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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 09:44 AM
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Valentine is supposed to have the great baseball mind, but also has a reputation for irritating his players. There's a reason he hasn't managed in 10 years. I probably would have gone in another direction.


That's why I would be leery of hiring him in Boston. A lot of veterans on that team. I wonder what effect Valentine's personality & ego will have on the team.

[Edited on 12/6/2011 by Lee]

 

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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 10:11 AM
I watched all the proceedings at Fenway Park yesterday with a fairly critical eye. While I recognized that it was a tightly choreographed show intended, at least part, to deflect from the negative personality traits that are part of his reputation, I still came away feeling pretty optimistic about 2012. Granted I WANT to be able to accept this, so I am biased, but I am warming to the notion of Bobby V as manager of my Red Sox.

A couple of points that seem to be relevant, at least to me...

- He hasn't managed in the majors for close to 10 years. But he did manage in Japan for a good chunk of that time and during an interview on NESN last night he talked about how that experience impacted his outlook on how to work with players and conduct himself. He's also had other life experiences both in and out of the game as well since the bad ending in NY. Most people tend to evolve/change over the course of 10 years, and I don't think Bobby V is necessarily an exception to that. We'll see, but for now I am willing to think the Bobby V of 2012 is NOT the same Bobby V as 2002.

- Steve Phillips was on the radio after the hiring and talked about the Mets years and took a lot of the blame for what happened in NY on himself. He said he thinks it is the right hire for Boston and that he would hire Bobby V again if he ever had the chance. Taken at face value, and given the reported level of acrimony between the two, that tells me something.

- If he does happen to irritate a few players, GOOD. There did seem to be some prima donna type stuff going on for a handful of players last season. Perhaps if Francona had been more irritible and less forgiving, things might have ended better in Sept.

- Bobby V has 15 years of manager experience in the bigs...8 years with one team and 7 with another. Those are pretty long tenures by MLB standards. Francona was lambasted when he was hired because of his rather ugly history in Philly, but then had success in Boston and went on to last 8 years before the wheels fell off.

The long and short of it for me is that he deserves a chance to succeed before declaring him a failure. If nothing else, it will be entertaining. All in all, the 2012 MLB season can't get here soon enough.




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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 10:26 AM
Well said...
all the speculation & maybes etc. won't mean anything until they get started -- he seems like a good choice to me -- obviously appreciative, & old-timers appreciate his mention of Tony C in wearing #25 as well
good luck Bobby V & go Sox

 

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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 11:47 AM
Speaking of Steve Phillips, I miss that guy. Shame about that whole incident.

 

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  posted on 12/5/2011 at 06:12 PM
So the wife just calls. She is out for drinks to celebrate her friend's birthday. They are at Harry Carry's restaurant in downtown Chicago. She sees Ernie Banks sitting at a table in the dining room area by himself and she won't approach him to get me an autograph.

IT'S ERNIE BANKS!

 

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  posted on 12/5/2011 at 09:31 PM
Wife?

 

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  posted on 12/5/2011 at 10:09 PM
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So the wife just calls. She is out for drinks to celebrate her friend's birthday. They are at Harry Carry's restaurant in downtown Chicago. She sees Ernie Banks sitting at a table in the dining room area by himself and she won't approach him to get me an autograph.

IT'S ERNIE BANKS!


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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 06:57 AM
Well, Ron Santo gets in The Hall a little late.

Real shame that he didn't get in before his passing. That's all he wanted.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 03:32 PM
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Well, Ron Santo gets in The Hall a little late.

Real shame that he didn't get in before his passing. That's all he wanted.


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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 08:35 AM
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Well, Ron Santo gets in The Hall a little late.

Real shame that he didn't get in before his passing. That's all he wanted.


x2.


X 3

Just wondering if he was eligible for the Vet Commitee before this year

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 08:35 AM
And how the heck is Jim Kaat not in??

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 01:04 PM
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And how the heck is Jim Kaat not in??



