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  posted on 1/24/2010 at 09:40 PM
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  posted on 1/24/2010 at 10:45 PM
Live by the Favre, die by the Favre.
 

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  posted on 1/24/2010 at 10:56 PM
protecting the ball does not look very stylish on youtube and sports shows. And we all know todays players are all about looking cool. Flail thoses arms and hang the ball out there, and don't bothers swithing hands to the other side of an oncoming tackler and that's what you'll get.
Lombardi would have these players today sleeping with the football through the whole off season.

 

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  posted on 1/24/2010 at 11:14 PM
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protecting the ball does not look very stylish on youtube and sports shows. And we all know todays players are all about looking cool. Flail thoses arms and hang the ball out there, and don't bothers swithing hands to the other side of an oncoming tackler and that's what you'll get.
Lombardi would have these players today sleeping with the football through the whole off season.


Don't know if you read the Lombardi bio a few years ago (When Pride Mattered) but there is a funny bit about how the players weren't allowed to drink in the hotel bar. Seems Vince sent his coaches in ahead of him to get Hornung out of there before he would catch his "pet" in a compromising position. Vince always had a soft spot for Paul.

P.S. Am I the only one who thinks Brett threw that interception at the end rather than running because his ankle was hurt worse than it looked?

 

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  posted on 1/24/2010 at 11:43 PM
you would think those players were Jewish and had a hard time handiling that "pigskin"

 

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  posted on 1/24/2010 at 11:49 PM
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protecting the ball does not look very stylish on youtube and sports shows. And we all know todays players are all about looking cool. Flail thoses arms and hang the ball out there, and don't bothers swithing hands to the other side of an oncoming tackler and that's what you'll get.
Lombardi would have these players today sleeping with the football through the whole off season.


Don't know if you read the Lombardi bio a few years ago (When Pride Mattered) but there is a funny bit about how the players weren't allowed to drink in the hotel bar. Seems Vince sent his coaches in ahead of him to get Hornung out of there before he would catch his "pet" in a compromising position. Vince always had a soft spot for Paul.

P.S. Am I the only one who thinks Brett threw that interception at the end rather than running because his ankle was hurt worse than it looked?
With all thge hits he took that game I would there was not a part of his body that was not hurt, but he should not have passed but rather run and slide into field goal range.

Read the VL bio..great book. I also remember the Jerry Kramer book from years ago, and the story of Hornung getting progressively fined for staying out past curfew with another lady after another till the fine reached $1000! He told Paul the next time he gets caught it would cost him this $1000 (a lot of money then). After a few beats he adds.."and Paul, if you find anything out there worth $1000, ...wake me, I'm coming with you!

 

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  posted on 1/24/2010 at 11:56 PM
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protecting the ball does not look very stylish on youtube and sports shows. And we all know todays players are all about looking cool. Flail thoses arms and hang the ball out there, and don't bothers swithing hands to the other side of an oncoming tackler and that's what you'll get.
Lombardi would have these players today sleeping with the football through the whole off season.


Peterson needs to go to the Tiki Barber school of ball security this offseason. He is such a jitterbug runner that the ball leaves the protection of his body so often. He really needs to address that this offseason.

I was watching some extensive Jim Brown highlights the other day and I was amazed how recklessly he carried the ball. I don't know what his fumble numbers are, he certainly was never known as a fumbler, but by today's standards his ball carrying style would need immediate attention. So I don't know if ball security issues are isolated to today's runners so much.

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P.S. Am I the only one who thinks Brett threw that interception at the end rather than running because his ankle was hurt worse than it looked?


That play was a familiar snap shot of Brett's career. No I don't think his injury had anything to do with him not running. He is a gun slinger. Healthy Brett would not have run either. He's the kind of QB that breaks the rules of QB fundamentals, often he has gotten away with it and other times he has not. The fact that his 20 year career could end on a ball thrown across his body late over the middle, the cardinal sin of QB play, is somewhat fitting.

