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  posted on 1/18/2018 at 07:52 PM
The Democrats insist on blanket amnesty for illegal aliens or they will shut down the Government.

The date to fix the DACA matter March 5th. DACA is a temporary policy brought on by Obama as political weapon to buy votes and the Democrats never offered a permanent solution.

The left wants to shut down the Government tonight over an entirely unrelated matter.

BTW – it is not a Government shutdown. All critical functions of the Federal Government will continue to operate, and Social Security distributions are not affected.


 

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  posted on 1/18/2018 at 07:58 PM
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The Democrats insist on blanket amnesty for illegal aliens or they will shut down the Government.

The date to fix the DACA matter March 5th. DACA is a temporary policy brought on by Obama as political weapon to buy votes and the Democrats never offered a permanent solution.

The left wants to shut down the Government tonight over an entirely unrelated matter.

BTW – it is not a Government shutdown. All critical functions of the Federal Government will continue to operate, and Social Security distributions are not affected.




Trying to blame the Democrats when the Republicans hold both houses of Congress and the presidency is sad and pathetic. Trump and the Republican lead congress own this. I thought Trump was a great negotiator? Doesn't seem like it.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2018 at 09:03 PM
The Democrats are demanding a “clean” dream act in exchange for funding the government.
They conveniently don’t mention that the so-called “dreamers” are illegal aliens.


 

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  posted on 1/18/2018 at 09:13 PM
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The Democrats are demanding a “clean” dream act in exchange for funding the government.
They conveniently don’t mention that the so-called “dreamers” are illegal aliens.




Trump has said that he loves the Dreamers on several occasions, which I guess makes sense given his love for illegal things. So the great negotiator should have no problem cutting a deal. Unless your suggesting he isn't a very good negotiator.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2018 at 09:24 PM
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The Democrats insist on blanket amnesty for illegal aliens or they will shut down the Government.

The date to fix the DACA matter March 5th. DACA is a temporary policy brought on by Obama as political weapon to buy votes and the Democrats never offered a permanent solution.

The left wants to shut down the Government tonight over an entirely unrelated matter.

BTW – it is not a Government shutdown. All critical functions of the Federal Government will continue to operate, and Social Security distributions are not affected.




Trying to blame the Democrats when the Republicans hold both houses of Congress and the presidency is sad and pathetic. Trump and the Republican lead congress own this. I thought Trump was a great negotiator? Doesn't seem like it.


He has spent more time at his properties and playing golf than showing us his great negotiation skills. Then again, if he doesn't really understand policy & ramifications, it is hard to negotiate; much easier to make up stupid / childish nicknames and give out simpleton Fake New Awards. So he goes with what his skills really are.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2018 at 10:08 PM
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The Democrats are demanding a “clean” dream act in exchange for funding the government.
They conveniently don’t mention that the so-called “dreamers” are illegal aliens.




Trump has said that he loves the Dreamers on several occasions, which I guess makes sense given his love for illegal things. So the great negotiator should have no problem cutting a deal. Unless your suggesting he isn't a very good negotiator.



President Trump has repeatedly said he wants a solution to the so-called "dreamers" issue and securing our country's boarders to, amongst many other issues, preventing the illegal alien problem from happening again.

The left offers no solutions to that problem or the others such as human trafficking or drug smuggling.

President Trump's negotiating skills are quite apparent as evidenced in matters such as the booming economy and repeated foreign policy successes.





 

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  posted on 1/18/2018 at 10:42 PM
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The Democrats are demanding a “clean” dream act in exchange for funding the government.
They conveniently don’t mention that the so-called “dreamers” are illegal aliens.




Trump has said that he loves the Dreamers on several occasions, which I guess makes sense given his love for illegal things. So the great negotiator should have no problem cutting a deal. Unless your suggesting he isn't a very good negotiator.



President Trump has repeatedly said he wants a solution to the so-called "dreamers" issue and securing our country's boarders to, amongst many other issues, preventing the illegal alien problem from happening again.

The left offers no solutions to that problem or the others such as human trafficking or drug smuggling.

President Trump's negotiating skills are quite apparent as evidenced in matters such as the booming economy and repeated foreign policy successes.



By booming economy I guess you mean a 6 year low in jobs added to the economy and by foreign policy successes you must mean the US becoming the laughingstock of the world.

He might have had some success on the golf course though since he spends 3 times as much time golfing than Obama did.

Trump is a pathetic piece of trash as a human being, and he's even a worse president.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2018 at 10:43 PM
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Trying to blame the Democrats when the Republicans hold both houses of Congress and the presidency is sad and pathetic. Trump and the Republican lead congress own this. I thought Trump was a great negotiator? Doesn't seem like it.


His negotiating skills with political parties that want different things isn't very good. Most recently, he tells them to go off and do something together, to figure it out, and he will support it, only to throw it back in their face when he doesn't like it.

