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Still losijng is part of rooting for a team and even though it seems like they win every year, the Yankees have lost 3 times as much as they have won.


Yeah, having 27 championships sure does make someone feel bad for them...


I doubt a Yankee fan alive expects anyone to feel bad for them. I take solace in the past victories and look forward to future ones which I am certain are coming. My point is just that the Yankees do not win every year and we fans look forward to and get excited about winning it all much as others do. We do not expect to win. We appreciate it when we do and get disappointed when we don't. I would never waste my time aggressively rooting for another team to fail. It seems silly.



Doug, I spent nearly all of my 20s in the restaurant and bar business, 6 of them as a bartender, most of that time in Chicago. I served a lot of people from New York and a lot of Yankee fans. I know you like to speak for people as a giant group but this humble graciousness that you describe has rarely come forth from the Yankee fans from New York I have encountered over the years.

As far as silliness regarding other teams failing, are you telling me there's not one Yankee fan that loves it when the Red Sox lose? C'mon, now. Seriously.


Yankee fans are not gracious any more than other teams fans are. I never said that. I said we don't expect people to feel sorry for us. I agree a lot of Yankee fans do take pleasure when the Red Sox lose. I am not one of them. I couldn't care less if the Red Sox win or lose as long as it's not beating the Yankees. Nevertheless, I cannot see Yankee fans platering their Face Book status with rooting for and cheering for an opponent of the Red Sox. I could be wrong about that but I just don't think so. It's more like hah hah they suck than a deep and serious desire to see them lose that approaches or exceeds the desire of their own team to win. I seriously believe that Mets and Red Sox fans are rooting for the Rangers with the same fervor they root for the Mets and Red Sox. I actually think that's cool. It's nice to have a rooting interest even when your team is not in it. I personally tend to lose interest in baseball when the Yankees are not playing. I never root for or against anyone else.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2010 at 03:30 PM
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And another thing I guess I'm sick of people lumping all of a team's fans into one negative group of people. Are there Yankee fans that are overbearing? Sure. Just like fans from every single sporting team out there.

I've been a Yankees fan since I can remember being a fan of anyone. My Dad is a Yankee fan. I'm just a dude from the midwest that happens to like the Yankees. They're my team - they've always been my team. All through the 80s and early 90s when they were finishing in last place. They were still my team. I cheer for them with as much enthusiasm as anyone cheering for their team.

I just don't understand why most people brand all Yankee fans as overbearing thugs. I'll never get that. I understand that people don't like the Yankees. As I said, I think that's good for baseball. But to lump al their fans into a less than flattering category, isn't right.

The Yankees are just my favorite team. That's all. Just like anyone's favorite...


[Edited on 10/20/2010 by Sandman]


Every team has thuggish fans. Every single one. Yankee fans are great and dedicated. I went through a lot of years, as you point out, where the Yankees did not win anything. A lot of years.

 

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Still losijng is part of rooting for a team and even though it seems like they win every year, the Yankees have lost 3 times as much as they have won.


Yeah, having 27 championships sure does make someone feel bad for them...


I doubt a Yankee fan alive expects anyone to feel bad for them. I take solace in the past victories and look forward to future ones which I am certain are coming. My point is just that the Yankees do not win every year and we fans look forward to and get excited about winning it all much as others do. We do not expect to win. We appreciate it when we do and get disappointed when we don't. I would never waste my time aggressively rooting for another team to fail. It seems silly.

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I take solace in watching the great Yankee fans fleeing the stadium in the 7th inning.


Anything to give you solace. I bet if they started the damn game at 7 less people would leave early. Just saying.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2010 at 03:31 PM
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I just don't understand why most people brand all Yankee fans as overbearing thugs. I'll never get that. I understand that people don't like the Yankees. As I said, I think that's good for baseball. But to lump al their fans into a less than flattering category, isn't right.


I didn't do that. I was specifically referring to Yankee fans from New York that I have had personal encounters with in the past. Doug was speaking in the collective "we." I was simply responding that in my own personal experience that wasn't the case.





How come you get to generalize based on your personal experience but I don't?

