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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 02:39 PM
Over the past 10 years or so, I've been constantly down-sizing, getting rid of every thing I don't either love, or need. One thing I had was an old family bible that was literally falling apart. I "inherited" it, as the family historian. i had it for many years in a box, with intention to get it restored someday. When I started downsizing, I asked my sister back in GA if she wanted the Bible. She did, and I boxed it up and sent it to her.

I can't explain the feeling of having a weight lifted off of me when that Bible left my house. It was literally as if some had opened all the windows and the sun came out and a fresh, cool breeze was blowing through the house. For whatever reason, that old, musty, crumbling family Bible had a very strong energy attached to it.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 02:42 PM
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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.



Proof that it works. You just had to bring attention to yourself, eh, JCPTC?? I knew you would expose yourself without me saying a word. It is kind of like the music of Philip Glass in a way, where the brains of those on the other end of it are left to fill in the spaces with their own perceptions and vanities. All of the words in the post above show up without me saying a word? And I knew it would come, using the force of the empty space.


Still flushed with work, brain used to capacity, Ann, it is still coming.


Flushed with work, but you still found the time to read the thread and insult someone. After all that bragging about doing 50 things at once?

I do believe the part about your used to capacity. That capacity, however, is quite small.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 02:45 PM
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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.



Proof that it works. You just had to bring attention to yourself, eh, JCPTC?? I knew you would expose yourself without me saying a word. It is kind of like the music of Philip Glass in a way, where the brains of those on the other end of it are left to fill in the spaces with their own perceptions and vanities. All of the words in the post above show up without me saying a word? And I knew it would come, using the force of the empty space.


Still flushed with work, brain used to capacity, Ann, it is still coming.


You just proved me right, didn't you, Fletch?

I started to add in my post that now Derek had the option of either proving me right, by doing what he just did, or proving me wrong, and actually coming in and addressing the people here in a respectful way. I actually typed it, and then deleted it, to just let him make his choice without any interference from me. I thought it would be a hard decision for him. Apparently it wasn't.

He made his choice, which was the one I expected him to make and predicted he would. This is the last time I'll address him in this forum, as I'm sure he has no intention of having an intelligent, respectful discussion, but only wants to do what he does. I wont' be a part of it in this thread.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 02:46 PM
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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.

actually this is a good example. let him. you have a choice to make with how you deal with him. hes already effected you and hasnt even shown up.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 02:53 PM
ok now....im going to watch

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 02:54 PM
I'll make some popcorn.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 02:59 PM
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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.

actually this is a good example. let him. you have a choice to make with how you deal with him. hes already effected you and hasnt even shown up.


He's only "effected" me by doing it in dozens of other threads through the years. bigann mentioned Fletch not being here, and I responded.

It actually seems like all I had to do was post, and he did exactly what I predicted he would do. Stopped whatever "deadline" thing he was doing, and rushed over to this thread. I wonder who is "effecting" who.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 03:07 PM
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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.

actually this is a good example. let him. you have a choice to make with how you deal with him. hes already effected you and hasnt even shown up.


He's only "effected" me by doing it in dozens of other threads through the years. bigann mentioned Fletch not being here, and I responded.

It actually seems like all I had to do was post, and he did exactly what I predicted he would do. Stopped whatever "deadline" thing he was doing, and rushed over to this thread. I wonder who is "effecting" who.
seems mutual

 

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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.

actually this is a good example. let him. you have a choice to make with how you deal with him. hes already effected you and hasnt even shown up.


He's only "effected" me by doing it in dozens of other threads through the years. bigann mentioned Fletch not being here, and I responded.

It actually seems like all I had to do was post, and he did exactly what I predicted he would do. Stopped whatever "deadline" thing he was doing, and rushed over to this thread. I wonder who is "effecting" who.
seems mutual


You're welcome to your opinion.

How does you deciding to be my judge fit in with all this?

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 03:22 PM
i dont think im judging. seems like you guys dont like each other very much. sorry if i struck a nerve. we were discussing about ineracting. i will watch how i come across...

