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Author: Subject: Gunman opens fire in K-4 school in Conn., leaving dozens dead; Suspect dead

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 12:12 AM
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Interesting....I didn't detect that sentiment in your previous post that started this discussion:

We have become self-centered, consumers with no fear of God. We reap what we sow. Immoral lifestyles are the norm and people avoid God and church so they can live like that and not feel guilty.


As Doug said...there's evil everywhere.




You've got yur posters confused Ann - that was lovelead, not Dannyspell.


You're right. Mea culpa.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 12:29 AM
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Someone should change his user name to Dannycan'tspellforsh!tbuthesurecanwhine.


[/quoteFunny how you can find humor in this tragic event!!

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 12:34 AM
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Someone should change his user name to Dannycan'tspellforsh!tbuthesurecanwhine.


[/quoteFunny how you can find humor in this tragic event!!
Guessing you don't have young children or grandchildren!!

 

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Someone should change his user name to Dannycan'tspellforsh!tbuthesurecanwhine.


[/quoteFunny how you can find humor in this tragic event!!
Guessing you don't have young children or grandchildren!!

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 12:36 AM
I didn't see any humor in his post.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 10:07 AM
takes quite a bit to make me cry. Quite a bit. I saw President Obama, and please, for the love of God or whoever it is you love, don't politicize this and quit the bickering, having a hard time making his statement and I lost it. The President of the United States, nearly reduced to tears. Innocent, pure, loving and wonderful babies...slaughtered. Unfathomable. As a grandparent of a 4 and 6 year old, I actually felt a shaking, very uncomfortable feeling after this news set in.

Children, babies. I've been praying hard the past 24 hours. Lets try love and compassion and understanding for one another. I've volunteered for children over the years, still do, and to think of that sense of wonderment and playfulness and innocence wiped out, it makes me physically sick. We need to love more.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 10:18 AM
Agreed, piacere, but the thing is, the same pleas for sanity are said every time after a tragedy like this...& more occur still
As long as there are guns in the hands of humans, tragedies like this will happen, with little/no way of forseeing them
20 children between the age of 5-10 -- it's ghastly, beyond grotesque -- humans are at the low end of the life chain...

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 11:17 AM
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Totally agree, Julie. This is insane and abhorrent behavior. When did it become OK to just kill people?


Television made it okay. Desensitized the country and culture to violence and death. Video games and movies made it okay. They see these things, grow up with them, and then do it, because seeing those things gives them ideas.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 11:23 AM
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While I agree with you guys, I also think it shines a light on just how much we as a society have all but forgotten and neglected our mental health system in this country.


But who controls that, who makes those decisions, and who defines what is normal?

Certainly in this instance we would all agree this person is disturbed (or controlled - yes that's possible too) but how are you going to initiate mass screenings of people, who defines what is normal? That is a dangerous path to go down when the Power Elite runs the world and is headed by an evil cabal of miscreants and assassins.

(Re: Controlled people- you know the govt. does evil things, and yes they do mind control and dispatch people to do effed up things. If you don't know about it, google cia and mind control).

This is how effed up the evil cabal is, they will implement technology like this, which people are developing, patenting and will sell to the govt. Do you want a society with sh*t like this in place?

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-12/these-handcuffs-can-shock- and-drug-prisoners

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 11:29 AM
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While I agree with you guys, I also think it shines a light on just how much we as a society have all but forgotten and neglected our mental health system in this country.


Mental illness and our current gun control laws are a bad combo. But I agree with you; people who are "looking for a reason" will no more find it here than with the nanny in NYC who killed the two kids. There is no reason; just insanity.

And yes; the mental health system is failing; but amazingly no one, no matter how crazy can me medicated against their own will


There is such a thing as pure unadulterated evil.


Yeah the Military Industrial Complex who has no qualms about going to any country and murdering it's people in pre-emptive strikes. A million Iraqis were killed, Sadaam was taken out early on, but they still kept bombing and killing. 11 years in Afghanistan so far.....Murdered a bunch of Libyans just to take out their leader, they never did anything to anyone.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 11:33 AM
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/15/278097/obama-vows-action-over-gun-c rime/
"We are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this regardless of the politics," Obama said.
He mentioned previous shooting massacres in Colorado, Oregon, and Wisconsin, and said, "As a country we have been through this too many times."

