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  posted on 6/15/2018 at 06:15 PM
Okay then the last line up was the best. I must have missed the shows where they played Liz Reed better that the Fillmore album and One Way Out better than Eat A Peach. I must have accidentally put on the wrong CD when I got a copy of Hitting the Note as it didn't strike me being better than Fillmore East, Eat A Peach or even Brothers and Sisters.

And what song on Hitting the Note became an ABB classic such as Midnight Rider, Dreams, Whipping Post, Blue Sky, Ain't Waisting Time No More or the songs on Brothers and Sisters such as Jessica, Southbound, Wasted Words?

Someone direct me to recordings of Liz Reed or Blue Sky or Statesboro Blues by the last line up that tops Fillmore East or Eat A Peach.

Are there people here who think Hitting the Note is better than Eat A Peach?

Eat A Peach: 2,437,000 copies sold. Double Platinum. Hitting the Note apparently 36,000 copies though I've also heard 200,000 copies.

With all due respect to the last line up and Derek and Warren who are great musicians, YOU PEOPLE MUST NOT GOT TO SEE THE ORIGINAL LINEUP.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2018 at 08:43 PM
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Okay then the last line up was the best. I must have missed the shows where they played Liz Reed better that the Fillmore album and One Way Out better than Eat A Peach. I must have accidentally put on the wrong CD when I got a copy of Hitting the Note as it didn't strike me being better than Fillmore East, Eat A Peach or even Brothers and Sisters.

And what song on Hitting the Note became an ABB classic such as Midnight Rider, Dreams, Whipping Post, Blue Sky, Ain't Waisting Time No More or the songs on Brothers and Sisters such as Jessica, Southbound, Wasted Words?

Someone direct me to recordings of Liz Reed or Blue Sky or Statesboro Blues by the last line up that tops Fillmore East or Eat A Peach.

Are there people here who think Hitting the Note is better than Eat A Peach?

Eat A Peach: 2,437,000 copies sold. Double Platinum. Hitting the Note apparently 36,000 copies though I've also heard 200,000 copies.

With all due respect to the last line up and Derek and Warren who are great musicians, YOU PEOPLE MUST NOT GOT TO SEE THE ORIGINAL LINEUP.


Holy hell, dude. You’re arguing with yourself here I think.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2018 at 10:33 PM
No I'm getting Email from a different site thats actually about a different band and a few posts here claiming the last lineup of the ABB was their best. So I was saying "Okay the last line up was the best" because I'm hearing from about 7 people who saw the last lineup several times and it was the best band ever. Derek Truck's is the best guitar player playing today anywhere. He is. Certainly one of the best but its a big world. One person admitted he had never seen the original band but has heard Fillmore East and Eat A Peach and Derek, Warren and Otiel can play circles around Duane, Dickey and Berry Oakley.

I think all will have to admit the original material from the original lineup and the next line up was never equaled by later lineups. I have Hitting the Note the last studio album from the band and I don't hear an album that tops Eat A Peach or Fillmore East or Brothers and Sisters for that matter. So I will admit I have been corrected if someone will please direct me to last line up versions of Statesboro Blues, Done Somebody Wrong, You Don't Love Me, Whipping Post, One Way Out, Trouble No More, Blue Sky etc that are played better that what the original line up did on Fillmore East and Eat A Peach. Somehow I haven't run across those performances.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2018 at 12:00 AM
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I think all will have to admit the original material from the original lineup and the next line up was never equaled by later lineups.


My vote goes to the original 6. Hands down.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2018 at 01:37 PM
I'll take the bait (warning - this is going to be long) and offer my opinion because I'm someone who does like the last lineup the best. I was born in 1976 and only saw the last lineup live - but I've got tons of shows from every period and all the albums, and I'm basing my thoughts on the recordings more so than being there. That being said, the Allman Brothers are my favorite band and one of the things I enjoy as a fan are listening to the different lineups of the band through the years and hearing how different players and different instrumentation puts new spins on familiar material. I love almost every lineup - not crazy about the Lawler/Tolers group in the early 80s - and less enthusiastic about even the '79 group - but I there are lots and lots of things I love about the original group, the 5 man band, Williams/Leavell, Toler/Leavell/with the rotating bass players/ Haynes/Neel/Woody, Quinones/Haynes/Woody, Oteil and Jack, Dickey and Derek, Trucks and Herring, the final lineup, and the fall tour in '09 that was the final lineup plus Bruce Katz. I've even tracked down as much as I can from any mini-run or one-off fill-in configurations - Grissom/Haynes, Pearson/Haynes/Woody, Herring/Haynes, Haynes/Pearson/Oteil, Trucks/Herring/Louis, Trucks/Pearson/Holloway, etc. etc.

