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  posted on 2/9/2019 at 08:14 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/us/politics/fact-check-state-of-the-unio n.html
 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/us/politics/fact-check-state-of-th e-union.html

“We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs — something which almost everyone said was impossible to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started.”

This is false.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that since January 2017, when Mr. Trump took office, the economy has added 4.9 million jobs, including 454,000 jobs manufacturing jobs. Far from being “impossible,” that is closely comparable to the pace of job creation during some two-year periods during the Obama administration, and significantly slower than the pace of job creation in manufacturing in the 1990s.





If we include 13,000 for January 2019, 284,000 for 2018 and the revised up 207,000 for all of 2017, I get 504,000.

https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01042019.htm
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01052018.htm

I don't know where Trump got 600,000. I do trust the BLS data and from what I read on their releases linked above, seems NYT is understating a little, we could be looking at different revisions of the same period, but that is not the point.

The reason I am posting, NYT should be comparing the last two years of Obama to first two years of Trump because that was the economy he inherited.

We know that Trump inherited an expanding economy. And we know that job gains overall when Obama left office were in the same ballpark as the Trump annual job gains, overall.

HOWEVER. not in manufacturing. This from BLS:


https://www.bls.gov/ces/highlights012018.pdf


https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf

Those screenshots will expire in 14 days, but the links will take you to the charts. The number of jobs on the bars don't match in the two charts because BLS revises the monthly data a few times after it is released, but the trajectory of the numbers is what matters here.

What caused manufacturing jobs to LOSE 7,000 net in 2016 and only gain 69,000 jobs in 2015, for a net two-year gain of just 62,000?

Trump may've inherited a growing economy in 2017, but not so in the manufacturing sector and we can see the jobs gained 2017-18 of 504,000 my BLS numbers or 454,000 NYT BLS numbers over the last 2 years, that is like an 8x improvement.

However you look at those 4 years, 15-16 under Obama and 17-18 under Trump that is a very dramatic improvement!

Charts, whatever; statistics, make them say anything...sure.

I can't say for sure what is responsible for this dramatic increase. I don't expect anyone who never gives Trump any credit for anything to give him credit for this either. But everyone can see the numbers. They are what they are...something has to be responsible for it.


[Edited on 2/10/2019 by nebish]

 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/us/politics/fact-check-state -of-the-union.html

“We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs — something which almost everyone said was impossible to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started.”

This is false.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that since January 2017, when Mr. Trump took office, the economy has added 4.9 million jobs, including 454,000 jobs manufacturing jobs. Far from being “impossible,” that is closely comparable to the pace of job creation during some two-year periods during the Obama administration, and significantly slower than the pace of job creation in manufacturing in the 1990s.





If we include 13,000 for January 2019, 284,000 for 2018 and the revised up 207,000 for all of 2017, I get 504,000.

https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01042019.htm
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01052018.htm

I don't know where Trump got 600,000. I do trust the BLS data and from what I read on their releases linked above, seems NYT is understating a little, we could be looking at different revisions of the same period, but that is not the point.

The reason I am posting, NYT should be comparing the last two years of Obama to first two years of Trump because that was the economy he inherited.

We know that Trump inherited an expanding economy. And we know that job gains overall when Obama left office were in the same ballpark as the Trump annual job gains, overall.

HOWEVER. not in manufacturing. This from BLS:


https://www.bls.gov/ces/highlights012018.pdf


https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf

Those screenshots will expire in 14 days, but the links will take you to the charts. The number of jobs on the bars don't match in the two charts because BLS revises the monthly data a few times after it is released, but the trajectory of the numbers is what matters here.

What caused manufacturing jobs to LOSE 7,000 net in 2016 and only gain 69,000 jobs in 2015, for a net two-year gain of just 62,000?

Trump may've inherited a growing economy in 2017, but not so in the manufacturing sector and we can see the jobs gained 2017-18 of 504,000 my BLS numbers or 454,000 NYT BLS numbers over the last 2 years, that is like an 8x improvement.

However you look at those 4 years, 15-16 under Obama and 17-18 under Trump that is a very dramatic improvement!

Charts, whatever; statistics, make them say anything...sure.

I can't say for sure what is responsible for this dramatic increase. I don't expect anyone who never gives Trump any credit for anything to give him credit for this either. But everyone can see the numbers. They are what they are...something has to be responsible for it.


[Edited on 2/10/2019 by nebish]
trump hasn't done anything to cause the increase, I'd say it happened in spite of trump, and it's just an effect of Obama's policys.

