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  posted on 2/20/2018 at 06:20 PM
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Thanks Colin
I have the Capt. Skipper 01/28/71 Fillmore West, San Francisco, but not the 01/29/71 @ Winterland, San Francisco (1 disc) {as per Wolfgang’s Vault}
I had never considered the Wolfgang’s Vault "tape" because I thought the prevailing wisdom seemed to be that it was the same as the one Capt. Skipper worked on. Now that appears not to be so.
I'd rather avoid joining AMP'd just for that one download.
If there is anyone can share that with me, BnP, trade, I'd appreciate it.


The link I was referred to on sugarmegs is mislabelled, still looking to acquire 1/29/71 if anyone can help.
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  posted on 2/21/2018 at 05:36 PM
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  posted on 6/4/2018 at 06:13 PM
Here's a Duane-era show that's not on the master list....
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http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/asxcards/AllmanBrothersBand1970-01-24Whi skeyAGoGoLosAngelesCA.html

 

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  posted on 6/4/2018 at 08:26 PM
WOW!!! thanks for the heads up.... doesn't look familiar to me...

 

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  posted on 6/4/2018 at 10:03 PM
Just listened to the entire show - I think it's new.

 

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  posted on 6/5/2018 at 04:20 AM
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Here's a Duane-era show that's not on the master list....
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http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/asxcards/AllmanBrothersBand1970-01-24Whi skeyAGoGoLosAngelesCA.html


I believe that it is mislabelled and is actually 07/09/70 SUNY Stony Brook, NY

 

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  posted on 8/1/2018 at 12:59 AM
thinkin this should be updated to now include the 2/13/70 show that was just released..can never get enough duane, no matter what it is
 

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 07:22 AM
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thinkin this should be updated to now include the 2/13/70 show that was just released..can never get enough duane, no matter what it is


02/11/70 @ Fillmore East, NYC (1 disc)
02/14/70 @ Fillmore East, NYC (1 disc)


The above two shows already fell into a grey area with regards to tradability due to the 1997 commercial release by Grateful Dead Records – “Fillmore East Feb ‘70” – that was a compilation containing tracks from these two shows along with snippets from the partially recorded 2/13 show. In 2018 the Owsley Stanley Foundation & ABB Recording Company re-released the compilation CD and also made available the original recordings of 2/11, 2/13 and 2/14, hence these shows are definitely no longer considered to be tradable.

“Fillmore East February 1970” track list details are as follows:

1. In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed (2/14)
2. Hoochie Coochie Man (2/14)
3. Statesboro Blues (2/11)
4. Trouble No More (2/11)
5. Outskirts Of Town (2/13 beginning & 2/14 ending) *
6. Whipping Post (2/14)
7. Mountain Jam (2/14 beginning & 2/13 drum solo to end) *

* complete recordings from individual shows were not available due to tape flips, hence full tracks were created by splicing partial recordings from different nights.

Note that the Feb 70 compilation also crops up in trading circles listed as being the 02/13/70 show, this is bogus as only three tracks were recorded on 2/13.

 

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THE JANUARY 1971 FILLMORE WEST SHOWS DEBATE

Following further investigation last year, it has been concluded that there is no genuine recording of the full show at Winterland on 1/29/71 and that 1/28, 1/30 and 1/31 are the only authentic recordings from this run.


The master list on page one has thus been amended as follows:


01/29/71 @ Winterland, San Francisco (1 track only – Whipping Post)

Regarding the venue for this show, according to Kim Payne (ABB Roadie) the show on the 29th was actually played at Winterland, and not the Fillmore West. In further discussions about this, Joseph Campbell (ABB Roadie – “Red Dog”) also recalled having to move Greggs Hammond B3 Organ across the city for one show at Winterland after a show at the Fillmore West. So it would seem that although the ABB had originally been booked to play the 28th, 29th, 30th & 31st at the Fillmore West, after playing there on the 28th for some reason (possibly technical or booking issues) they had to move over to Winterland for the show on the 29th, and then go back to the Fillmore for the shows on the 30th & 31st.

