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  posted on 8/10/2018 at 04:08 PM
I don't really listen to much ABB anymore. There will be no new music and I kind of try to keep the music 'fresh' by visiting it in limited doses. I popped in their 40th anniversary DVD and just got blown away again. Listening to music (even live) and seeing it performed is just different. This band was just sooo good; just a powerhouse. There's nothing else out there like they were. The noodling of most 'jam' bands get tiresome to me but there were rarely excessive notes with the ABB. Magpie Salute a few weeks back performed an instrumental that approached the 2 guitar feel but looking around at the crowd it seems like guitar driven rock if not on life support, definitely is a niche scene like Jazz.

Taking my 16 YO son to see TTB in Nov. I hope to get a little of that old feeling and that he 'gets it', but I sure miss this band.

 
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  posted on 8/10/2018 at 05:30 PM
If you think the last lineup was hot and unequaled by any other band playing today, I wish you could have heard the original band. The energy level and creativity was a few notches higher than the Derek/Warren lineup. A quick listen to the live tracks on Eat A Peach and all of Fillmore East proves the point. The last lineup or any other line up couldn't cook like the original. The originial line up could swing like a big band when they wanted.

As much as I respect the last lineup, to me the 1990 to 1994 band was the most powerful after the original.

The energy in the original band must have been coming mostly from Duane Allman because after he left they never had that level of energy again.

When Duane died I felt like you do now with the last lineup over.

I was just reading an interview with Blackberry Smoke and they were ask what is the best guitar tandem ever. They said Duane Allman and Dickey Betts. Amen to that.

 

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  posted on 8/10/2018 at 05:55 PM
I am jealous you got to see the original ABB. Like many, I keep wishing for a DVD release of a Filmore show or Atlanta Pop Festival, but with each year doubt it will ever happen. Heck, management didn't even have the foresight to tape the farewell show! How much would it have cost to hire a couple cameramen!?

Funny, Blackberry Smoke opened for Magpie Salute. They put on a fun show.

I've seen the band live since the late 90's and I liked the last group best. Warren is very good, but Derrick is just on another level. We can only guess where Duane would have took the music.


 

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  posted on 8/10/2018 at 08:06 PM
I spun EAP in my car this morning. First time in a long while. Played Les Brers twice!

The road goes on forever!

 

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  posted on 8/11/2018 at 08:21 AM
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I spun EAP in my car this morning. First time in a long while. Played Les Brers twice!


Yeah, BO's bass on that song is just insane.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2018 at 09:39 AM
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I spun EAP in my car this morning. First time in a long while. Played Les Brers twice!


Yeah, BO's bass on that song is just insane.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2018 at 07:27 PM
Butch Trucks mentioned just a few years ago he came up with the name Les Brers. I think he said it's broken French for less brothers. That and Ain't Wasting Time No More and Melissa were the only songs recorded by the so called 5 man band. One less brother.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2018 at 09:22 AM
Les is plural form of "the". The Brothers.

Probably from a Creole French rather than broken French. Same thing perhaps.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2018 at 10:22 PM
I am 4 wheeling the rocky mountains, I put a radio with a USB drive in my Jeep and loaded a thumb drive of all ABB and listened for 10 hours while on the trail. Perfect combo, mountains and ABB! In general I haven't listened all that much either these days, but that sure felt good!
 

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  posted on 8/14/2018 at 12:21 PM
A previous post regarding different people's takes on the band's different eras. Really no great mystery to how this happens:

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I have always wondered what it is like for fans of the band who first experienced them in one of their later lineups. If that is your first exposure to the the band's true musical excellence, if it is what grabs your musical soul, it is going to become the bar against which you judge all the rest. And as slothrop8 indicates, he has listened thoroughly to all the configurations and the entire catalogue. If the rest didn't have the same impact then what other conclusion can he reach from his own extensive listening experience?

We are all fortunate to have available such a legacy of incredible performances by so many gifted musicians and composers. What matters is what hits you deepest in the gut and at what high point you might have been first exposed to the band's greatness. I was on the train from the start, listening in my late teens and early twenties. The era then passed and even for a time I lost interest in the band. Then more great players were added, the band members became more sane, the catalogue broadened, and as far I was concerned there was a renaissance with the band reaching extraordinary musical heights. It was more than I ever could have expected, but if I have to make a call regarding the best unit nothing still moves me like the original 6. I can't help it, they are the bedrock of my musical soul. For me, all the rest is a glorious and well-appreciated footnote.


