Thread: Noetics and related Energies

bigann - 10/22/2009 at 07:55 PM

DfC assured me he'd be by to discuss the topic so I'm starting a thread to make it easier to find.

For anyone who doesn't know much about the subject, Noetics, short version, is about the collective power of thought.

He's on deadline right now but assured me he'd be back to discuss it with me.


tuna - 10/22/2009 at 08:06 PM

sounds very Jungian...


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/22/2009 at 08:06 PM

Yes I will.


tuna - 10/22/2009 at 08:12 PM

is that there some kind of Noetic critter?


bigann - 10/22/2009 at 08:51 PM

Here is some information from a review of Dan Brown's new book to get started for those who don't know what noetics encompasses:

Cassandra VietenAuthor of Mindful Motherhood, Director of Research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences
Posted: September 21, 2009 03:02 PM

What Is Noetic Science?

Dr. Katherine Solomon specializes in noetic science, with its focus on mind-body connections. She admits that her field is not widely known. But when her story comes out, she suggests, noetics could get the kind of public relations bump that Mr. Brown gave to the Holy Grail.

In fact, with Katherine as the female protagonist, the noetic sciences figure prominently in the book.

When I introduce myself as director of research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, also mentioned several times in the book, the invariable response is "That's great...um, what are noetic sciences?" Here are a few definitions:

no•et•ic: From the Greek noēsis/ noētikos, meaning inner wisdom, direct knowing, or subjective understanding. As defined by the philosopher William James in 1902, noetic refers to "states of insight into depths of truth unplumbed by the discursive intellect. They are illuminations, revelations, full of significance and importance, all inarticulate though they remain; and as a rule they carry with them a curious sense of authority..."

sci•ence: Systems of acquiring knowledge that use observation, experimentation, and replication to describe and explain natural phenomena

no•et•ic sci•ences: A multidisciplinary field that brings objective scientific tools and techniques together with subjective inner knowing to study the full range of human experience.

In other words, there are several ways we can know the world around us. Science focuses on external observation and is grounded in objective evaluation, measurement, and experimentation. This is useful in increasing objectivity and reducing bias and inaccuracy as we interpret what we observe.

But another way of knowing is subjective -- or internal -- including gut feelings, intuition, hunches -- the way you know you love your children, for example, or experiences you have that cannot be explained or proven, but feel absolutely real nonetheless. This way of knowing is what we call noetic.

From a purely materialist, mechanistic perspective, all subjective -- noetic -- experience arises from physical matter, and consciousness is simply a byproduct of brain and body processes. The noetic sciences focus on bringing a scientific lens to the study of subjective experience, and to ways that consciousness may influence the physical world.

Consciousness has been defined in many ways, but in this context, consciousness is awareness -- how people perceive, interpret, and direct their attention and intention toward their environment. Collective consciousness is how a group (an institution, a society, a species) perceives, attends to, and makes meaning of the world. In its largest, most universal sense, consciousness has been referred to as a "milieu of potential," the shared ground of being from which all experiences and phenomena arise and eventually return.

The essential hypothesis underlying the noetic sciences is, put simply, that consciousness matters. The question is when, how, and why does it matter?........


heineken515 - 10/22/2009 at 08:53 PM

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Here is some information from a review of Dan Brown's new book to get started for those who don't know what noetics encompasses...


Thanks Ann, but I'll just wait for DFC's comments...


SantaCruzBluz - 10/22/2009 at 11:01 PM

bigann, have you seen "What the Bleep Do We Know?"


bigann - 10/22/2009 at 11:12 PM

Since we're waiting for the other half of this discussion, I'll go ahead and start.

Renee Descartes said 'I think, therefore I am' and one intrepretation is that the act of thought creates the reality of the person. Another consideration would be a realization that thought creates not only the reality of the person's existence, but that what we thinks creates our reality.

If we think negatively of ourselves, we're creating a negative energy by our thoughts that can effect our health directly. If we think positive of ourselves, we create a healthy reality. In this context it could be explained that the way I think defines the person I am.

Another illustration of negative energies is the spoken word. The old adage, sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me is wrong. Physical injuries can heal, but the power of the spoken word can cause wounds that last a lifetime.

Studies with plants and on water have illustrated how negative energies created by hateful, hurtful words can cause the frozen crystals of water subjected to the negativity to appear damaged and broken under a microscope and how such words can stunt the growth of plants. Children who are subjected to constant verbal abuse are harmed beyond measure. And this is just the beginning of the power of energy we are capable of creating.


gina - 10/22/2009 at 11:22 PM

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bigann, have you seen "What the Bleep Do We Know?"


I know about the bleep story and thought it was great, they were trying to do a movie about the topic and then things started happening while they were filming so it was they who learned the lesson that thoughts create events which occur. We cause our own realities.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/22/2009 at 11:27 PM

What we see around us is an illusion we create with our own individual thoughts and the collective thoughts of the whole planet. Each of us is able to create the reality we desire, beginning with our thoughts, and then our spoken words, and then the actions we take. That much I understand and have seen in practice throughout my own life. I know for a fact that what we think has a direct impact on what we experience, and not just in the sense that i think I'm going to go for a walk, so I do. It is much more than that, and I've seen it with my own eyes. The more you focus on it, the more it happens. I've learned over the years to pay close attention to my little voice. It never fails me, and the more I trust it, the more help it is. I guess that is called developing your intuitive powers. And it seems like noetics is the scientific study of intuitive powers, and using thoughts to create reality. Is that accurate? It sounds pretty cool.


bigann - 10/22/2009 at 11:51 PM

First, no, I didn't ever have the chance to see that movie. I never could find it anywhere but I wanted to.

As for an understanding of noetics, you're pretty much on target. Now, since you've got that one under control... ...let's move on to some more....manifestation and altering matter by thought.

Manifestation is making something happen by focusing on it.....much as you were addressing, Allen. Johnny always expects a parking space in front of where ever we go and no matter how crowded the place, there is always a space for him to park near the door. That's a simple illustration of 'manifestation.' Taking it to a higher level, you can also manifest good health and healing by thought.

This leads into altering matter by collective thought. Spoon bending is a simple form of creating energies that will alter the molecules of the spoon and cause it to bend. A more advanced, and for a long time, inexplicable to me, example of collective thought changing altering matter is something that happened when Johnny, Bill Stewart and I were returning from Lafayette.

Johnny entered an intersection on a green light and as we were driving through the light, to our left a speeding car came out of nowhere to our left on a certain collision course. There was absolutely no way that car wasn't going to hit us and yet, it didn't. First it was a few feet from the driver's door and then it was on my right, speeding down the street away from us. The only explaination I've found that come close to what happened is that the three of us collectively willed the car out of our path. I don't for a moment discount universal intervention, but for whatever reason, I believe our collective thoughts altered the situation.


bigann - 10/23/2009 at 01:13 AM

Anyone seen DfC? I'm waiting for him to come on so we can start the thread in ernest.


Slimzimm - 10/23/2009 at 02:45 AM

I've got a gut feeling this thread will become contentious.


bigann - 10/23/2009 at 02:49 AM

While we're waiting, let's take this a little further. Knowing that we have the power to harness our own and collective energies, understanding our own energy allows each of us to connect with others beneficially. Group prayer being a prime example.

We all are surrounded by energy known as auras and they're part of the body's chakra system which is the way the outside energies interact with us. . Male chakras and female chakras rotate in opposite directions so when we stand male to female, they rotate together. ( Just a little piece of trivia thrown in there.)

When you're holding a child, when you give someone a hug, you're exchanging energies with the other person. When a child is sick, you hold him or her and when someone is in distress, hugging is a natural response. It's how we unconsciously offer healing energy to the other person. This healing ability can be enhanced and developed to help other people. More on that later.

If you've ever been around a person who seems to exhaust you just by being in their company, you may have encountered what's called a psychic vampire. These are people who are unable to sustain their own energy levels because of negativism, so they tend to drain the physical energies of those they encounter. There are ways to protect yourselves from them.

In short, knowing how to work and interact with the energy around us can be beneficial to us and others.

And all of this ties in with everything surrounding us and understanding how to access this external energy of nature is part of developing our ability to heal ourselves and others.


bigann - 10/23/2009 at 05:59 AM

Still waiting......


SquatchTexas - 10/23/2009 at 03:19 PM

Google might be down. And also, remember, he said he had a deadline to meet. You might be waiting a long, long time.


tuna - 10/23/2009 at 04:39 PM

negative energy creates more negative energy. positive energy creates more positive energy. being able to control that flow is the challenge. blending with negative energy allows you to control the flow. meeting negative with negative is counterproductive. pretty simple idea but difficult in practice.


tuna - 10/23/2009 at 04:53 PM

if you are attacked verbally or physically, our first reaction is to attack back. effective if you have more energy or are stronger but one is left injured and energy is wasted.

a better way would be to blend with the attack and then lead. positive outcome on both sides. doing this means changing the way you normally interact. this requires self awareness and the abilty to let go of your ego.


bigann - 10/23/2009 at 05:05 PM

I guess since the other half of this discussion hasn't shown up....as said, Googld is probably down....I'll move on to our physical bodies and the energis around us.

Everything around us and within us is vibration. The density of something is determined by the rate of vibration. The slower the vibration, the more solid the object appears. Everything in our bodies vibrate to different frequencies that correspond to everything around us and often to bring our body back into harmony we align ourselves with things in nature that cause a sympathetic vibration, pulling us back into alignment.

For instance, every tree has its own vibratory frequency......tree hugging actually has benefit on occasion :-) But a more common application is aromatherapy using essential oils. Those oils are derived from the individual plants and each carries a specific vibration that corresponds to something inside of our bodies. When we apply the oils directly or smell the oils we're tuning ourselves to that frequency.

Another common application is sound and color. It all ties together. Each note has it's own vibration and each one corresponds to a color. Studies have been done that shows what colors correspond to which note. Sound therapy and color thearpy are applications of this principle. Also, each crystal corresponds to a color and note....as does each essential oil....and all combine to maintain our bodies internal frequencies and vibrations.

Illness begins when our body's vibrations are lowered and understanding the application of the various energies I mentioned can help maintain a healthy vibration that won't permit germs, etc to find a foothold iin our bodies.

This is just the short version....there's more in how to do simple applications with that which is around us.


tuna - 10/23/2009 at 05:52 PM

so what we have is something that encompasses just about everything. from the way we interact with each other and our environment to our physical and mental well being. this can be applied to religions, music and physics. interesting.

what better place to talk about harmony.


bigann - 10/23/2009 at 06:42 PM

Yes, you've got the right idea. Once we have an understanding of the energy around us and within us, we can use it to make positive changes in ourselves and for the greater good.

Here's a quick way to use the sun and color. Take a colored bottle....usually a dark green wine bottle is a good one to start with. Green vibrates to the heart chakra and will produce a mild solar water. Fill the bottle with distilled water, put the cap on and set it outside in the sun. In the winter, it takes longer because the sun isn't as strong, but in the summer it takes two to three hours. Bring the water in and drink a glass or two through out the day to get the most benefit.

Different colored bottles produce different 'flavored' water. The violet, blue, turquoise and pink bottles are more for consuming in the evening as they're very 'restful' waters. The orange, yellow and red bottles produce a more 'energetic' waters best for drinking in the morning and early afternoon.

If you don't have colored bottles, you can purchase colored celophane that will also work....just wrap it aound a clear bottle and secure it with a rubber band. When I started drinking the solar waters I was amazed at the difference, although slight, in taste and effect.

I'm basically a skeptic believer so if it doesn't work for me, I don't use the techniques on other people. With solar water, you get the benefit of the sun and the vibrations of the colors. This is something simple and easy to try.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/23/2009 at 07:15 PM

bigann, not only do trees vibrate at a certain frequency, but every object on the planet does, too. Back in the early 90s I worked in a Lever Brothers plant in Cartersville, Ga for 3 years. I worked for a contractor, and we helped implement a system where we took vibrational readings on the equipment. When a piece of machinery, whether small or very large, is installed properly, and all the components are new and working properly, you can do baseline readings on various places around the machine and build a database. You put one end of an instrument on a bearing housing for instance, and see that it is vibrating at a particular frequency, which you record. You take readings all over the machine. When you start having trouble, or hearing weird noises, you can take readings and find where the frequency is changing, telling you something is up there. Taking monthly readings, and charting them, lets you see how readings change as bearing wear, for instance, and what range the frequency is in when they need to be replaced.