 

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That's quite a bullpen the Yankees have.


Not to mention that hometown dedication to staying to the end.


I'd reckon you'd get that anywhere. How many people were even showing up to KC games near the end of the season?

I haven't given up yet...



App;es and oranges. KC is a team with ownership that doesn't care about the product. The Yankee fans were leaving from a playoff game that was still going on. What, can't the Yankees come back when they are losing?


I would never leave a game early but again I don't think it's fair to make a generalization of the fans in general based on this. What about the millions who kept the tv on until the last pitch?

 

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  posted on 10/20/2010 at 03:33 PM
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I can only assume they favor east coast coverage because of ratings, pure and simple.


Like it or not, the Yankees and Boston are good for baseball. They bring up attendance everywhere they go. They bring ratings which ultimately helps the sport.



That's why there should be a six team superleague. Hell, how about the Sox and Yankees just play 81 games at Yankee Stadium and 81 games at Fenway every year?


That would be only two teams. That might get boring.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2010 at 03:39 PM
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I would never leave a game early but again I don't think it's fair to make a generalization of the fans in general based on this. What about the millions who kept the tv on until the last pitch?


You were the only one actually watching. Everyone else had left the room and just forgot to turn off the TV.

 

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Still losijng is part of rooting for a team and even though it seems like they win every year, the Yankees have lost 3 times as much as they have won.


Yeah, having 27 championships sure does make someone feel bad for them...


I doubt a Yankee fan alive expects anyone to feel bad for them. I take solace in the past victories and look forward to future ones which I am certain are coming. My point is just that the Yankees do not win every year and we fans look forward to and get excited about winning it all much as others do. We do not expect to win. We appreciate it when we do and get disappointed when we don't. I would never waste my time aggressively rooting for another team to fail. It seems silly.

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I take solace in watching the great Yankee fans fleeing the stadium in the 7th inning.


Anything to give you solace. I bet if they started the damn game at 7 less people would leave early. Just saying.


Yeah that's it. The score had nothing to do with it. Coincidence.


The score had everything to do with it. But if it were 10:30 instead of 11:30 I bet most would have stayed anyway.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2010 at 03:50 PM
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It's funny but I think this is a case of displacement. The Yankee fans I know are out there talking Yankee baseball and rooting for the team. The Yankee haters I know seem to feel a need to constantly bash not just the Yankee organization but their fans and seem to get an extreme plesure when the Yankees fail. It's just my observation. Being from Queens I certainly know as many Yankee loathers as Yankee lovers.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2010 at 04:32 PM
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I just don't understand why most people brand all Yankee fans as overbearing thugs. I'll never get that. I understand that people don't like the Yankees. As I said, I think that's good for baseball. But to lump al their fans into a less than flattering category, isn't right.


I didn't do that. I was specifically referring to Yankee fans from New York that I have had personal encounters with in the past. Doug was speaking in the collective "we." I was simply responding that in my own personal experience that wasn't the case.





How come you get to generalize based on your personal experience but I don't?


Because I never generalized the entire Yankee fan base down to the last person. You used the word "we" which to me infers that you are speaking for all.

I simply noted that I had met Yankee fans from New York that were not as gracious and pleasant as you described them as all being. Pretty simple.

 

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I can only assume they favor east coast coverage because of ratings, pure and simple.


Like it or not, the Yankees and Boston are good for baseball. They bring up attendance everywhere they go. They bring ratings which ultimately helps the sport.



That's why there should be a six team superleague. Hell, how about the Sox and Yankees just play 81 games at Yankee Stadium and 81 games at Fenway every year?


That would be only two teams. That might get boring.


I'll bet it wouldn't to Sox and Yankee fans.

 

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It's funny but I think this is a case of displacement. The Yankee fans I know are out there talking Yankee baseball and rooting for the team. The Yankee haters I know seem to feel a need to constantly bash not just the Yankee organization but their fans and seem to get an extreme plesure when the Yankees fail. It's just my observation. Being from Queens I certainly know as many Yankee loathers as Yankee lovers.


