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  posted on 12/1/2009 at 04:33 PM
personally myself I could take them or leave them would rather listen to bands like Black sabbath,Deep purple and Alice in chains but I am sure they probably put out a great live show.
 
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  posted on 12/1/2009 at 04:42 PM
I think they were great . They changed music and opened a lot of doors for heavy bands. In 1990 they got sucked into the M.T.V. way of making music and it all went down hill. Master of Puppets is and always will be a classic
 

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  posted on 12/1/2009 at 05:13 PM
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I think they were great . They changed music and opened a lot of doors for heavy bands. In 1990 they got sucked into the M.T.V. way of making music and it all went down hill. Master of Puppets is and always will be a classic


agreed, when they started, they were like no other...now they sound just like the rest

 

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  posted on 12/1/2009 at 05:24 PM
Yeah . . . there are/were [at least] two Metallicas. As Wannabe says, up to and including the Black Album. I think after that they made the conscious decision to make a different kind of music. O.k. for them, but I didn't really care for their "alternative rock" phase. I was a metal head.

Listening to "Black" now.

 

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  posted on 12/1/2009 at 05:55 PM
Neither fan nor Metallica hater. Seen them, 4 times between the Justice For All and Black album. I personally prefer "classic" heavy metal over trash, speed & death metal. Like bands like Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Saxon much more. That being said i would say that
"Ride The Lightning" is my favorite Metallica release since my 2 favorite Metallica songs are on it: "For Whom The Bells Toll" and especially "Fade To Black". So far i know they still put on a great and lenghty live show but the stuff they released in recent years is not my cup of tea.

 

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  posted on 12/1/2009 at 06:10 PM
I dig them...Orig. line-up ,middle line-up & current version....

 

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  posted on 12/1/2009 at 07:01 PM
My take is they are one of the few bands that perfected their genre. And that probably was 'proven' w/Master of Puppets. Justice 4 All was GREAT as well. Ever since they've drifted. I know the Black Albums was solid but they lost me w/'Nothing Else Matters'.

Now they're stuck between 'there old stuff is better' and 'How do you improve on perfection?'. It's a no win.

They do amazing shows, that's fo' sure....

 

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  posted on 12/1/2009 at 07:20 PM
Metallica Sucks!


(this was the old fan club motto )

[Edited on 12/2/2009 by spacemonkey]

 

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  posted on 12/1/2009 at 07:39 PM
hugh, would you consider changing that 'strobing' chick picture ? it's really aggravating in a epileptic-seizure inducing way, no offense? it holds up the thread, memory-intensive all that **** with dialup.
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  posted on 12/1/2009 at 08:24 PM
since 1996 they are a band lost in its own image. since 1996 they were grunge, then nu metal now they are trying to sound like thrash again but have no clue how to write those styles of tunes anymore. the songs on death magnetic sound like riffs just cobbled together to make the song long. there is no flow to any song on there. james wants to do country stuff now, robert trujillo (sp?) is more of a punk bassists with a slight funk element, kirk would rather be surfing and lars is no longer the monster on drums he was 20 years ago. bad knees are hurting his double bass drum work. before 1996 though they were on fire and even load/reload and death magnetic have some tunes that are listenable. stay away fom st anger though
 

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  posted on 12/1/2009 at 09:25 PM
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hugh, would you consider changing that 'strobing' chick picture ? it's really aggravating in a epileptic-seizure inducing way, no offense? it holds up the thread, memory-intensive all that **** with dialup.
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I haven't done a full investigation, but this might be the first time in history that Leon Russell has been mistaken for a "chick."

 

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  posted on 12/1/2009 at 09:33 PM
Not for me , just not my thing .

 

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  posted on 12/1/2009 at 10:26 PM
jumped the shark w/ that first luv ballad

some of their classic early stuff is too slow for me now

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  posted on 12/2/2009 at 01:22 AM
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hugh, would you consider changing that 'strobing' chick picture ? it's really aggravating in a epileptic-seizure inducing way, no offense? it holds up the thread, memory-intensive all that **** with dialup.
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I haven't done a full investigation, but this might be the first time in history that Leon Russell has been mistaken for a "chick."



LOL...& i've never had one complaint about the Alba gif...in fact,i've had a bunch of compliments on it & request's for me to keep it.....if someone is on dial-up,even a pic. on a page will slow down the page load..no matter if it's a gif or not..it did when i had dial-up w/my 1st PC.....never had a complaint on the leon one either...