Earlier in the day, Obama had discussed the renewal of the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, which had banned the domestic manufacture for civilian use of 19 types of semi-automatic firearms until it expired in 2004.

Up to now, Obama has taken no solid action to renew the law

Remarks: Just a coincidence they did not get that legislation put thru after that Bozo the clown dressed guy opened fire in that movie theatre. Now the justification to save children will be the impetus for the disarming of America; which will not lead to peace for any of us.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 11:51 AM
Im going to guess that "bad parenting" was a factor in this tragedy.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 12:49 PM
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Totally agree, Julie. This is insane and abhorrent behavior. When did it become OK to just kill people?


Television made it okay. Desensitized the country and culture to violence and death. Video games and movies made it okay. They see these things, grow up with them, and then do it, because seeing those things gives them ideas.


Congratulations Gina! It took you 14,439 posts to do it but you FINALLY wrote something that makes sense. Good for you and try not to wait so long before you do it again.

The pea brains of the world and on this site will come along and say, 'we played those violent video games and we never hurt anyone and we are productive members of our community'!!

What the heck does that have to do with anything? Yes we are glad that tens of millions of kids did not become mass killers but the fact remains that those games and violence in the media planted a scenario in their heads. Killing untold hundreds on a screen became entertainment. IT BECAME AN OPTION. An option unknown before that. Then as the few sick ones chose it they were rewarded with their 15 minutes (more like 15 days) of fame. Even if they planned on suicide they knew their names would be up in lights.

This is not a gun control issue. It is society value issue. In China where you cannot get a gun there have been rashes of knife attacks in recent years. People for the most part have no fear of God and little love for their fellow man. They say they do until someone cuts them off on the highway.

Beijing (CNN) -- Twenty-two primary school children were wounded in a knife attack Friday in central China, authorities said.

The attack took place at the entrance to the Chenpeng Village Primary School in Henan province, according to the public information department of Guangshan county, the area where the school is located. An adult was also wounded, it said.

Several of the children are in critical condition, the state-run website Chinanews.com said, citing local authorities.

Read more: Malala is face of global attacks on schools

Police say they have detained a suspect, a 36-year-old man from the village, state media reported.

Initial assessments suggest the man is mentally ill, Chinanews.com said, citing Guangshan authorities.

China was hit by a spate of knife and cleaver attacks that targeted school children in 2010.

A number of measures were introduced at the time, including increased security at schools across the country and a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when buying large knives.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 12:53 PM
A terrible tragedy that is hard for me to comprehend. Prayers for all who are involved.

Pure evil exist and someone intent on harming others will do so; be it with a bullett, arrow, rock or fist.

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 01:48 PM
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I didn't see any humor in his post.


Wasn't supposed to be.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 02:32 PM
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I didn't see any humor in his post.


Wasn't supposed to be.


I know.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 02:37 PM
That Obama had difficulty speaking of the tragedy is when I lost it too. Our grandchildren are older but our great grandson is almost four...too close to those babies ages ....and I kept putting his face on those lost little ones.

I agree with Gina although I didn't see television as a threat for a long time. I don't know what's going on with programmers now but shows that elevate bad and violent behavior to the top of the list, the video games promotiing violence without consequences, they're creating an insensitivity to death and the line between right and wrong is blurred.

I read about the stabbing of the 22 children and one thing jumped out at me. So far, they're all still alive. If the man had had a gun, they'd be dead like the children in Connecticut. I don't know the ansswer to the gun situation, but in this case....22 children are still alive because all the man could get his hands on was a knife.

It's just so incredibly sad for those families of the dead babies. So incredibly sad.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 05:42 PM
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This is not a gun control issue.


Sorry in my opinion it is. If the shooter does not have easy access to the weapons he would not have been able to complete this horrendous deed.

Kid liked to shoot guns, great, mom liked it too but he should never of had access to her pistol and rifles. That's just common sense.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 05:50 PM
It would be more useful to look at school systems where loners and outcasts are turned into psychopaths rather the bitch about guns.

