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  posted on 11/16/2009 at 04:05 PM
A Sensible Gun Registration Plan That Will Work

Vermont

State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to
the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very carefully,
and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs
in New England and elsewhere.



Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require
them to pay a $500 fee to the state.

Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit
for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500
for the privilege of not owning a gun.

Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment
as not only affirming the right of the individual citizen to bear arms,
but as a clear mandate to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership
was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a
"monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals Vermont 's
constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for
the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are
"conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such
equivalent."

Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation
to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation
that may arise."

Under the bill, adults who choose NOT to own a firearm would be required
to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license
number with the state.

"There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not
prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack says
Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the
least restrictive laws of any state .. it's currently the only state
that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This
combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in
a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation !!!

America is at that awkward stage: It's too late to work within the system,
but too early to shoot the bastards."

This makes sense ! There is no reason why gun owners should have to
pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns!

Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2009 at 04:08 PM
We have enough gun laws on the books. Maybe this guy should spend his time with something a tad more productive for his state.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2009 at 04:15 PM
Not everyone who doesn't own a gun is anti-gun. I don't own one because I don't like them. But, I have no issue with those that own one or several.

 

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Ya both missed the point! you want a mulligan?

 

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  posted on 11/16/2009 at 04:37 PM
No, I get the point. Own a gun or pay a fine. I don't want one.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2009 at 04:40 PM
Cross Vermont off the list of states I would want to live in. I have never heard of anything so idiotic. I really have no problem with responsible people owning registered handguns for their personal security as long as they are held completely responsible for anything that ever happens with that handgun. In other words, if you let your gun fall into the hands of someone else you should still be responsible for what happens with it.

The gun owners are the ones who should have to pay for that privilege though, not the non gun owners. Sounds like backward @ss legislation to me, something you would find in the days of the wild west.

 

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This makes sense ! There is no reason why gun owners should have to
pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns!

Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.
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This statement is about as ridiculous as they come. Just make it a mandate that everyone walk around armed with a gun. I guess that includes children and mentally ill people as well as those who have quick tempers and people under the influence of alcohol.

Sounds like a recipe for thinning out the population. If that law ever passes you will certainly see a dramatic rise in homicide in Vermont

 

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  posted on 11/16/2009 at 05:00 PM
I got the point too. :-) This all sounds like one of those goofy emails you get from time to time...

 

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  posted on 11/16/2009 at 09:28 PM
who knows it might be a goofy e-mail but i am still surprised at the lack of understanding the point of the message, also a bit alarmed how some equate homicides with the num. ber of people owning guns that is scary, if you read Vermont already has the least strict gunlaws in the nation and you are NOT required to have a permit to carry a concealed weapon... yet there is no rise in homicide there. there are some paranoid people out there ..

 

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  posted on 11/16/2009 at 09:32 PM
Good points Mike.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2009 at 09:42 PM
This entire thing sounds phony. Do a search on Fred Maslack and all you find are blogs with almost the exact same wording. No serious news sites have it. And I tried to find Maslack's name in the list of state legislators in vermont and could not find him.

http://www.leg.state.vt.us/lms/legdir/districts.asp

 

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  posted on 11/17/2009 at 08:42 AM
I have no idea if this is true or false i threw it out here to see the reaction of the left why? well i thought more would see the point but when i read this it seemed aimed at non gun ownwers just to bring to their attention how it feels to have to be registered for owning a gun.. in other words the shoe on the other foot and by the reaction i see here the left does not like it any more than the right..

 

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  posted on 11/17/2009 at 08:47 AM
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Even if someone steals it from you?


Intersting point. I am a gun owner and if someone steals my gun from me in my home, it means I am a dumb **** . Although, good point about the car being stolen. That might be a problem. I keep my guns locked in a safe that no one is getting into except for me, and my wife. They ain't stealing my safe either, unless they have a pro football team to carry it out.

Just making the point that people are too lax with their weapons. Guns should be locked in a safe and unloaded. Otherwise, you hear stories about a 3 year old "accidentally" shooting themselves because they found daddys' gun in the drawer. I don't call that an accident, I call it stupid.

At the end of the day, this article sounds like fining people if they don't have healthcare.

 

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I did find this the gun laws of vermont and they are very leniant..

tate Requirements Vermont
Rifles and Shotguns
•Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No.

•Registration of rifles and shotguns? No.

•Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No.

•Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No.

Handguns

•Permit to purchase handgun? No.

•Registration of handguns? No.

•Licensing of owners of handguns? No.

•Permit to carry handguns? No.

Other Requirements

•Is there a State waiting period? No.

•Is there a FBI *NICS check for firearm transactions? No. State system.

•Permit to carry a concealed weapon required? No.

•Record of sale: Yes.
*NICS - National Instant Check System

Caution: This summary is meant for general purposes only. Firearm laws frequently change.

Source: Department of the Treasury Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms - State Laws And Published Ordinances - Firearms (23rd Edition – 2001)

 

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Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms


My father always jokes this is his favorite governement agency. I think he just likes all 3 things!!

 

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  posted on 11/17/2009 at 09:02 AM
Left, Right, whatever. I don't like guns and I don't want one. If you want an arsenal in your basement, go right ahead. Keep a Sherman tank in your garage for all I care.

