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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 09:55 PM
Lovelead earlier stated that this is not a gun control issue. For us, it isn't, but believe me that there are those that will use this as a starting point to implement stricter "gun control" laws.
Yeah, like those are going to be followed by the criminals and those with mental disorders.

Let's review what laws he broke before he started shooting at the school:
He murdered his mother (felony)
He stole guns from her house (felony)
He took firearms onto school property, a "zero tolerance to firearms location" (misdemeanor)
He broke into the school buildings (misdemeanor)
So far, two felonies and two misdemeanors before he opened fire killing kids and adults.

It is time to do something about guns. Mandatory firearms training for all students Seventh grade and up, unless it goes against your religion. Teachers must be trained and armed in classrooms (Tasers actually).
School guards armed and each school should have at least a squad of four on duty at all times. and they should be watching any place that the campus can be entered. Full camera coverage of all doorways, hallways, campus entrances, and meeting areas. Automatic doors to lock down classrooms if an intruder is detected thus giving some protection to the students and delaying the intruder. Firedoors that drop down or close across a hallway would help isolate the intruder even further. Windows in the doors would need to be made of bullet resistant glass, and the doors need to have a thick steel inner core.
Each class should have an emergency exit going outside so the students can escape any danger from fire to crazed gunman.

Remember, THIS IS TO PROTECT THE KIDS. THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

Any other suggestions on how to make a school campus safer, feel free to add them.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 10:21 PM
I definitely like the idea of tasers in the school......but not for use on unruly kids...no adult should have to use a taser on a ten year old.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 11:09 PM
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I definitely like the idea of tasers in the school......but not for use on unruly kids...no adult should have to use a taser on a ten year old.


I didn't say it was for that, now did I?

 

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Lovelead earlier stated that this is not a gun control issue. For us, it isn't, but believe me that there are those that will use this as a starting point to implement stricter "gun control" laws.
Yeah, like those are going to be followed by the criminals and those with mental disorders.

Let's review what laws he broke before he started shooting at the school:
He murdered his mother (felony)
He stole guns from her house (felony)
He took firearms onto school property, a "zero tolerance to firearms location" (misdemeanor)
He broke into the school buildings (misdemeanor)
So far, two felonies and two misdemeanors before he opened fire killing kids and adults.

It is time to do something about guns. Mandatory firearms training for all students Seventh grade and up, unless it goes against your religion. Teachers must be trained and armed in classrooms (Tasers actually).
School guards armed and each school should have at least a squad of four on duty at all times. and they should be watching any place that the campus can be entered. Full camera coverage of all doorways, hallways, campus entrances, and meeting areas. Automatic doors to lock down classrooms if an intruder is detected thus giving some protection to the students and delaying the intruder. Firedoors that drop down or close across a hallway would help isolate the intruder even further. Windows in the doors would need to be made of bullet resistant glass, and the doors need to have a thick steel inner core.
Each class should have an emergency exit going outside so the students can escape any danger from fire to crazed gunman.

Remember, THIS IS TO PROTECT THE KIDS. THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

Any other suggestions on how to make a school campus safer, feel free to add them.
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Yeah that makes sense. Schools across the country are already crippled due to budget cuts now you want to arm all of the teachers and put "school marshalls" in every school.

Where are you from??? All seventh graders get to take gun training and carry a gun to school, Yeah that would be awesome.

 

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I definitely like the idea of tasers in the school......but not for use on unruly kids...no adult should have to use a taser on a ten year old.


I didn't say it was for that, now did I?


Not at all Jerry....that was just my opinion thrown in after reading stories about cops tasering ten year olds.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2012 at 01:37 AM
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It is time to do something about guns. Mandatory firearms training for all students Seventh grade and up, unless it goes against your religion. Teachers must be trained and armed in classrooms (Tasers actually).
School guards armed and each school should have at least a squad of four on duty at all times. and they should be watching any place that the campus can be entered. Full camera coverage of all doorways, hallways, campus entrances, and meeting areas. Automatic doors to lock down classrooms if an intruder is detected thus giving some protection to the students and delaying the intruder. Firedoors that drop down or close across a hallway would help isolate the intruder even further. Windows in the doors would need to be made of bullet resistant glass, and the doors need to have a thick steel inner core.
Each class should have an emergency exit going outside so the students can escape any danger from fire to crazed gunman.

