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"Disrespect" in quite a few States might be ...harsh, meaning you would have a decision to make. "Is it worth the risk" ? "Am I willing to pay the price if apprehended"?


And if that person says that it is worth the risk and the penalty, then it's not disrespectful to the law? That the term "disrespectful" is too harsh to describe that person? Do I have that correct?


"Disrespect for the Law". It is about personal responsibility. Every action in life has a consequence, we all have the power of choice.

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This is not an immigration issue. This is a criminal DUI tragedy, nothing more


I would argue that this is exactly what it is. One choice led to another, he chose to enter the USA Illegally, chose to drive under the influence and then left the scene of the crime.

If he had not entered Illegally, would not Mr. Edwin Jackson, still be alive?


Well to me, "Laws" are of limited value, and I pay only casual attention to them and I have tried to instill some of this self reflection in my kids.Just wonder how many serial killers, have decided not to do it because it was against the law, how many would be muggers decided not to smash someone over the head because it's against the law? How many pimps have been dissuaded from their activities because they are against the law? My guess not many. To me, one needs to have a damn solid understanding of what is right and wrong, embedded in their Hearts and Souls, for one to sit back and rely on some person, most likely no more moral than ones self, to tell You right from wrong, is riduculous. I have certainly not always done right thing and have done somethings I wish I would have done differently, however, at the time I was doing them I was well aware they were wrong, but I chose to do them anyway. No "law" was going to change my mind. The most important "Laws" to me are in the Soul? I've never been arrested or spent a night in jail. Tough for me to buy into what some morally bankrupt, powerful person is telling me I should be doing, i.e. the Trump family, Sessions, Pence, Nunes etc, etc............Peace........joe

 

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  posted on 2/10/2018 at 12:24 PM
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"Disrespect" in quite a few States might be ...harsh, meaning you would have a decision to make. "Is it worth the risk" ? "Am I willing to pay the price if apprehended"?


And if that person says that it is worth the risk and the penalty, then it's not disrespectful to the law? That the term "disrespectful" is too harsh to describe that person? Do I have that correct?


"Disrespect for the Law". It is about personal responsibility. Every action in life has a consequence, we all have the power of choice.

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This is not an immigration issue. This is a criminal DUI tragedy, nothing more


I would argue that this is exactly what it is. One choice led to another, he chose to enter the USA Illegally, chose to drive under the influence and then left the scene of the crime.

If he had not entered Illegally, would not Mr. Edwin Jackson, still be alive?



Thanks to Obama's disregard for the law, Edwin Jackson is dead like so many other American Citizens killed by repeatedly deported criminal illegal aliens.



 

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"Disrespect" in quite a few States might be ...harsh, meaning you would have a decision to make. "Is it worth the risk" ? "Am I willing to pay the price if apprehended"?


And if that person says that it is worth the risk and the penalty, then it's not disrespectful to the law? That the term "disrespectful" is too harsh to describe that person? Do I have that correct?


"Disrespect for the Law". It is about personal responsibility. Every action in life has a consequence, we all have the power of choice.

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This is not an immigration issue. This is a criminal DUI tragedy, nothing more


I would argue that this is exactly what it is. One choice led to another, he chose to enter the USA Illegally, chose to drive under the influence and then left the scene of the crime.

If he had not entered Illegally, would not Mr. Edwin Jackson, still be alive?



Thanks to Obama's disregard for the law, Edwin Jackson is dead like so many other American Citizens killed by repeatedly deported criminal illegal aliens.





As i said above, i am not overly impressed by or obsessed with "laws", just wondering how many folks are killed each year by drunken off duty cops on the road, how many innocent men and women have been beat to death or half to death in bars by drunken off duty cops? Growing up in Chicago and now living nearby, I am aware of a good amount of this behaviour, I would guess while definitely not huge, the number would be fairly significant? .........Peace.......joe

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  posted on 2/10/2018 at 12:37 PM
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"Disrespect for the Law". It is about personal responsibility. Every action in life has a consequence, we all have the power of choice.


As in your choice to evade the question of whether you find it disrespectful to American law if someone were to smoke a joint at a concert.