 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/us/politics/fact-check -state-of-the-union.html

“We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs — something which almost everyone said was impossible to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started.”

This is false.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that since January 2017, when Mr. Trump took office, the economy has added 4.9 million jobs, including 454,000 jobs manufacturing jobs. Far from being “impossible,” that is closely comparable to the pace of job creation during some two-year periods during the Obama administration, and significantly slower than the pace of job creation in manufacturing in the 1990s.





If we include 13,000 for January 2019, 284,000 for 2018 and the revised up 207,000 for all of 2017, I get 504,000.

https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01042019.htm
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01052018.htm

I don't know where Trump got 600,000. I do trust the BLS data and from what I read on their releases linked above, seems NYT is understating a little, we could be looking at different revisions of the same period, but that is not the point.

The reason I am posting, NYT should be comparing the last two years of Obama to first two years of Trump because that was the economy he inherited.

We know that Trump inherited an expanding economy. And we know that job gains overall when Obama left office were in the same ballpark as the Trump annual job gains, overall.

HOWEVER. not in manufacturing. This from BLS:


https://www.bls.gov/ces/highlights012018.pdf


https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf

Those screenshots will expire in 14 days, but the links will take you to the charts. The number of jobs on the bars don't match in the two charts because BLS revises the monthly data a few times after it is released, but the trajectory of the numbers is what matters here.

What caused manufacturing jobs to LOSE 7,000 net in 2016 and only gain 69,000 jobs in 2015, for a net two-year gain of just 62,000?

Trump may've inherited a growing economy in 2017, but not so in the manufacturing sector and we can see the jobs gained 2017-18 of 504,000 my BLS numbers or 454,000 NYT BLS numbers over the last 2 years, that is like an 8x improvement.

However you look at those 4 years, 15-16 under Obama and 17-18 under Trump that is a very dramatic improvement!

Charts, whatever; statistics, make them say anything...sure.

I can't say for sure what is responsible for this dramatic increase. I don't expect anyone who never gives Trump any credit for anything to give him credit for this either. But everyone can see the numbers. They are what they are...something has to be responsible for it.


[Edited on 2/10/2019 by nebish]
trump hasn't done anything to cause the increase, I'd say it happened in spite of trump, and it's just an effect of Obama's policys.


Maybe. It could be like the big expansion in gas and oil and reduced reliance on foreign oil that happened in spite of the Obama Administration policies rather than because of them. Or maybe the Clinton economy was more of a right-place, right-time.

Presidents get credit and blame whether or not they deserve it or not, or they get too much of it.

If the US economy was like a relay race then we can say that President Obama really rebounded well after taking the baton from stumbling and ready to collapse President Bush. And this handoff from Obama to Trump, alot of things could've went badly...they could've dropped the baton, Trump could've tripped or squandered the gains that came before he started running. Instead, halfway through his turn, we are running pretty well and in some ways better. Some on the right will never give Obama credit and say that growth was too slow, just as some of the left will never give Trump's Administration credit for sustaining and even stepping up growth. It's where we are.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2019 at 04:11 PM
The politicians say they are trying to work on a deal regarding the border. The Democrats want half the number of immigrants being placed in detention centers to be placed in the border sanctuary city areas. If they get this compromise they may provide some funding for the wall. SOME. They are also looking at some sort of deal to extend the deadline for the budget so that a new shutdown does not have to occur by the end of the week.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/10/border-wall-negotia tions/2830515002/

Democrats have proposed reducing the current number of beds ICE uses to detain immigrants here illegally from 40,520 to 35,520. But within that limit, they want most of the beds used for people detained at the border and proposed limiting the number of beds for immigrants here illegally who are caught within the U.S. to 16,500.

California and New Mexico's Governors have ordered the National Guard troops sent to their border with Mexico to be called from that job and sent elsewhere. They have that legal authority, probably unless there is a "national emergency declared" then it is the President's call/decision.

"I promise you this. Donald Trump is not going to sign any bill that reduces the number of bed spaces available to hold violent offenders who come across our border. He can't do that. He won't do that," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures."

The Republicans want to cap the number of immigrants allowed thru the border on a daily basis to 40 persons. The Democrats have not agreed to that.

"Democrats say a cap of 16,500 beds in ICE detention centers would force the Trump administration to focus on detaining undocumented immigrants with criminal records instead of using indiscriminate sweeps that drag in otherwise law-abiding residents."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/10/us/politics/trump-border-wall.html




[Edited on 2/11/2019 by gina]

 

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https://www.bendbulletin.com/nation/6837928-151/trump-moves-toward-emergenc y-declaration

Trump, visiting McAllen, Texas, and the Rio Grande to highlight what he says is a crisis of drugs and crime, said that “if for any reason we don’t get this going” — an agreement with House Democrats who have refused to approve the $5.7 billion he demands for the wall — “I will declare a national emergency.”