Remember, THIS IS TO PROTECT THE KIDS. THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

Any other suggestions on how to make a school campus safer, feel free to add them.


Gee, what a great idea. Schools are just overflowing with money now. This would cost each taxpayer another $1,000 per year. Oh, plus the money the school districts will have to pay out to settle all the lawsuits when teachers having a bad day uses a taser on students. Not only that, but all it will do is cause a crazy gunman to open fire in front of a school, or a block from the school.

I'm sorry, but this is society now and we have to get used to it. As long as there are crazy evil people, they will find a way to conduct evil deeds. Expect those crazy evil people to use the best available weapon to conduct those crazy evil deeds. In China that was a knife. In Connecticut, it was semi-automatic guns.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2012 at 06:50 AM
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It is time to do something about guns. Mandatory firearms training for all students Seventh grade and up, unless it goes against your religion. Teachers must be trained and armed in classrooms (Tasers actually).
School guards armed and each school should have at least a squad of four on duty at all times. and they should be watching any place that the campus can be entered. Full camera coverage of all doorways, hallways, campus entrances, and meeting areas. Automatic doors to lock down classrooms if an intruder is detected thus giving some protection to the students and delaying the intruder. Firedoors that drop down or close across a hallway would help isolate the intruder even further. Windows in the doors would need to be made of bullet resistant glass, and the doors need to have a thick steel inner core.
Each class should have an emergency exit going outside so the students can escape any danger from fire to crazed gunman.

Remember, THIS IS TO PROTECT THE KIDS. THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

Any other suggestions on how to make a school campus safer, feel free to add them.


Wow. Bringing a taser to a gun fight is like, well, bringing a taser to a gun fight. Most schools have camera systems already in place, and I know our elementary schools have safety doors that limit access to student areas. I believe Sandy Hook elemantary had those type doors also. There is no way taxpayers could afford the cost of armed officers at every school campus in the U.S., especially when 99% of them would spend their days and careers doing absolutely nothing. Putting exit doors in every classroom in the U.S. would bankrupt the nation and not stop the violence. All a gunman would have to do is wait until recess to have an easy and accessible target rich environment.

Instead, we could take a fraction of that money and focus on early intervention with at-risk students. Legalize weed, charge a fortune to llisence it, and tax the hell out of it. Take all that income and the money you save from enforcing weed laws and put it into early intervention and re-funding community mental health programs throughout the country. This is NOT a gun issue, IMHO, it is a mental health issue. I would include the victims of bullying in the at risk category, not because they are mentally ill, but because they need assistance in how to deal with the issue in a healthy and positive way. Hire more teachers and reduce classroom size, making it easier for teachers to identify and refer at risk students. Allow school counselors to actually do counseling and hire assistants to work on schedulingtesting issues, which is really about all school counselors do these days. It's all about early identificationintervention with at risk students. Everything else is like closing the barn door after the horse is already out.

 

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Still praying for all that lost their lives Friday. Can't help but tear up when I think of the 20 children that will not know life as we know it. I know our loving God will take care of his children. They are now his little angels. I am weaping as I write this. Please say a ptayer for the innocent victims and especialy the kids.

 

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I don't know what to say......

In wake of school massacre, Conn. authorities warn against social media frauds

NEWTOWN, CONN. Connecticut authorities complained Sunday that false information about the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary school is being promulgated online by social media tricksters. And they warned that such misinformation is prosecutable under the law.

"Misinformation is being posted on social media. People posing as the shooter, mimicking this crime and crime scene and criminal activity, some things in a threatening manner," said Conn. State Police spokesman Paul Vance.

In addition to people pretending to be the shooter or other principals in the investigation, Vance said other posters are putting up information purported to be from the Newtown city police or the Connecticut state police. Neither of those agencies are posting information via twitter or other social media, he said.

"All info related to this case is coming from these microphones," he told reporters at a press briefing in Newtown Sunday morning.

Vance said he considered the misinformation a "violation of federal law and warrants an investigation."

"These issues are crimes, they will be examined in state and federally."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57559450/in-wake-of-school-massacre-con n-authorities-warn-against-social-media-frauds/

 

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Some FACTS about the gunman, ADAM Lanza have come out shedding light on contributing factors to his outburst.