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I would argue that this is exactly what it is. One choice led to another, he chose to enter the USA Illegally, chose to drive under the influence and then left the scene of the crime.


Yes. Point? Both individuals, the illegal and the pot smoker, both made their choices. Correct.

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If he had not entered Illegally, would not Mr. Edwin Jackson, still be alive?


A legal expert BIGV is not, lol. Thank god for judges.







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"Disrespect" in quite a few States might be ...harsh, meaning you would have a decision to make. "Is it worth the risk" ? "Am I willing to pay the price if apprehended"?


And if that person says that it is worth the risk and the penalty, then it's not disrespectful to the law? That the term "disrespectful" is too harsh to describe that person? Do I have that correct?


"Disrespect for the Law". It is about personal responsibility. Every action in life has a consequence, we all have the power of choice.

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This is not an immigration issue. This is a criminal DUI tragedy, nothing more


I would argue that this is exactly what it is. One choice led to another, he chose to enter the USA Illegally, chose to drive under the influence and then left the scene of the crime.

If he had not entered Illegally, would not Mr. Edwin Jackson, still be alive?



Thanks to Obama's disregard for the law, Edwin Jackson is dead like so many other American Citizens killed by repeatedly deported criminal illegal aliens.





As i said above, i am not overly impressed by or obsessed with "laws", just wondering how many folks are killed each year by drunken off duty cops on the road, how many innocent men and women have been beat to death or half to death in bars by drunken off duty cops? Growing up in Chicago and now living nearby, I am aware of a good amount of this behaviour, I would guess while definitely not huge, the number would be fairly significant? .........Peace.......joe

[Edited on 2/10/2018 by crazyjoe]



Okay junior, post the number and a legitimate source for your dodge.

Put up or shut up.


 

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https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/595kv3/police-crime-database

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/true-crime /wp/2016/06/22/study-finds-1100-police-officers-per-year-or-3-per-day-are-a rrested-nationwide/


https://massappeal.com/cops-crime-database-america/

There is a government file which can be downloaded which also details officers involved in the commission of crimes, couldn't figure out how to share it, there You go Mule, now You can get back to worshipping Your big orange buddha.........Peace........joe

 

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What is the statistic of Americans that kill other Americans everyday. 2 Police officers killed today by an American citizen....Shooting everyday...kids killing each other in school shooting and we're talking about 1 drunk driving incident. I wonder how many Americans died yesterday in drunk driving accidents caused by other Americans

I wish all the Trump/Tucker Carlson/ Sean Hannity crowd would just Grow the Phuck Up

 

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What is the statistic of Americans that kill other Americans everyday. 2 Police officers killed today by an American citizen....Shooting everyday...kids killing each other in school shooting and we're talking about 1 drunk driving incident. I wonder how many Americans died yesterday in drunk driving accidents caused by other Americans

I wish all the Trump/Tucker Carlson/ Sean Hannity crowd would just Grow the Phuck Up




Well, for me goldtop, Your point is well taken and even though I knew I was drifting into assanine, bickering territory, I didn't care since none of these threads are on topic anymore.
Look, You are correct here, i live right between Chicago and South Bend, throw in the Hoosier Hick factor and the industrial blighted areas like Gary. If You watch the local news or read a paper, or raise 4 kids as i did and You will see it all, all of what You mentioned and plenty more, serious things, a lot of it on personal and local level. Pretty silly to be bickering like a Ninny? Not to say I ain't gonna do it again!!! Besides, some of these other guys are much bigger Ninnies than I am.........Peace......joe

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Here's a story today out of Kentucky 5 killed...Americans killing Americans....where will we deport them to?? Oh how about we send them to Trumpistan....Oh yeah they all ready live there

Five people, including a suspect, are dead after a string of killings Saturday in northeast Kentucky, authorities said.

Deputies in Johnson County, Ky., found two bodies in a home, then in the search for the suspect, Joseph Nickell, two additional people were found dead. Deputies say Nickell committed suicide.