Bullying and Hazing create the problems , not access to guns.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 06:13 PM
Had assault weapons been legal in China, they would have had 22 or more death there too instead of just knife wounds.
 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 06:44 PM
The last three posts are excellent. Why can't there be things like locks that can only be unlocked by the owner of the gun? Why can't we find these young people who have so much rage and find a way to help them? And yes, that was my point. If the man in China had a gun there would be 22 dead kids.

[Edited on 12/15/2012 by bigann]

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 06:52 PM
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It would be more useful to look at school systems where loners and outcasts are turned into psychopaths rather the bitch about guns.

Bullying and Hazing create the problems , not access to guns.




Exactly.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 07:00 PM
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Had assault weapons been legal in China, they would have had 22 or more death there too instead of just knife wounds.


In recent years many kids have been killed in these attacks in China and the perps. have been executed but the slaughter continues. For whatever reason this recent attck does not have a death toll......yet....as many are in critical condition.

If there were no guns in the U.S. this still would not stop. Knives, bombs and you name it.
We live in a sick society that has little fear of God and very little respect for other people.

Road rage, racial attacks and you name it. As long as people get their 55" HDTV all is well.

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 07:03 PM
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That Obama had difficulty speaking of the tragedy is when I lost it too. Our grandchildren are older but our great grandson is almost four...too close to those babies ages ....and I kept putting his face on those lost little ones.

I agree with Gina although I didn't see television as a threat for a long time. I don't know what's going on with programmers now but shows that elevate bad and violent behavior to the top of the list, the video games promotiing violence without consequences, they're creating an insensitivity to death and the line between right and wrong is blurred.

I read about the stabbing of the 22 children and one thing jumped out at me. So far, they're all still alive. If the man had had a gun, they'd be dead like the children in Connecticut. I don't know the ansswer to the gun situation, but in this case....22 children are still alive because all the man could get his hands on was a knife.

It's just so incredibly sad for those families of the dead babies. So incredibly sad.


You give new meaning to the word, ' ignorant'.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 07:19 PM
Just some things, bringing the subject back to the subject.

To the juveniles here, please leave. Such a tragic, indiscrible tragic , home hitting thing, ohh, this is not a place to post insults, Obama attacks, etc.

Gun control. One must be of age, licensed, waiting period, etc. All that was met by Nancy Lanza.
Guns are here to stay. Those pro and anti guns will be voicing their sides later and you know it.
God, if you believe, is here to stay. If you don't, fine. You don't.
Mike Huckabee is syaing taking God out of the public schools is why.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html
The guns belonged to Nancy Lanza. Why did she need, want several, SEVEARL high power, big guns KNOWING her son was weird.
Danergous and weird.
Parental denial here.

Autism, Aspergers' Synd, does not equal this.
Autism, usually your child will never be able to live, function alone, independently, depending on the severity.
Very mild cases, one can be , live, function alone.

Crazy, mentally crazy, umm, no. That thing was not mentally crazy. We use the term mentally crazy, deranged, because it is a feel-good-explanation and one that avoids the truth.
We Americans like avoiding the triuth .
You want to see crazy go downtown in your city and see homeless people, some with mental illness eating out of trashcans, defecating on themselves, smiling and laughing and talking to no one and running away from people.
That is crazy.


This boy had Asperbger's' Synd.
He was homeschooled in H.Sch. He was evil, not crazy. t=There were many signs about his behavior but his mother and father ignored. Uphekd him on things.
His mother had issues with something in the school district.
He had other, really big issues and Aspergers' was it.
They parents were divorced and I bet the dad, who is remarried, really doesn't see or know that strange son much.
Why did this mother, who uphold him , her darling, spoiled brat, I bet, have such high fire, high power guns ?
Denial.
He shot her dead. She taught him early on how to shoot. She belonged to the NRA.
This woman was the start of this boys' mess.
He should have been institutionalized early on.

The older bro is in a big job inn Times Square for some big compnay and he is an accountant.

Dysfunctional family.

Thhis thibg argued with the teachers of the school the day before. Why was he at the schooll, I don't know.
The mother was a substitute there.
These are some facts just coming in.

It is very, tragic, sad, why, why, questions we have. Indescribable.

[Edited on 12/16/2012 by SGirl]

 
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