Naturally, we wanted to see what readings you would get by putting the probe on a rock, or the sidewalk, or as you said, a tree. Everything vibrates at its own frequency. Even us. That was nearly 20 years ago, so I can imagine how that field has evolved. As my spiritual journey led me out of the church and into more non-traditional studies, it was easy for me to believe that we all have a frequency that changes as we learn and grow, and that certain parts of the country have a frequency that might be much more attuned to our own than other places. We've all been to places that just feel wonderful to us, and other places we hate to even walk outside. When I came to Santa Cruz, I couldn't believe how much by energy level went up, and my appetite went down. There is definitely an energy here that fits me.

The planet as a whole vibrates at a certain frequency, which also goes up as we, as a people, learn to love each other more and hate and hurt each other less.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/23/2009 at 07:20 PM

Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.


bigann - 10/23/2009 at 07:28 PM

Thank you for sharing that Allen. It makes me seem less, well, strange. You're right....we all vibrate at various frequencies in our lives and as we raise our level of awareness, we raise our level of vibrations. Noetics, back to that again, is the study of how we can collectively use those vibrations to effect the world as a whole.

Billy Bob Thornton can't stand to be around antique furniture. When we realize that we leave an imprint of our vibrations...good and bad...on objects in our lives, it's understandable how a 'sensitive' can pick up the energies like Billy Bob can.

I know we've all been places or touched things that made us kind of cringe for no apparent reason, just as we find locations, such as Allen mentioned, that are more in tune with our vibratory levels and makes us feel good.

The secret is to surround ourselves with things that make us feel good, even if you don't understand why, and to clean out those things that have served their purpose and have become 'clutter.'

It's interesting to see how many people here are on similar paths.


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/23/2009 at 07:37 PM

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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.



Proof that it works. You just had to bring attention to yourself, eh, JCPTC?? I knew you would expose yourself without me saying a word. It is kind of like the music of Philip Glass in a way, where the brains of those on the other end of it are left to fill in the spaces with their own perceptions and vanities. All of the words in the post above show up without me saying a word? And I knew it would come, using the force of the empty space.


Still flushed with work, brain used to capacity, Ann, it is still coming.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/23/2009 at 07:39 PM

Over the past 10 years or so, I've been constantly down-sizing, getting rid of every thing I don't either love, or need. One thing I had was an old family bible that was literally falling apart. I "inherited" it, as the family historian. i had it for many years in a box, with intention to get it restored someday. When I started downsizing, I asked my sister back in GA if she wanted the Bible. She did, and I boxed it up and sent it to her.

I can't explain the feeling of having a weight lifted off of me when that Bible left my house. It was literally as if some had opened all the windows and the sun came out and a fresh, cool breeze was blowing through the house. For whatever reason, that old, musty, crumbling family Bible had a very strong energy attached to it.


Boxcar_Willy - 10/23/2009 at 07:42 PM

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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.



Proof that it works. You just had to bring attention to yourself, eh, JCPTC?? I knew you would expose yourself without me saying a word. It is kind of like the music of Philip Glass in a way, where the brains of those on the other end of it are left to fill in the spaces with their own perceptions and vanities. All of the words in the post above show up without me saying a word? And I knew it would come, using the force of the empty space.


Still flushed with work, brain used to capacity, Ann, it is still coming.


Flushed with work, but you still found the time to read the thread and insult someone. After all that bragging about doing 50 things at once?

I do believe the part about your used to capacity. That capacity, however, is quite small.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/23/2009 at 07:45 PM

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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.



Proof that it works. You just had to bring attention to yourself, eh, JCPTC?? I knew you would expose yourself without me saying a word. It is kind of like the music of Philip Glass in a way, where the brains of those on the other end of it are left to fill in the spaces with their own perceptions and vanities. All of the words in the post above show up without me saying a word? And I knew it would come, using the force of the empty space.


Still flushed with work, brain used to capacity, Ann, it is still coming.


You just proved me right, didn't you, Fletch?

I started to add in my post that now Derek had the option of either proving me right, by doing what he just did, or proving me wrong, and actually coming in and addressing the people here in a respectful way. I actually typed it, and then deleted it, to just let him make his choice without any interference from me. I thought it would be a hard decision for him. Apparently it wasn't.

He made his choice, which was the one I expected him to make and predicted he would. This is the last time I'll address him in this forum, as I'm sure he has no intention of having an intelligent, respectful discussion, but only wants to do what he does. I wont' be a part of it in this thread.


tuna - 10/23/2009 at 07:46 PM

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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.

actually this is a good example. let him. you have a choice to make with how you deal with him. hes already effected you and hasnt even shown up.


tuna - 10/23/2009 at 07:53 PM

ok now....im going to watch


Boxcar_Willy - 10/23/2009 at 07:54 PM

I'll make some popcorn.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/23/2009 at 07:59 PM

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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.

actually this is a good example. let him. you have a choice to make with how you deal with him. hes already effected you and hasnt even shown up.


He's only "effected" me by doing it in dozens of other threads through the years. bigann mentioned Fletch not being here, and I responded.

It actually seems like all I had to do was post, and he did exactly what I predicted he would do. Stopped whatever "deadline" thing he was doing, and rushed over to this thread. I wonder who is "effecting" who.


tuna - 10/23/2009 at 08:07 PM

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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.

actually this is a good example. let him. you have a choice to make with how you deal with him. hes already effected you and hasnt even shown up.


He's only "effected" me by doing it in dozens of other threads through the years. bigann mentioned Fletch not being here, and I responded.

It actually seems like all I had to do was post, and he did exactly what I predicted he would do. Stopped whatever "deadline" thing he was doing, and rushed over to this thread. I wonder who is "effecting" who.
seems mutual


SantaCruzBluz - 10/23/2009 at 08:10 PM

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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.

actually this is a good example. let him. you have a choice to make with how you deal with him. hes already effected you and hasnt even shown up.


He's only "effected" me by doing it in dozens of other threads through the years. bigann mentioned Fletch not being here, and I responded.

It actually seems like all I had to do was post, and he did exactly what I predicted he would do. Stopped whatever "deadline" thing he was doing, and rushed over to this thread. I wonder who is "effecting" who.
seems mutual


You're welcome to your opinion.

How does you deciding to be my judge fit in with all this?


tuna - 10/23/2009 at 08:22 PM

i dont think im judging. seems like you guys dont like each other very much. sorry if i struck a nerve. we were discussing about ineracting. i will watch how i come across...

[Edited on 10/23/2009 by tuna]


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/23/2009 at 08:24 PM

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He's only "effected" me by doing it in dozens of other threads through the years. bigann mentioned Fletch not being here, and I responded.

It actually seems like all I had to do was post, and he did exactly what I predicted he would do. Stopped whatever "deadline" thing he was doing, and rushed over to this thread. I wonder who is "effecting" who.





This thread speaks for itself. You showed yourself. Period. Over the years you have put down those that believe differently as you do, and even done so from the point of view as considering yourself 'enlightened.' You bring in the New Age jargon to put down those that follow the Bible, and have done it blatantly and have developed a think skin about being called on it.

But, the fact that I am an anti-jargonite is irrelevant right now. This thread is self-explanatory, and your reaction to my not saying a word speaks volumes. So, I'll leave it there.

As for thoughts on the Noetic sciences, still to come.

DH


SantaCruzBluz - 10/23/2009 at 08:29 PM

We don't like each other at all. One of the reasons you don't see many threads like this in the forum is because of Fletch. Find a thread entitled "Conversations with God" in the archives, and you'll see what I mean. As i already said, I'm not going to get into it with him here. That's exactly what he is hoping for. I didn't start this thread. bigann did. She has been speculating on why Fletch hasn't shown up and i offered an opinion. Which proved to be right.

We all have an effect on everyone we encounter. Every interaction has an effect on us. You're right about that. But the idea that someone who has shown such little honesty and integrity as Fletch has can have some kind of trans-continental power over someone who has a very strong personal power of their own is silly, and isn't part of this discussion.


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/23/2009 at 08:31 PM

Bump ^!^!^!


SquatchTexas - 10/23/2009 at 08:34 PM

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This thread speaks for itself. You showed yourself. Period. Over the years you have put down those that believe differently as you do, and even done so from the point of view as considering yourself 'enlightened.' You bring in the New Age jargon to put down those that follow the Bible, and have done it blatantly and have developed a think skin about being called on it.


Youre such a sorry ass hypocrite considering your views on 'non believers'

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But, the fact that I am an anti-jargonite is irrelevant right now. This thread is self-explanatory, and your reaction to my not saying a word speaks volumes. So, I'll leave it there.

As for thoughts on the Noetic sciences, still to come.

DH


Google, google google...


tuna - 10/23/2009 at 08:35 PM

i think i will take 2 more adderall and a couple shots of tequila to go with that popcorn.


bigann - 10/23/2009 at 08:40 PM

I'm wondering how much longer it's going to take DfC to find enough material to cut and paste to throw in here. Seems to me if one has time to come in and insult another person....twice....there's time to comment on the subject matter at hand.

Let's talk about crystal bowls and tuning forks. I work with both of them. I have four large singing crystal bowls, the white kind specifically for healing, and I love them. My largest is about 18" across and it's tuned to F, the heart chakra. I've got a C, B and D also but really only one will work. As you tone the bowls, all of the notes are reaches as the volume ebbs and flows.

I also have a large number of tuning forks that correspond to the various chakras and organs in the body. My favorite is a 32 hz. that's the 'bone' healing fork. I guess I'm drawn to the lower frequencies for some reason. When using them, I hold them over the person on the table and also hold them on spefic areas to bring the body back into alighment.

When you think of Gregorian chanting and the yoga intonations, you get a sense of how you can use your own voice to create healing vibrations.

Still waiting......where's my popcorn?



tuna - 10/23/2009 at 08:53 PM

so the charge is that dfc is a bully and disrupts this kind of discussion? so this going to go bible thumper vs new age hypocrits? more popcorn please.


bigann - 10/23/2009 at 09:03 PM

I aske DfC what he knew about noetics as he began throwing the word around shortly after the Dan Brown book came out with noetics as a major part of the story line. He's been telling me he'd discuss it with me for two days now, however you see the kind of response we're getting.

This isn't about new age vs Bible. It's about scientifically proven information and its application to the human body and mind. Granted, it's a relatively new field, however it's all ancient information. The oldest use of tuning forks and singing bowls were in ancient Egypt. In fact, one of the theories, and it's only a theory, is that the pyramid blocks were moved along vibrations from giant tuning forks.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/23/2009 at 09:10 PM

That's why "New Age" is such a misnomer. I don't know where the term comes from. Everyone who meditates, or practicing healing arts, or does any of the things considered to be New Age know they are delving into something that is as old as mankind. The only thing "New Age" about it is that people who had been raised to think the Bible is the word of God sought out and discovered that there are other ways to view and approach the Divine, and there always has been.


bigann - 10/23/2009 at 09:20 PM

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That's why "New Age" is such a misnomer. I don't know where the term comes from. Everyone who meditates, or practicing healing arts, or does any of the things considered to be New Age know they are delving into something that is as old as mankind. The only thing "New Age" about it is that people who had been raised to think the Bible is the word of God sought out and discovered that there are other ways to view and approach the Divine, and there always has been.


Well stated.


tuna - 10/23/2009 at 09:21 PM

yes this is not new stuff. i study aikido. the things that you have mentioned are very similar in the core philosolphy. personally im not a big fan of new age type stuff but i do like to learn about stuff and try to keep an open mind. i dont mean to come across any particular way ...for or against...but the kind of things posted here should be able to be applied in real life and even on a message board.


bigann - 10/23/2009 at 09:44 PM

That's where noetics kicks in. It's the study of how collective energies can make things happen. As I said before group prayer is an excellent example. And the threads in the forums asking for healing vibes, prayers and good energy is another example of collective thoughts can help a situation.