 

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There was an all in the family episode where Archie's suggestion to stop airplane hijackings was to arm every passenger......He won time on the local TV to say whatever he wanted and that was his community message. His dead pan stair and know it all look on his face was one of the most classic moments on that show

 

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Left, Right, whatever. I don't like guns and I don't want one. If you want an arsenal in your basement, go right ahead. Keep a Sherman tank in your garage for all I care.


1) It's now called the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE)

2) I've several firearms, non are needed to be registered or licensed, including my cannon.

3) I actually think the "non-firearm license" to be a pretty decent idea. The taxes paid on firearms, ammunition, and licenses pay the bills for most wildlife conservation programs, many of which are for non-game animals. That "license" would help keep those programs afloat.

4) Why would anyone think that having non gun owners registered would cause homicide rates to go up? After all, it's just a list of those who don't own firearms.

 

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Left, Right, whatever. I don't like guns and I don't want one. If you want an arsenal in your basement, go right ahead. Keep a Sherman tank in your garage for all I care.


1) It's now called the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE)

2) I've several firearms, non are needed to be registered or licensed, including my cannon.

3) I actually think the "non-firearm license" to be a pretty decent idea. The taxes paid on firearms, ammunition, and licenses pay the bills for most wildlife conservation programs, many of which are for non-game animals. That "license" would help keep those programs afloat.

4) Why would anyone think that having non gun owners registered would cause homicide rates to go up? After all, it's just a list of those who don't own firearms.


Don't know why you are pointing those questions at me. Like I said, I don't care.

 

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Left, Right, whatever. I don't like guns and I don't want one. If you want an arsenal in your basement, go right ahead. Keep a Sherman tank in your garage for all I care.


1) It's now called the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE)

2) I've several firearms, non are needed to be registered or licensed, including my cannon.

3) I actually think the "non-firearm license" to be a pretty decent idea. The taxes paid on firearms, ammunition, and licenses pay the bills for most wildlife conservation programs, many of which are for non-game animals. That "license" would help keep those programs afloat.

4) Why would anyone think that having non gun owners registered would cause homicide rates to go up? After all, it's just a list of those who don't own firearms.


Don't know why you are pointing those questions at me. Like I said, I don't care.


I answered a phone call and forgot to add #5, which agrees with you, but the others aren't directed at you, just answering to several previous posts. Sorry for the confusion.

5) I also don't care if you want to own firearms, or not. That's the great thing about the US, we get to do things we like to do and aren't forced to do things we morally or religiously don't support. I'm not for forcing anyone to own a gun just as much as I'm not for forcing anyone to give up theirs.

 

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Left, Right, whatever. I don't like guns and I don't want one. If you want an arsenal in your basement, go right ahead. Keep a Sherman tank in your garage for all I care.


1) It's now called the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE)

2) I've several firearms, non are needed to be registered or licensed, including my cannon.

3) I actually think the "non-firearm license" to be a pretty decent idea. The taxes paid on firearms, ammunition, and licenses pay the bills for most wildlife conservation programs, many of which are for non-game animals. That "license" would help keep those programs afloat.

4) Why would anyone think that having non gun owners registered would cause homicide rates to go up? After all, it's just a list of those who don't own firearms.


Don't know why you are pointing those questions at me. Like I said, I don't care.


I answered a phone call and forgot to add #5, which agrees with you, but the others aren't directed at you, just answering to several previous posts. Sorry for the confusion.

5) I also don't care if you want to own firearms, or not. That's the great thing about the US, we get to do things we like to do and aren't forced to do things we morally or religiously don't support. I'm not for forcing anyone to own a gun just as much as I'm not for forcing anyone to give up theirs.


Ah. Gotcha. What'd ya go and answer the phone for?

 

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I answered a phone call and forgot to add #5, which agrees with you, but the others aren't directed at you, just answering to several previous posts. Sorry for the confusion.
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Ah. Gotcha. What'd ya go and answer the phone for?


A computer question.

 

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Cross Vermont off the list of states I would want to live in. I have never heard of anything so idiotic. I really have no problem with responsible people owning registered handguns for their personal security as long as they are held completely responsible for anything that ever happens with that handgun. In other words, if you let your gun fall into the hands of someone else you should still be responsible for what happens with it.

The gun owners are the ones who should have to pay for that privilege though, not the non gun owners. Sounds like backward @ss legislation to me, something you would find in the days of the wild west.

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I really have no problem with responsible people owning registered handguns for their personal security as long as they are held completely responsible for anything that ever happens with that handgun. In other words, if you let your gun fall into the hands of someone else you should still be responsible for what happens with it.

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Even if someone steals it from you? If that is the case would that also apply to you if someone stole your car and killed someone with it ?


Cars and Guns = Apples and Oranges

Cars aren't intentionally used to hurt or kill someone in self defense. If you want to own a deadly weapon you should be responsible for it at all times and not let it fall into anyone else's hands. That is my opinion.

 

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If you want to own a deadly weapon you should be responsible for it at all times and not let it fall into anyone else's hands. That is my opinion.


I agree.

 

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  posted on 11/17/2009 at 02:18 PM
Oh yeah, and I have a question...what the hell does FINNALY mean? Surprised no one caught that yet.
 
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