The penalty before that play was really something else. They were just off a time out and get flagged for 12 men in the huddle, trying to out smart the Saints and they got cute in the huddle with personnel would really make me mad if I was a Viking fan. Maybe they would have thrown the ball anyway, I tend to think they would have run it, but if they would have thrown it even had there been no penalty I suspect the play call would have been different, something just designed to get around 5 yards. Instead they were forced to get close to 10 and Farve gambled and lost. Has Farve's last 3 playoff runs all ended by him throwing a pick? I love the guy and all the retire unretire stuff aside, it will be sad to him finally hang it up, but that doesn't change the fact that his style of play is and always has been very high risk high reward stuff.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 12:16 AM
the ref's had the worst case of homefield advantage during overtime that i've ever seen

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 12:22 AM
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the ref's had the worst case of himefield advantage during overtime that i've ever seen


Maybe they were making up for the calls that Minnesota got in regulation. Other than the pass interference on Leber that probably shouldn't have been called, what were you upset with? The holding call on Asher Allen was very legit.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 01:34 AM
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Maybe they were making up for the calls that Minnesota got in regulation. Other than the pass interference on Leber that probably shouldn't have been called, what were you upset with? The holding call on Asher Allen was very legit.


the pass interference call was the main one plus that same play a saints player was holding big time to keep brees from being hit and it wasn't called. that 4th and inches conversion is a little sketchy. it appears the ball was knocked loose in the air and recovered near the waist which was not past the markers. there is also a pass that maybe hit the ground but is too close to call

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 07:30 AM
Who else thinks that was Favre's last game? He certainly took a beating yeaterday. Judging from the looks on his wife's face during several crowd shots, if she's got anything to say about it Brett's done.
 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 07:52 AM
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Who else thinks that was Favre's last game? He certainly took a beating yeaterday. Judging from the looks on his wife's face during several crowd shots, if she's got anything to say about it Brett's done.


Never can tell with that drama queen. No doubt he'll hold the Vikings hostage right up until the last possible minute.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 09:21 AM
He is certainly is a drama queen and hopefully he's call it a career.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 10:03 AM
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the ref's had the worst case of himefield advantage during overtime that i've ever seen


Maybe they were making up for the calls that Minnesota got in regulation. Other than the pass interference on Leber that probably shouldn't have been called, what were you upset with? The holding call on Asher Allen was very legit.


the pass interference call was the main one plus that same play a saints player was holding big time to keep brees from being hit and it wasn't called. that 4th and inches conversion is a little sketchy. it appears the ball was knocked loose in the air and recovered near the waist which was not past the markers. there is also a pass that maybe hit the ground but is too close to call


Points taken.

We agree on the pass interference call.

The 4th down play was very close. Thomas lost control of the ball, but not possession I don't think. So is it a forward progress ruling? Had he clearly fumbled it might have been different.

The catch hitting the ground is questionable. One of those plays that had they ruled it incomplete on the field it probably would have stayed that way with replay. That was a big play on 2nd and long, but I just look at it as a close call that could have went either way.

The Saints benefited from some gray area calls in OT. I'll agree to that. But still it kind of balanced some things out from calls that went against them in regulation.

Great game.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 10:53 AM
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Maybe they were making up for the calls that Minnesota got in regulation. Other than the pass interference on Leber that probably shouldn't have been called, what were you upset with? The holding call on Asher Allen was very legit.


Well that PI call basically sealed the deal for the Saints .

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 11:18 AM

Glad the the Saints won but I really hate the NFL overtime rule.
It would be nice to see both teams get a chance on Offense.
Especially when its a game that means this much.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 11:25 AM
As a long time Packer fan let me just say I am glad this Favre in Purple experiment is over, and not surprised how it ended. The Saints stopped a Wisconsin state-wide mass suicide. As much as Favre has done for the Packers over the years without Holmgren to reel him in, he has ended the Packers' seasons with bad interceptions over the last 10 years more times than I can count (vs. Giants '07, vs. Eagles '03, vs. Rams '01). When you combine that with a legendary choke machine like the Vikings, it's almost surprising it was as close as it was.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 11:37 AM
Favres m.o. is throwing interceptions at the worst time and Petersons m.o. is that he fumbles. Everyone knows this, so it shouldn't be a surprise. I'm so glad that Favres tem didn't win. I never really liked him, especially since he laid down way back when & let Strahan fall on top of him for the sack record.
 

