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  posted on 10/10/2017 at 09:26 AM
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VEEP Pence attended, gave the players a choice to do the right thing. Some choose to kneel, VEEP felt uncomfortable and left the game.


VP went to the game planning to leave regardless, at Trump's insistence. A few players peacefully protested against inequality and prejudice in this country, which the flag represents, as it is their right to do so. Pence peacefully and expensively counter protested, so I guess he's for inequality and prejudice. Is there any greater symbol of inequality than a white man protesting at the public's expense and being cheered by angry white men, while black men peacefully protest and are vilified? I'd say they made their point, some just refuse to see it.

[Edited on 10/10/2017 by porkchopbob]


Pence is no stranger to inequality actions. As governor of Indiana, didn't he promote and sign legislation of "religious freedom" i.e. discrimination? I'd have to read up on this as it's been a few years back, but he may have reversed himself later. Maybe he realized that from a business perspective, it was a loser. Just look at similar actions in North Carolina, and what it has cost that economy. But make no mistake, Pence is right up there and comfortable with inequality based upon his stance in Indiana with "religious freedom" and abuse of federal taxpayer money at the game the other day playing cultural warrior.

[Edited on 10/10/2017 by MartinD28]

 

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  posted on 10/10/2017 at 09:29 AM
Only 23% of Americans agreed with MLK's march on Washington. The people who disagreed were wrong. The majority of Americans agreed with expanding the war in Vietnam. The majority of the people in America thought the kids at Kent State were in the wrong. The majority of Americans were wrong.

Protests would never work if they were comfortable. The fact that Trump is changing the meaning of these protests is frightening. The ignorant people who are missing the point of these protests are the reason America is failing. The majority of Americans have lost, or never had the ability to critically think. I'm guessing it is because the majority of Americans don't read books. Regardless, this country becomes more of an idiocracy every day.

I stand for the National Anthem at sporting events. The day they tell me I have to stand will be the day I sit down.

The Pentagon paid professionals sports hundreds of thousands of dollars of tax payer money to promote the military. Why? Why are we turning sporting events into Nationalistic rallies? What's next? Concerts? Movies? An anthem an hour at the grocery store where everyone must stop shopping and honor our Country? Our President?

I finished the Vietnam War series last night. This country, our leaders have brought plenty of dishonor to our flag and laid it upon every American citizen. Now we take part in the longest war in American history and again we have no idea why we are fighting or what victory will look like.

You folks who are more concerned about football players taking a knee than Police Officers murdering unarmed black men need to get over yourselves. America is a great country. We can be better. Burying our heads in the sand and ignoring institutional racism will not make this a better country.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2017 at 12:23 PM
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The absolute nerve of anyone to see things differently than you!


Aside from protesting at police stations, which likely get them all killed or arrested


"Likely"...LOL....."Killed".....not if it is peaceful....Don't block traffic, do not stop the police from doing their jobs.

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Absolutely wrong. I have disdain for those who disrespect my Flag. Interpret that anyway you wish.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2017 at 12:44 PM
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Only 23% of Americans agreed with MLK's march on Washington. The people who disagreed were wrong. The majority of Americans agreed with expanding the war in Vietnam. The majority of the people in America thought the kids at Kent State were in the wrong. The majority of Americans were wrong.

Protests would never work if they were comfortable. The fact that Trump is changing the meaning of these protests is frightening. The ignorant people who are missing the point of these protests are the reason America is failing. The majority of Americans have lost, or never had the ability to critically think. I'm guessing it is because the majority of Americans don't read books. Regardless, this country becomes more of an idiocracy every day.

I stand for the National Anthem at sporting events. The day they tell me I have to stand will be the day I sit down.

The Pentagon paid professionals sports hundreds of thousands of dollars of tax payer money to promote the military. Why? Why are we turning sporting events into Nationalistic rallies? What's next? Concerts? Movies? An anthem an hour at the grocery store where everyone must stop shopping and honor our Country? Our President?

I finished the Vietnam War series last night. This country, our leaders have brought plenty of dishonor to our flag and laid it upon every American citizen. Now we take part in the longest war in American history and again we have no idea why we are fighting or what victory will look like.

You folks who are more concerned about football players taking a knee than Police Officers murdering unarmed black men need to get over yourselves. America is a great country. We can be better. Burying our heads in the sand and ignoring institutional racism will not make this a better country.


I was with you right up until the last sentence. The United States is not always a great country. The issues you mentioned at the top of the post are examples. Statistics can be manipulated, but I remember the issues during my college years were the war, which seemed to be opposed by my parents' generation (although not my parents) rather than my peers and opposition to anything MLK said or did (again by an older generation).