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 03:24 PM
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He's only "effected" me by doing it in dozens of other threads through the years. bigann mentioned Fletch not being here, and I responded.

It actually seems like all I had to do was post, and he did exactly what I predicted he would do. Stopped whatever "deadline" thing he was doing, and rushed over to this thread. I wonder who is "effecting" who.





This thread speaks for itself. You showed yourself. Period. Over the years you have put down those that believe differently as you do, and even done so from the point of view as considering yourself 'enlightened.' You bring in the New Age jargon to put down those that follow the Bible, and have done it blatantly and have developed a think skin about being called on it.

But, the fact that I am an anti-jargonite is irrelevant right now. This thread is self-explanatory, and your reaction to my not saying a word speaks volumes. So, I'll leave it there.

As for thoughts on the Noetic sciences, still to come.

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 03:29 PM
We don't like each other at all. One of the reasons you don't see many threads like this in the forum is because of Fletch. Find a thread entitled "Conversations with God" in the archives, and you'll see what I mean. As i already said, I'm not going to get into it with him here. That's exactly what he is hoping for. I didn't start this thread. bigann did. She has been speculating on why Fletch hasn't shown up and i offered an opinion. Which proved to be right.

We all have an effect on everyone we encounter. Every interaction has an effect on us. You're right about that. But the idea that someone who has shown such little honesty and integrity as Fletch has can have some kind of trans-continental power over someone who has a very strong personal power of their own is silly, and isn't part of this discussion.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 03:31 PM
Bump ^!^!^!

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 03:34 PM
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This thread speaks for itself. You showed yourself. Period. Over the years you have put down those that believe differently as you do, and even done so from the point of view as considering yourself 'enlightened.' You bring in the New Age jargon to put down those that follow the Bible, and have done it blatantly and have developed a think skin about being called on it.


Youre such a sorry ass hypocrite considering your views on 'non believers'

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But, the fact that I am an anti-jargonite is irrelevant right now. This thread is self-explanatory, and your reaction to my not saying a word speaks volumes. So, I'll leave it there.

As for thoughts on the Noetic sciences, still to come.

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 03:35 PM
i think i will take 2 more adderall and a couple shots of tequila to go with that popcorn.

 

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I'm wondering how much longer it's going to take DfC to find enough material to cut and paste to throw in here. Seems to me if one has time to come in and insult another person....twice....there's time to comment on the subject matter at hand.

Let's talk about crystal bowls and tuning forks. I work with both of them. I have four large singing crystal bowls, the white kind specifically for healing, and I love them. My largest is about 18" across and it's tuned to F, the heart chakra. I've got a C, B and D also but really only one will work. As you tone the bowls, all of the notes are reaches as the volume ebbs and flows.

I also have a large number of tuning forks that correspond to the various chakras and organs in the body. My favorite is a 32 hz. that's the 'bone' healing fork. I guess I'm drawn to the lower frequencies for some reason. When using them, I hold them over the person on the table and also hold them on spefic areas to bring the body back into alighment.

When you think of Gregorian chanting and the yoga intonations, you get a sense of how you can use your own voice to create healing vibrations.

Still waiting......where's my popcorn?


 

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so the charge is that dfc is a bully and disrupts this kind of discussion? so this going to go bible thumper vs new age hypocrits? more popcorn please.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 04:03 PM
I aske DfC what he knew about noetics as he began throwing the word around shortly after the Dan Brown book came out with noetics as a major part of the story line. He's been telling me he'd discuss it with me for two days now, however you see the kind of response we're getting.

This isn't about new age vs Bible. It's about scientifically proven information and its application to the human body and mind. Granted, it's a relatively new field, however it's all ancient information. The oldest use of tuning forks and singing bowls were in ancient Egypt. In fact, one of the theories, and it's only a theory, is that the pyramid blocks were moved along vibrations from giant tuning forks.

 

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That's why "New Age" is such a misnomer. I don't know where the term comes from. Everyone who meditates, or practicing healing arts, or does any of the things considered to be New Age know they are delving into something that is as old as mankind. The only thing "New Age" about it is that people who had been raised to think the Bible is the word of God sought out and discovered that there are other ways to view and approach the Divine, and there always has been.