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Maybe they were making up for the calls that Minnesota got in regulation. Other than the pass interference on Leber that probably shouldn't have been called, what were you upset with? The holding call on Asher Allen was very legit.


Well that PI call basically sealed the deal for the Saints .


But when that call happened it was only 1st and 10. The Saints would have 2 more plays to make first down yardage. Had the call not been made who knows, maybe the Saints score on their next play had it been 2nd and 10. Maybe the Vikings pick it off and score a TD. Nobody knows, but saying that call sealed the win for the Saints is wrong in my opinion. I'd say the questionable catch by Meachem was a much bigger play since it happened on 2nd and what 15? Had that pass been incomplete it would have made for a very interesting 3rd down and long call and potentially a tougher FG. You just never know what could have happened because the play calls by both the defense and offense might be different. Maybe Brees gets sacked and fumbles on 3rd and long. Maybe the Vikings pick him off or maybe he hits Henderson in the seam for a TD. All we know is what happened, anything else is speculation that we will never know.

Anyway, the game didn't end on that pass interference penalty however questionable it was. But if Leber had played it differently maybe he shouldn't have given the ref a reason to even think about throwing the flag. The ball wasn't catchable so why did Leber feel the need to make any play on the Saints guy? When you put a questionable decision in the hands of the ref you just never know what way it will go. All you can control is your play, which in this case Leber could have done better.

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Glad the the Saints won but I really hate the NFL overtime rule.
It would be nice to see both teams get a chance on Offense.
Especially when its a game that means this much.


I have no problem with the NFL overtime rule. As if the Vikings didn't have enough chances in regulation they should be given another chance in OT? Vikings could have played better, they squandered opportunities. Nobody shouldn't blame OT rules, Vikings can only blame themselves. Make the most of the opportunities you have because you can't expect to be given second chances.



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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 12:48 PM
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You don't hear "and that's Rabinowitz to Greenbaum for the score" very often!

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 12:58 PM
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You don't hear "and that's Rabinowitz to Greenbaum for the score" very often!


With the current leftward political swing in the country I could probably sue the NFL for descrimination and win.

But don't forget, we did have Sid Luckman, and nbody ever got the best of Koufax till he faced off with Madoff who is another tribe member,

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 02:03 PM
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As a long time Packer fan let me just say I am glad this Favre in Purple experiment is over, and not surprised how it ended. The Saints stopped a Wisconsin state-wide mass suicide. As much as Favre has done for the Packers over the years without Holmgren to reel him in, he has ended the Packers' seasons with bad interceptions over the last 10 years more times than I can count (vs. Giants '07, vs. Eagles '03, vs. Rams '01). When you combine that with a legendary choke machine like the Vikings, it's almost surprising it was as close as it was.


Surprisingly a heck of a lot of people I know were pulling for him in the hope that he would win and then go away for good.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 03:49 PM
For an NFC Championship game that went into overtime it was pretty damn sloppy and boring. I was pulling for the Vikings but they deserved to lose with all of those turnovers.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 04:11 PM
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Who else thinks that was Favre's last game?


We can only hope...I was watching the NFL channel's post game show when they cut "Live" to Brett Favre on the podium!....zzzzzzzz. The next ten minutes focused on Brett's future... "I've made my decision"... He would say...."Oh...I've made my decision"... Please! Spare us....

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if she's got anything to say about it Brett's done.


How can Brett the Great step down after that throw? He'll be back, but not 'til he's milked it for all it's worth....

He made THE Bonehead play of the Season. You're a 20 year vet, future H.O.F. SB Champion. You know how to win. Put your head down and run for the 5 extra yards. That's your job. Get the ball closer to the FG kickers comfort zone.

WITHOUT TURNING IT OVER!!!

 

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  posted on 1/25/2010 at 05:31 PM
I think Farve played a great game and made one stupid mistake and paid for it. After the beating he took it is amazing he was still upright and on the field at the end. The loss however is not his fault IMO. Had they not fummbled the ball so much and weren't totally screwed on that last phantom pass interference call they would have easily won. They pretty much dominated most of the game at the line of scrimage except for the inept pass protection. I can't remember the last time I saw a quarterback take such a brutal beating.

 

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