For reference here is slothrop8's original detailed and very well thought out post:

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I'll take the bait (warning - this is going to be long) and offer my opinion because I'm someone who does like the last lineup the best. I was born in 1976 and only saw the last lineup live - but I've got tons of shows from every period and all the albums, and I'm basing my thoughts on the recordings more so than being there. That being said, the Allman Brothers are my favorite band and one of the things I enjoy as a fan are listening to the different lineups of the band through the years and hearing how different players and different instrumentation puts new spins on familiar material. I love almost every lineup - not crazy about the Lawler/Tolers group in the early 80s - and less enthusiastic about even the '79 group - but I there are lots and lots of things I love about the original group, the 5 man band, Williams/Leavell, Toler/Leavell/with the rotating bass players/ Haynes/Neel/Woody, Quinones/Haynes/Woody, Oteil and Jack, Dickey and Derek, Trucks and Herring, the final lineup, and the fall tour in '09 that was the final lineup plus Bruce Katz. I've even tracked down as much as I can from any mini-run or one-off fill-in configurations - Grissom/Haynes, Pearson/Haynes/Woody, Herring/Haynes, Haynes/Pearson/Oteil, Trucks/Herring/Louis, Trucks/Pearson/Holloway, etc. etc.

I've sought it all all out spent a lot of time with all the combinations, and for my personal taste I like the last lineup best. Not all of it, not every night of course. Some shows are better than others, and some years are better than others. I consider their best to be 2005, 2009, Spring '13, and the last run in '14 - with 2003 and especially early 2010 getting close to that level. That's not to say '02, or '06, or '08 are not good or whatever, just the years I mentioned, and especially '09 which is pretty ridiculous from start to finish are the best examples of the last lineup in my opinion.

I like that final lineup the best first and foremost because it's my belief that of all the incredible, nearly otherworldly players to pass through the ABB in it's history - that Derek Trucks is best player of them all. He stands on the shoulders of giants of course , so do we all - what we all do isn't possible at the same level without the greats that came before us, but the very best build upon what came before. I take nothing away from Duane and young Dickey when I say that, or Herring, or Jack, or Chuck, or all the others - but Derek Trucks when he really dials it in is capable of things as an improviser that hardly seem possible. He has an ability to build solos in such unique way (as does Jack btw), and an equal facility with layering on build ups of breathtaking melodic beauty and finishing with roaring power and urgency when the moment calls for it.

Further, I like the jazzy, instrumental exploration side of the band best, and at their best there are more jazz influenced excursions from the final lineup than the others - more instrumentals, more diversity and creativity in some of their excursions. At their worst some of the jamming by the last group could get stale - devolve into screaming two guitar crescendos that were easy for them - still good mind you, but easy and sometimes repetitive. But at their best, they could take things like Kind of Bird, Afro Blue, Liz Reed, Instrumental Illness, Egypt, Mountain Jam, the new outro part of Rocking Horse, the coda to Black Hearted Woman, the new outro to Nobody Left to Run With, the swing section of Desdemona, the jam in Dusk till Dawn, etc. etc. to places other bands, even other incredible bands just don't often get to in my experience.

For creating original material - certainly the original group and the immediate Dickey/Chuck era right after hasn't been equaled in terms of songwriting. They created the classic songs - and while I love lots of the of the Warren/Dickey material too - there's no doubt the original group and the lineups right after hit gold as writers. That being said, I love Desdamona, Dusk till Dawn, Rocking Horse, Egypt, Instrumental Illness, Bag End - there were some excllent originals created by or first recorded by the final lineup as well.

For standout versions of songs - for my taste - things like Statesboro Blues, Trouble No More, Done Somebody Wrong - the more straight ahead songs - almost all the versions of the band through the years execute those at a very high level. They are, IMO, relatively simple in comparison to some of the other things this band does, and there isn't much difference in a well executed version of one of those by the originals, the Warren/Dickey lineup, the last lineup, or lots of the other ones in between. Not every version every night of course, the crispness varies by the quality of night the band was having, but a lot of the more straight ahead parts of the catalog gets nailed by all the lineups at times pretty much as well as it ever was - they aren't song forms that allow for a ton of differentiation. 3/26/09 and 10/28/14 are two nights that come to mind quickly that are good examples of the more song-based songs being executed at an extremely high level - there are lots more examples, they played 13 years worth of shows after all - but that's 2 nights to come to mind right away.

For the jam vehicles - for Elizabeth Reed I hate that they chopped it up with drums/bass so often in the later years - but c'est la guerre - I'm happy to put forward 10/11/2008 as a great example of a self-contained version. There's tons more that I'm happy to have take the Pepsi challenge with Liz Reeds from the original group - 3/12/2009, 3/14/2009, 3/21/2009, 3/26/2009, 10/11/2009, 10/14/2009, 10/17/2009, 4/23/2010, 3/9/2013 to cite a few.