Granted, in the grand scheme of our life plan, not all prayers are able to heal the sick, however, they can ease discomfort and sooth the soul so that the experience is lightened.

It doesn't matter what people call the energy...prayer, intention, manifestation, new age, etc., it still a coming together for a single purpose and it goes on in here all the time.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/23/2009 at 10:09 PM

Knowing it and putting it into practice are two different things, and part of the learning process. Just when you think you have it nailed, life throws a Fletch Halsey in your path.


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/23/2009 at 10:13 PM

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That's why "New Age" is such a misnomer. I don't know where the term comes from. Everyone who meditates, or practicing healing arts, or does any of the things considered to be New Age know they are delving into something that is as old as mankind. The only thing "New Age" about it is that people who had been raised to think the Bible is the word of God sought out and discovered that there are other ways to view and approach the Divine, and there always has been.
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Well stated.


No, not well stated. Are there other ways to view and approach the "Divine" than the Bible? Yes. Does the Bible get into it and have it right in a lot of the same ways? Yes, only the way it is taught is different. There is an unfortunate propensity for some of the New Age crowd to rip off every ancient belief known to man. The "Converations with God" man Neale Donald Walsch was mentioned above. Some how he has direct conversations with the Creator of the Universe yet turns around and rips off a Christmas story and falsely claims it as his own and says of the plagiarism, “I am chagrined and astonished that my mind could play such a trick on me.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/books/07book.html) And yet he is right and the Bible is wrong?

The recent case of the idiot behind The Secret is but one example. Repackiging old belief systems and charging folks to learn about it, this ripoff artist has taken it to the point of three people dying last week. More about this 'enlightened' New Age 'leader' is coming out in recent days;

The day after the deadly sweat lodge gathering, the remaining participants awoke to find a note on the table from a Ray staffer, "saying James was in prayer and meditation." That, Bunn said, was the last she heard from the man so many trusted with their lives and spiritual awakening. "We trusted him," Bunn said. "We trusted in what he was teaching us."

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http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCallPlus/arizona-sweat-lodge-survivor-jam es-arthur-ray-abandoned/story?id=8897573

'Sweat Lodge' Survivor Says James Arthur Ray Abandoned Participants

Beverly Bunn Said Ray Left After Deaths and 'Never Came Back'

By SARAH NETTER and KATE McCARTHY
Oct. 23, 2009—


One of the survivors of the Arizona sweat lodge disaster said that as participants lay dying and injured, leader James Arthur Ray simply left the scene.

"James Ray pretty much abandoned all of us. He left us there to figure out what was going on," orthodontist Beverly Bunn told "Good Morning America" today. "After the incident he never came back."

Bunn's roommate at the Sedona spiritual retreat was Kirby Brown, one of the three people who died after being crammed into a makeshift tent and subjected to 120-degree heat that was supposed to cleanse their bodies.

Bunn, trained in CPR as part of her medical credentials, said she repeatedly tried to perform the life-saving measures on her friend, but was continuously rebuffed by Ray's employees known as the "Dream Team."

"I told them about 10 times, 'I know CPR, I know CPR,'" she said. "They kept pulling me away and pulling me away."

Detectives are now investigating the deaths as a possible homicide, though no charges have been filed.

In addition to Brown, James Shore, 40, and Liz Neuman, 49, died after enduring the sweat lodge. Neuman spent more than a week in a coma and died Oct. 17. Eighteen others were injured.

Another survivor, Sidney Spencer, 59, is now suing Ray, saying she nearly died from kidney and liver failure.

"Mr. Ray created a death trap," Spencer's attorney, Ted Schmidt, told "GMA" today. "And created a heat environment in that sweat lodge that was intolerable for human beings."

The two women were among dozens who paid $9,000 for the five-day retreat with Ray, a motivational speaker.

Bunn said Ray, who sat near the only opening of the tent, allowing fresh air in only to accept more heated rocks, didn't seem overly concerned when people became ill, some of them vomiting.

"That was actually considered your body actually purging it's toxins," Bunn said. "I guess he felt that was a good thing."

The day after the deadly sweat lodge gathering, the remaining participants awoke to find a note on the table from a Ray staffer, "saying James was in prayer and meditation."

That, Bunn said, was the last she heard from the man so many trusted with their lives and spiritual awakening.

"We trusted him," Bunn said. "We trusted in what he was teaching us."

Investigators Probing 'Sweat Lodge' Deaths

Ray, a frequent guest on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" who helped write the best-selling documentary and book, "The Secret," has refused all interview requests, but in a message on his Web site he told followers that he felt their pain, and that while he was also investigating what went wrong, he is determined to continue with his self-help ministry.

Other participants inside have said they were screaming "We need water," vomiting and fighting to stay alive.

Brown, a surfer and hiker, was in excellent health, according to her family.

"She was the picture of perfect health," Tom McFeeley, Brown's cousin, told "Good Morning America" Oct. 12. "Nobody could keep up with her physically or in any other way. She was just that type of person."

Brown had been to other retreats hosted by Ray, even bringing her parents, but none of them required a physical component to his teachings, McFeeley said.

"We have not heard from Mr. Ray or anyone in his organization," McFeeley said. "It does surprise us, based on the type of man we thought he was."

But McFeeley was quick to point out that the Brown family does not have any ill-will toward Ray, saying it's dangerous to make assumptions when they still have so many unanswered questions.

"For us to even have anger or any such emotion is pointless at this point," he said. "There will be plenty of time to react to the truth."





There are many belief systems and spiritual paths to follow, learn about, have an open mind about and utilize. But we wary of the New Agers who view themselves as 'enlightened,' who put other belief systems down to further their own, who put down others who believe differently and who bring out the atypical New Age jargon as if they know things you are unable to comprehend, and of course, those like Neale Donald Walsch and James Ray of The Secret and others who want your money.

Here is the Native American response to the James Ray's of the world;

" I would like to clarify that this lodge, and many others, are not our ceremonial way of life because of the way they are being conducted."

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http://www.indiancountrytoday.com/opinion/64486777.html

Concerning the deaths in Sedona
By Arvol Looking Horse

Story Published: Oct 16, 2009



As Keeper of our Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe Bundle, I am concerned for the two deaths and illnesses of the many people who participated in a sweat lodge in Sedona, Ariz. that brought our sacred rite under fire in the news. I would like to clarify that this lodge, and many others, are not our ceremonial way of life because of the way they are being conducted. My prayers go out to the families and loved ones for their loss.

Our ceremonies are about life and healing. From the time this ancient ceremonial rite was given to our people, never has death been a part of our inikaga (life within) when conducted properly. Today, the rite is interpreted as a sweat lodge. It is much more than that. The term does not fit our real meaning of purification.

Inikaga is the oldest ceremony brought to us by Wakan Tanka (Great Spirit). Nineteen generations ago, the Lakota/Dakota/Nakota oyate (people) were given seven sacred rites of healing by a Spirit Woman, Pte San Win (White Buffalo Calf Woman). She brought these rites along with the sacred Canupa (pipe) to our people, when our ancestors were suffering from a difficult time. It was also brought for the future to help us for much more difficult times to come. They were brought to help us stay connected to who we are as a traditional cultural people.

The values of conduct are very strict in any of these ceremonies, because we work with spirit. The Creator, Wakan Tanka, told us that if we stay humble and sincere, we will keep that connection with the inyan oyate (the stone people), who we call the Grandfathers, to be able to heal ourselves and loved ones. We have a gift of prayer and healing and have to stay humble with our Unci Maka (Grandmother Earth) and with one another. The inikaga is used in all of the seven sacred rites to prepare and finish the ceremonies, along with the sacred eagle feather. The feather represents the sacred knowledge of our ancestors.

Our First Nations people have to earn the right to pour the mini wiconi (water of life) upon the inyan oyate in creating Inikaga by going on the vision quest for four years and four years to Sundance. Then you are put through a ceremony to be painted, to recognize that you have now earned the right to take care of someone’s life through purification. They should also be able to understand our sacred language, to be able to understand the messages from the Grandfathers, because they are ancient, they are our spirit ancestors. They walk and teach the values of our culture in being humble, wise, caring and compassionate.

What has happened in the news with the makeshift sauna called the “sweat lodge” is not our ceremonial way of life.

When you do ceremony, you can not have money on your mind. We deal with the pure sincere energy to create healing that comes from everyone in that circle of ceremony. The heart and mind must be connected. When you involve money, it changes the energy of healing. The person wants to get what they paid for. The Spirit Grandfathers will not be there. Our way of life is now being exploited. You do more damage than good. No mention of monetary energy should exist in healing, not even with a can of love donations. When that energy exists, they will not even come. Only after the ceremony, between the person that is being healed and the intercessor who has helped connect with the Great Spirit, can the energy of money be given out of appreciation. That exchange of energy is from the heart; it is private and does not involve the Grandfathers. Whatever gift of appreciation the person who received help can now give is acceptable. They can give the intercessor whatever they feel their healing is worth.

In our prophecy, the White Buffalo Calf Woman told us she would return and stand upon the earth when we are having a hard time. In 1994, this began to happen with the birth of the white buffalo. Not only their nation, but many animal nations began to show their sacred color, which is white. She predicted that at this time there would be many changes upon Grandmother Earth. There would be things that we never experienced or heard of before: Climate changes, earth changes, diseases, disrespect for life and they would be shocking. There would also be many false prophets.

My Grandmother who passed the bundle to me said I would be the last Keeper if the oyate do not straighten up. The assaults upon Grandmother Earth are horrendous, the assaults toward one another was not in our culture, the assaults against our people have been termed as genocide, and now we are experiencing spiritual genocide.

Because of the problems that began to arise with our rebirth and being able to do our ceremonies in the open since the Freedom of Religion Act of 1978, our elders began talking to me about the abuses they have seen in our ceremonial way of life, which was once very strict.

It is forbidden to film or photograph any of our ceremonies.

After many years of witnessing their warnings, we held a meeting to address the lack of protocol in our ceremonies. After reaching an agreement to address the misconduct of our ceremonies and to remind of the proper protocols, a statement was made in March 2003. Every effort was made to ensure our way of life of who we are as traditional cultural people, because these ways are for our future and all life upon Grandmother Earth (Mitakuye Oyasin, all my relations), so that they may have good health. Because these atrocities are being mocked and practiced all over the world, we even made a film called “Spirits for Sale.”

The non-Native people have a right to seek help from our First Nation intercessors for good health and well-being. It is up to that intercessor. That is a privilege for all people that we gift for being able to have good health and understand that their protocol is to have respect and appreciate what we have to share. The First Nations intercessor has to earn that right to our ceremonial way of life in the ways I have explained.

At this time, I would like to ask all nations upon Grandmother Earth to please respect our sacred ceremonial way of life and stop the exploitation of our Tunka Oyate (Spiritual Grandfathers).

In a Sacred Hoop of Life, where there is no ending and no beginning, namahu yo (hear my words).

Chief Arvol Looking Horse is the 19th generation Keeper of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe Bundle.




SantaCruzBluz - 10/23/2009 at 10:32 PM

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There are many belief systems and spiritual paths to follow, learn about, have an open mind about and utilize. But we wary of the Helical Fletches who view themselves as 'enlightened,' who put other belief systems down to further their own, who put down others who believe differently.


Amen.


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/23/2009 at 10:40 PM

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Amen.


And yet it describes you to an absolute "T." But you forgot the rest of it;

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But be wary of the New Agers who view themselves as 'enlightened,' who put other belief systems down to further their own, who put down others who believe differently and who bring out the atypical New Age jargon as if they know things you are unable to comprehend, and of course, those like Neale Donald Walsch and James Ray of The Secret and others who want your money.



[Edited on 10/23/2009 by DerekFromCincinnati]


SantaCruzBluz - 10/23/2009 at 10:48 PM

This is all stuff Fletch has posted before. Over and over again. This is all he has to add to a discussion on spirituality. This has been his constant pattern for 6 years or so. He must have the posts saved so he can just cut and paste them.