"This has been a horrific murder spree," said Johnson County Sheriff Dwayne Price. "There are no words to describe the heartbreak in seeing four lives taken due to the actions of one man. I have worked in law enforcement for 34 years. This is one of the most disturbing acts of violence I have ever seen."

Deputies got a call about 3:30 p.m. about a shooting in a rural home near the city of Paintsville, Ky. After responding, they found two people who had been shot and killed in the kitchen, according to the Johnson County Sheriff's Office.

More: Teen suspect remains in custody in New Year's Eve shooting; gag order issued

More: Prosecutor delays decision on whether to try 16-year-old accused in mass killing as adult

A witness identified the suspect as Nickell and gave a description of the car he fled in, deputies said.

Authorities throughout the area were on alert and cautioned that Nickell was armed and dangerous.

A 911 call about the car led deputies to a second home in Paintsville where they found two other people dead in an apartment. Nickell also was found dead as a result of suicide, Price said.

If you listen to FOX News/ Breibart/info wars/Rush limp-pud/tucker carlson/sean hannity or Little Donny Dictator
Grow the phuck up

 

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Here's a story today out of Kentucky 5 killed...Americans killing Americans....where will we deport them to??


Let's deport them to Prison, we can do that to citizens.

 

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Sadly, innocent citizens in our country can suffer terribly from those of all walks of life in our country.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/12/us/gun-background-check-backlog-military-dis honorable-discharge-invs/index.html

 

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Guns don't kill people, guitars kill people:


 

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The one thing this thread has completely ignored is that although there have been a few crimes committed by illegal aliens that have taken the lives of American citizens, there are more instances where illegal aliens have saved the lives of American citizens.


Immigrant Heroes Save American Lives

Jeff Jacoby††| March 08, 2017


LIZZIE BORDEN, who was unsuccessfully prosecuted in 1892 for the†axe murders†of her father and stepmother, had red hair. So did†Lynette Fromme, who spent 34 years in prison for attempting to assassinate President Gerald Ford. Vladimir Lenin, the Bolshevik revolutionary who became one of history's bloodiest mass murderers, was†also a redhead. Ditto the Wild West†gangster and bank robber, Jesse James.

As those examples demonstrate, people with red hair are prone to violence and should be suppressed. Right?

Of course not.

Only a blockhead would pronounce redheads a singular threat on the strength of a few cherry-picked instances of villains with red hair. Pretty much any population subgroup will contain†some†number of vicious thugs. You can find "bad hombres" ó†to coin a phrase†ó among tall people or French speakers or tea drinkers or Methodists. So what? A handful of offenders within a group doesn't mean the group as a whole is more likely to offend.

The same is true of undocumented immigrants.

That should be self-evident. Yet among immigration restrictionists and seal-the-border hardliners, it has become an article of faith that anyone who enters the country without a lawful visa is a "criminal alien" and a danger to public safety.

As a matter of straight fact, that belief is false. Decades of research confirm that immigrants to the United States are significantly†less†likely than native-born citizens to commit serious crimes or be in prison. It makes no difference whether immigrants enter the country with or without legal documents: Scores of peer-reviewed studies establish a negative correlation between immigration and crime. Just last week,†Governing magazine reported†that in the 20 US metro areas with the greatest presence of illegal immigrants, average rates of violent crime and property crime are 8 percent to 10 percent lower than the national average. During the 1990s and 2000s, as the number of illegal immigrants in the United States tripled to nearly 12 million,†crime rates nationwide plunged†more than 40 percent.

Donald Trump may be sincere when he insists that immigrants, especially unauthorized immigrants, are a threat to public safety. But he's wrong. Immigration doesn't increase crime, it reduces it.

Obviously there have been some brutal exceptions to the rule, and Trump has repeatedly made a point of highlighting Americans whose loved ones were killed by illegal immigrants.†Four such Americans†were in the visitors' gallery during Trump's Feb. 28 speech to Congress. He used their devastating stories to lend emotional support to his harsh immigration stance, and†announced†the creation of a new federal program ó Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement, or VOICE ó specifically to publicize crimes committed by migrants from other countries.

Singling out assaults committed by the foreign-born might be defensible if immigrants were predisposed to crime. But immigrants are unusually law-abiding. Harping on a few atypical examples amounts to raw demagoguery ó the scapegoating of a stigmatized group to incite fear and hatred.