He may have the most wins without induction. Guys with long/steady careers rather than a few dominating years usually get hurt in the voting. Don Sutton wasn't better; just made it to 300 wins

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 01:27 PM
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And how the heck is Jim Kaat not in??



He may have the most wins without induction. Guys with long/steady careers rather than a few dominating years usually get hurt in the voting. Don Sutton wasn't better; just made it to 300 wins


Tommy John has 288 to Kitty's 283

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 02:10 PM
There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics.


With all due respect to Kaat and John, pitchers got a lot more decisions back in their day as they pitched longer into the game. Same reason they have more losses as well. The Niekros lost a ton of games just because they pitched so much.

I guess I would just be careful about hanging my hat on stats.

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 03:40 PM
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There are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics.


With all due respect to Kaat and John, pitchers got a lot more decisions back in their day as they pitched longer into the game. Same reason they have more losses as well. The Niekros lost a ton of games just because they pitched so much.

I guess I would just be careful about hanging my hat on stats.


That is true; kind of like Santo's homerun totals looking better when seeing when he played. Kaat and John are legitimate hall of fame candidates; though whether they deserve induction is an opinion matter. Same with Gil Hodges and Tony Oliva, While 10 years are needed to be eligible, ten good years makes you a marginal candidate. Bernie Williams played 15 good years, but with todays stats and the better conditioning of the players I don't think he is as good a candidate as Hodges.

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 04:21 PM
One theory on potential HOF inductees.....If a lot of pro and con discussion is necessary, that probably means NO. Call them really good players and leave it at that.



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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 04:36 PM
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One theory on potential HOF inductees.....If a lot of pro and con discussion is necessary, that probably means NO. Call them really good players and leave it at that.



[Edited on 12/7/2011 by alloak41]


A weak class this year; Santo may go in by himself. That would be very bad for the upstate NY economy which gets a boost the induction weekend.


Larkin, Morris, Smith, Raines and Bagwell seem the best shots. Larkin and Morris got 62 and 54% of the vote last year and may benefit from the relative lack of competition

 

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  posted on 12/8/2011 at 12:21 AM
Bernie wont get in..

But I can guarantee no Yankee will ever wear #51 again.

Not sure why they are even waiting to retire it officailly at this point.

But damn it makes me feel OLD with him even on the ballot

 

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  posted on 12/8/2011 at 01:34 AM
I think Larkin will get in.

I doubt Morris will. He's interesting in that I think he has 254 wins and probably won't make it but if a guy started playing today and ended up with that many wins, he would likely get in.

All subjective.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2011 at 09:08 AM
250-275 is the new 300.

I will be interested to see how Mike Mussina fares when he is due.

I have never been there for an induction, but if Bernie or Moose does happen to get in...

Im there

Of course I am already planning to be there for Jeter and Mo

 

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  posted on 12/8/2011 at 09:36 AM
Think they have a shot?

 

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  posted on 12/8/2011 at 10:39 AM
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Think they have a shot?


If you are referring to Jeter and Mo...they have a shot only if they ever decide to retire.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2011 at 10:43 AM
Albert Pujols to the Angels. I am not a Cards fan but I hoped he would just stay put where he was. I guess the guy needed a few more million bucks. Must be having problems feeding his family.

What a shame. How much money does a person need?

 

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  posted on 12/8/2011 at 10:47 AM
I think it was more ego than money - he wanted to be the highest paid.....

I think a 10-year contract would have been crazy for the Cardinals...... but with the DH in the American League it might work out for them......

Cardinals will move Berkman to first and play Craig more in the outfield..... I think they will be ok.....

They also lost Dotel to the Tigers - he was good for them last year, but he is 37.....


If the Angels also get CJ Wilson I hope they become the 'dream team' like the Eagles did.....

[Edited on 12/8/2011 by Sang]

 

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  posted on 12/8/2011 at 11:04 AM
I think it still stinks. I hoped he would play his whole career for the same team.

 

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