I've sought it all all out spent a lot of time with all the combinations, and for my personal taste I like the last lineup best. Not all of it, not every night of course. Some shows are better than others, and some years are better than others. I consider their best to be 2005, 2009, Spring '13, and the last run in '14 - with 2003 and especially early 2010 getting close to that level. That's not to say '02, or '06, or '08 are not good or whatever, just the years I mentioned, and especially '09 which is pretty ridiculous from start to finish are the best examples of the last lineup in my opinion.

I like that final lineup the best first and foremost because it's my belief that of all the incredible, nearly otherworldly players to pass through the ABB in it's history - that Derek Trucks is best player of them all. He stands on the shoulders of giants of course , so do we all - what we all do isn't possible at the same level without the greats that came before us, but the very best build upon what came before. I take nothing away from Duane and young Dickey when I say that, or Herring, or Jack, or Chuck, or all the others - but Derek Trucks when he really dials it in is capable of things as an improviser that hardly seem possible. He has an ability to build solos in such unique way (as does Jack btw), and an equal facility with layering on build ups of breathtaking melodic beauty and finishing with roaring power and urgency when the moment calls for it.

Further, I like the jazzy, instrumental exploration side of the band best, and at their best there are more jazz influenced excursions from the final lineup than the others - more instrumentals, more diversity and creativity in some of their excursions. At their worst some of the jamming by the last group could get stale - devolve into screaming two guitar crescendos that were easy for them - still good mind you, but easy and sometimes repetitive. But at their best, they could take things like Kind of Bird, Afro Blue, Liz Reed, Instrumental Illness, Egypt, Mountain Jam, the new outro part of Rocking Horse, the coda to Black Hearted Woman, the new outro to Nobody Left to Run With, the swing section of Desdemona, the jam in Dusk till Dawn, etc. etc. to places other bands, even other incredible bands just don't often get to in my experience.

For creating original material - certainly the original group and the immediate Dickey/Chuck era right after hasn't been equaled in terms of songwriting. They created the classic songs - and while I love lots of the of the Warren/Dickey material too - there's no doubt the original group and the lineups right after hit gold as writers. That being said, I love Desdamona, Dusk till Dawn, Rocking Horse, Egypt, Instrumental Illness, Bag End - there were some excllent originals created by or first recorded by the final lineup as well.

For standout versions of songs - for my taste - things like Statesboro Blues, Trouble No More, Done Somebody Wrong - the more straight ahead songs - almost all the versions of the band through the years execute those at a very high level. They are, IMO, relatively simple in comparison to some of the other things this band does, and there isn't much difference in a well executed version of one of those by the originals, the Warren/Dickey lineup, the last lineup, or lots of the other ones in between. Not every version every night of course, the crispness varies by the quality of night the band was having, but a lot of the more straight ahead parts of the catalog gets nailed by all the lineups at times pretty much as well as it ever was - they aren't song forms that allow for a ton of differentiation. 3/26/09 and 10/28/14 are two nights that come to mind quickly that are good examples of the more song-based songs being executed at an extremely high level - there are lots more examples, they played 13 years worth of shows after all - but that's 2 nights to come to mind right away.

For the jam vehicles - for Elizabeth Reed I hate that they chopped it up with drums/bass so often in the later years - but c'est la guerre - I'm happy to put forward 10/11/2008 as a great example of a self-contained version. There's tons more that I'm happy to have take the Pepsi challenge with Liz Reeds from the original group - 3/12/2009, 3/14/2009, 3/21/2009, 3/26/2009, 10/11/2009, 10/14/2009, 10/17/2009, 4/23/2010, 3/9/2013 to cite a few.

For Les Brers in A Minor check out 3/23/2009. For Whipping Post, there's so many and it got delivered pretty flawlessly on At Filmore East to be sure, but 10/27/14 is ferocious - and there's lots more from over the 13 years of the final lineup that are noteworthy, but I've gone on more than long enough probably.