 

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My opinion about Trump's SOTU address? Just more flat out lying bullsh_t from the most dishonest man walking the planet. He is nothing but a POS con man who does nothing but over exaggerate, fabricate, and flat out lie over and over and over again even repeating lies that have already been disproved. He is a disgusting human being and a national disgrace. Nobody should ever take a single word he says as being true or honest and he cares about nobody but himself. Thank God we are already half way to getting this mentally stunted basta_d out of office and as far away from the White House as possible hopefully wearing a pair of handcuffs on the way out. Maybe he can buy off a teir in whatever jail he ends up in so he can see his children in the surrounding cells. They are all a bunch of self serving grifter criminals and they all belong in jail although I wouldn't mind seeing coward Donald Jr. and his pussy coward brother Eric get mauled by some wild animal that they are cowardly sport hunting. This piece of sh_t family are the worse thing to ever happen to this country and the damage they leave in their wake will take a very long time to fix especially overseas where we have lost all of the respect it took many decades to create. The faster we get rid of this pathological lying, immature, disrespectful, narcissist, misogynist, racist, sociopath the better off the country and world will be.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2019 at 08:05 AM
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Way too long and grim.


Obviously the current presidential term.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2019 at 09:38 AM
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the most dishonest man walking the planet . . . disgusting human being and a national disgrace. . . mentally stunted basta_d . . . . pathological lying, immature, disrespectful, narcissist, misogynist, racist, sociopath . . .


But other than that he's a pretty good guy, right?

 

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But tell us how you really feel sixty8! We'll count you among those in the chamber not standing to clap.
 

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LOL! Sorry if I get carried away folks but being a NYer I had had enough of this phony con man long before he ran for POTUS. His reputation as a dishonest and corrupt grifter with no moral compass has been built up over decades. I still can't believe he got elected even against such a weak and compromised opponent. If the Dems don't nominate the right kind of candidate to beat this jerk wad and get rid of him and he gets re elected I will never forgive them or vote for their party ever again. I am and always have been a registered Independent and have no problem voting for either side depending on candidate but for the love of God we have got to do everything possible to make sure this crazy self serving maniac only serves one term. If he gets two terms the damage he will end up doing might never be fixable.

 

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Sixty8, I agree with your assessment of the clown in the White House, but people like Trump have always existed and will always exist. It’s not the trash in the White House....it’s the people that decided to willfully elect trash.....willfully putting the country at risk....willfully siding with Russian attacks on the United States, willfully accepting the comments in Helsinki, and the list goes on.

All the right-wing members here openly confessed they chose Trump because liberals name-called them. KCJimmy shared that letter about it, detailing that people voted for Trump, not for politics, but because of the condemnation they received from liberals. Can you imagine? Because they were name-called, because Obama had class, honor, integrity, and character, they got insecure, and decided to elect a known Russian asset and threaten our National Security, because they needed spite. Ponder that for a moment.

 

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No need to apologize, Sixty....Many of us, especially those of us from New York who've known of his con man's history and reputation long before he ran for president, share your thoughts and opinions.

For the life of me I can't believe how anyone can't see through this guy for what he really is. The corruption and ineptness of Trump, his family, the pundits, and obviously much of the Republican Congress and his other enablers in government is pretty astounding.


 

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For the life of me I can't believe how anyone can't see through this guy for what he really is. The corruption and ineptness of Trump, his family, the pundits, and obviously much of the Republican Congress and his other enablers in government is pretty astounding.


Chain, I think they do see through it....they just don’t mind the corruption and lies, because he insults minorities and those that want to help them (the “Dems”).



[Edited on 2/12/2019 by BoytonBrother]

 

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For the life of me I can't believe how anyone can't see through this guy for what he really is. The corruption and ineptness of Trump, his family, the pundits, and obviously much of the Republican Congress and his other enablers in government is pretty astounding.


Chain, I think they do see through it....they just don’t mind the corruption and lies, because he insults minorities and those that want to help them (the “Dems”).



[Edited on 2/12/2019 by BoytonBrother]


Maybe a portion see through the con guy and at the same time a portion don't. Ever engage his supporters on any depth or details about issues? If they can't articulate substance, then there's the proof. Look no further than this site.