Instead of beating the bushes for bad immigrants to demonize, federal officials should be drawing attention to immigrants who demonstrate extraordinary heroism.

Immigrants like William Ramirez, for example, a father of two from Colombia, who was on his way to his maintenance job at a boatyard when he witnessed a man trying to gun down a Miami police officer. Ramirez†drove his van into the line of fire, shielding the policeman from the shooter and pulling him to safety.

Immigrants like Diaz Chacon, an illegal Mexican immigrant in Albuquerque, who saw a young girl being abducted off the street, and unhesitatingly†raced after the kidnapper†to rescue the child.

Immigrants like Jesus Manuel Cordova, who saved the life of a 9-year-old boy stranded in the Arizona desert. The boy's mother had died in a crash, leaving him helpless ó until he was†discovered by Cordova, who had just entered the country illegally. Cordova stayed with the boy, keeping watch for hours until someone eventually found them and contacted the authorities.

Far from degrading America through crime and violence, immigrants enhance our nation's safety and security. There are a few shockingly bad apples, yes. Vastly more common are the heroes and hard workers who love this country and prove it daily. Diligent, peaceable, grateful, they enrich their communities in ways large and small, and, in so doing, continuously make America great again.


 

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  posted on 2/12/2018 at 04:53 PM
No one has a problem with immigrants.
We The People have a problem with illegal immigration.

No, the illegals are not the "backbone of America" and all the other crap the left spouses.

The illegals take from the working American people.




 

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Thatís right! Mule has a problem with illegals who disrespect our laws...whether itís an illegal immigrant crossing the border or criminals who use drugs at concerts. A criminal is a criminal, period! All you pot smokers who have the nerve to disrespect our flag by lighting up.....in public no less! Thank you to Mule for pointing out that itís the disrespect of law thatís the issue - not immigrants themselves. Are you paying taxes on that pot? Who has to pay for your jail time and court costs? Not to mention the burden you place on law enforcement. Incarcerate all illegal immigrants and illegal citizens!!!
 

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Illegals over Americans .it's your problem if you question the left on this reasoning.

 

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The one thing this thread has completely ignored is that although there have been a few crimes committed by illegal aliens that have taken the lives of American citizens, there are more instances where illegal aliens have saved the lives of American citizens.


That is a good counter-point about news worthy legal or illegal immigrants doing the right thing in certain situations they find themselves in. I'd be happy if more of those stories made the headlines.

I don't agree with the overall sentiment of the article though.

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Far from degrading America through crime and violence, immigrants enhance our nation's safety and security. There are a few shockingly bad apples, yes. Vastly more common are the heroes and hard workers who love this country and prove it daily. Diligent, peaceable, grateful, they enrich their communities in ways large and small, and, in so doing, continuously make America great again.


Immigrants are important for our country, obviously. They always have been and always will be. Note, I think it is important to differentiate legal immigrants from illegal immigrants. Surely there are heros and hard workers that love this country among legal immigrants,. But illegal immigrants do not belong here, and they take jobs they are not entitled too....roofing, drywall, not every job an illegal immigrant gets is a job an American doesn't want to do. Illegals take away resources that could otherwise go to citizens and legal status immigrants.

I do think there are some changes we could enact to make our legal immigration system better, both for those who want to come here to contribute and for our country and employers. I would rather put the negative focus on the battle vs illegal immigration because I don't want to unfairly lump people who follow the legal immigration system with those who choose to overstay their visa or enter illegally. They have no right to be here, we are under no obligation to let them stay here. They should be subject to detention and removal, every time. We should make it harder for these people to come and stay and live here.

As to illegals killing citizens, there may've been a 'few' that are nationally reported, but not every one makes national headlines. Some do, some don't. Here are a 'few' stories from just this past year, some you may know about, others you may not. Undoubtely if we opened up the range of say 10 years or whatever that 'few' unfortunate deaths of US citizens at the hands of illegals would balloon to 'several' dozen.