Anyway, I know i'm more likely in the minority than not, most here are going to prefer the original lineup likely and that's obviously a great choice - they were the originators and set an unreal standard for later incarnations to try and live up to. For me, I find things to love about all the incarnations, but it's the best of the final lineup I gravitate to most often. If anyone actually read all this, I feel like I should send you a few dollars for your time or something - but it was nice to get into a deeper dive discussion of the ABB again - I miss having them out there on the road creating new performances to talk about.

[Edited on 6/16/2018 by slothrop8]

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  posted on 6/16/2018 at 07:24 PM
Soltrop8. I read all of what you wrote. I respect your thoughts. And it's clear to me, or my guess, you are a huge Derek Trucks fan. I like Derek a lot too.

I respect what you say because you latched on to the last line up and especially Derek like I did to the original line up in 1970. I really didn't have a favorite player. It was the entire band that blew me away and grabbed me so strongly. How all 6 sounded together. Those six guys all sounded different. Duane and Dickey had different styles. Butch didn't play drums like Jaimoe and Oakley was a very different bass player. I'd never heard a bass player play like that. Sometimes live he would harmonize with Duane and Dickey when they were harmonize. Then there was Gregg and we know now his bag and songs were more what he did with his solo bands but his piece of the puzzle fit together with the other five perfectly. The way the sounded together created the sound called the Allman Brothers and it was a new sound.

Those six guys when they played together originated a sound that was unique and unlike any band before. And the original material they worked up ( and the first year of the Chuck/Lamar band with Jessica, Southbound, Ramblin' Man, Wasted Words etc, as I noticed you agreed, was the song writing peak for the band. The songs written then form the top 10 best and classic songs that definitely the ABB.

The original band, when you take it all together, is the high water mark and cornerstone of what we know as the Allman Brothers.

I like to think the reason we had additional line ups is because Duane and Berry died. It could be some if the original six would have quit by 1980 or the band broke up by then but I doubt it. Not while Duane was alive. He was their guru. They all were in awe of him and feed off his energy. And Jaimoe said recently...that was the end of that. The energy and vibe of the band changed when Duane died and it was never the same. Later line ups, some better than others, tried to keep that original vibe going but it was never exactly the same.

The last line up did bring stability and top notch musicianship to the band that kept it going for 13 years, the longest version of the band, after the termoil and bad energy and discord that began swirling in 1995 that caused the exit of Warren and Woody in 1997, the exit of Jack in 99 and Dickey's ouster in 2000. I don't know if Gregg really meant it but he said about 2003 that if they didn't have Derek and if Warren hadn't come back, he was ready to hang it up as far as the Brothers were concerned after the beacon 2001 run. But Warren agreed to rejoin and the band had a lot of good years. For an old fan like me, I missed Dickey and his sound which Warren said was a hugh part of the bands sound even after he wasn't there.

But with all due respect to you and the last line up, the original lineup was the pure Allman Brothers. It has to be. Those original six and the original material from 1969-1973 is what made the band what it was and is it's cornerstone and design.

Now I respect the last line up and acknowledge Derek as one of the best guitarists out there. But he will tell you that his biggest early influence was Duane Allman. When I listen to Duane's slide playing on Fillmore East or Dickey's solos on Liz Reed on Fillmore or One Way Out on Eat a Peach, I just don't believe Derek and Warren ever topped it. I think the problem may be I got hooked on the band with the original lineup and you the last lineup and as Jaimoe said, the energy and vibe was gone and was over when Duane and Berry died. So I'm coming from a different experience and era if you will. Other line ups were real good, some better than others, but what was happening with the original band ended when Duane split. I agree with Jaimoe. When I want to introduce someone to the real deal Allman Brothers, I put on the Fillmore and Eat a Peach album. But if there are people who were not into the band then and it's the last lineup that really knocked you out then fine. There is no need to agree about it I guess. It's like a man telling someone vanilla is best when he likes chocolate ice cream better. Carry on. But I will never understand how anybody can think a later lineup tops the original band

 

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  posted on 6/16/2018 at 07:36 PM
I wish I knew how to turn this damn spell check off on this phone. I go back and change the words it changed back to what I wrote and when I click on post, some of them return to what the spell check thinks I'm saying and it makes some of my sentences impossible to read. Had to retype 5 words on this one. This think just flat sucks. I'm 71 and can't adapt to this either damn it.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2018 at 09:22 PM
Enjoyed reading your take Slothrop8
 

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  posted on 6/17/2018 at 09:24 PM
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I wish I knew how to turn this damn spell check off on this phone. I go back and change the words it changed back to what I wrote and when I click on post, some of them return to what the spell check thinks I'm saying and it makes some of my sentences impossible to read. Had to retype 5 words on this one. This think just flat sucks. I'm 71 and can't adapt to this either damn it.