 

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  posted on 12/2/2009 at 02:55 AM
Just like with Randy, I pretty much loved them up until 'The Black Album'. After that I kind of lost touch with them. Still like the old stuff though.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2009 at 05:58 AM
I own Master of Puppets which IMO is their last great record.

The Black album was also pretty good but suffers from what I call "Led Zep 4 Syndrome", ie too many songs on it that were way overplayed to the point of saturation on rock radio (and MTV) where I can not longer stand to spin it .

In reality, I'm much more into their main influence, Black Sabbath.



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  posted on 12/2/2009 at 09:20 AM
Saw them last year for the second time and the best way I can describe them live is "Intense" it's like an endless line of tanks that just keeps relentlessly coming at you. Still think their video for "One" is one of the great stark videos ever done. Talk about dark .........

 

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  posted on 12/2/2009 at 09:25 AM
I saw them only once in 1991 in Albany NY at the local sports arena. I was living in the college dorms and a friend had an extra ticket. Somehow I was talked into seeing them even though
I was never (and still never) a fan of 80s heavy metal. The concert never really spurned my interest in Metallica but at least it was a somewhat entertaining show. However I do have one Metallica album in my 160G Ipod (w. over 17,000 songs ) That is the S&M album which is a pretty interesting release.

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  posted on 12/2/2009 at 09:53 AM
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I think they were great . They changed music and opened a lot of doors for heavy bands. In 1990 they got sucked into the M.T.V. way of making music and it all went down hill. Master of Puppets is and always will be a classic


agreed, when they started, they were like no other...now they sound just like the rest


Actually there were many others like them when they started and had been for a long time. They changed music? Not sure what is meant there. Let's face it, they hardly came up with the concept of cranking the amp, add distortion and play fast. While yelling the vocal parts.

Metallica have always been very open about their influences and what inspired them and who they "borrowed" from.

It doesn't make them good or bad, just like everyone else in that they got their sound from somewhere. A quick study of the British and European metal bands will show you where there sound was derived from. Motorhead for instance. I had a great discussion once with Lars about it. He readily admitted they owed a lot to those bands. He also accepted that I much perefer many of those bands over Metallica.

What Metallica perfected (along with maiden and a few others) was the merchandise angle to the business. This is where bands can really make money and all bands owed a debt of gratitude to Metallica for perfecting it.

I prefer their earlier albums also but live they had terrible sound. After the Black album, the sound live became an issue with them and improved greatly.

Metallica's greatest accomplishment was getting as big as they became without radio or video.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2009 at 10:00 AM
Used to love them, their early stuff was great, as has been said already. The 90s stuff was ok, but just wasn't Metallica. And St. Anger sucked (read an interview recently-can't remember who with-but they said "If you want to make a rehab record, make it, then throw it away." I know a lot of bands that need to take that to heart!)

Their latest album is better than anything they've put out since the Black Album, not great but better.

The live shows are still good, unfortunately they aren't playing anywhere near as long as they used to. Back in the day they played between 3 to 3 1/2 hours every night. Now the shows are 2 hours, 2 hours 15 minutes tops.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2009 at 10:01 AM
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This reminds me of the first time I saw Metallica in the 80s, as part of a triple bill with Armored Saint and W.A.S.P.

These four scruffy looking skinny guys that looked like the roadies or dudes off the street walked out pretty willy-nilly and started fiddling around with the instruments for a few minutes, then started playing. They were about a minute into the first tune when we realized they were the band.

 

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I think they were great . They changed music and opened a lot of doors for heavy bands. In 1990 they got sucked into the M.T.V. way of making music and it all went down hill. Master of Puppets is and always will be a classic


agreed, when they started, they were like no other...now they sound just like the rest


Actually there were many others like them when they started and had been for a long time. They changed music? Not sure what is meant there. Let's face it, they hardly came up with the concept of cranking the amp, add distortion and play fast. While yelling the vocal parts.

Metallica have always been very open about their influences and what inspired them and who they "borrowed" from.

It doesn't make them good or bad, just like everyone else in that they got their sound from somewhere. A quick study of the British and European metal bands will show you where there sound was derived from. Motorhead for instance. I had a great discussion once with Lars about it. He readily admitted they owed a lot to those bands. He also accepted that I much perefer many of those bands over Metallica.

What Metallica perfected (along with maiden and a few others) was the merchandise angle to the business. This is where bands can really make money and all bands owed a debt of gratitude to Metallica for perfecting it.