Did I predict what he would do, or did I cause it?


bigann - 10/23/2009 at 11:02 PM

So far the king of cut and paste hasn't addressed the topic at hand. It leads me to the obvious conclusion he not only doesn't know anything about noetics, but he doesn't understand a single thing I've written.

Nice try at faking it.....but drive on through if that's all you've got.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/23/2009 at 11:05 PM

Yeah, go catch some terrapins!


bigann - 10/23/2009 at 11:09 PM

Even terrapins have some relativivity to the topic in that Native Americans and other cultures have different wisdoms associate to different creatures.


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/24/2009 at 12:43 AM

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So far the king of cut and paste hasn't addressed the topic at hand. It leads me to the obvious conclusion he not only doesn't know anything about noetics, but he doesn't understand a single thing I've written.



Now that's funny. Even you doesn't what had believe 'jat.

Patience, as minimalist psuedo-silence is still reaping benefits with the human rorschach puppets.


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 12:51 AM

Now that's funny. Even you doesn't what had believe 'jat.

WTF? That's supposed to impress me.....that and your 'silence' thing. If you knew a thing about the subject you would have replied by now......all you've been doing is bobbing and weaving to avoid any kind of direct response. My point made. You read Dan Brown's book and dicovered noetics....your mistake was throwing it around like you know what you're talking about.

Go forth, Grasshopper....you've crushed the rice paper and need to learn to walk more softly.


Slimzimm - 10/24/2009 at 12:51 AM

Won't happen, but I'd like to take one of those vacations way down south of the border where you hang out with a Shaman.


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 01:11 AM

I see DfC dropped by for a quick insult and then split.

Until he finishes reading up on the subject, let's move on to Reiki energies.

I don't know how many have heard of Reiki energy but it's essentially a way to access the universal energies. Jesus was said to be the ultimate Reiki master. Everyone has the ability to access reiki energy without formal training although there are several classes offered. Children are able to channel reiki energy without training and whether people realize it or not, at some time or another they've accessed and channeled the healing energies. I harken back to a the example of a parent holding a child or other loved one. Iti's that energy you feel leaving your and surrounding the other person. On a beginner's level, that's reiki.

There are several reiki attunements offered but after studying several different forms of reiki, I've realized each is only a different door to the same energy. Reiki is a facet of noetics.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/24/2009 at 01:36 AM

I guess Fletch thinks he's creating some suspense, and that everyone is waiting for his words of wisdom. The simple truth is he has nothing more to add. He'll continue to repeat the same nonsense he's been repeating for years. Pretty amazing the obsession he has with a writer he's never read. You start a thread of a spiritual nature, and like Pavlov's dog, all he knows to do is bark "Neal Donald Walsch" over and over again. I don't even know what his point it. There are thousands of books on the subject written by other people, but it this man he is obsessed with. Maybe he's jealous of the man's success. Maybe that's all he really knows about spiritual matters, what he read on a website denouncing a writer.


tuna - 10/24/2009 at 01:42 AM

from wiki

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Some Western authors loosely translate reiki as "universal life energy"

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Aikido is often translated as "the Way of unifying (with) life energy" or as "the Way of harmonious spirit."


"Ki" is the common character of the two.

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Reiki is a facet of noetics.


no wonder it sounded so familiar.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/24/2009 at 01:51 AM

There are a whole lot of reiki practitioners in this area. I had one "session" with a friend before she moved, and it was something different, for sure.


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 02:08 AM

Taking care and knowing I am loved

I just caught your signature. ROTFLMAO!


tuna - 10/24/2009 at 02:52 AM

now it gets interesting. Aikido is a martial art that uses harmony or blending against an attack rather than impact. the founder of Aikido was a very religious person and practiced a form of Shinto. I am not even going to pretend to understand his beliefs but his religion described sounds (kotodama ) as being at the heart of the universe.

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The notion of kotodama presupposes that sounds can magically affect objects, and that ritual word usages can influence our environment, body, mind, and soul.


http://www.aikidojournal.com/article?articleID=264



tuna - 10/24/2009 at 02:54 AM

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Taking care and knowing I am loved

I just caught your signature. ROTFLMAO!
lana actually popped in and blessed me..

http://allmanbrothers.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=v iewthread&tid=99384



[Edited on 10/24/2009 by tuna]


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 03:16 AM

The notion of kotodama presupposes that sounds can magically affect objects, and that ritual word usages can influence our environment, body, mind, and soul.

Thank you for posting that quote. It's what we've been talking about in this thread....how sounds and words can affect things. It appears to be the same thing, different name.


tuna - 10/24/2009 at 03:27 AM

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The notion of kotodama presupposes that sounds can magically affect objects, and that ritual word usages can influence our environment, body, mind, and soul.

Thank you for posting that quote. It's what we've been talking about in this thread....how sounds and words can affect things. It appears to be the same thing, different name.
you're welcome. that may be the first actual content i ever posted here.


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/24/2009 at 05:35 AM

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Now that's funny. Even you doesn't what had believe 'jat.

WTF? That's supposed to impress me.....that and your 'silence' thing. If you knew a thing about the subject you would have replied by now......all you've been doing is bobbing and weaving to avoid any kind of direct response. My point made. You read Dan Brown's book and dicovered noetics....


Your point NOT made, and you might want to reboot. I'm used to lights going out when I walk, bike or drive past them. You'd think your intuitive abilities would have more success with such an aura.


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 06:26 AM

Okay, so you're a 'slider'....or at least know about them. Still no intelligent discussion of the topic....and I've been waiting. I assume you're not going to do anything but snipe and run. Fine with me. How many posts now and yet nothing? I get it....you really don't know what the topic is really about. Not a problem. Slide on through.


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 06:34 AM

And for those who haven't heard of SLIders before, here's a link to something on the topic. We have a daughter who can knock out street lights, parking lot lights and together we've knocked out lights in shopping centers and closed down a ward in one hospital. She can touch any electric appliance and if she's in a hyperkinetic state it will never work again. Nine out of ten times, whatever cash register I'm next to will malfunction. I'm lucky I've still got a working computer.

http://paranormal.about.com/od/telekinesispsychokinesis/a/aa052508.htm


SquatchTexas - 10/24/2009 at 12:45 PM

Derek must be the opposite. Every time he posts, my bullshiat meter goes crazy.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/24/2009 at 01:54 PM

If Fletch knew how stupid he sounds, he'd stop. But he doesn't, and he won't.

tuna, it is a known fact that repeating a sound over and over has manifestation powers. I've only dabbled in it, but enough to know it works. Even the Bible says is was God's spoken word that created the Universe.


alloak41 - 10/24/2009 at 02:25 PM

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Yes, you've got the right idea. Once we have an understanding of the energy around us and within us, we can use it to make positive changes in ourselves and for the greater good.

Here's a quick way to use the sun and color. Take a colored bottle....usually a dark green wine bottle is a good one to start with. Green vibrates to the heart chakra and will produce a mild solar water. Fill the bottle with distilled water, put the cap on and set it outside in the sun. In the winter, it takes longer because the sun isn't as strong, but in the summer it takes two to three hours. Bring the water in and drink a glass or two through out the day to get the most benefit.

Different colored bottles produce different 'flavored' water. The violet, blue, turquoise and pink bottles are more for consuming in the evening as they're very 'restful' waters. The orange, yellow and red bottles produce a more 'energetic' waters best for drinking in the morning and early afternoon.

If you don't have colored bottles, you can purchase colored celophane that will also work....just wrap it aound a clear bottle and secure it with a rubber band. When I started drinking the solar waters I was amazed at the difference, although slight, in taste and effect.

I'm basically a skeptic believer so if it doesn't work for me, I don't use the techniques on other people. With solar water, you get the benefit of the sun and the vibrations of the colors. This is something simple and easy to try.


Interesting. For a while now, Ive been placing bottled water in the sun before using it. I believe it has energizing powers, but Ive never thought of using colored bottles.


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 04:42 PM

Last night before I went to bed I was thinking of something else I wanted to share in this thread. I don't know how many of you have heard of the Indigo and Crystal children but they've come among us.

The indigo children are so called because of the color of their aura. These are the kids who are often labeled trouble makers and ADD and rather than embracing their message, often they're put on medication to calm then down. These are the the children who have come to cut through the old way of doing things, to strike down tradition.....much as someone is walking through a jungle with a machete cuts the growth out of the way for others to pass. I have an Indigo granddaughter...possibly two.

Which leads to the crystal children. These children are drawn immediatly to crystals and it's one way to identify them. When they are able to have them around, these children will hold crystals, look at them and eventually interact with the energies. These children are bright, gentle souls who follow the Indigos who have made the path for them. They come to teach us love and patience and kindness. I have two crystal grandchildren and another little girl I consider one of my grandchildren. My lliving room is filled with various crystals and these children would spend all afternoon in there if they had time.

I've noticed a new wave of babies being born I call the star seed babies. These little ones haven't reached their full potential yet but I know they're here to lead those who will listen back to the 'new' old ways.' The first child I recognized as being a star seed child is the grandson of a friend of mine. He's been diagnosed with a functioning autism, but this child is so smart he finds it difficult to relate to others around him so he got a label.

A lot of these children are being given labels and medications because they're being misunderstood and the hope is, a few of them will make it out of childhood with their gifts intact to do the job they're here to do which is make this world a better place.

I just thought I'd mention it because it's interesting to watch these children grow and I'm betting some of you know of one or two yourselves.


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 04:42 PM

Last night before I went to bed I was thinking of something else I wanted to share in this thread. I don't know how many of you have heard of the Indigo and Crystal children but they've come among us.

The indigo children are so called because of the color of their aura. These are the kids who are often labeled trouble makers and ADD and rather than embracing their message, often they're put on medication to calm then down. These are the the children who have come to cut through the old way of doing things, to strike down tradition.....much as someone is walking through a jungle with a machete cuts the growth out of the way for others to pass. I have an Indigo granddaughter...possibly two.

Which leads to the crystal children. These children are drawn immediatly to crystals and it's one way to identify them. When they are able to have them around, these children will hold crystals, look at them and eventually interact with the energies. These children are bright, gentle souls who follow the Indigos who have made the path for them. They come to teach us love and patience and kindness. I have two crystal grandchildren and another little girl I consider one of my grandchildren. My lliving room is filled with various crystals and these children would spend all afternoon in there if they had time.

I've noticed a new wave of babies being born I call the star seed babies. These little ones haven't reached their full potential yet but I know they're here to lead those who will listen back to the 'new' old ways.' The first child I recognized as being a star seed child is the grandson of a friend of mine. He's been diagnosed with a functioning autism, but this child is so smart he finds it difficult to relate to others around him so he got a label.

A lot of these children are being given labels and medications because they're being misunderstood and the hope is, a few of them will make it out of childhood with their gifts intact to do the job they're here to do which is make this world a better place.

I just thought I'd mention it because it's interesting to watch these children grow and I'm betting some of you know of one or two yourselves.


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 04:44 PM

Here are a couple of websites if you want more information:

http://www.indigochild.com/

http://naturalmedicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/indigo_kids_and_crystal_chi ldren


SantaCruzBluz - 10/24/2009 at 05:36 PM

I've known about the Indigo children for quite awhile, but not the crystal children. I'll check it out. There's no doubt in my mind that some of our children are the wisest souls we ever encounter.


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/24/2009 at 07:41 PM

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Okay, so you're a 'slider'....or at least know about them.




More than "know about them.' I don't seek out to make it happen, it just does. It could be the angels following above and around me, however, as I am here for a reason.

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Still no intelligent discussion of the topic....and I've been waiting. I assume you're not going to do anything but snipe and run. Fine with me. How many posts now and yet nothing? I get it....you really don't know what the topic is really about. Not a problem. Slide on through.




Wrong. Patience. My time, not yours. That may work with others, but you should know by now that it doesn't work with me.

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Derek must be the opposite. Every time he posts, my bullshiat meter goes crazy.