LOL

You have a 15 years on me but I bet I'm worse than you when it comes to adjusting. I have a real love-hate relationship with technology.

 

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  posted on 6/18/2018 at 07:59 AM
There is no better or best - only different.

For instance, people will make claims that someone is "the best" such as made above about Derek. Based on nothing more that opinion and preference and not any type of actual fact. My buddy graduated with a Masters in Music and can play classical/fingerstyle that Derek will NEVER be able to play if he lives until 200 years old. Derek can also play slide better than my buddy EVER will.

Who is better? From a pure music theory knowledge, I guarantee that Derek would tell you my buddy - hands down. Why? Because he knows his limitations and there are many guitarists who have skills that he never will.

No one is better or worse - just different. It is how it makes you feel.

You can bring up a recording like Liz Reed from the Fillmore and state that it is better than any version by any other era. Well before comparing it to other eras, how about comparing it to the original lineups other versions? Did they play it as well the night before or after? Did they ever play it that well again? If not then does that mean that the Original 6 were better than themselves? Should they have quit after doing that version as it could never be topped.


What makes that version better? The fact that we have heard it millions of times. If they had released a different version then that would have become the Holy Grail of Liz Reeds.

Not every night is golden by any lineup and they all hit huge peaks. Which era hit what peaks on what songs? Some may like another version of Liz Reed from a different night. Same band but different levels. Which version is better? There is no better only different.

 

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  posted on 6/18/2018 at 09:28 AM
agree w/above post, overall
hear blackey too -- no matter who came along afterward, the original band was its own exempt-from-comparison magic & none that followed could've, & weren't expected to, live up to what it did

there are basically 18 mos worth of DA/BO shows (Jan. 1970-Oct 1971), while there blessedly are years of shows w/Warren & Derek -- they're all very different & the 1997-2000 period w/Dickey, Jack & Derek, I listen to the most nowadays -- also that 2005 show w/Jack & Derek in London Ont you sent James -- other one offs like Jimmy's sit in in Stowe Vt., the Jack/Warren show 1993 & those --

The Allmans always loved the stage -- Berry Oakley, Dickey Betts, Butch Trucks, Jai Johanny Johansen, Gregg Allman . . Duane Allman

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  posted on 6/18/2018 at 09:44 AM
agree
If I had only 1 release to listen to, it would be AFE hands down.
The original 6 originated it, etc.

Had my phone on shuffle this AM at the gym, heard Spanish Key from the UP run. Outrageous.
I have no doubt that Duane and co could have done just as good a job with it but they never had the oppurtinity.

give me all of it!!!!

 

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  posted on 6/18/2018 at 11:45 AM
I have always wondered what it is like for fans of the band who first experienced them in one of their later lineups. If that is your first exposure to the the band's true musical excellence, if it is what grabs your musical soul, it is going to become the bar against which you judge all the rest. And as slothrop8 indicates, he has listened thoroughly to all the configurations and the entire catalogue. If the rest didn't have the same impact then what other conclusion can he reach from his own extensive listening experience?

We are all fortunate to have available such a legacy of incredible performances by so many gifted musicians and composers. What matters is what hits you deepest in the gut and at what high point you might have been first exposed to the band's greatness. I was on the train from the start, listening in my late teens and early twenties. The era then passed and even for a time I lost interest in the band. Then more great players were added, the band members became more sane, the catalogue broadened, and as far I was concerned there was a renaissance with the band reaching extraordinary musical heights. It was more than I ever could have expected, but if I have to make a call regarding the best unit nothing still moves me like the original 6. I can't help it, they are the bedrock of my musical soul. For me, all the rest is a glorious and well-appreciated footnote.

 

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