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  posted on 5/23/2017 at 04:40 PM
Would it be cheaper to just put those who cross illegally (and are caught) back on busses to Mexico?

We could

!. Fine employers who use them for cheap labor.

2. End border birthright citizenship, the current practice of go to America, have your baby there and then it is automatically a citizen could be ended, stopping the incentive to illegally cross the border. For the Mothers, provide the care and deliver the baby and then when discharged from the hospital, put them back on a bus and send them back to their country of origin. Central Americans could be flown home because that's too long of a bus trip for a woman who just gave birth and newborn child.

3. Amnesty for those who are already working here, and have families. If they have been here for ? (decide the time frame) number of years working and supporting themselves and families, grant amnesty.

4. Those here legally or illegally if they commit serious crimes within (figure out a time frame), face deportation and return back to their own country.

5. All must learn English (at least conversational) within 2 years of arriving here. Fluency within 5 years.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2017 at 08:10 AM
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Would it be cheaper to just put those who cross illegally (and are caught) back on busses to Mexico?

We could

!. Fine employers who use them for cheap labor.

2. End border birthright citizenship, the current practice of go to America, have your baby there and then it is automatically a citizen could be ended, stopping the incentive to illegally cross the border. For the Mothers, provide the care and deliver the baby and then when discharged from the hospital, put them back on a bus and send them back to their country of origin. Central Americans could be flown home because that's too long of a bus trip for a woman who just gave birth and newborn child.

3. Amnesty for those who are already working here, and have families. If they have been here for ? (decide the time frame) number of years working and supporting themselves and families, grant amnesty.

4. Those here legally or illegally if they commit serious crimes within (figure out a time frame), face deportation and return back to their own country.

5. All must learn English (at least conversational) within 2 years of arriving here. Fluency within 5 years.




They only capture about half the people that actually cross. And how do we keep them from simply doing it again and then we bus them back and then they do it again and then we bus them back.

The penalties for employers hiring illegal labor needs to be severe to take away the incentive to hire illegal labor. $20,000 fine per illegal working for a given employer first offense? Mandatory prison time for the owner and whoever hired the illegal is fired on the second offense? In order to have such penalties there needs to be a federally mandated use of the e-verify system so employers can faithfully and accurately check the applicant they are considering to hire. If e-verify affirms an applicants lawfulness in the US and that person is later found to be illegal the employer should face no punishment since all they can do is rely on the information the system generates.

I am generally in favor of ending the anchor baby method of attaining access for family members to come to or stay in the US.

I can certainly see a time for me to agree to amnesty once other measures are taken to discourage and prevent more illegals for coming here. At this time I am not there.

Legal immigrants, if we are talking citizens or green card holders, who are found guilty crimes should not be deported. If we are talking legal immigrants that are on temporary legal status to be here and they commit crimes, they should be deported. As it stands today any illegal immigrant should be deported, the crime of being here illegally is enough to justify removal.

This conversation is multifaceted...I think attention does need put on illegal crossings on the border with Mexico. However, increasingly we are seeing VISA overstays as a key contributor. What was the recent figure, something like 700,000 people did not leave in 2016 as outlined by the terms of their VISA. And what is it, something like 40% of illegal aliens in the US are a result of VISA overstays? This problem needs addressed with the same attention as the illegals coming here on foot (or smuggled) from the southern border.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2017 at 07:11 PM
We also have drones, why can't a deal be reached with Mexico allowing us to peek over the border to identify people who are trying to cross, and then have a network in place to retrieve them IF they do cross over. The border is long, but they are not coming across every square foot of 900 miles. They do not have cars for the most part, so how far can they walk from the towns, villages they live in to get to border crossings? The US Marshalls should be able to determine where the most likely border crossings would be, and the drones should be allowed to do surveillance activities in Mexico, we have drones all over the Middle East, but we cannot deploy them to Mexico? Why not?

 

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