It only needs a few women in it, women yankee fans are even more obnoxious than the men. Other than that, it seems to fit the vast majority of yankee fans to a "T" (present company exlcuded of course). The Yankee fans I know are Red Sox haters and seem to feel a need to constantly bash not just the Red Sox organization but their fans and seem to get an extreme plesure when the Red Sox fail.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2010 at 07:20 PM
Rangers 0, Yankees 0, Top 1

Even though Sabathia gave up two hits, the Rangers didn't score in the first inning. That was pretty big. I could have seen them fall apart a bit had the Rangers come out firing. Sabathia got Vlad Guerrero to strike out looking to end the inning. That's a rarity. He's usually swinging at anything and everything -- close or not.

Pre-game

It's pretty quiet here at Yankee Stadium, just before first pitch. There are a surprising number of empty seats, even for a 4 p.m. start. It's the playoffs, after all.

There's just no real buzz right now, with the Yankees on the brink of elimination. If even the appearance of Bucky Dent and Aaron Boone couldn't get the crowd excited, what hope is there? In truth, it does seem like the Yankees have a good chance at this one. Sabathia would seem to be due for a good start. But who knows?

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/

 

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  posted on 10/20/2010 at 08:22 PM
Man! Leave the house for a minute and look what the heck happens!!
5-0 Yanks.

 

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I just don't understand why most people brand all Yankee fans as overbearing thugs. I'll never get that. I understand that people don't like the Yankees. As I said, I think that's good for baseball. But to lump al their fans into a less than flattering category, isn't right.


I didn't do that. I was specifically referring to Yankee fans from New York that I have had personal encounters with in the past. Doug was speaking in the collective "we." I was simply responding that in my own personal experience that wasn't the case.





How come you get to generalize based on your personal experience but I don't?


Because I never generalized the entire Yankee fan base down to the last person. You used the word "we" which to me infers that you are speaking for all.

I simply noted that I had met Yankee fans from New York that were not as gracious and pleasant as you described them as all being. Pretty simple.


Ridiculous. n I never described them ALL as being anything and you know it.

 

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I can only assume they favor east coast coverage because of ratings, pure and simple.


Like it or not, the Yankees and Boston are good for baseball. They bring up attendance everywhere they go. They bring ratings which ultimately helps the sport.



That's why there should be a six team superleague. Hell, how about the Sox and Yankees just play 81 games at Yankee Stadium and 81 games at Fenway every year?


That would be only two teams. That might get boring.


I'll bet it wouldn't to Sox and Yankee fans.


Speaking as a Yankee fan to me it would.

 

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It's funny but I think this is a case of displacement. The Yankee fans I know are out there talking Yankee baseball and rooting for the team. The Yankee haters I know seem to feel a need to constantly bash not just the Yankee organization but their fans and seem to get an extreme plesure when the Yankees fail. It's just my observation. Being from Queens I certainly know as many Yankee loathers as Yankee lovers.


Cry me a river. I've attended games at Yankee Stadium. I know how their fans are.


Whatever. All other ball parks are a garden of eden with decent gentle souls. Only the evil vile Yankee Stadium. Give it up already. It's old and damn whiny frankly.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2010 at 08:52 PM
You think there's a buzz now?

 

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It's funny but I think this is a case of displacement. The Yankee fans I know are out there talking Yankee baseball and rooting for the team. The Yankee haters I know seem to feel a need to constantly bash not just the Yankee organization but their fans and seem to get an extreme plesure when the Yankees fail. It's just my observation. Being from Queens I certainly know as many Yankee loathers as Yankee lovers.


Cry me a river. I've attended games at Yankee Stadium. I know how their fans are.


Whatever. All other ball parks are a garden of eden with decent gentle souls. Only the evil vile Yankee Stadium. Give it up already. It's old and damn whiny frankly.


Ballparks I have attended games at in my life

Ebbets Field
Polo Grounds
Yankee Stadium (old0
Shea Stadium
Veterans Stadium
Coors Field
Chase Field (Arizona)
AT&T Park (SF)
Dodger Stadium


I think I can form an opinion on fans based on that.