My personal "aha" came when people stood for the playing of "Dixie" before a college football game when I visited a well known southern university. I sat in shock. I'd never heard "Dixie" played in public and certainly didn't associate it with college football. The fact that my date and I were the only two who remained seated in our section seemed incredible to me.

I, too, can envision the flag/anthem playing out to what was once a dystopian idea as you described - mandatory halting in the grocery store at the sound of the anthem.

What disheartens me is that the US no longer seems to be a place where there's an exchange of ideas or willingness to compromise for the greater good on anything. Immovable hostility has become the first response on many issues and has replaced courtesy in society in general. There's no more "may I help you?" in lines or customer service. There's stony silence and a grunt or "Yeah?" if forced to speak.

Trump's greatest impact hasn't been on policy. It's his rude disrespectful belligerence that has emboldened loose thinking, speaking, and actions by the population. Hostility abounds.







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  posted on 10/10/2017 at 12:55 PM
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The absolute nerve of anyone to see things differently than you!


Aside from protesting at police stations, which likely get them all killed or arrested


"Likely"...LOL....."Killed".....not if it is peaceful....Don't block traffic, do not stop the police from doing their jobs.

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Absolutely wrong. I have disdain for those who disrespect my Flag. Interpret that anyway you wish.




“My flag”.


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  posted on 10/10/2017 at 01:08 PM
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"Likely"...LOL....."Killed".....not if it is peaceful....Don't block traffic, do not stop the police from doing their jobs


I cannot believe how out of touch you are with reality. To reiterate your idea, you want black people to show up at police stations to protest police brutality, and you think that will be met with praise and respect by the right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

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Absolutely wrong. I have disdain for those who disrespect my Flag. Interpret that anyway you wish


I did already. You are an American that has disdain for peaceful protestors because you find it disrespectful like a true snowflake. Stay silent about the confederate flag waivers. "My flag", LOL.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2017 at 01:17 PM

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VEEP Pence attended, gave the players a choice to do the right thing. Some choose to kneel, VEEP felt uncomfortable and left the game.


Bullsh!t. Nobody gives someone else a choice to exercise their inalienable rights. They gave themselves the choice.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2017 at 02:03 PM
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The modern meaning of the flag was forged in December 1860, when Major Robert Anderson moved the U.S. garrison from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor. Author Adam Goodheart argues this was the opening move of the American Civil War, and the flag was used throughout northern states to symbolize American nationalism and rejection of secessionism.

Before that day, the flag had served mostly as a military ensign or a convenient marking of American territory, flown from forts, embassies, and ships, and displayed on special occasions like American Independence day. But in the weeks after Major Anderson's surprising stand, it became something different.


Funny how most of the people who appear most upset about this protest are also the same people who got upset about Confederate flags and Confederate statues being removed. If you love the US flag and it means that much to you, then you should be against the Confederate flag and everything it stands for...the ultimate betrayal of the USA flag and those that fought for American freedom. But that appears to not be the case. Why do you think that's the case? Do you think those white supremacists wearing nazis symbols and carrying tiki torches are also upset about this "disrespect" to the US flag and support Trump's outrage overy this protest?

 

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  posted on 10/10/2017 at 02:16 PM
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Thank you VP Pence for taking a stand with all the NFL fans who think this misguided protest disrespects America and those who served. This protest has carried on way too long and is alienating lots of fans.


So you think this was taxpayer money well spent then?

 

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  posted on 10/10/2017 at 06:29 PM
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"Likely"...LOL....."Killed".....not if it is peaceful....Don't block traffic, do not stop the police from doing their jobs


I cannot believe how out of touch you are with reality. To reiterate your idea, you want black people to show up at police stations to protest police brutality, and you think that will be met with praise and respect by the right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

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Absolutely wrong. I have disdain for those who disrespect my Flag. Interpret that anyway you wish


I did already. You are an American that has disdain for peaceful protestors because you find it disrespectful like a true snowflake. Stay silent about the confederate flag waivers. "My flag", LOL.


"My Flag" correct. I have the Flag that was draped over my Father's casket after he passed. That gentleman was a Lt. Colonel in the USAF and served proudly in Korea as a member of SAC. Laugh at that.

Which Confederate Flag? As a student of the Civil War, I hold a different view than most. Example? I could walk down the street with the "Stars & Bars" on a shirt and most if not all would not even take notice. Pure ignorance of history. Am I aware that some are offended by my love of Civil War battlefield strategy... Does that make me a racist? I think not. But for the sake of discussion, if you are willing to refer to all lovers of History (Civil War) as "racists" is it not a fair assumption to consider that there are people offended by what they see as disrespect towards the Stars & Stripes by refusing to stand?