Lindsey Graham today had a take on who Trump is and aside from addressing the racist claims, Graham said, paraphrasing, that Trump got where he is as a street fighter, the fight is over, we need a leader now. And he has yet to rise to that task. Whether or not Trump truly was ever up for being a great negotiator in Washington is fair to question, but in this political climate we live in today a certified master negotiator would be hard pressed to bring these opposing side together. I don't think Trump understands the necessity or importance his position has in rallying support and individual votes among members of his own party let alone those on the other side.

To the other point, the House passed a CR, the Senate needs 60 votes to pass it. Even if every Republican were to support it in the Senate they would require 9 Democrats to go along with them. It's not all on the Republican shoulders, they can't do this alone.


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I'd lay even odds that most Americans couldn't tell you what a tariff is, regardless of party.


We'd be on the same side of that bet. I can picture a guy with a microphone and camera walking around random places asking random Americans questions - I cringe at some of the responses we might hear! But yeah, not everyone even calls it a tariff anymore. But corporations know what the word means and we both know what that means - difficult to say the least. Most Republicans wouldn't support it anyway (unless Trump can negotiate them into it


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I'm also sure you realize that with increased tariffs on imported goods comes with increased consumer prices, which likely will slow retail sales. Every action has some kind of resulting effect. Chances are that any slight increase in US manufacturing will come with a significant decrease in retail sales due to higher prices. That's why protectionist policies generally don't sour economic growth. I'm not generally opposed to putting tariffs on goods to level the playing field based on environmental regulations, etc. But not to build an unnecessary wall for political purposes.


Sure, that is a likely result to anticipate, the higher prices, just like any additional cost companies incur are also passed along to the consumer...say like more OSHA compliance costs....or anything really, unless they for some reason would be willing to absorb such costs. Would it slow sales? I don't know. If you have a choice of a foreign product and there are other domestic products alternatives available at similar or even lower prices (thanks to the tariff) then it may not slow retail sales. US investment flowed into Mexico to take advantage of the cheap overhead and tariff free importation into the US. Change those variables and investment is likely to take place "here", rather than "there". Success!

I often choose to pay more for made in USA goods. However, sometimes I can get made in USA goods for the same price as an imported product (and on occasion actually cheaper). Having things made here doesn't always mean it costs more at the cash register (or check-out screen).

If I recall our prior conversations, I believe you and I have some common ground on this trade issue. I respect your opposition for using a specific tariff to fund a specific partisan controversial expenditure - just because I know you have honest rejection of the need for a wall and the related cost to do it. I think if we had a whole host of taxes on imports and the money raised from such could fund a whole host of things our government wanted to do, the issue of the wall and using a tax to pay for it would just blend right in with the rest of it all. I'm happy if we can get physical barriers as outlined in the original Secure Fence Act of 2006 - which was cut off at the knees after receiving bipartisan support - and I'm all for using taxes on foreign products to pay for that...or anything else we want to spend the money on.


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  posted on 1/18/2018 at 11:46 PM
"We don't have a reliable partner at the White House to negotiate with," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said. "This has turned into an s-show for no good reason."

Nice to know the 'S" word is now ok to use in public discourse. I'll let my 11 year old know he can use it in school now thanks to our president and fellow members of his party.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2018 at 04:30 AM
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They are. Note the word "Illegal", as in showing disrespect for the first law of this land they encounter.


I guess you’ve never driven drunk or smoked a joint, or speed. Such a champion of law you are! You don’t fool me bro - you can claim “law” all you want but I know what you are. Something tells me the illegal Asians and Europeans don’t bother you so much. If you find me impossible to talk to, then please take your own hints and F off.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2018 at 04:31 PM
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They are. Note the word "Illegal", as in showing disrespect for the first law of this land they encounter.


I guess you’ve never driven drunk or smoked a joint, or speed. Such a champion of law you are! You don’t fool me bro - you can claim “law” all you want but I know what you are. Something tells me the illegal Asians and Europeans don’t bother you so much. If you find me impossible to talk to, then please take your own hints and F off.


This isn't a good analogy. We are talking about Dreamers here. People who were brought to this country as children through no fault of their own. This is like arresting a child for possession of stolen property for a gift given to them for Christmas that they had no idea it was stolen. Many of these children have no memory of their "home" country, and are just as American as you and me. Most of them have more respect for the laws of this country than our current president.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2018 at 12:14 AM
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"We don't have a reliable partner at the White House to negotiate with," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said. "This has turned into an s-show for no good reason."

Nice to know the 'S" word is now ok to use in public discourse. I'll let my 11 year old know he can use it in school now thanks to our president and fellow members of his party.


It is funny you say that because when I was a kid and I would hear "ass" or "damn" on network TV I figured if it was good enough for them it was fine for me. My parents did not see it the same way, although my early vocabulary was more colorful than just that.

 
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