Ah, the mind-frozen-in-a-block-of-ice athiest chimes in. Yessir. This thread is kind of like the music threads, squank, Betty, whomever, you're in over your head.


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 07:44 PM

My time, your time....however long it takes you to read up on the subject because it's totally obvious you're hitting the learning curve at a hard clip. That's okay sunshine.....take your time. In the meantime, some of us who actually know what we're talking about will continue the discussion without you.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/24/2009 at 08:18 PM

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More than "know about them.' I don't seek out to make it happen, it just does. It could be the angels following above and around me, however, as I am here for a reason.





How does this make you any different than anyone else, Fletch? We're all here for a reason, and we all have angels and guides. I thought you knew that.


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/24/2009 at 08:25 PM

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My time, your time....however long it takes you to read up on the subject because it's totally obvious you're hitting the learning curve at a hard clip. That's okay sunshine.....take your time. In the meantime, some of us who actually know what we're talking about will continue the discussion without you.




I haven't googled any of it. There is nothing new about this. I have more pressing things to do at the moment. The only thing I've done in the past week instead of doing interviews, transcribing interviews and doing my magic and putting things together with deadlines looming is taking some time out to learn about the travels of and studying the writings of Ibn Battutah, and finding things there that pertain to the topic of this thread from an Islamic point of view. A good start is the excellent three-part on-the-road documentary by Tim Mackintosh-Smith called "Travels With A Tangerine" originally aired on BBC4 a few years ago, then on the National Geographic Channel when it was titled "Camels, Courts, and Concubines," and now on one of my 13 PBS channels that I get here. The follow-in-the-footsteps program is about Battutah's journey of "75,000 miles, 40 countries and three continents in a 30-year odyssey" from his home in Morocco and eventually to China over 600 years ago, including his encounter with a mysterious mystic along the way. It is based on Battutah's own writings about that journey which you can find and read online. You can get a good taste of the TV documentary by these eight 6 to 10-minute youtube videos from the show here - http://tinyurl.com/ykhd7zc.

DH


SantaCruzBluz - 10/24/2009 at 08:42 PM

See post above to see what Fletch has found so far on his Google search. ^^^


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/24/2009 at 08:51 PM

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How does this make you any different than anyone else, Fletch? We're all here for a reason, and we all have angels and guides. I thought you knew that.




But be wary of the New Agers who view themselves as 'enlightened,' who put other belief systems down to further their own, who put down others who believe differently and who bring out the atypical New Age jargon as if they know things you are unable to comprehend, and of course, those like Neale Donald Walsch and James Ray of The Secret and others who want your money.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/24/2009 at 08:54 PM

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How does this make you any different than anyone else, Fletch? We're all here for a reason, and we all have angels and guides. I thought you knew that.




But be wary of the New Agers who view themselves as 'enlightened,' who put other belief systems down to further their own, who put down others who believe differently and who bring out the atypical New Age jargon as if they know things you are unable to comprehend, and of course, those like Neale Donald Walsch and James Ray of The Secret and others who want your money.







You really can't post here without mentioning NDW can you, Fletch?


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More than "know about them.' I don't seek out to make it happen, it just does. It could be the angels following above and around me, however, as I am here for a reason.



How does this make you any different than anyone else, Fletch? We're all here for a reason, and we all have angels and guides. I thought you knew that.


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 08:58 PM

I don't know anyone who is putting down anyone else's religion or belief system I know on occasion I've responded to someone who is putting down everyone elses and I know of no 'new agers' who are trying to tell anyone he or she knows more than they do and that it's some big secret.

In fact, this thread is about helping people who want to know how we, as humans, fit into the universal energies an understanding of how it all works. As for me, the things I've mentioned are being scientifically studied so there's no hocus pocus here. And if someone's never heard about things we're discussing, there's a wealth of information on the internet about the subjects.

It seems to me that you are the one feeling threatened. Your posts are not informative and you're not participating in any discussion of the subjects. I can only assume you don't know what we're talking about and that's the source of your feelings of inadequacy.

You might actually check out some of the things we're talking about....expand your horizons. And if not, at least have some relevant differences of opinion to bring to the table.


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 09:06 PM

Here is a good site with an overview of ''sound you all might find interesting.

http://www.crystalsingingbowls.com/about_crystal_singing_bowls.htm#What%20i s%20Sound?


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/24/2009 at 09:06 PM

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I don't know anyone who is putting down anyone else's religion or belief system


Johnny Coydog and his pretentious Thinskin Cap has done it many times, especially when it comes to the Bible, and done so while literally viewing himself as enlightened. Actually, Ann, I do NOT include you in that as you have avoided doing so, just to be clear.

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In fact, this thread is about helping people who want to know how we, as humans, fit into the universal energies an understanding of how it all works. As for me, the things I've mentioned are being scientifically studied so there's no hocus pocus here. And if someone's never heard about things we're discussing, there's a wealth of information on the internet about the subjects.



I agree with all of that, although be clear that your opinions are just that, your opinions and not gospel just because you state it as truth. Past that, yes.

But look at the beginning of the thread. Fascinating actually, as I knew there was power in nothing, power in silence, power in not posting at all, and look at the response and what unfolded.

Meanwhile, here is another good example;

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You really can't post here without mentioning NDW can you, Fletch?



Guess who introduced Neale Donald Walsch and mentioned "Conversations With God" in this thread first??

It wasn't me. See page two.

DH


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 09:13 PM

So, let's talk about noetics.


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 09:14 PM

I meant that seriously. As someone who relates to nature like you do, it should be an interesting discussion.


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/24/2009 at 10:24 PM

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The oldest use of tuning forks and singing bowls were in ancient Egypt. In fact, one of the theories, and it's only a theory, is that the pyramid blocks were moved along vibrations from giant tuning forks.



Briefly, for now, and this may be off topic a bit but I've been thinking about it- Not sure about the tuning fork theory but it is possible. A lot of this is basic and has always been known in a sense. In my opinion, which is all this is, a big part of this physical plain is simply vibration, movement that invokes different levels of heat from the stillness of absolute zero and higher. Much in the way that all humans have lived every second of their lives in a magnetic field, at least on this Earth anyway, vibration affects all aspects of our lives here. Because there is a constant connection with the other levels of the spiritual universe to us here expereiencing hands-on physical life, the spiritual has to involve vibration if it deals with this physical plain. Ok, the above is obvious.

Tony Rice, one of the best guitarist in the world today, still uses pitch forks to tune his guitar. It is a matter of connecting the vibration of the strings with the vibration of the tuning forks at the same time, in the same room. What I am getting to in a roundabout way is the power of music. There is more to music than just different vibrations heard by the human ear. Why are there notes?? Why do we give a damn about notes?? The fact is, an "a" note here is an "a" note in India, and all around the world. But why is it seemingly universal? If a note is flat or sharp, why does it matter, and why don't the flat and sharp notes sound right? What it connotates is a universal pattern, and a universal pattern connotates a Creator. Certain sets of notes arrange themselves as being in the same key. Why?? Says who?? Who made those rules up to begin with??

Music communicates, heals and pleases using vibration, yet it follows patterns that can only be construed as being created by the Creator. Where else did it come from?? Man discovered the musical patterns of 'keys' and not the other way around. We didn't invent them, but found them. The important thing to note is that it isn't a concept unique only to the wiring of the human brain. One artist that I have been into for years is Paul Winter. His Paul Winter Consort group recorded an album back in 1977 that explored the music of animals of the Earth. He took the musical sounds of animals recorded in the wild, wolf, whale and eagle and melded it with the music of his band. The most famous passage was the recording he made where he got a wolf in the wild to specifically respond to his calls made by his saxohone to the point of imitating the notes he sent out into the night. What he discovered is that nature has a key, that a lot if not most animals, from birds who sing to the songs of the whales, are done in the key of D-flat. With the field recordings on his album, the wolf, eagle and whale all sang their songs in D-flat.


It gets deeper. Many believe that there are note and chord patterns that reflect the power of the universe more than others. I listened to guitarist Steve Kimock talk to a fan one time about how he believed that the chord patterns and usage of musical keys by the musicians of India and Pakistan, who use different patterns than we do in the West, was the right way to use music. While it sounds strange to our ears, they are closer to opening up why music interacts with the human brain than we are, at least from their point of view. I interviewed Kimock about it earlier this summer about this very thing but I have yet to transcibe it. I'll have to find it.

That is not to say that we have it wrong, just that they take it to a different level which connotates theire versions of meditation and expansion of the mind sans drugs, the release of the mind from the too many thoughts your brain produces at any given time so that the mind's eye can be a useful portal, etc. In a different view, Linnie, for instance, taught me a lot about the use of the sound of a solitary bell combined with her Buddhist meditation.

On the other hand, I was at the Clifftop festival last August and walked by the old Chestnut Lodge located on top of the New River Gorge in West Virginia where they were having an a cappella shape-note-based group sing and workshop hosted by musician Alice Gerrard, and I heard the singing through a window and decided to check it out. I walked into the large room and watched as she expertly led a group of volunteers, musicians and non-musicians, to sing a certain way and learn to sing in a certain way, and she had been working with them for a while. When they kicked into "Who Will Sing For Me" and the voices blended and filled the room, and there thankfully wasn't a bad note Barney Fife in the bunch, it literally gave me chills and had an affect on my mind and body that was stunning. I had no control over it. It wasn't something that my brain was imposing on itself. I wasn't looking for the experience. I simply stopped in for a minute to see what they doing. Yet, the collective power of a group of singers all on the same page, all focused for a common sonic experience, brought forth a vibration that lifted me up in a way that hadn't happened in a very long time. I was beyond moved, and it had a physical affect on me that was positive and beyond real. It was as valid as any similar experience that anyone in India or Pakistan would have. It was beyond simply the words of the song, although that was an integral part of it. It was the focused vibration of sounds created with a purpose that phyically affected me as well. Incredible. Have you ever been moved by something and the end result be that tingling feeling racing up your back, with all the nerve endings forwarding the wave, and it envelopes your whole head and you achieve a momentary yet spectacular state of bliss?? That times ten.

Now, would a recording of that played by someone a long ways away have the same affect?? Sure. It is possible. Would groups of people who decided to sing a song like this in an effort to send good vibes to someone somewhere else who couldn't hear it be effective?? I believe yes. Bill Monroe was bad sick towards the end of his life and came out of a bad spell by specifically mentioning a group of churchs in West Virginia that focused on him and let him know they were focusing on him with prayer and song and he said it made a difference. But I believe, whether it is an Appalachian church or a reiki session or any number of healing belief systems, there is no replacement for the hands on, in the same room affect that happens when you experience it in person. cause and affect. Focused power.


What was the question??

DH


tuna - 10/24/2009 at 11:31 PM

the only thing that didnt jive was 'briefly for now'. i wonder what would be a long response. i did enjoy reading that.


bigann - 10/24/2009 at 11:34 PM

Your post encompasses much that is relevant to sound healing. There is a story that the universe was sung into creation and that we're all born in harmony with everything. I've also read that music is the closest angels come to communicating with humans and I believe it. How many times have we watched a player go off somewhere as their guitar or whatever instrument they're playing creates sounds no one has ever thought of before. I believe that's when the fully attuned are channeling the sounds of the universe.

I can tell the difference between songs that are crafted and those that have come from 'the heart.' The energy is completely differnt and the way we receive the songs have different feels.

As I said before, all of everything around us is vibrating to everything within us. How we use that knowledge is what's important.

Below is an interesting article I read a while back. I don't know who wrote it or I'd give proper credit:

There are only two worlds. The world within and the world without.

The world within creates the world without.

The world within is mental/spiritual, the world without is material/physical.

Complete understanding of the two worlds is perfect knowledge.

The key is to understand the world within and use it to rule the world without.

The world within is the cause, the world without is the effect.

The inner governs the outer always. The outer is a reflection of the inner.

The outer conditions mirror the inner consciousness.

The world within and the world without are not two separate worlds. They are two different levels of the same world.

The world is mental. All is mind, the universe is mental. As above so below, as within so without. This is secret knowledge.

The two most important kinds of knowledge are secret knowledge and governing knowledge. One gives you awareness, the other gives you power.