For Les Brers in A Minor check out 3/23/2009. For Whipping Post, there's so many and it got delivered pretty flawlessly on At Filmore East to be sure, but 10/27/14 is ferocious - and there's lots more from over the 13 years of the final lineup that are noteworthy, but I've gone on more than long enough probably.

Anyway, I know i'm more likely in the minority than not, most here are going to prefer the original lineup likely and that's obviously a great choice - they were the originators and set an unreal standard for later incarnations to try and live up to. For me, I find things to love about all the incarnations, but it's the best of the final lineup I gravitate to most often. If anyone actually read all this, I feel like I should send you a few dollars for your time or something - but it was nice to get into a deeper dive discussion of the ABB again - I miss having them out there on the road creating new performances to talk about.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2018 at 12:38 PM
What a nicely reasoned and well argued post by that slothrop character above. That guy has a future posting here for sure - he really won me over and I agree with him 100%.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2018 at 03:15 PM
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What a nicely reasoned and well argued post by that slothrop character above. That guy has a future posting here for sure - he really won me over and I agree with him 100%.


LOL....well played. I love all the different eras for what they are too. None are bad, some are great, others are incredible. Obviously, we'd have none of them without the original 6.

Having said that, has anyone checked in on blackey? His head very well may have exploded reading your post. If not, I'm sure he'll be by shortly with a patented "If you think ____" post.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2018 at 05:53 PM
"I was born in 1976" gives slothrop away. Well I wish I were born in 1976 rather than 1946. I'd rather be 42 than 72 and have missed the original Allman Brothers. I've only encountered one person who became an Allman Brothers fan during Duane Allman"s life time who thought the last line up was the best and that is Butch Trucks. Jaimoe mentioned in an interview that Butch told him the same thing but to Jaimoe, there was an energy and magic that stopped when Duane. Allman died and they NEVER had that kind of energy again. And he is right. The Allman Brothers were NEVER as powerful as they were when Duane was alive. Gregg said it, Dickey said it too. I saw EVERY lineup many times and NEVER saw the original lineup topped. I never saw any lineup do a scorching 25 minute Whipping Post and seque into a 45 minute Mountain Jam and play non stop for well over an hour. Kudos to Butch Trucks for pounding that out for that long.

But wait. Not only did Warren say since 2014 he thought the early 90s was when the band had the most energy since he joined, Butch Trucks began to criticize the last lineup after 2014. Some of that negative talk is actually on videos not print. Look on YouTube for Butch Trucks' interviews about the Freight Train Band. Butch talks about how during the last years of the Allman Brothers he complained to Derek and Warren about being too predictable. That he knew what they were going to do before they did it. That when Duane was alive they were spontaneous and just jumped into the deep end and went somewhere new. They were not afraid to take chances and make a mistake. Butch said at the Beacon Warren became too afraid he would blow something. When challenging him to go off into something not related to the jam they were doing, instead of improvisation we got a tease from a Led Zepplin song etc. Butch said he was trying real hard to get the players in his band to approach the music like the original Allman Brothers. Just let go and take me somewhere new and don't care if we have a train wreck. If we do, just keep digging until we get going again. I can hear Butch bring the original band back in sync on Mountain Jam on Eat A Peach.

Apparently Butch either didn't mean it and was just hyping the band when he would say the last lineup was the best or by 2010 he realised he was wrong. Well even when he said the last line up was the best in one interview, he added " But I will say the original band was the most creative."

Derek Trucks and Warren are excellent players. I was just watching Mule on YouTube last night doing Pink Floyd songs. Warren probably knows more songs than any musician ever.

Duane Allman had more energy and set other musicians on fire than anyone I ever saw. And Dickey Betts probably is the best guitar player ever in the band. Listen to his solos on Liz Reed on Fillmore and One Way Out on Eat A Peach and Jelly, Jelly on Brothers and Sisters, his singing on Blue Sky and his original songs that are along with Gregg's songs, the song book of the band. Blue Sky, Revival, Liz Reed, Ramblin'Man, Southbound, Jessica, Seven Turns etc.

