bush went to a church where they preached that. They preach some pretty unbelievable stuff in churches. Singling out one church, one pastor, for nonsensical views seems kind of silly to me.



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Rush Limbaugh, Chris Matthews and the 'regime' question
By: Byron York
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On Friday, I asked Rush Limbaugh for his response to President Obama's description of him as "troublesome" and of his program as "vitriol." Limbaugh told me he does not believe Obama is trying to do what is best for the country and added, "Never in my life have I seen a regime like this, governing against the will of the people, purposely."

By using the word "regime," Limbaugh was doing something he does all the time: throwing the language of the opposition back in their faces. In the Bush years, we often heard the phrase "Bush regime" from some quarters of the left. So Limbaugh applied it to Obama.

Apparently some people didn't get it. On MSNBC, Chris Matthews appeared deeply troubled by the word. "I've never seen language like this in the American press," he said, "referring to an elected representative government, elected in a totally fair, democratic, American election -- we will have another one in November, we'll have another one for president in a couple years -- fair, free, and wonderful democracy we have in this country&hellip. We know that word, 'regime.' It was used by George Bush, 'regime change.' You go to war with regimes. Regimes are tyrannies. They're juntas. They're military coups. The use of the word 'regime' in American political parlance is unacceptable, and someone should tell the walrus [Limbaugh] to stop using it."

Matthews didn't stop there. "I never heard the word 'regime,' before, have you?" he said to NBC's Chuck Todd. "I don't even think Joe McCarthy ever called this government a 'regime.'"

It appears that Matthews has suffered a major memory loss. I don't have the facilities to search for every utterance of Joe McCarthy, but a look at more recent times reveals many, many, many examples of the phrase "Bush regime." In fact, a search of the Nexis database for "Bush regime" yields 6,769 examples from January 20, 2001 to the present.

It was used 16 times in the New York Times, beginning with an April 4, 2001 column by Maureen Dowd -- who wrote, "Seventy-five days into the Bush regime and I'm a wreck" -- and ending with a March 6, 2009 editorial denouncing the "frightening legal claim advanced by the Bush regime to justify holding [accused terrorist Ali al-Marri]."

"Bush regime" was used 24 times in the Washington Post, beginning with a January 22, 2001 profile of Marshall Wittmann by Howard Kurtz -- who noted that Wittmann served as "a Health and Human Services deputy assistant secretary in the first Bush regime" -- and ending with an October 6, 2009 column by Dana Milbank which quoted far-left antiwar protester Medea Benjamin questioning whether the Obama administration "looks very different from the Bush regime."

Perhaps Matthews missed all of those references. If he did, he still might have heard the phrase the many times it was uttered on his own network, MSNBC. For example, on January 8 of this year, Democratic Rep. Joe Sestak said that, "In George Bush's regime, only one million jobs had been created…" On August 21, 2009, MSNBC's Ed Schultz referred to something that happened in 2006, when "the Bush regime was still in power." On October 8, 2007, Democratic strategist Steve McMahon said that "the middle class has not fared quite as well under Bush regime as…" On August 10, 2007, MSNBC played a clip of anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan referring to "the people of Iraq and Afghanistan that have been tragically harmed by the Bush regime." On September 21, 2006, a guest referred to liberals "expressing their dissatisfaction with the Bush regime." On July 7, 2004, Ralph Nader -- appearing with Matthews on "Hardball" -- discussed how he would "take apart the Bush regime." On May 26, 2003, Joe Scarborough noted a left-wing website that "has published a deck of Bush regime playing cards." A September 26, 2002 program featured a viewer email that said, "The Bush regime rhetoric gets goofier and more desperate every day."

Finally -- you knew this was coming -- on June 14, 2002, Chris Matthews himself introduced a panel discussion about a letter signed by many prominent leftists condemning the Bush administration's conduct of the war on terror. "Let's go to the Reverend Al Sharpton," Matthews said. "Reverend Sharpton, what do you make of this letter and this panoply of the left condemning the Bush regime?"

Oops. Perhaps Joe McCarthy never called the U.S. government a regime, but Chris Matthews did. And a lot of other people did, too. So now we are supposed to believe him when he expresses disgust at Rush Limbaugh doing the same?

H/T D.C. Examiner


I wonder if Chris Matthews and Vice President Kinnock are related? I'm serious.


I agree with Chris Matthews. Rush Limbaugh is the leader of the Republican Party, and he is engaging in insulting and inflammatory rhetoric. Pointing out that other bit players have uttered the same phrase that Leader Limbaugh uses all the time is nothing but more deflection and obstruction, all the right is capable of these days. As for that comment Matthews made to Sharpton, it sounds like he was quoting to me.

 

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Matthews didn't stop there. "I never heard the word 'regime,' before, have you?" he said to NBC's Chuck Todd. "I don't even think Joe McCarthy ever called this government a 'regime.'"




No.... Matthews is a liar, IMO.



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... In order to prove that point, you would need ME to say that the war in Iraq is a wise use of our nation's money - Right?
True enough. Won't put words in your mouth and honestly didn't mean to. I'll assume you railed against the war spending every step of the way.

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I won't hijack this thread and turn it into a discussion about Iraq, but if you want to talk about Iraq, let's talk about the present day situation of it. Obama stumped for immediate removal of troops from Iraq. Didn't happen, nor do I see it happening.
Nice little detour, but the present day is fully predicated on prior actions taken by the prior administration. It's not O's fault we're there. And you know as well as anybody that pulling out all troops in one year was never doable. If you voted for Obama based on that or even really believed that was going to happen, then you're a bit delusional. BTW, did he say it would be done in a year? I don't remember one way or another.

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