 

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I recently watched a few docs on mousellini, franco, and hitler. they like trump were dictatiors [trump being a wannabe] they fought against truth, democracy, and a free press. and look at how the wound up.
 

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Trump will sign the deal that Congress came up with, but he is still declaring a National Emergency.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/430070-mcconnell-trump-to-sign-border-d eal-declare-national-emergency


 

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By now you know he did declare a National Emergency. Doing so enables him to tap into money he otherwise would not have access to without Congressional approval.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-raid-on-pentagon-funds-draws -bipartisan-hill-fire/ar-BBTEhDs

In all, the White House is directing $8 billion toward building or repairing up to 234 miles of border barriers. On top of the $1.37 billion for barriers allocated in spending legislation passed Thursday, Trump is aiming to divert $3.6 billion in military construction funds and $2.5 billion from a Pentagon drug interdiction program as well as $600 million from a Treasury Department drug forfeiture fund.

Part of the response from House Speaker Pelosi:

“It is yet another demonstration of President Trump’s naked contempt for the rule of law,”

"https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/nancy-pelosi-gop-democratic-president-23192 4926.html


Remarks: "Naked contempt?" Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. Why does she bring up the word "naked", does she have secret longings for the President? She could have said "bold" or "obvious" but NAKED. Oh whippin' post!

Well he is a great businessman, you have to admit that. He figured out how to get the money he needed in total for the wall. Of course they will not just let him do that without a fight. They deny there is a crisis, the 45,000+ people who have illegally crossed the border and are being held in custody in Democratic minds pose no threat to American security, we can just have people breach our borders any ole time, that's okay with them.

And a suggestion From an Associated Press Reporter - With the conviction of Joaquin El Chapo Guzman, for trafficking etc. across the Mexican border, why not try to use some of that to pay for the wall that the Democrats think we do not need.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/el-chapo-pay-border-wall-dont-count-151700721.ht ml

Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas promises to reintroduce a bill named after El Chapo that would require money seized from Mexican cartels be dedicated to a border security. "There's a natural and elegant symmetry that suggested itself," Cruz said. "Those billions that El Chapo has were made trafficking illegally across the U.S. border, bringing narcotics across the border, and it is only right that those ill-gotten gains go to fixing the problem of stopping the next narco-trafficker.












[Edited on 2/16/2019 by gina]

 

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The oppositional border wall obstructionists are already at it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-introduce-bill-17520079 2.html

“The order is signed,” the president declared on Friday. “We will have a national emergency and we will then be sued, and they will sue us in the 9th Circuit, even though it shouldn’t be there, and we will possibly get a bad ruling and then we’ll get another bad ruling and then we’ll end up in the Supreme Court.”

He knows they will continue, but so will he. And remember he appointed some judges to the Supreme Court.



 

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The oppositional border wall obstructionists are already at it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-introduce-bill-17520079 2.html

“The order is signed,” the president declared on Friday. “We will have a national emergency and we will then be sued, and they will sue us in the 9th Circuit, even though it shouldn’t be there, and we will possibly get a bad ruling and then we’ll get another bad ruling and then we’ll end up in the Supreme Court.”

He knows they will continue, but so will he. And remember he appointed some judges to the Supreme Court.






When Trump stated "I didn't need to do this," that is an admission that this wasn't an emergency.

 

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Congress can still vote to block the Emergency. They have to do it within 15 days.

Democratic House members have already pushed to introduce a resolution to disapprove of the president's action. If the Democratic-held House passes such a measure, the GOP-controlled Senate would have to take it up by law, putting pressure on Republican senators. Trump could also veto it, which would require a two-thirds majority in both chambers to overcome. With McConnell supporting the emergency declaration and Republicans holding 53 of 100 Senate seats, it is unclear whether lawmakers could block it.

Rep. Mark Meadows, a North Carolina Republican and another Trump confidant, argued Congress would lack the votes to override the president's veto. "Given Congress will try to block this executive action, I'm seeing speculation Congress could override a POTUS veto w/ GOP votes. They will not. The votes will not be there," he tweeted.

Trump seemed prepared for a long fight Friday. "I expect to be sued" over the declaration, he said.
He argued that he had the authority to take the step, and thinks he will ultimately prevail in the Supreme Court. "I think we will be very successful in court," he said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/pelosi-and-schumer-criticize-trump-national -emergency-declaration.html


REMARK: He's right the ACLU is suing him.
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/top-stories/trump-expected-to-sign-deal- to-keep-government-open-as-2nd-shutdown-looms/919479288




 

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