 

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That's why "New Age" is such a misnomer. I don't know where the term comes from. Everyone who meditates, or practicing healing arts, or does any of the things considered to be New Age know they are delving into something that is as old as mankind. The only thing "New Age" about it is that people who had been raised to think the Bible is the word of God sought out and discovered that there are other ways to view and approach the Divine, and there always has been.


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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 04:21 PM
yes this is not new stuff. i study aikido. the things that you have mentioned are very similar in the core philosolphy. personally im not a big fan of new age type stuff but i do like to learn about stuff and try to keep an open mind. i dont mean to come across any particular way ...for or against...but the kind of things posted here should be able to be applied in real life and even on a message board.

 

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That's where noetics kicks in. It's the study of how collective energies can make things happen. As I said before group prayer is an excellent example. And the threads in the forums asking for healing vibes, prayers and good energy is another example of collective thoughts can help a situation.

Granted, in the grand scheme of our life plan, not all prayers are able to heal the sick, however, they can ease discomfort and sooth the soul so that the experience is lightened.

It doesn't matter what people call the energy...prayer, intention, manifestation, new age, etc., it still a coming together for a single purpose and it goes on in here all the time.

 

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Knowing it and putting it into practice are two different things, and part of the learning process. Just when you think you have it nailed, life throws a Fletch Halsey in your path.

 

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That's why "New Age" is such a misnomer. I don't know where the term comes from. Everyone who meditates, or practicing healing arts, or does any of the things considered to be New Age know they are delving into something that is as old as mankind. The only thing "New Age" about it is that people who had been raised to think the Bible is the word of God sought out and discovered that there are other ways to view and approach the Divine, and there always has been.
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Well stated.


No, not well stated. Are there other ways to view and approach the "Divine" than the Bible? Yes. Does the Bible get into it and have it right in a lot of the same ways? Yes, only the way it is taught is different. There is an unfortunate propensity for some of the New Age crowd to rip off every ancient belief known to man. The "Converations with God" man Neale Donald Walsch was mentioned above. Some how he has direct conversations with the Creator of the Universe yet turns around and rips off a Christmas story and falsely claims it as his own and says of the plagiarism, “I am chagrined and astonished that my mind could play such a trick on me.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/books/07book.html) And yet he is right and the Bible is wrong?

The recent case of the idiot behind The Secret is but one example. Repackiging old belief systems and charging folks to learn about it, this ripoff artist has taken it to the point of three people dying last week. More about this 'enlightened' New Age 'leader' is coming out in recent days;

The day after the deadly sweat lodge gathering, the remaining participants awoke to find a note on the table from a Ray staffer, "saying James was in prayer and meditation." That, Bunn said, was the last she heard from the man so many trusted with their lives and spiritual awakening. "We trusted him," Bunn said. "We trusted in what he was teaching us."

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'Sweat Lodge' Survivor Says James Arthur Ray Abandoned Participants

Beverly Bunn Said Ray Left After Deaths and 'Never Came Back'

By SARAH NETTER and KATE McCARTHY
Oct. 23, 2009—


One of the survivors of the Arizona sweat lodge disaster said that as participants lay dying and injured, leader James Arthur Ray simply left the scene.

"James Ray pretty much abandoned all of us. He left us there to figure out what was going on," orthodontist Beverly Bunn told "Good Morning America" today. "After the incident he never came back."

Bunn's roommate at the Sedona spiritual retreat was Kirby Brown, one of the three people who died after being crammed into a makeshift tent and subjected to 120-degree heat that was supposed to cleanse their bodies.

Bunn, trained in CPR as part of her medical credentials, said she repeatedly tried to perform the life-saving measures on her friend, but was continuously rebuffed by Ray's employees known as the "Dream Team."

"I told them about 10 times, 'I know CPR, I know CPR,'" she said. "They kept pulling me away and pulling me away."

Detectives are now investigating the deaths as a possible homicide, though no charges have been filed.