There are two bogus versions in circulation purporting to be this show. One is just a copy of 1/28 with a bit of manipulation of the crowd noise and stage banter between the tracks to give the impression that the recording is from a different show. The other is a bit more devious in that it has stage banter from other shows inserted between the tracks. This was proven by sonic analysis (thanks to Steve Cogley aka “oldcoot”) which also showed that some of the tracks had been fabricated by splicing together sections from different recordings.

It is therefore thought that no genuine recording exists of the full show at Winterland on 1/29, however there is a recording from a radio show that is in circulation, where the DJ announces “And now, live from Winterland, here’s Whipping Post from the Allman Brothers”. This one track is considered to be the only authentic recording from the show on 01/29/71, and may well be what has been used on the second of the bogus shows referred to above.


 

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 11:01 AM
Thanks for these updates Colin

 

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  posted on 1/12/2019 at 06:17 PM
Yes, thank you again for the update and Thanks to oldcoot. This list and the work put into it is greatly appreciated.

 

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  posted on 3/4/2019 at 12:34 AM
Fairly late to the party but thanks for all your great work on the ABB Duane era shows. I want to clarify and add to the January Fillmore West debate. If I read your latest comment correctly you have determined that the only possible known recording to circulate is a "Whipping Post" identified by a dj from an FM recording as being from Winterland most likely 1/29/71.

First the clarification. The source of the FM that you are referring to was a KSAN-FM San Francisco special known as "The Fillmore Weekend" with Bill Graham in studio for 60 hours from Friday October 27, 1972 (6:00 pm) - Monday October 30, 1972 (6:00 am) playing live tracks from Fillmore concerts (1965-1971) on apes supplied by Bill Graham. There were 60 - one hour segments, with each segment focusing on a particular weekend during the 6 year history. Hour #50 at 8:00 - 9:00 pm Sunday night October 29 focused on the Hot Tuna, Allman Brothers, Trinidad Tripoli Steel Band from 1/28 - 1/31/71. The dj & Bill Graham are rapping about some concert that the City of San Francisco won't allow in Golden Gate Park and then the dj says "... we'll go into the Allman Brothers. They did January 29, 1971, ah, premiere at Winterland, the Allman Brothers, the Fillmore Special."

Now the add. Following the dj's intro above it goes into "You Don't Love Me" and then goes directly into "Whipping Post." So if Wolfgang's 1/29/71 is actually the same as 1/28/71 then we apparently have 2 songs from 1/29/71. I have not compared the "You Don't Love Me" & "Whipping Post" on Wolfgang's 1/29/71 to see if they are the same as to what was played on this 1972 KSAN Fillmore Special.

Hopefully this helps.

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THE JANUARY 1971 FILLMORE WEST SHOWS DEBATE

Following further investigation last year, it has been concluded that there is no genuine recording of the full show at Winterland on 1/29/71 and that 1/28, 1/30 and 1/31 are the only authentic recordings from this run.


The master list on page one has thus been amended as follows:


01/29/71 @ Winterland, San Francisco (1 track only – Whipping Post)

Regarding the venue for this show, according to Kim Payne (ABB Roadie) the show on the 29th was actually played at Winterland, and not the Fillmore West. In further discussions about this, Joseph Campbell (ABB Roadie – “Red Dog”) also recalled having to move Greggs Hammond B3 Organ across the city for one show at Winterland after a show at the Fillmore West. So it would seem that although the ABB had originally been booked to play the 28th, 29th, 30th & 31st at the Fillmore West, after playing there on the 28th for some reason (possibly technical or booking issues) they had to move over to Winterland for the show on the 29th, and then go back to the Fillmore for the shows on the 30th & 31st.

There are two bogus versions in circulation purporting to be this show. One is just a copy of 1/28 with a bit of manipulation of the crowd noise and stage banter between the tracks to give the impression that the recording is from a different show. The other is a bit more devious in that it has stage banter from other shows inserted between the tracks. This was proven by sonic analysis (thanks to Steve Cogley aka “oldcoot”) which also showed that some of the tracks had been fabricated by splicing together sections from different recordings.

It is therefore thought that no genuine recording exists of the full show at Winterland on 1/29, however there is a recording from a radio show that is in circulation, where the DJ announces “And now, live from Winterland, here’s Whipping Post from the Allman Brothers”. This one track is considered to be the only authentic recording from the show on 01/29/71, and may well be what has been used on the second of the bogus shows referred to above.