He was autistic. He had trouble in school so much so that in 2010 his Mother took him out of school to 'home school' him. His parents divorced in 2009 and it deeply upset him. His Mother doted on him and took him to the Rifle range to shoot at targets. She was not a teacher, she was a teacher's aide and he went to one of her classrooms to launch his tirade. The Principal buzzed him into the school because she KNEW him (from prior meetings with him and the Mom due to his behavioral problems which resulted in him being removed from school and getting that home schooling.) JUST prior to the shooting, he went to New Jersey to see his 'girlfriend' who went missing after he was there.

http://news.yahoo.com/adam-lanza-think-know-apparent-newtown-shooter-000504 086.html

http://news.yahoo.com/teacher-says-gunman-loner-didnt-feel-pain-222347184.h tml

Early on the Gym teacher realized he did not feel pain. Genetically born SOCIOPATHS do not feel pain. Pain is interesting to them because it is something they know they should feel but they don't. That is why there is often no remorse from serial murderers, they do not have the same feelings or moral compass as everyone else. Now being that he took his own life, he may not have been a full blown sociopath but there was definitely something wrong.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/potential_connecticut_school_shooting_8H MOSbP38TXwSYYsVGkYLO

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/14/what-we-know-so-far-about- connecticut-school-shooter-adam-lanza.html

"The narrative being pieced together is that Adam Lanza, who is from Newtown, traveled to a family home in Hoboken, N.J., yesterday, and killed at least one person there before going back to Connecticut. It is believed that one victim is Lanza’s father. Lanza’s girlfriend and a friend are reported missing in New Jersey."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/live-updates-newtown-ct-schoo l-shooting/#.UMuSDnphJZY.twitter

5:29 p.m.: Gunman’s mother was teacher’s aide at school and not a teacher as previously believed, authorities say.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyregion/shooting-reported-at-connecticut -elementary-school.html?_r=1&

The principal had buzzed Mr. Lanza in because she recognized him as the son of a colleague. Moments later, she was shot dead when she went to investigate the sound of gunshots. The school psychologist was also among those who died.

http://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Gunman-s-father-speaks-of-heartbreak -4121537.php

He and Nancy Lanza divorced in 2009 due to "irreconcilable differences," according to court records in Stamford. The couple had been married for 28 years. About nine months after Nancy filed for the divorce, the two worked out an in agreement that included joint custody of their son Adam, who was 17 at the time. As part of their parental agreement, Adam was to live primarily with his mother, with Peter permitted "liberal visitation and vacations."

http://blog.ctnews.com/newtownshooting/2012/12/15/reports-assailants-mother -took-him-target-shooting/

Nancy Lanza, the mother of alleged Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter Adam Lanza, reportedly took her son target shooting. According to multiple reports, including by the New York Times and CBS News, Nancy Lanza was a fan of guns and went shooting with her sons.

http://www.newstimes.com/local/article/What-pushed-shooter-to-kill-4121130. php

Adam Lanza, 20, was remembered Saturday as a quiet, "anti-social" student at Newtown High School, which he left before graduation in 2010, to be home-schooled by his mother, Nancy Lanza.

http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/What-pushed-shooter-to-kill-4121130.php #ixzz2FCrrjEpP

She had season's tickets to the Red Sox, being from New Hampshire," said Bergquist. "She'd speak lovingly of both Adam and Ryan; but Adam, he was her life. Every time she would speak of Adam, she said he had his "medical" issues, but she would always lend itself in the positive, about how he was making progress, making friends. She would move with him wherever he went to go to college.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/jared-loughner-mass-shootings-m ental-illness

We set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 61 of them—24 in the last seven years alone. No less than 80 percent of the perpetrators in these 61 cases obtained their weapons legally. Acute paranoia, delusions, and depression were rampant among them, with at least 35 of the killers committing suicide on or near the scene. (Seven others died in police shootouts they had little hope of surviving, regarded by some experts as "suicide by cop.") And according to additional research we completed recently, at least 38 of them displayed signs of mental health problems prior to the killings.

SUMMATION: Adam Lanza was a troubled child with ongoing developmental disabilities as demonstrated by his behavioral problems throughtout school which resulted in his needing to be home schooled. The Mother was excessigly doting on him. His Father wanted a normal life, divorced her, provided alimony and child support in the amount of $240,000 per year, he remarried and was living his life. His Brother, Ryan (who was mistakenly identified as the shooter initially) went to Quinnipiac College, graduated, got a good job in NYC and had had no contact with Adam for the past two years.