In addition to Brown, James Shore, 40, and Liz Neuman, 49, died after enduring the sweat lodge. Neuman spent more than a week in a coma and died Oct. 17. Eighteen others were injured.

Another survivor, Sidney Spencer, 59, is now suing Ray, saying she nearly died from kidney and liver failure.

"Mr. Ray created a death trap," Spencer's attorney, Ted Schmidt, told "GMA" today. "And created a heat environment in that sweat lodge that was intolerable for human beings."

The two women were among dozens who paid $9,000 for the five-day retreat with Ray, a motivational speaker.

Bunn said Ray, who sat near the only opening of the tent, allowing fresh air in only to accept more heated rocks, didn't seem overly concerned when people became ill, some of them vomiting.

"That was actually considered your body actually purging it's toxins," Bunn said. "I guess he felt that was a good thing."

The day after the deadly sweat lodge gathering, the remaining participants awoke to find a note on the table from a Ray staffer, "saying James was in prayer and meditation."

That, Bunn said, was the last she heard from the man so many trusted with their lives and spiritual awakening.

"We trusted him," Bunn said. "We trusted in what he was teaching us."

Investigators Probing 'Sweat Lodge' Deaths

Ray, a frequent guest on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" who helped write the best-selling documentary and book, "The Secret," has refused all interview requests, but in a message on his Web site he told followers that he felt their pain, and that while he was also investigating what went wrong, he is determined to continue with his self-help ministry.

Other participants inside have said they were screaming "We need water," vomiting and fighting to stay alive.

Brown, a surfer and hiker, was in excellent health, according to her family.

"She was the picture of perfect health," Tom McFeeley, Brown's cousin, told "Good Morning America" Oct. 12. "Nobody could keep up with her physically or in any other way. She was just that type of person."

Brown had been to other retreats hosted by Ray, even bringing her parents, but none of them required a physical component to his teachings, McFeeley said.

"We have not heard from Mr. Ray or anyone in his organization," McFeeley said. "It does surprise us, based on the type of man we thought he was."

But McFeeley was quick to point out that the Brown family does not have any ill-will toward Ray, saying it's dangerous to make assumptions when they still have so many unanswered questions.

"For us to even have anger or any such emotion is pointless at this point," he said. "There will be plenty of time to react to the truth."





There are many belief systems and spiritual paths to follow, learn about, have an open mind about and utilize. But we wary of the New Agers who view themselves as 'enlightened,' who put other belief systems down to further their own, who put down others who believe differently and who bring out the atypical New Age jargon as if they know things you are unable to comprehend, and of course, those like Neale Donald Walsch and James Ray of The Secret and others who want your money.

Here is the Native American response to the James Ray's of the world;

" I would like to clarify that this lodge, and many others, are not our ceremonial way of life because of the way they are being conducted."

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Concerning the deaths in Sedona
By Arvol Looking Horse

Story Published: Oct 16, 2009



As Keeper of our Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe Bundle, I am concerned for the two deaths and illnesses of the many people who participated in a sweat lodge in Sedona, Ariz. that brought our sacred rite under fire in the news. I would like to clarify that this lodge, and many others, are not our ceremonial way of life because of the way they are being conducted. My prayers go out to the families and loved ones for their loss.

Our ceremonies are about life and healing. From the time this ancient ceremonial rite was given to our people, never has death been a part of our inikaga (life within) when conducted properly. Today, the rite is interpreted as a sweat lodge. It is much more than that. The term does not fit our real meaning of purification.

Inikaga is the oldest ceremony brought to us by Wakan Tanka (Great Spirit). Nineteen generations ago, the Lakota/Dakota/Nakota oyate (people) were given seven sacred rites of healing by a Spirit Woman, Pte San Win (White Buffalo Calf Woman). She brought these rites along with the sacred Canupa (pipe) to our people, when our ancestors were suffering from a difficult time. It was also brought for the future to help us for much more difficult times to come. They were brought to help us stay connected to who we are as a traditional cultural people.