[Edited on 3/4/2019 by gv0000]

 

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I think I can help with the January 1970 UC Riverside date. I contacted Joel Selvin and indeed this was his show. He caught them at the Whisky opening for Ten Wheel Drive and was so impressed he convinced them to play at UC Riverside as they headed east on Monday afternoon January 26. He said Gregg didn't sing so they played and jammed for nearly 3 hours and ended with Berry singing on "Oh Pretty Woman."

Hope this helps.

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"The ABB database has them listed as playing the Whiskey A-Go-Go in Los Angeles from Thursday 22nd to Sunday 25th inclusive..."

OK, if I had to bet the farm on a date, I would go with the 26th...

I'm probably the source for the 20th date, based on who-knows-what 35 years ago...
This was way before I had access to the Whisky dates, the internet, etc. etc...
It was a guess, and in retrospect, a pretty good one...
I used to trade tapes heavily back in the day (including this one), and that's how the date got written into the record....

OK, here's what I do know...

Duane told me that they had just come from the Whiskey the previous evening, and I got the impression they were just killing time on a beautiful January day in the California desert on their way to the next gig...

They had a Winnebago, and an equipment truck...

If I had to guess, I'd say this gig took place on a weekday. I remember cutting classes, and Craig (the taper) was on his way to class w/tape recorder in hand, by chance...

By the way, I think the journalist Joel Selvin had something to do with lining all this up...
I know he was there, and I think he might of suggested to the band that they come out and play...
I think Joel was attending UCR, or had some connection to the school...
The above is conjecture, BTW, but I think it will hold up.
I tried to contact Joel about this back in '95 or so, and didn't hear back. If anyone knows him, drop him a line....
I'd love to know the whole story too....

BTW, I have a call in to Craig Mack, who originally taped the 35 minutes or so that exists of this day...

What circulates is probably my tape transfer (especially if your copy has the Whiskey "Dreams" tacked onto it), and so it is at least 2 generations removed from the master, and probably not all that carefully transferred...
So-ooo, we'll see what I can come up with...

For you folks who haven't had a listen to the tape, Duane's solo on "Oh Pretty Woman" is worth the price of admission...
It smokes, and really stands the test of time, and just hints at what the band sounded like that day...

OK, enough memory farts for now...
I'll let you know if I can get closer to the master....





 

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  posted on 3/4/2019 at 03:10 PM
Thanks for the informed update

 

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Fairly late to the party but thanks for all your great work on the ABB Duane era shows. I want to clarify and add to the January Fillmore West debate. If I read your latest comment correctly you have determined that the only possible known recording to circulate is a "Whipping Post" identified by a dj from an FM recording as being from Winterland most likely 1/29/71.

First the clarification. The source of the FM that you are referring to was a KSAN-FM San Francisco special known as "The Fillmore Weekend" with Bill Graham in studio for 60 hours from Friday October 27, 1972 (6:00 pm) - Monday October 30, 1972 (6:00 am) playing live tracks from Fillmore concerts (1965-1971) on apes supplied by Bill Graham. There were 60 - one hour segments, with each segment focusing on a particular weekend during the 6 year history. Hour #50 at 8:00 - 9:00 pm Sunday night October 29 focused on the Hot Tuna, Allman Brothers, Trinidad Tripoli Steel Band from 1/28 - 1/31/71. The dj & Bill Graham are rapping about some concert that the City of San Francisco won't allow in Golden Gate Park and then the dj says "... we'll go into the Allman Brothers. They did January 29, 1971, ah, premiere at Winterland, the Allman Brothers, the Fillmore Special."

Now the add. Following the dj's intro above it goes into "You Don't Love Me" and then goes directly into "Whipping Post." So if Wolfgang's 1/29/71 is actually the same as 1/28/71 then we apparently have 2 songs from 1/29/71. I have not compared the "You Don't Love Me" & "Whipping Post" on Wolfgang's 1/29/71 to see if they are the same as to what was played on this 1972 KSAN Fillmore Special.

Hopefully this helps.


