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  posted on 5/14/2012 at 08:48 PM
Sounds like its between a man and woman from what GOOGLE links lead to.But i guess its like evolution right?That we evolved from apes or a bacteria rollin up outta the sea 50 zillion years ago.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2012 at 09:52 PM
I was talking more about how marriage was more about property rights and heirs....a business deal between a couple of men with the woman in the middle. When women married she became a man's property....might be good for a man, but not such a great deal for the woman.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2012 at 09:57 PM
Luke.

I thought you had calmed down a bit and quit worrying about how other people lived their lives.

You'd sleep better if you did.

Really.

(Did you know glen beck has been banging el rushbo's backside for 10 years now?)

Heh heh.

 

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  posted on 5/15/2012 at 01:02 AM
Am I really the only person on this thread who has known people involved in polyamorous or polygamous marriages? You people need to get out more It's a big world out there...

I knew a "couple" that consisted of 2 men and 3 women, and it didn't bother me in the least. There are a LOT more people living in alternative relationships that some of you reallize.

Oh, and for what it's worth, none of those people ever expressed any desire to marry a horse

As long as it doesn't effect you--and regardless of some of the ridiculous arguments in this thread, it doesn't--what other people do with their personal lives is their own damn business.

 
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  posted on 5/15/2012 at 09:34 AM
A lot more important issues and problems facing this country right now than a law passing to permit gay marriage.The circus has come to town and ain't leavin.Every time ya turn the idiot box on,its gay marriage this,Obama said this about gay marriage,he made his decision from what one of his kids said,the latest poll says this,blah blah blah.Folks the world is comin apart at the seams globally.And the first and front topic here and now is gay marriage.Yeah sure looks like we've been and are being good stewards of the garden.Sad day man!
Better focus on those 30,000 drones in the country by 2020.Complete with thermal imaging to even see whats goin on inside your home.Oh yeah!But don't worry right?If your not doin anything wrong,ya ain't gotta thing to worry about.
JUST GET THAT DAMM GAY MARRIAGE LEGALIZED WOULD YA!That'll solve most of our problems in one sweep of Baracks magical pen.

 

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  posted on 5/15/2012 at 09:44 AM
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Luke.

I thought you had calmed down a bit and quit worrying about how other people lived their lives.

You'd sleep better if you did.

Really.

(Did you know glen beck has been banging el rushbo's backside for 10 years now?)

Heh heh.




Doin a lot better man.Dander still gets ruffled though when seein and hearin such golden altar discussion at the fore front on a topic like this.Lot more bones in the soup to be concerned about chokin on than this one.

 

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  posted on 5/15/2012 at 01:06 PM
RI, the only state in the union granting same sex marriage rights via executive order.

ya gotta love it.

from a guy who won a three-way election with roughly a third of the vote and against the wishes of the legislature.

 

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  posted on 5/15/2012 at 02:01 PM
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RI, the only state in the union granting same sex marriage rights via executive order.

ya gotta love it.

from a guy who won a three-way election with roughly a third of the vote and against the wishes of the legislature.


You said 'three way.' (insert Beavis and Butthead laughter here)

 

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  posted on 5/16/2012 at 09:26 AM
actually, he ran against Beavis and Butthead...

(and garnered 34 per cent of the vote.)

 

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  posted on 5/16/2012 at 12:33 PM
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Am I really the only person on this thread who has known people involved in polyamorous or polygamous marriages? You people need to get out more It's a big world out there...

I knew a "couple" that consisted of 2 men and 3 women, and it didn't bother me in the least. There are a LOT more people living in alternative relationships that some of you reallize.

Oh, and for what it's worth, none of those people ever expressed any desire to marry a horse

As long as it doesn't effect you--and regardless of some of the ridiculous arguments in this thread, it doesn't--what other people do with their personal lives is their own damn business.


They don't expect the state to recognize their relationship as a legally valid marriage do they?

 

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  posted on 5/16/2012 at 12:45 PM
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Interestingly, Iowa, not exactly a "Liberal Bastion," now has a law allowing same-sex couples to marry.


That's because Kitty lives there.
And we all know she's cool AND hip.


Thank you, darlin', but I'm pretty sure I don't have any influence over the legislature or courts in Iowa. However, I support the law and the freedom it sponsors.

 

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  posted on 5/16/2012 at 11:49 PM
Doug, the folks I knew didn't particularly care if the government recognized their relationship. They weren't petitioning to make polyamory legal or anything like that.

I was just using an extreme example to make a point. I know, nobody ever does that on the Internet, but call me a maverick, a rogue if you will

However, to me it's all a contract, and any number of consenting adults should be able to enter into any kind of contract they want to with each other. I don't see any reason otherwise.

Again, I don't believe in child brides or forced marriage, but if it was up to me, plural marriage would be legal. As long as all parties consent, I don't see any harm in it.

 
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  posted on 5/17/2012 at 12:51 PM
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Doug, the folks I knew didn't particularly care if the government recognized their relationship. They weren't petitioning to make polyamory legal or anything like that.

I was just using an extreme example to make a point. I know, nobody ever does that on the Internet, but call me a maverick, a rogue if you will

However, to me it's all a contract, and any number of consenting adults should be able to enter into any kind of contract they want to with each other. I don't see any reason otherwise.