Secret Knowledge is knowing how things work and understanding what’s going on. The reason why it is secret is because it is not normally known. It is so powerful that only those with insight and perception can appreciate its value. Only conscious people can see reality for what it really is.

When you have this knowledge, you can use it first to govern yourself, then use it to govern everything else. This is called using secret knowledge as governing knowledge.

Governing knowledge is knowledge that runs your psyche. It is the governing statements of your mind that determine what you do, how you do it and why you do it. It is the operating dynamics that controls your thoughts, your emotions and your behaviors. What governs your mind, governs your reality.

By governing yourself, you can govern the world. When you can control yourself, you can control others.

You can only control what is without by controlling what is within. All control is self control.

To be in control, you must know. All knowledge is self knowledge.

You can overcome something by overcoming it within. When you overcome it within yourself, you overcome it in the world.


tuna - 10/25/2009 at 12:15 AM

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You can only control what is without by controlling what is within. All control is self control.

To be in control, you must know. All knowledge is self knowledge.

You can overcome something by overcoming it within. When you overcome it within yourself, you overcome it in the world.


masakatsu agatsu

[Edited on 10/25/2009 by tuna]


bigann - 10/25/2009 at 12:36 AM

"True victory is victory over ones self' I love google..without it I'd know a lot less than I do now.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/25/2009 at 12:39 AM

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I don't know anyone who is putting down anyone else's religion or belief system


Johnny Coydog and his pretentious Thinskin Cap has done it many times, especially when it comes to the Bible, and done so while literally viewing himself as enlightened.

DH




I love that cute name, Fletch. I see that and I think of your big, round face and your size 50 blue jeans, and I literally...LOL.

Here's what's funny. You've run that exact same post, or one very similar, at least one hundred times on this website. Every time you do you look stupider and stupider. Why? Because everyone here knows exactly what I've posted. Whether you agree or not, Fletch, I have the right to say I think some of the stuff in the Bible is a bunch of hooie. That is me expressing my views about a particular religion. Your replies are you putting down my belief system. You've done it so many times, while accusing me of doing it, that intelligent people have to wonder if you're packing a full sea bag.

And what is even funnier is the actual Christians on this site don't have a problem with me expressing my beliefs, but you have been acting like a rabid dog about it for years. You expend more negative energy on a man who you've never met, whose books you've never read, and who I mentioned here one time. i doubt you had even heard of him, but you immediately did a Google search, found some "dirt," and your one track mind has been squealing about it ever since.

I think your whole "in my time" thing is hilarious. I know you desperately want to avoid falling flat on your face like you've done a number of times recently, so I don't blame you for trying to gather some ducks and get them in a row. You really are a hoot to observe.

With all that said, while most of what you mentioned above is common knowledge in many circles, there was some interesting stuff. You could save yourself a lot of embarrassment if you'd keep your posts more civil, like the one above.


bigann - 10/25/2009 at 01:35 AM

I'll say this about the book Conversations with God. Like it or hate it, our daughter read the book and began her spiritual journey. She didn't just stop with the book and embrace it as her total truth, but it woke her up and started her looking. I read some of it and didn't have a problem with it at all. It's just a book. Make of it what you will.


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/25/2009 at 01:59 AM

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I love that cute name, Fletch. I see that and I think of your big, round face and your size 50 blue jeans, and I literally...LOL.




Size 38", which will be proven soon enough. Good try.

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Whether you agree or not, Fletch, I have the right to say I think some of the stuff in the Bible is a bunch of hooie.


Once again, good try as you go further to the point of putting down those that don't believe as you do, and try and do so while trying to put yourself on the perch of 'enlightened' and all because of some mental issue due to bad experiences with some Southern baptists, or whatever it is, and then the New Age jargon comes out.. Again, I'm no psychologist. If you want to believe that before he came to earth Hitler chose before he was born to start a war that killed 50 million and committ genocide that killed 6 million and then was given a pat on the back after he died and went back to the other side, have at it. But you've gone further than that. Pretty simple, actually.

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I'll say this about the book Conversations with God. Like it or hate it, our daughter read the book and began her spiritual journey. She didn't just stop with the book and embrace it as her total truth, but it woke her up and started her looking. I read some of it and didn't have a problem with it at all. It's just a book. Make of it what you will.



She might be interested in that made up plagiarized Christmas story he ripped off last Christmas. At least it was a feel good story. I love the part where he responded to it by saying, “I am chagrined and astonished that my mind could play such a trick on me.” Does that apply to his direct conversations with God?? I'm not a psychologist. He may believe his own BS and also considers himself 'enlighetened,' whatever.

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Your post encompasses much that is relevant to sound healing. There is a story that the universe was sung into creation and that we're all born in harmony with everything. I've also read that music is the closest angels come to communicating with humans and I believe it. How many times have we watched a player go off somewhere as their guitar or whatever instrument they're playing creates sounds no one has ever thought of before. I believe that's when the fully attuned are channeling the sounds of the universe.



I agree. In fact, this very phenomenon came to light when I asked music great Jerry Douglas if he had any questions for Derek Trucks. All I did was bring them together and then get out of the way as the following dalogue transpired;

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http://swampland.dreamhosters.com/articles/view/general/27

.... There are a ton of other great musicians out there who appreciate your work, so I got the idea of asking a few of them to come up with a question or two for you. The response was immediate. First up is Dobro great Jerry Douglas. You appear on his latest album called “Best Kept Secret,” and he has long been a fan of yours. His question for you is- “When your at your highest level of playing, when you can’t do anything wrong and you’re almost standing off to the side and watching yourself play, what do you think about? Do you think about being airborne or gliding? Do you see any colors or landscapes? Do you hear the music of jazz or Indian Classical musicians like Nusrat Khan or Ali Akbar Khan?? What happens?

"You know, it’s weird. There’s been times where…… I remember the first few times I really had that experience, where you’re almost watching yourself. It kind of freaks you out for a second and you end up kind of coming out of it. But then, the more it happens, you just seem to watch it more. It’s really a trip. Sometimes when you get done with a solo that happens like that, especially playing with somebody like Oteil where he’s right there with you anywhere you’re going, even when you don’t know where you’re going, but he seems to be right there following you, the solo is done and you almost exhale. You’re kind of worn out from it, but in a really good way. Those are amazing experiences. That is what you look for. Sometimes you are hearing influences, whether it is a sarod player or a Pakistani vocalist or a great horn player. Sometimes you’ll have images of influences that you have. Other times it’s completely free of all that. It’s special when it does happen. It happens in waves, though. There was about a solid week at the Beacon where at least once or twice a night it would happen. It is the same with my group. It will be three or four nights in a row where it feels like any idea that you come up with comes out effortlessly. Other times you have to, not necessarily force it, but you have to work a little harder."




[Edited on 10/25/2009 by DerekFromCincinnati]


tuna - 10/25/2009 at 02:06 AM

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"True victory is victory over ones self' I love google..without it I'd know a lot less than I do now.
i was hoping you would google it because there is a lot to be said about that statement and i cant do it justice and im on a smart phone and i dont know how to cut and paste.
the name of the school i train at is Agatsu. Aikido is unique as a martial art. there is no fighting against others only blending with energy...your energy in harmony with an attackers energy. where it relates to this discussion is the founder of the art was very religious (google omoto) the beliefs of the religion sound very similar to what you posted. aikido was heavily influenced by that. while we dont study any religous aspect of that, how we practice is directly linked to that belief. so we learn through movement and interactions on the physical level. harmony, sounds; energy and so on.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/25/2009 at 02:25 AM

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I love that cute name, Fletch. I see that and I think of your big, round face and your size 50 blue jeans, and I literally...LOL.




Size 38", which will be proven soon enough. Good try.

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Whether you agree or not, Fletch, I have the right to say I think some of the stuff in the Bible is a bunch of hooie.


Once again, good try as you go further to the point of putting down those that don't believe as you do, and try and do so while trying to put yourself on the perch of 'enlightened' and all because of some mental issue due to bad experiences with some Southern baptists, or whatever it is, and then the New Age jargon comes out.. Again, I'm no psychologist. If you want to believe that before he came to earth Hitler chose before he was born to start a war that killed 50 million and committ genocide that killed 6 million and then was given a pat on the back after he died and went back to the other side, have at it. But you've gone further than that. Pretty simple, actually.

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I'll say this about the book Conversations with God. Like it or hate it, our daughter read the book and began her spiritual journey. She didn't just stop with the book and embrace it as her total truth, but it woke her up and started her looking. I read some of it and didn't have a problem with it at all. It's just a book. Make of it what you will.



She might be interested in that made up plagiarized Christmas story he ripped off last Christmas. At least it was a feel good story. I love the part where he responded to it by saying, “I am chagrined and astonished that my mind could play such a trick on me.” Does that apply to his direct conversations with God?? I'm not a psychologist. He may believe his own BS and also considers himself 'enlighetened,' whatever.



Fletch, the more you talk the more hypocritical you reveal yourself to be, but keep it up. You are the one freaked out over what someone you have never met believes. You also reveal how limited and small your mind is when you project on others your own limited views. I read a great number of books before I read the Conversation with God books. My belief system was firmly in place, while constantly being expanded. I, like tens of millions of people around the world, found the books to be a really good, well-organized, sensible way of expressing what I already knew and believed. I honestly didn't know then, and still don't, nor do I care, how the author conducts his life, or what he does. It doesn't matter to me. I really know hardly anything about him, nor do I care. I absorbed some words from a page and moved on. If not for your endless rants, I probably wouldn't even remember who the author was. I see truth in many things, from music, to works of art, to experiences in nature, to words on a written page. That's all. Anything more than that is just part of your weird obsession.

But I did start a thread to see if anyone else had read the books, and if they wanted to discuss them here. Your behavior in that thread is epic in showing the kind of person you are, and that is why I brought it up here. I encourage anyone to pull it up and look at it if I you want to see a wonderful example of Fletch's tolerance for those who believe differently than him.

Fletch, only you can explain your obsession with a man you've never met, never read, and really don't know anything about except what you read on a website. I read a few of his books several years ago, like many millions of others around the world, and have given him little thought since. You didn't, and you've been obsessed ever since.

Again, you aren't even a Christian, yet you are the one freaking out over my beliefs about Christianity. What's your beef? Did they hire you to protect them?


bigann - 10/25/2009 at 02:44 AM

She might be interested in that made up plagiarized Christmas story he ripped off last Christmas. At least it was a feel good story. I love the part where he responded to it by saying, “I am chagrined and astonished that my mind could play such a trick on me.” Does that apply to his direct conversations with God?? I'm not a psychologist. He may believe his own BS and also considers himself 'enlighetened,' whatever.

Negative energy alert -

I don't give a rats*ss if she read the outdated phone book....if it helped set her on a path to enlightenment then it's okay by me. I don't believe every feel good story I read, but these days people need all the feel good stories they can get. It doesn't mean we have to believe that the roadrunner actually outwits the coyote or that he blows him self up for real. It's just something to make us laugh.

If you can't understand the power of the written word, truth or fiction, then why the hell are you writing? You'd be better off to spend your time killling and gutting something. Don't you dare diminsh how my daughter began her path. If you can't be glad someone is finding their own path, then piss off.


bigann - 10/25/2009 at 03:37 AM

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"True victory is victory over ones self' I love google..without it I'd know a lot less than I do now.
i was hoping you would google it because there is a lot to be said about that statement and i cant do it justice and im on a smart phone and i dont know how to cut and paste.
the name of the school i train at is Agatsu. Aikido is unique as a martial art. there is no fighting against others only blending with energy...your energy in harmony with an attackers energy. where it relates to this discussion is the founder of the art was very religious (google omoto) the beliefs of the religion sound very similar to what you posted. aikido was heavily influenced by that. while we dont study any religous aspect of that, how we practice is directly linked to that belief. so we learn through movement and interactions on the physical level. harmony, sounds; energy and so on.