Thanks very much for your input on this and the Riverside show also … it is great to have some more first hand information … I will gratefully incorporate your info into the list, although I am about to go on vacation so it will be a couple of weeks.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2019 at 12:00 PM
??/??/70 @ Tampa National Guard Armory {aka "TAMPA ’70"} (1 disc)

I know this has been labeled "Tampa 1970" but is there a chance that this was the July 15, 1971 show at the Fort Homer Hesterly Armory in Tampa? There is a review of the show but it doesn't say that Gregg was there or not there. The reviewer only mentions Duane by name and how great the band was received by the crowd. Just a thought as I could not find a 1970 ABB show in Tampa at the "Armory."

 

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  posted on 4/7/2019 at 02:56 PM
I 've seen it listed and discussed as both of those dates but don't know which is correct. I'm puzzled as to why Berry isn't singing. The song Hey Joe makes me think it's earlier, like 1970, but who knows for sure.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2019 at 03:42 PM
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I 've seen it listed and discussed as both of those dates but don't know which is correct. I'm puzzled as to why Berry isn't singing. The song Hey Joe makes me think it's earlier, like 1970, but who knows for sure.


No, I am referring to this one:

This is a partial recording of the first set of an ABB gig with Gregg conspicuously absent, consequently Duane (and oddly, not Berry) takes over the vocal duties, and Reese Wynans sits in on keyboards.

Set 1:
Statesboro Blues (just the ending going into a Statesboro Jam)
Trouble No More (Duane vocal)
Goin' Down Slow (Duane vocal)
Tuning
In Memory of Elizabeth Reed

At the end of this recording, Duane says "we'll be right back in 5 minutes". One can only hope that another tape reel with Set 2 shows up somewhere down the line.

Recorded by Dave Boswell ~ Tape Transfer by Matt Smith

Lineage: MR > ? >> BASF reel @ 3-3/4 IPS > Akai GX-636 > Apogee Mini Me (24/96) > Apogee Mini > Dac (monitoring/mastering) > Wavelab 5.0 (Dithered to 16/44) > CD > Capt. Skipper for further mastering.

Bruce (tonewoods), who provided this recording to the ABB trading community stated the following:

I'm calling this recording "Tampa '70" for no other reason than that is what was written on the tape box, but the truth is we don't have confirmation as to the date and venue.

Skip (CaptSkipper) Littlewood subsequently added:

Pretty sure we got us a venue for the show. My buddy, Jack Weston, got through to Reese Wynans today and chatted. Reese said he remembers the show and that Duane called him to play. His recollection, that he said he is 98% sure of, is that the gig was at the Tampa National Guard Armory. Unfortunately, he could not pin down a date.

 

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  posted on 4/8/2019 at 11:17 AM
Listened to this just recently, & is the show mentioned above -- this is also the show my sig line refers to re Duane talking about Gregg's absence
Reese Really goes off on Liz Reed -- Duane just kinda eases into his solo foregoing the regular bridge part -- this show was labeled Tampa '70 when first unearthed, watta find -- could be anywhere
really enjoying Reese's new one btw

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  posted on 4/8/2019 at 05:23 PM
gv0000 - i was referring this show as well - just wrote Hey Joe, but I meant Goin' Down Slow.

 

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??/??/70 @ Tampa National Guard Armory {aka "TAMPA ’70"} (1 disc)

Thanks PeachNutt. Yes you're right "Goin' Down Slow" is an odd song for a 1971 set but I rationalized it as being included because of Gregg's absence. Duane says following that song that "... we know yo want to hear our songs and we would like to play them for you but without Gregg it's hard we know you'll understand. Because he sings and plays so much...." I took this as they were not going to play a standard 1971 set. In my opinion you can tell they were improvising as on "Goin' Down Slow" it was not planned to be in the set as you can hear Duane is telling them what what they are going to play and what key to start it off in and that he will sing it.

If we have concluded that Reese Wynans recalls that the show Gregg missed and he played keyboards at was the Armory in Tampa, that would be the Fort Homer Hesterly Armory and the only date I can find that they played there was July 15, 1971.

Thanks to all for all the hard work that has gone into the Duane era recordings.

[Edited on 4/9/2019 by gv0000]

 

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  posted on 7/5/2019 at 02:22 PM
I wish the rest of this show would appear - the other reel of 5/23/70 too....

 

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