The values of conduct are very strict in any of these ceremonies, because we work with spirit. The Creator, Wakan Tanka, told us that if we stay humble and sincere, we will keep that connection with the inyan oyate (the stone people), who we call the Grandfathers, to be able to heal ourselves and loved ones. We have a gift of prayer and healing and have to stay humble with our Unci Maka (Grandmother Earth) and with one another. The inikaga is used in all of the seven sacred rites to prepare and finish the ceremonies, along with the sacred eagle feather. The feather represents the sacred knowledge of our ancestors.

Our First Nations people have to earn the right to pour the mini wiconi (water of life) upon the inyan oyate in creating Inikaga by going on the vision quest for four years and four years to Sundance. Then you are put through a ceremony to be painted, to recognize that you have now earned the right to take care of someone’s life through purification. They should also be able to understand our sacred language, to be able to understand the messages from the Grandfathers, because they are ancient, they are our spirit ancestors. They walk and teach the values of our culture in being humble, wise, caring and compassionate.

What has happened in the news with the makeshift sauna called the “sweat lodge” is not our ceremonial way of life.

When you do ceremony, you can not have money on your mind. We deal with the pure sincere energy to create healing that comes from everyone in that circle of ceremony. The heart and mind must be connected. When you involve money, it changes the energy of healing. The person wants to get what they paid for. The Spirit Grandfathers will not be there. Our way of life is now being exploited. You do more damage than good. No mention of monetary energy should exist in healing, not even with a can of love donations. When that energy exists, they will not even come. Only after the ceremony, between the person that is being healed and the intercessor who has helped connect with the Great Spirit, can the energy of money be given out of appreciation. That exchange of energy is from the heart; it is private and does not involve the Grandfathers. Whatever gift of appreciation the person who received help can now give is acceptable. They can give the intercessor whatever they feel their healing is worth.

In our prophecy, the White Buffalo Calf Woman told us she would return and stand upon the earth when we are having a hard time. In 1994, this began to happen with the birth of the white buffalo. Not only their nation, but many animal nations began to show their sacred color, which is white. She predicted that at this time there would be many changes upon Grandmother Earth. There would be things that we never experienced or heard of before: Climate changes, earth changes, diseases, disrespect for life and they would be shocking. There would also be many false prophets.

My Grandmother who passed the bundle to me said I would be the last Keeper if the oyate do not straighten up. The assaults upon Grandmother Earth are horrendous, the assaults toward one another was not in our culture, the assaults against our people have been termed as genocide, and now we are experiencing spiritual genocide.

Because of the problems that began to arise with our rebirth and being able to do our ceremonies in the open since the Freedom of Religion Act of 1978, our elders began talking to me about the abuses they have seen in our ceremonial way of life, which was once very strict.

It is forbidden to film or photograph any of our ceremonies.

After many years of witnessing their warnings, we held a meeting to address the lack of protocol in our ceremonies. After reaching an agreement to address the misconduct of our ceremonies and to remind of the proper protocols, a statement was made in March 2003. Every effort was made to ensure our way of life of who we are as traditional cultural people, because these ways are for our future and all life upon Grandmother Earth (Mitakuye Oyasin, all my relations), so that they may have good health. Because these atrocities are being mocked and practiced all over the world, we even made a film called “Spirits for Sale.”

The non-Native people have a right to seek help from our First Nation intercessors for good health and well-being. It is up to that intercessor. That is a privilege for all people that we gift for being able to have good health and understand that their protocol is to have respect and appreciate what we have to share. The First Nations intercessor has to earn that right to our ceremonial way of life in the ways I have explained.

At this time, I would like to ask all nations upon Grandmother Earth to please respect our sacred ceremonial way of life and stop the exploitation of our Tunka Oyate (Spiritual Grandfathers).

In a Sacred Hoop of Life, where there is no ending and no beginning, namahu yo (hear my words).

Chief Arvol Looking Horse is the 19th generation Keeper of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe Bundle.



 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 05:32 PM
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There are many belief systems and spiritual paths to follow, learn about, have an open mind about and utilize. But we wary of the Helical Fletches who view themselves as 'enlightened,' who put other belief systems down to further their own, who put down others who believe differently.


Amen.

 

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