I prefer their earlier albums also but live they had terrible sound. After the Black album, the sound live became an issue with them and improved greatly.

Metallica's greatest accomplishment was getting as big as they became without radio or video.
The changing music thing is, they took what Motorhead , Maiden , Saxon did and did it faster . They also go much bigger in terms of albums sales and ticket sales. I thought that first album sucked, but they grew and grew . You don't think Radio or M.T.V. helped ? Once the "One "video came out , they made more videos than a lot of the bands around . How many videos did the Black album have ? I think 5 just from that one album . Before the" One" vid they were an opening act in the U.S. And Justice For All got them to headline arenas and the Black album blew them up

 

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  posted on 12/2/2009 at 10:30 AM
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The changing music thing is, they took what Motorhead , Maiden , Saxon did and did it faster . They also go much bigger in terms of albums sales and ticket sales. I thought that first album sucked, but they grew and grew . You don't think Radio or M.T.V. helped ? Once the "One "video came out , they made more videos than a lot of the bands around . How many videos did the Black album have ? I think 5 just from that one album . Before the" One" vid they were an opening act in the U.S. And Justice For All got them to headline arenas and the Black album blew them up



Well do you honestly believe no band played fast till Metallica? That was the punk influence for them. But others metal acts had already done that. Song for song, Motorhead is faster because every Motorhead song is the same song.

As for ticket sales over their career, Metallica does not come close to Maiden nor does any other band. But Maiden has played far more shows and tour constantly. a look at Maiden's touring history is rather incredible.

You misunderstood me or perhaps I wasn't clear. Metallica reached a much higher level of success as the career went on using both radio and video which is a given for any band. What I meant is that they reached a very high level before that and not using video or radio. They were definitely headlining up here before the One video.

But you are correct that it later helped greatly especially by the Black album. The reason they made many after that was the company sank some money into videos for them as they were becoming a cash cow for them.

It created a peak and also hurt them. Look at how many here dismiss them after during and after the Black album. Huge success is hard to match and both the artist and company want that to happen. The pressure is immense and they couldn't deal with it is the honest truth. They became victims of "Aerosmith" syndrome. Creating music that the old fans hate and new fans love.

The recent tour focuses on old material and luckily they have long past their peak and can go back to playing what they want.

The tough part for bands like this is whether or not they want to just thrash away for a lifetime. At one point, Hetfield claimed his favorite band at the moment was Govt Mule. They sure don't sound like Metallica.

They tried something different because they were changing also. tough spot to be in. Play acoustic on one song and the world craps on you. No freedom in the heavy world I guess.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2009 at 10:43 AM

Motorhead is faster because every Motorhead song is the same song.

As for ticket sales over their career, Metallica does not come close to Maiden nor does any other band. But Maiden has played far more shows and tour constantly. a look at Maiden's touring history is rather incredible.
They were definitely headlining up here before the One video.



The recent tour focuses on old material and luckily they have long past their peak and can go back to playing what they want.


They tried something different because they were changing also. tough spot to be in. Play acoustic on one song and the world craps on you. No freedom in the heavy world I guess.
Very true about Motorhead but i love them anyway. With the Ticket sales Maiden sell's a boat load of tickets but around the Blaze era they did not sell out a 3 thousand seat ballroom . Yes that era sucked.imo but Metallica sells out 2 or 3 nights in a row in arenas , they have since 1989 . Don't get me wrong, i have loved Maiden since 1981 , met those guys a few times ,have seen them over 30 times and think they are a much better band than Metallica . I am glad to hear up by you they were headling before And Justice, they just did 4 thousand seat places here . I for one am glad they do the "old" stuff agian . I saw a few shows back in the 90's that were pure crap

 

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  posted on 12/2/2009 at 10:57 AM
Metallica's career ticket sales are far below Maiden. You are correct that they didn't sell as well in the US during the Blaze era. But remember that the world is a big place. They were also playing very large shows during that era elsewhere. Most importantly they held onto headline status worldwide and bounced back with Bruce.

It is no insult to Metallica nor a fair comparison really. Maiden consistantly tours with or without releases and these crazy bastards will tour for two years straight at times. And have done so throughout their career. Hitting all parts of the globe. I don't have the figures in front of me but the concert sales for their career was mindblowing when I saw them. Also Maiden are some of the nicest guys that you can meet. Very fan friendly and always willing to chat over a pint or two or ten.

 

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