Duane, Berry, Gregg and Butch have passed on and Dickey doesn't play or sing that well now though he did sound much better at Peach but still not like young Dickey or Dickey with Warren or Jack for that matter. So it's fine to turn your attention to Warren, Jack and Derek Trucks who can still really bring it. I do. I'm very fond of TTB and Mule and Jack Pearson. But I saw all versions of the band and the original had an energy that stopped and NEVER appeared again when Duane died. Johnny Lee Johnson, who played in all the lineups except late 1980 to 1982 is right about that. The last lineup was fantastic several times when I saw them and one of the hottest shows I saw was Dickey and Jack in 1997 in Raleigh. But I'm telling you from May 1970 to October 1971 the Allman Brothers was so powerful, creative and had so much energy they became famous. More famous than Govt Mule or TTB or Dickey Betts and Great Southern or Sea Level. And they never had that kind of energy on stage again. Liz Reed on Fillmore East is a 10+ and no other lineup could play it like that.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2018 at 09:52 PM
I'll give this a shot, from a somewhat different (hopefully refreshing) perspective. I'm 29 years old and grew up listening to Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Marshall Tucker, Little Feat, Santana, and, above all, the Allman Brothers Band--all thanks to my father, who is now 69 years old and followed the original lineup religiously during the early 70s. He was a fanatic and saw the Brothers countless times, front and center, during that time, but sadly never got the chance to see Duane before he passed. I've always been a listener, but it wasn't until roughly 3 years ago that I really dug in to the Brothers' catalog.

I've listened to most iterations of the band, and I follow a wealth of contemporary music as well (I've always loved Derek Trucks--saw him once with the Brothers, once with Clapton, and will be seeing TTB soon) but Duane Allman is the greatest musician I've ever heard play any instrument. LAFE has been in my car's CD player (yes, CD's still exist) for the last 3 years, and I can safely say that there is rarely a day I go now without listening to something from the original lineup.

I've sought out as much music and gotten my hands on as many live shows from the Duane era as I could. Without having the privilege to see them live, I still feel comfortable saying that the original lineup displayed a collective work of pure musicianship that simply is unparalleled, at least to my ears. Hyperbole aside, it's truly astounding that, as many times as I've heard IMOER on LAFE or Blue Sky from Stonybrook '71, I still discover and hear new things. To me, the most elegant description of Duane and Berry's playing together is simple -- genius. Add in a fiery, masterful Dickey Betts, the inexplicably symbiotic relationship between Butch and Jaimoe, along with the profound voice of a young Gregg Allman, and it's not even a fair competition to me. It's a landslide, despite the wonderful iterations of the band that came over the next 40 years. Six people in their early twenties playing together simultaneously with blissful spontaneity yet also in complete synchronization is almost an incomprehensible concept.

The Original Six were connected at a much deeper, spiritual, holistic level and in a way that just doesn't really happen, and I don't think it's happened since Duane passed away. You can literally feel the energy they created on stage, and I'm listening nearly half a century through only plastic headphones. I'm dying to find a new group that somehow captures the same kind of magic. But the original ABB will forever be a gift to us all.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2018 at 10:52 PM
Skydog4president I'm well pleased you were able to latch on to the energy and magic of original lineup. The REAL Allman Brothers Band. BERRY OAKLEY, DICKEY BETTS, BUTCH TRUCKS, JAI JOHNNY JOHNSON, GREGG ALLMAN AND I'M DUANE ALLMAN! GOOD NIGHT. Duane Allman had an energy that fed The rest of the band. By March of 1971 the Allman Brothers was playing with such energy and with such a vibe it was almost like a religion. As Jaimoe said that level of energy left with Duane and never returned. Jaimoe said he was at such a place musically playing with Duane that his spirit left his body several times. Said that only happened once apart from playing with Duane and it was when he saw cthe Mahavishew Orchestra.

Duane Allman is the reason the band was successful and played off and on until 2014. Duane was Derek Trucks original inspiration and LAFE is THE album he soaked in growing up.

But I want to give credit to the last lineup. Especially leading up to the 40th in 2009, they were really bringing it. Derek and Dickey in 1999 were hot. Jack and Dickey were hot in 1997. And the Warren and Woody lineup in 1990 to 1993 was really hot especially when Dickey was having a good night. From 1994 to 1997 the band was hit and miss to me.Apparently it was caused by Dickey's behavior. He needed to Change His Way of Living. With Dickey they had two more hot periods. 1997 when Jack joined and 1999 when Derek joined. Dickey was bringing it in 97 and 99.

After Duane died by 1974 the wheels were coming off for a variety of reasons and they broke up in 1976. The 1978 to 1982 version never really got the chemistry mixed to take the band forward and the air was sucked out when they fired Jaimoe, hired David Toler and Mike Lawler and put out Reach for the Sky and especially Brothers of the Road. Enlightened Rogues was okay but not much better than Win, Loose and Draw. It looked as if the ABB was never going to find it's mojo until they got Warren Haynes and Allen Woody. And they ended very strong in 2014 with the last lineup.

I wish the original lineup could have lasted at least until 2000. But age and life in the fast lane likely mean after 2000 the band wouldn't have been as good as the last lineup. So my hat is off to the last lineup.

 

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