IMPRESSION: Autistic child, overly protective Mother, child not able to handle his rage at his parent's divorce (2009 and he needed to be home schooled in 2010), and then throw a girlfriend into that mix, when the overly controlling Mother said he would go to college but she would (need to) move with him when he did that. Either a) he could not function on his own or b) she was unwilling to let him grow up and do that. Either way he was too conflicted. He shot the Mother in the face, then went to her classroom and shot up the kids, then killed himself in the parking lot in the car he drove to the school in. It could be he was jealous of the kids she was giving her attention to, when he himself had to stay at home and be home schooled.

All in all, a dysfunctional family unit. A Mother taking an autistic child to the Rifle range to learn target shooting shows the lapse in judgement that she had. Autistic children have impulse control problems (can't control themselves), now why would anyone put a gun in the hands of someone with an impulse control disorder? Because their judgement is not sound.


 

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  posted on 12/16/2012 at 02:18 PM
Ann and others jumped on the idea it was a religion upbringing issue. How wrong can you be. This was a total mental illness issue....

 

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  posted on 12/16/2012 at 02:44 PM
I responded to a post that said:

We all are responsible. We have become self-centered, consumers with no fear of God. We reap what we sow. Immoral lifestyles are the norm and people avoid God and church so they can live like that and not feel guilty.

I didn't mention God first. If one is going to try to tar and feather me, please get the facts in order before doing so.

 

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Instead, we could take a fraction of that money and focus on early intervention with at-risk students. Legalize weed, charge a fortune to llisence it, and tax the hell out of it. Take all that income and the money you save from enforcing weed laws and put it into early intervention and re-funding community mental health programs throughout the country. This is NOT a gun issue, IMHO, it is a mental health issue. I would include the victims of bullying in the at risk category, not because they are mentally ill, but because they need assistance in how to deal with the issue in a healthy and positive way. Hire more teachers and reduce classroom size, making it easier for teachers to identify and refer at risk students. Allow school counselors to actually do counseling and hire assistants to work on schedulingtesting issues, which is really about all school counselors do these days. It's all about early identificationintervention with at risk students. Everything else is like closing the barn door after the horse is already out.



Sit down and hold on to your hat....i totally agree with you!

 

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  posted on 12/16/2012 at 02:53 PM
Idiot [mike hackabee] claims: "since we took GOD out of schools and public buildings, how can we count on him to intervene in these instances". what an imbicile.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2012 at 02:59 PM
There's more happening up there in Newtown.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/newtown-church-evacuated-due-unspecifie d-threat-during-noon-182416799.html

Updated at 2:40 p.m. ET]

NEWTOWN, Conn.--St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church was evacuated during its noon mass due to an anonymous threat made by phone.

"I'm going to kill everyone there. My friend didn't finish the job," said a caller to the church, the Washington Post reported. Yahoo News was nearby when patrolmen and SWAT officers surrounded the church with weapons drawn.

At approximately 12:30 p.m., the pastor informed churchgoers that there was a threat, and they would have to leave the church, according to a pair of churchgoers who were evacuated. Police formed a perimeter around the church and several adjacent buildings. The media, which had been barred from attending the services at St. Rose but were camped out across the street, swarmed to capture footage of the chaotic scene.

Approximately a dozen police and SWAT team members surrounded a white building just west of the church, taking cover behind trees with guns drawn.

A Newtown police officer declared the scene was "clear" at approximately 1:15 p.m., but declined to answer any questions about the threat. The Newtown Police Department headquarters also declined to comment on why officers rushed to the church.

REMARKS: Okay where's Michael Moore, is he enroute to expose what is really going on up there?

 

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  posted on 12/16/2012 at 03:18 PM
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Idiot [mike hackabee] claims: "since we took GOD out of schools and public buildings, how can we count on him to intervene in these instances". what an imbicile.


I don't know what wimpy god Huckabee believes in but the God I believe in doesn't have to ask permission to enter anywhere. And I darn sure don't think the God I believe in would let 26 innocent people die because of separation of church and state. I have no respect left for Huckabee whatsoever.


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  posted on 12/16/2012 at 04:10 PM
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Idiot [mike hackabee] claims: "since we took GOD out of schools and public buildings, how can we count on him to intervene in these instances". what an imbicile.


Having God in the classroom sure didn't protect all the Catholic boys from being molested and it sure wouldn't have stopped this.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2012 at 04:13 PM
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Idiot [mike hackabee] claims: "since we took GOD out of schools and public buildings, how can we count on him to intervene in these instances". what an imbicile.