 

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  posted on 10/10/2017 at 07:11 PM
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"Likely"...LOL....."Killed".....not if it is peaceful....Don't block traffic, do not stop the police from doing their jobs


I cannot believe how out of touch you are with reality. To reiterate your idea, you want black people to show up at police stations to protest police brutality, and you think that will be met with praise and respect by the right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

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Absolutely wrong. I have disdain for those who disrespect my Flag. Interpret that anyway you wish


I did already. You are an American that has disdain for peaceful protestors because you find it disrespectful like a true snowflake. Stay silent about the confederate flag waivers. "My flag", LOL.


"My Flag" correct. I have the Flag that was draped over my Father's casket after he passed. That gentleman was a Lt. Colonel in the USAF and served proudly in Korea as a member of SAC. Laugh at that.

Which Confederate Flag? As a student of the Civil War, I hold a different view than most. Example? I could walk down the street with the "Stars & Bars" on a shirt and most if not all would not even take notice. Pure ignorance of history. Am I aware that some are offended by my love of Civil War battlefield strategy... Does that make me a racist? I think not. But for the sake of discussion, if you are willing to refer to all lovers of History (Civil War) as "racists" is it not a fair assumption to consider that there are people offended by what they see as disrespect towards the Stars & Stripes by refusing to stand?




I said nothing about the Confederate flag standing for racism. But if you support the Confederacy then you don't support the UNITED States of America. You can't support both - a war was fought over this. If you support the Confederacy and it's goal to not be part of the USA, then you supported the bloodshed of US soldiers that were dying for that flag. Pick a flag to support, but if you take pride in ANY Confederate flag (pick one, doesn't matter which one), then you have no right to call out anyone for not standing for the anthem based on soldiers fighting for a flag.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2017 at 08:28 PM
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Absolutely wrong. I have disdain for those who disrespect my Flag. Interpret that anyway you wish


I guess the Houston Astros must really be on your sh1t list

 

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False outrage seems to be more prevalent than fake news.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2017 at 09:53 AM
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"My Flag" correct. I have the Flag that was draped over my Father's casket after he passed. That gentleman was a Lt. Colonel in the USAF and served proudly in Korea as a member of SAC. Laugh at that.


I would never laugh at that. But I can't help laughing at someone who refers to it as "my flag", when it belongs to all of us. It's pompous to say the least. If anyone is disrespecting the flag, it's you who has disdain for people exercising the freedom that it stands for, all because of taking a knee, which we do during proposals to signify respect, at church to pay respect, and at graves to pay respect.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2017 at 10:41 AM
its amazing that some would rather criticize taking a knee, than criticize the President for trying to take away that right or punish them for exercising it. All Americans should be against that more than they are against taking a knee. This isn't some foreign dictatorship or monarchy. We don't bow or stand unless we choose to do so. If you don't agree with that, then you are living in the wrong country.

I hope the players continue to kneel, get benched or fired, and then sue the pants off both the NFL and the President. If the NFL suffers, they have no one to blame but themselves.

 

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I too hope the players are brave enough to buck the NFL this week.

Like I said earlier, the day I'm told I have to stand for the anthem is the day I sit down.

 

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"My Flag" correct. I have the Flag that was draped over my Father's casket after he passed. That gentleman was a Lt. Colonel in the USAF and served proudly in Korea as a member of SAC. Laugh at that.


I would never laugh at that. But I can't help laughing at someone who refers to it as "my flag", when it belongs to all of us. It's pompous to say the least. If anyone is disrespecting the flag, it's you who has disdain for people exercising the freedom that it stands for, all because of taking a knee, which we do during proposals to signify respect, at church to pay respect, and at graves to pay respect.



My father fought in World War II. When he was buried, my family was presented with the flag that draped his coffin. I would never consider that to be “my flag” because I didn’ t earn it, my father did. To call it my flag would have been taking credit for what a better man did.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2017 at 03:55 PM
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VEEP Pence attended, gave the players a choice to do the right thing. Some choose to kneel, VEEP felt uncomfortable and left the game.


Sounds like he needs to find a safe space where everyone agrees with him. What a snowflake

 

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Sounds like he needs to find a safe space where everyone agrees with him. What a snowflake
Pot......Kettle (no, that is not a racist phrase)

 

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I'm no snowflake. Though I do have a safe space

 

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Sounds like he needs to find a safe space where everyone agrees with him. What a snowflake
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I'm no snowflake. Though I do have a safe space


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Outside of the fact that is a stupid "what if" comparison, where was your outage at tim tebow taking a knee during the anthem when he played???


When did Tebow take a knee during the anthem?

 

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  posted on 10/20/2017 at 01:21 PM
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My Flag" correct.



My father fought in World War II. When he was buried, my family was presented with the flag that draped his coffin. I would never consider that to be “my flag” because I didn’ t earn it, my father did. To call it my flag would have been taking credit for what a better man did.


"My Flag" as in the Flag I respect at all costs and in all circumstances.

 

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