I like where you're coming from. I especially like your last sentence. I knew a long time ago I was supposed to be doing healing work but it took me almost thirty years to get to the point where I could get started. Now my focus is on helping people understand their relationship to everything around us.....what you're doing is the same thing. Intersting, isn't it, that there are so many paths to the same place.


tuna - 10/25/2009 at 05:09 AM

now if you google reiki and omoto, we have a link. reiki was a term used by that religion. so there does seem to be some commonality. so now im intetested in learning more about noetics. i think the principles are the same and can be applied to religions, music and physics and my case a martial art.


bigann - 10/25/2009 at 05:17 AM

Yes.....you've stated it perfectly. All of these are pieces of the 'whole'. Here is something I found about noetics, however there isn't a lot of information around on the topic so I'm assuming it's a new look at old established practices.

"Noetic Sciences is the umbrella term for a wide range of investigative studies on the affect of the human mind on the world around us. Scientifically our minds change the world on a quantum level. Religiously we affect the health and wellbeing of those around us through prayer.

This science has been around for decades but it has only begun to be recognised in mainstream circles in recent years. Highly recommended media include What the Bleep Do We know? , The Secret , The Opus and more recently The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown. "


SantaCruzBluz - 10/25/2009 at 05:25 AM

Anyone who hasn't seen What the Bleep do We Know show find a copy and watch it. I promise you it will change the way you think about what we see around us.


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/25/2009 at 05:37 AM

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Again, you aren't even a Christian, yet you are the one freaking out over my beliefs about Christianity. What's your beef? Did they hire you to protect them?


Where did you get that from? After all of my looking into other religions and belief systems I absolutely came back to acknowledging that Jesus is, was and always will be the One. I have learned something from almost all of the other religions, and I don't believe as I do because I was raised that way or others think I should believe a certain way. I have come full circle, which is the way it should be.

I disagree with Billastro now and again as I am not a literalist. Yet when I read this from you;

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I bet he can stand with his Bible in his hand, and use that book to prove that book is right, and do it for hours on end. No props at all, just a book, and use it to prove he knows how the world came into existence, how the Creator of the Universe thinks and operates, what He likes and doesn't like, and prove everything he says is true, just using the one book. A man with that kind of talent could probably do well if he hitched up some horses to a wagon, mixed up some "snake oil," purchased a big "revival tent" and set out on the road.



...I have to ask, does this line of thinking hold true for the even older Native American beliefs passed down by oral history, not even written? Yes or no??

What books that you tout have been proven to be true, and how are they proven to be true?? Examples??

How can you prove that somebody like Hitler chose before he was born, before he came to Earth, to start a war that killed 50 million and commit genocide that killed 6 million and then was given a pat on the back after he died and went back to the other side??

While you put others down, you show ZERO scrutiny of what you ebeliev, prove the truth of the books, texts or teachings, none of it the same you do for other's belief systems. Lame.

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She might be interested in that made up plagiarized Christmas story he ripped off last Christmas. At least it was a feel good story. I love the part where he responded to it by saying, “I am chagrined and astonished that my mind could play such a trick on me.” Does that apply to his direct conversations with God?? I'm not a psychologist. He may believe his own BS and also considers himself 'enlighetened,' whatever.

Negative energy alert -

I don't give a rats*ss if she read the outdated phone book....if it helped set her on a path to enlightenment then it's okay by me. I don't believe every feel good story I read, but these days people need all the feel good stories they can get. It doesn't mean we have to believe that the roadrunner actually outwits the coyote or that he blows him self up for real. It's just something to make us laugh.

If you can't understand the power of the written word, truth or fiction, then why the hell are you writing? You'd be better off to spend your time killling and gutting something. Don't you dare diminsh how my daughter began her path. If you can't be glad someone is finding their own path, then piss off.



She may have read The Secret and was led down a similar path, as many apparently have done considering the sales of that book and DVD. That is fine, as long as she wasn't in that non-authentic sweat lodge that the creator of The Secret built and in which three people died a week and a half ago as The Secret author and leader James Ray disappeared and abandoned them (see above). It was "the power of the written word" that got those folks there to begin with. I would hope that there would be a grain of salt in there somewhere. Then again, others count on people not utilizing the proverbial 'grain of salt.' Therein lies the problem.

DH


bigann - 10/25/2009 at 05:46 AM

Just can't resist making your point at someone else's expense....so much for your magnanimous godly demeanor. You're guilty of what you're accusing others as you write from your moral high horse. I get it....you don't want to be bothered by anything anyone else has to say...you are the center of your deluded universe and no one need enter. Noetics? You still don't know squat. Tuna and SCB get it....you never will.


SquatchTexas - 10/25/2009 at 01:00 PM

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But be wary of the New Agers who view themselves as 'enlightened,' who put other belief systems down to further their own, who put down others who believe differently and who bring out the atypical New Age jargon as if they know things you are unable to comprehend, and of course, those like Neale Donald Walsch and James Ray of The Secret and others who want your money.



So when you are talking shiat about me being an Atheist, what are you doing if not exactly what you are saying above? By your own words, people should be wary of you.

H Y P O C R I T E


SquatchTexas - 10/25/2009 at 01:09 PM

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now if you google reiki and omoto, we have a link. reiki was a term used by that religion. so there does seem to be some commonality. so now im intetested in learning more about noetics. i think the principles are the same and can be applied to religions, music and physics and my case a martial art.


Im certainly no martial artist by any stretch, but I took an Akido class years ago and I still remember several of the movements and have actually used one in particular several times to overcome another person. If something like that could feel 'natural', that was it. I like the description involving energy as well.

[Edited on 10/25/2009 by SquatchTexas]


SantaCruzBluz - 10/25/2009 at 01:50 PM

I'm having trouble keeping up with the rules. Apparently Fletch can bust into any thread in the forum, telling everyone how brain dead and clueless they are, constantly putting people down for their beliefs about religion, politics, the environment, global warming, Obama, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Conversations With God, his guitar playing, how they interact with nature, and on and on.

But let someone else voice their views about some of the things Christians believe, and suddenly they get a life sentence of being followed around by a fat guy who only knows how to bellow "Neal Donald Walsh" over and over again.

Fletch, for some reason, you can't see the blatant hypocrisy you exhibit pretty much every time you post. Everyone else here can see it, but it goes right over you large, round, shiny head.

bigann is right. You know nothing at all about this topic, but for reasons only you and your therapist are privy to, you don't mind looking stupid to try to make yourself look smart. You truly are hilarious, but kind of pathetic, too.



[Edited on 10/25/2009 by SantaCruzBluz]


bigann - 10/25/2009 at 05:04 PM

I think DfC has exposed himself in this thread for what he is...intollerant, opinionated and ignroant. I was offended when he started putting down the people who died in the sweat lodge because they chose to try to follow a path. Rather he should have put down the person who duped them. There is a great parallel there to what some so called Christian sects are doing to their followers.....Jonestown and Waco come to mind. I'ts not that people are fools for wanting to believe in something more in life, iti's the people who prey on them.

I really don't care what path DfC is on. If it takes feeling superior to other people, having disdain for those who don't think like you do and pretending to be wise beyond that of what you're capable, then I don't want anything to do with it.

That being said.....shall we move on to another topic.....how about crystals.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/25/2009 at 05:13 PM

I'm ready, bigann.

I have a number of crystals, but have only read a little about them, and have never done any work with them. The farm house I lived in not only had arrowheads and other artifacts in the field around it, but it also has lots of crystals. I'd find perfectly formed ones an inch long and 1/8 inch in diameter, with both ends fully intact. I had a bunch of them buy lost them all in the Big D. I'd sure like to live in that house again.

I'm interested in hearing about the work you do with crystals. Some people scoff at the idea that the ancients recorded secrets and other information in crystals, yet now we can store tons of files and information on little tiny crystal chips.


bigann - 10/25/2009 at 05:21 PM

In an earlier post I mentioned that everything in our body vibrates to different frequencies. Everything around us also vibrates at different frequencies. Each crystal carries a vibration that corresponds to something in our body. The basis of crystal healing is using crystals that vibrate to the corresponding frequency of the part of our body that's out of sync to re-align the energies. This isn't hocus pocus, it's information gleaned from a number of different studies on the subject. As the illustrations was given earlier, it's like using a tuning fork to tune your guitar.

Here is some information from an article that's a concise presentation of crystal healing:

About Crystal Healing

A method of healing with the use of crystals placed on or around the body is called Crystal Healing . Since the earliest times, crystals have been used to heal and restore balance. They help in releasing and clearing negative energy, thereby assisting in energy healing.

The earliest records of crystal healing have been traced in Ancient Egypt. India’s Ayurvedic records and traditional Chinese medicine also claim healing with the use of crystals, dating back to 5000 years ago.

What are Crystals?

Crystals are nature’s gift to man that augment healing. Crystals are found in all shapes, sizes, colours and composition.

Each crystal has a unique vibrational resonance. They owe their unique qualities to their mineral content, their inherent geometry and the colour frequency they emit.

Crystals and the Human Body

The human body has a complex electromagnetic system, also known as a vibrational energy system. Nature has created crystals to be perfect electromagnetic conductors, capable of interacting with our electromagnetic system. Crystals have been found to carry vibration that activates certain energy centers within our electromagnetic system, thus having a positive effect on our entire body systems.

Crystals and Chakras

Chakras are the spinning wheels of conscious energy. There are 7 major chakras and 50 minor chakras.

Chakras absorb the life energy or Prana. Thus any blockage or disruption in the flow of this natural energy affects a person on all 3 levels – physical, mental and spiritual.

Prana has Healing qualities. As more prana or life force is absorbed by the body through the chakras it keeps a person balanced and healthy.

In Crystal Healing, crystals must be placed on the chakra points. Crystals of various colours help in the healing process by creating certain tranquil emotions and altering the state of mind. The colours of the crystals are associated with the various chakra centers in the body. Each chakra has a colour and if crystals of the same colour are placed on the associated center, it affects that area of the body. When crystals are placed at corresponding chakra point, they cleanse and energise the chakra. This helps in healing and harmonizing energy.


CHAKRA PRIMARY COLOUR ASSOCIATED GEMSTONES
1st Chakra – Root Chakra Red Red Jasper, Garnet, Onyx, Rubies
2nd Chakra – The Navel Orange Carnelian, Moonstone, Hematite, Orange Zincite
3rd Chakra – Solar Plexus Yellow Citrine, Amber, Topaz
4th Chakra – The Heart Green Rose Quartz, Chinese Fluorite
5th Chakra – The Throat Light Blue Aquamarine, Turquoise Blue Lace Agate
6th Chakra – The Third Eye Dark Blue Lapiz Lazuli, Sapphire, Turquoise
7th Chakra – Crown Purple Clear Quartz or Amethyst

Effects of Crystal Therapy

Crystal therapy aims to restore the balance and well being of a person. In this therapy assorted stones are placed on or around the body that resonate with chakras of the body. This helps to release impending blockages, refining the flow of energy. The recipient is able to experience a deep state of tranquility, letting go of attitudes and habits that are not beneficial, assisting in tuning ourselves to the rhythm of life. Crystals work on the subtle energy levels and in our auras to rebalance energies and improve our well-being. This therapy promotes peace and tranquility and reduces mental and nervous stress.

Inherent properties of a crystal make them beneficial and invaluable in the healing of ailments.