I don't know what wimpy god Huckabee believes in but the God I believe in doesn't have to ask permission to enter anywhere. And I darn sure don't think the God I believe in would let 26 innocent people die because of separation of church and state. I have no respect left for Huckabee whatsoever.

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I think Huckabee is kinda cute and I was very entertained during those Primary Debates where we can still remember him asking the moderator to 'turn on the spigot' and let him say more. What he meant is that God will launch vengeance on a people who shut him out and make up their own doctrines and I think on that point he is right. As to those who say why would God allow rampages and mayhem etc., read your Bible, he lets different groups fight against each other, smite each other, then he will come back and settle it all later on. He lets certain people win for a certain amount of time, then he comes to teach THEM a lesson in humility letting another group take them down. Read it and find out. Prophecy clearly tells you he will let the anti-Christ rise to power and rule the whole world, but then there will be those who refuse to accept this rule, then he will dispatch Jesus one last time to take down the anti-Christ and those who ally with Jesus will have blessings and life in his kingdom (which will be here on earth). Don't get the mark of the beast on your hand or forehead even though you will not be able to buy anything including food and essentials. You will have to go live as a survivalist during those times. Those times are when the New World Order has control, implements their one world currency, one world army, and one world King (the anti-Christ) who will sit there in Jerusalem ruling this planet. It's not just a story, it is what will happen.






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  posted on 12/16/2012 at 04:14 PM
I agree with what Ann said my God needs no permission from any human to intercede in our affairs. But I also God and prayer should be back in our schools!!

 

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  posted on 12/16/2012 at 04:19 PM
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I agree with what Ann said my God needs no permission from any human to intercede in our affairs. But I also God and prayer should be back in our schools!!


Prayer is not needed in the schools, it is needed at home, before school and after school; or before work and after work. That is what was commanded. At the two ends of the day, just before sunrise and just before sunset. Even in the Quran they are told these things.

[The edict for Muslims to pray five times per day was implemented when the Prophet of Islam, peace be upon him and all the prophets, received revelation during his Night Journey. {I do not want to get into a disertation on this as I have questions raised by a scholar from Karachi who says people are under incorrect knowledge about this as to what really happened at this time].

I will just say the command to pray at the beginning of the day and end of the day was given to Christians and Muslims, and those things should be done before or after school.



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  posted on 12/16/2012 at 04:24 PM
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I agree with what Ann said my God needs no permission from any human to intercede in our affairs. But I also God and prayer should be back in our schools!!


Prayer is for church and a persons home, not the classroom. The classroom is for learning critical thinking, not faith based mythical story telling.

 

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I agree with what Ann said my God needs no permission from any human to intercede in our affairs. But I also God and prayer should be back in our schools!!


Prayer is for church and a persons home, not the classroom. The classroom is for learning critical thinking, not faith based mythical story telling.


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I agree with what Ann said my God needs no permission from any human to intercede in our affairs. But I also God and prayer should be back in our schools!!


Prayer is not needed in the schools, it is needed at home, before school and after school; or before work and after work. That is what was commanded. At the two ends of the day, just before sunrise and just before sunset. Even in the Quran they are told these things.

[The edict for Muslims to pray five times per day was implemented when the Prophet of Islam, peace be upon him and all the prophets, received revelation during his Night Journey. {I do not want to get into a disertation on this as I have questions raised by a scholar from Karachi who says people are under incorrect knowledge about this as to what really happened at this time].

I will just say the command to pray at the beginning of the day and end of the day was given to Christians and Muslims, and those things should be done before or after school.



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I will agree with you concerning the prayer part. But i do beleive God should be a part of the school systems. I would not see anything wrong with saying the Lord's Prayer at the start of the school day.. It is such a beautifully written prayer...

 

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I agree with what Ann said my God needs no permission from any human to intercede in our affairs. But I also God and prayer should be back in our schools!!


Prayer is for church and a persons home, not the classroom. The classroom is for learning critical thinking, not faith based mythical story telling.


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  posted on 12/16/2012 at 04:36 PM
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I agree with what Ann said my God needs no permission from any human to intercede in our affairs. But I also God and prayer should be back in our schools!!


Prayer is for church and a persons home, not the classroom. The classroom is for learning critical thinking, not faith based mythical story telling.


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