Again, I don't believe in child brides or forced marriage, but if it was up to me, plural marriage would be legal. As long as all parties consent, I don't see any harm in it.


Fair enough. That has never been the law in the United States or anywhere else in the Western world where the state licenses and recognizes marriage.

 

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  posted on 5/17/2012 at 11:23 PM
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Doug, the folks I knew didn't particularly care if the government recognized their relationship. They weren't petitioning to make polyamory legal or anything like that.

I was just using an extreme example to make a point. I know, nobody ever does that on the Internet, but call me a maverick, a rogue if you will

However, to me it's all a contract, and any number of consenting adults should be able to enter into any kind of contract they want to with each other. I don't see any reason otherwise.

Again, I don't believe in child brides or forced marriage, but if it was up to me, plural marriage would be legal. As long as all parties consent, I don't see any harm in it.


Agreed. Well said.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2012 at 11:52 PM
The only issue this year for the election should be the economy. Most else can wait right now, seriously, it has too. I for this issue, am not as concerned about the same sex marriage as I am about the same sex divorce. Under current marriage laws in most states, divorce law pretty cut and dry for hetero nuptials. I feel the same sex divorce will be not so cut and dry and the way to legally handle should be on the books so all of us are treated as equitably as possible.
 

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  posted on 5/19/2012 at 12:59 AM
In November of 2008, Californians voted in by a 600,000 vote majority, Prop. 8 which basically Eliminated the Rights of Same-Sex Couples to Marry. Me?...I do not care, whatever makes people happy. There are much bigger issues to me...

If anything bothers me about this topic, It is that the Vote of the people of California, was overturned. Throngs cheered at what was deemed to be "Right".... even though the vote of the people... never mind.

What will be interesting is if The same Supreme Court rules in favor of AZ's SB 1070. We'll see what the "throngs" do and say then.

 

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In November of 2008, Californians voted in by a 600,000 vote majority, Prop. 8 which basically Eliminated the Rights of Same-Sex Couples to Marry. Me?...I do not care, whatever makes people happy. There are much bigger issues to me...

If anything bothers me about this topic, It is that the Vote of the people of California, was overturned. Throngs cheered at what was deemed to be "Right".... even though the vote of the people... never mind.

What will be interesting is if The same Supreme Court rules in favor of AZ's SB 1070. We'll see what the "throngs" do and say then.


So, if the people of California voted that black people shouldn't be allowed to get married, the law should stand because the majority of the people voted for it?

 

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  posted on 5/21/2012 at 01:54 AM
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In November of 2008, Californians voted in by a 600,000 vote majority, Prop. 8 which basically Eliminated the Rights of Same-Sex Couples to Marry. Me?...I do not care, whatever makes people happy. There are much bigger issues to me...

If anything bothers me about this topic, It is that the Vote of the people of California, was overturned. Throngs cheered at what was deemed to be "Right".... even though the vote of the people... never mind.

What will be interesting is if The same Supreme Court rules in favor of AZ's SB 1070. We'll see what the "throngs" do and say then.


There is a reason for the electoral college, etc. Elected officials should be in office to make educated judgements of behalf of the citizens of their respected districts, states, etc. They are not their to cast votes in line with the majority opinion. Unfortunately, the majority is often undereducated on most topics to be weighed. This is why we shouldn't be afraid to elect officials with critical thinking skills, analytical abilities,and some education in the humanities. Clearly, it serves our nation to ultimately hold these officials accountable to those same constituents. But the buffer is appropriate, so that some degree of objectivity can play a role rather than knee jerk reactions and emotions. However, where this really breaks down is that we too often get the monied interests swaying votes and elections, thus compromising our happy medium. Citizens should elect people directly with the playing field level for candidates. After the election, candidates should make educated determinations with respect to law and policy without the tug and persuasion of special interests or the threat of referendums set up to override their judgement. If the people don't agree, they will have an opportunity to voice that in the next election.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2012 at 11:31 PM
"That has never been the law in the United States or anywhere else in the Western world where the state licenses and recognizes marriage."

True enough Doug, but to me this is where I say "Will the real Libertarians please stand up?"

I hear a lot of conservatives talk about getting government out of our lives, but there are certain lines they are unwilling to cross, usually because of religious or cultural beliefs.

For a left-leaning perspective on Libertarianism, as opposed to the more right-wing flavor that is currently in vogue among many conservatives, I highly recommend the writings of Robert Anton Wilson.

 
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  posted on 5/25/2012 at 02:10 PM
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"That has never been the law in the United States or anywhere else in the Western world where the state licenses and recognizes marriage."

True enough Doug, but to me this is where I say "Will the real Libertarians please stand up?"

I hear a lot of conservatives talk about getting government out of our lives, but there are certain lines they are unwilling to cross, usually because of religious or cultural beliefs.

For a left-leaning perspective on Libertarianism, as opposed to the more right-wing flavor that is currently in vogue among many conservatives, I highly recommend the writings of Robert Anton Wilson.


I'm not a libertarian and I am also not opposed to gay marriage. But I recognize that it is a complex issue and that neither side has a monopoly on either truth or righteousness.

 

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  posted on 5/25/2012 at 09:43 PM
I wasn't necessarily saying you were, Doug, just voicing my frustration with conservatives who claim to be libertarians, but don't seem to actually believe in giving people freedom to make their own decisions.
 
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