Cop killer -
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199426929.html

This one is a real beauty, Dreamer kills father of two who came to help a victim.
http://abc13.com/suspect-in-fatal-store-shooting-in-us-under-daca-program/3 060796/

Here is the murder of the girls high lighted in the State of the Union Speech. 13 MS13 members arrested, 10 are illegal, 2 have green cards and 1 is a citizen
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-ms-13-gang-members-arrested-in-slayings -of-ny-teen-girls/

Illegal Eustacio Gregorio-Meza fled after killing Florida man on motorcycle
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime--law/just-driver-with-license-held- following-fatal-motorcycle-crash/1vWwGf9RxsI2Ga9XqjtkoL/

Another Illegal, Victor Villanueva Rivera, also fled after striking and killing Florida man on motorcycle
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime--law/new-immigrant-feared-deportati on-didn-stop-following-fatal-wreck/zt6PNo0eCXdnxq8iqmul8O

Illegal charged with vehicular homicide
http://www.wtol.com/story/34998656/crash-leaves-three-dead-in-jerusalem-twp -one-week-after-different-deadly-crash

There are others. The immigration status is not always immediately known and it seems like alot of these stories don't receive attention.

I will say that alot of people on the right jump to conclusions and try to blow the number out of proportion. And then those on the left try to minimize it. I just say illegal immigrants should not be here and the crimes they are charged with should've never happened.


 

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Thatís right! Mule has a problem with illegals who disrespect our laws...whether itís an illegal immigrant crossing the border or criminals who use drugs at concerts. A criminal is a criminal, period! All you pot smokers who have the nerve to disrespect our flag by lighting up.....in public no less! Thank you to Mule for pointing out that itís the disrespect of law thatís the issue - not immigrants themselves. Are you paying taxes on that pot? Who has to pay for your jail time and court costs? Not to mention the burden you place on law enforcement. Incarcerate all illegal immigrants and illegal citizens!!!


Are you equating the smoking of marijuana by a citizen to evading the Border Patrol and entering the USA Illegally?

Pretty weak.

 

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Marijuana possession and illegal border crossing are both violations of US federal law.

Illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor under federal law, punishable by a fine, or up to 6 months, Overstaying a visa is a civil infraction, and handled by immigration court.

Possession of a Schedule 1 controlled substance like marijuana is also a misdemeanor on first offense under federal law, fine or up to a year, twice the penalty of illegal border entry. Repeat drug offenses carry even harsher penalties that would never be levied on repeated border crossing offenses.

Under US law, marijuana use is much worse than border crossing.

 

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Under US law, marijuana use is much worse than border crossing.


Anyone else see a problem here?

 

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Yes, BigV and good points BrerRabbit.

Can somebody answer why the Obama administration didn't reclassify marijuana when they had the chance?

At any rate, illegally entering our country or overstaying a visa should carry a stiffer penalty than being caught with a small amount of weed.

 

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Are you equating the smoking of marijuana by a citizen to evading the Border Patrol and entering the USA Illegally?

Pretty weak.


Equating? No. Just pointing out that both are disrespectful to the flag and to our law enforcement. Pretty weak? As soon as someone disagrees with you, you insult. Isnít that your mantra? Doesnít that make you a liberal? Oh well.







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Anyone else see a problem here?


Money talks the loudest. Iím assuming one is a larger financial burden than the other.

 

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Illegals over Americans .it's your problem if you question the left on this reasoning.


Boyton, having difficulty staying on topic diverts to a completely unrelated issue: weed. That is the Obama tactic of "but look at the shiny object over there" when he didn't want to answer a question.

Of course it was Obama that told ICE and the Border Patrol to stand down and allow the repeatedly deported criminal illegal aliens to come back on in and kill more Americans.




 

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Are you equating the smoking of marijuana by a citizen to evading the Border Patrol and entering the USA Illegally?

Pretty weak.


Equating? No. Just pointing out that both are disrespectful to the flag and to our law enforcement. Pretty weak? As soon as someone disagrees with you, you insult. Isnít that your mantra? Doesnít that make you a liberal? Oh well.


"Pretty weak" is an insult?

Hahahaha

 

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