Yes you can. And yes the souls at Shea are well known for their decent gentility. Phillies fans are extremely well known for their politeness. Whatever.

 

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It's funny but I think this is a case of displacement. The Yankee fans I know are out there talking Yankee baseball and rooting for the team. The Yankee haters I know seem to feel a need to constantly bash not just the Yankee organization but their fans and seem to get an extreme plesure when the Yankees fail. It's just my observation. Being from Queens I certainly know as many Yankee loathers as Yankee lovers.


Cry me a river. I've attended games at Yankee Stadium. I know how their fans are.


Whatever. All other ball parks are a garden of eden with decent gentle souls. Only the evil vile Yankee Stadium. Give it up already. It's old and damn whiny frankly.


Ballparks I have attended games at in my life

Ebbets Field
Polo Grounds
Yankee Stadium (old0
Shea Stadium
Veterans Stadium
Coors Field
Chase Field (Arizona)
AT&T Park (SF)
Dodger Stadium


I think I can form an opinion on fans based on that.


Yes you can. And yes the souls at Shea are well known for their decent gentility. Phillies fans are extremely well known for their politeness. Whatever.


I never had a problem with anyone at Veterans Stadium. In fact, they were very friendly to opposing fans. Their venom was always directed at someone on the field, be it a Phillie, Met, Eagle or Santa Claus.

One thing I noticed at Shea was that there were a certain number of fans who were frontrunners. They were Mets fans when they were going well and Yankee fans when the Yankees were doing well. They also had the market cornered on obnoxious. The atmosphere at Shea was always better when they weren't good than it was when they were doing well.


Look I've attended many sports events in NYC.There are drunken **** s everywhere and most people are fine and decent. I was at Shea Stadium in 1984 back when the Cubs were the hated rival that year (The Mets rival is the team that beats them that year) I saw a group of Mets fans literally rip a Cubs jersey off someone in the crowd.To be fair I . saw a group do that to someone wearing a Red Sox shirt at Yankee Stadium.I have no doubt something like that could happen to a Yankee fan at Fenway. Is it cool?No. Is it acceptable? No.Is it indicative of all fans? Of course not. I will leave it at that.

 

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Look I've attended many sports events in NYC.There are drunken **** s everywhere and most people are fine and decent. I was at Shea Stadium in 1984 back when the Cubs were the hated rival that year (The Mets rival is the team that beats them that year) I saw a group of Mets fans literally rip a Cubs jersey off someone in the crowd.To be fair I . saw a group do that to someone wearing a Red Sox shirt at Yankee Stadium.I have no doubt something like that could happen to a Yankee fan at Fenway. Is it cool?No. Is it acceptable? No.Is it indicative of all fans? Of course not. I will leave it at that.




I would say it is felony assault

 

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Look I've attended many sports events in NYC.There are drunken **** s everywhere and most people are fine and decent. I was at Shea Stadium in 1984 back when the Cubs were the hated rival that year (The Mets rival is the team that beats them that year) I saw a group of Mets fans literally rip a Cubs jersey off someone in the crowd.To be fair I . saw a group do that to someone wearing a Red Sox shirt at Yankee Stadium.I have no doubt something like that could happen to a Yankee fan at Fenway. Is it cool?No. Is it acceptable? No.Is it indicative of all fans? Of course not. I will leave it at that.




I would say it is felony assault


I would say you are right.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2010 at 10:24 PM
i have been to Memorial Field, Orioles Park, RFK, Nationals Park, Three Rivers and Candlestick for baseball.

Seeing Willie Mays play at Three Rivers was the best. Almost caught a foul ball he hit in BP.

The most mellow crowd was at The Stick, lost to the cubs
and it was still groovy.


 

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i have been to Memorial Field, Orioles Park, RFK, Nationals Park, Three Rivers and Candlestick for baseball.

Seeing Willie Mays play at Three Rivers was the best. Almost caught a foul ball he hit in BP.

The most mellow crowd was at The Stick, lost to the cubs
and it was still groovy.





Was it a baseball game or a Dead concert?

 

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