AILMENTS CRYSTALS THAT HELP
Allergies Aventurine – Green, Turquoise
Anemia Haematite
Arthritis (to reduce pain) Blue Lace Agate, Carnelian Fluorite
Asthma Quartz Rose, Turquoise
Back Pain (lower back) Quartz – Smoky
Back ache Amethyst
Bladder (infection) Citrine
Blood (circulation) Jasper – Red
Blood Pressure (lower) Green Aventurine, Lapiz Lazuli, Turquoise
Bruises (to reduce) Amethyst
Cell Regeneration (to stimulate) Quartz – Rutilated
Chest Problems Quartz – Rose
Circulatory System (to strengthen) Pink Kinzite
Colds (to do away) Fluorite, Labradorite
Complexion (to smooth) Quartz Rose
Confidence (to build) Amazonite, Citrine
Depression Carnelian, Lapiz lazuli
Digestive Problems Peridot, Jasper Red, Turquoise
Emotional Pain Amethyst, Moonstone
Heartache Quartz – Rose
Kidney (infection) Citrine
Kidney Problems Amber, Carnelian, Quartz Rose
Liver Problems Amber, Carnelian, Jasper Red
Lung Problems Quartz Rose
Mood Swings (to stability) Opalite
Mouth Ulcers Fluorite
Rheumatism Carnation, Sunstone
Stomach Ulcer Sunstone, Turquoise
Throat (infection) Aventurine – Green
Thyroid (infection) Blue Lace Agate
Tinnitus Turquoise
Vertigo Quartz Rose
Weight Problems Sunstone, Turquoise
Wounds Fluorite, Rhodonite

Use of Crystals

Crystals and Minerals have been used to facilitate healing and spiritual growth. Crystals can be placed on the specific points of the body to bring relief or can be swept over the body. Crystals can also be carried or one can wear them. Crystals must always be cleansed before use as they can carry negative vibrations too. They can be cleansed by running water over them. Alternatively, they can be placed in the sunlight or moonlight. Moonlight is a powerful cleanser. Vibrations of a pure sound like that of a bell or gong can also energetically cleanse a crystal.

Quartz Crystal

This crystal is one of the most useful crystals that nature has bestowed.

It helps to clear away negativity from the human aura by transmitting life force throughout the human energy system.
It brings about healing and balance.
It transforms, focuses, amplifies, transmits and stores subtle energies like electricity.
It increases nutrition as clear quartz amplifies right brain function, positively influencing intuitive perception.
It has the ability to transform an imbalanced energy field and revitalize a person.
It helps in meditation and healing practices as it helps to focus the thoughts and receive energy.
It is an ideal transmitter and amplifier of colour in healing.


References

Submitted by: Mrs. Uma







SantaCruzBluz - 10/25/2009 at 05:29 PM

Some people believe many of us have left messages for ourselves in crystals during past lives, and that those crystals will find us if we seek them out. Do you have any crystals that you think you've handled in a past incarnation, bigann? Have you done any work with unlocking the secrets some crystals are said to hold? Or is it more just an energy imprint or something left on them?


bigann - 10/25/2009 at 05:39 PM

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Some people believe many of us have left messages for ourselves in crystals during past lives, and that those crystals will find us if we seek them out. Do you have any crystals that you think you've handled in a past incarnation, bigann? Have you done any work with unlocking the secrets some crystals are said to hold? Or is it more just an energy imprint or something left on them?



Those are interesting questions. I've honestly never thought of that before. I only came to crystals a few years ago. Before then they were just pretty rocks and then one day I realized they 'came alive' for me. I don't know that I've handled any I have now in a past incarnation but I do have an inch and a half mysore ruby sphere that I dreamed about every night before I got it. It seems more that the crystals find me rather than my finding them. Some, I think, have secrets to share with me because if I hold one while meditating, I sort of go on 'trips' but since I really started working on the book I haven't done that as much as before.

As for energy imprints....everyone who's ever handled a crystal before we receive it, imprints it with their vibrations. It's why I always cleanse my crystals when they arrive and usually don't encourage anyone to hold them after I do. Even periodically I have to clense them just from the energy that people bring into the house.

I've got a living room full of crystals that combined have created a strong energy conducive to healing work. The one thing I have that generates the most energy of all when put together, is the crystal medicine wheel I lay out. It's amazing how it magnifies the energies around me.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/25/2009 at 05:47 PM

Right on. That sounds really cool. I love reading and hearing about all this stuff, and I've no doubt it is very effective for those who are drawn to it. I like having cool crystals sitting around with the sun shining on them. I seldom buy one, but sometimes one really does seem to be pulling my eye to it, and that's when I buy one. I'd love to go to Arkansas to the crystal mines where you can dig through the tailings for crystals. That is definitely on my "to do" list.


bigann - 10/25/2009 at 06:00 PM

I'd love to go to Arkansas to the crystal mines where you can dig through the tailings for crystals. That is definitely on my "to do" list.

Let me know when you're going.....it's on my 'to do' list too!

I like that you said you're drawn to a crystal. You know what I mean when I tell you they find me.....seems some are finding you too. And putting them in the window so the sun can hit them would definitely amplify the energy!

I can't find where I filed your email address but if you'll send it to me again I'll send you some photos I took of some of my crystals. I'd post pictures here but I just never got the hang of doing it!


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/26/2009 at 02:08 AM

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Just can't resist making your point at someone else's expense....so much for your magnanimous godly demeanor.


That would be your schtick, not mine.

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You're guilty of what you're accusing others as you write from your moral high horse. I get it....you don't want to be bothered by anything anyone else has to say...


And you're wrong, by definition.

So, would you send that New York Times article about Neale Donald Walsch's plagerism to your daughter?? If the book that sent your daughter on her journey was The Secret and she was anywhere near that 'sweat lodge' fiasco, we wouldn't be having this conversation.


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bigann is right. You know nothing at all about this topic, but for reasons only you and your therapist are privy to, you don't mind looking stupid to try to make yourself look smart. You truly are hilarious, but kind of pathetic, too.



I'm guessing I will know more than your self-delusional brain ever will. Once again - good try. As always, you have put down those that believe differently than you on a consistent basis, rip into other holy books and texts and belief systems without putting the holy books, texts, teachings and beliefs that you tout under the same scrutiny. It is blatantly simple. You can out all of the lipstick on the pig that you can, yet it won't change the obvious.

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you don't want to be bothered by anything anyone else has to say...you are the center of your deluded universe and no one need enter. Noetics? You still don't know squat. Tuna and SCB get it....you never will.


I do get it. But to proclaim to be a counselor and yet are intolerant of those who see through certain things, who have a healthy and informed sense of skepticism and view those who proclaim to be leaders with a grain of salt, is crazy. See below;


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I think DfC has exposed himself in this thread for what he is...intollerant, opinionated and ignroant. I was offended when he started putting down the people who died in the sweat lodge because they chose to try to follow a path. Rather he should have put down the person who duped them.


Which is what I did. But, at least it is a start for you to portray James Ray, leader of the movement known as "The Secret" as "the person who duped them." That's amazing in itself. Let me guess - you don't know much about him or the whole The Secret concept?? I don't put down those who bought into Ray, as I would rather they speak to their thoughts on buying into yet another New Age bonehead which they are now and will do on their own.

But here is the rub- concerning your complaining about negativity directed at other's beliefs, where was this lecture when it was directed on here at those who believe in the Bible differently than you do? Nowhere to be found.

And, there it is.

[Edited on 10/26/2009 by DerekFromCincinnati]


Boxcar_Willy - 10/26/2009 at 02:12 AM

Is Derek ever going to discuss this or is he just taking over this thread to insult people and lie about exploits?


SantaCruzBluz - 10/26/2009 at 02:12 AM

bigann, we own Fletch Halsey.


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/26/2009 at 02:30 AM

Not in this lifetime nor any lifetime.

Question- what spiritual texts, books, writings have it right in your opinion and how can you prove that they are legitimate and authentic?


Boxcar_Willy - 10/26/2009 at 02:33 AM

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Not in this lifetime nor any lifetime.

Question- what spiritual texts, books, writings have it right in your opinion and how can you prove that they are legitimate and authentic?


Derek, I know as much about this subject as you do, which means I don't know anything about it. Your question is as stupid as it is unanswerable. Why don't you have a discusiion about this like you said you would?


bigann - 10/26/2009 at 02:51 AM

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Is Derek ever going to discuss this or is he just taking over this thread to insult people and lie about exploits?



Just trying to take over the thread to insult people would be my guess.


bigann - 10/26/2009 at 02:52 AM

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bigann, we own Fletch Halsey.




I don't want him.....can we give him to someone else?


bigann - 10/26/2009 at 02:57 AM

On to another subject....color healing.

COLOR HEALING BASICS

COLOR HEALING USING CANDLES
There are many ways color can be utilized. The first method I would suggest is lighting colored candles. Light a candle of the color that is appropriate for what you are attempting to manifest. If you want truth and purity light a white candle. If you want to gain know ledge light a yellow candle, a pink candle to send love, a blue candle for the resolution of a spiritual problem. Green candles are good for monetary and material concerns. Lavender candles are especially good for healing. Silver candles are good for protection. As you light the candle say a prayer and state what you need. It is important to be specific. Thank God for granting you what you need. The candle and the color it is radiating keep your prayer manifesting that specific energy as long as the candle is lit.

COLOR HEALING USING LAMP RADIATION

Colored lamplight is a wonderful method to use. All you need is a small lamp and colored light bulbs, sometimes light bulbs of certain color are hard to find; at photography stores you can buy colored gels that can be taped over the lamp instead. Let yourself bask in the colored light as you read or sleep. If you are reading and you want more energy, use an orange light bulb or gel. If you need physical healing, use a green light. If you want mental stimulation, use a yellow light. If you want a more spiritual feeling, use a blue or violet light.

COLOR WATER HEALING

The idea is to place the colored gels around a clear glass bottle of water. Place the closed glass water bottle with the gel covering it outside in the sun. The sun will shine through the colored gel into the water and energize it both with the sun's energy and with the color frequency of that particular gel. You can drink water permeated with the green healing vibration or with the qualities of whatever color you have chosen. The water will not change color but will most definitely contain the frequency of the chosen color.

COLOR BREATHING

Another method of utilizing color is to breathe different colors into your body. Red, orange, and yellow are magnetic and should be visualized as flowing up from the earth toward the solar plexus. Blue, indigo, and violet are electrical and are breathed in from the ethers downward. Green is the balancer of the spectrum and flows into the systems horizontally. When breathing, breathe deeply, bringing air into the lower abdomen. The best time to practice this technique is before breakfast or dinner

COLOR VISUALIZATION

Visualize yourself bathed in the color you choose to resonate with. It can be seen as a ball of light or a tube of light. You might just affirm to yourself, "I'm now filled with emerald green" You are God, and anything you affirm or visualize takes place, for word is law, and you create with your mind.

RADIANT COLOR MAGNETISM

You can channel color through your hands for healing purposes. You can do it on yourself or on a friend, animal, or plant you want to heal. It is just a matter of affirming and visualizing that are doing this and it will be done.

COLOR HEALING THROUGH CLOTHING

When you want to embody or cultivate a certain quality, consciously wear clothes of that color and wear jewelry or carry gemstones that hold the same vibration.

(edit for spacing)

[Edited on 10/26/2009 by bigann]


alloak41 - 10/26/2009 at 03:02 AM


Definitely a subject I'd like to learn a lot about. Very interesting thread. Thanks.


SquatchTexas - 10/26/2009 at 04:03 AM

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Not in this lifetime nor any lifetime.

Question- what spiritual texts, books, writings have it right in your opinion and how can you prove that they are legitimate and authentic?


Derek, I know as much about this subject as you do, which means I don't know anything about it. Your question is as stupid as it is unanswerable. Why don't you have a discusiion about this like you said you would?


Theres a lot of information that needs to be found and Google only gives you so much....


SantaCruzBluz - 10/26/2009 at 04:08 AM

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Definitely a subject I'd like to learn a lot about. Very interesting thread. Thanks.


Pretty cool to have someone so knowledgeable here to share what she has learned and the gifts she's been blessed with.

I'm going to try the water in the colored bottles. I drink a lot of water, and I like the idea of being able to harness some of the power of the sun, enhanced by the colors. I bet the cats will like drinking it, too.


bigann - 10/26/2009 at 06:03 PM

I would suggesting green, blue and purple water for animals. The red, orange and yellow waters are more stimulating to the system.

Interested in Candle layouts for healing?


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/26/2009 at 08:49 PM

Wow, I've collected crystals every since I was a small child. I guess I may have been one of the crystal children. You may now bow before me.....Actually, I kind of was. While always drawn to archeology and paleontology, fossils and the like, finding crystals in the rock was always a goal. Even when I was a kid, other than an occasional whole unbroken or uncut geode with the crystals intact inside, buying cool crystals was never an option as I only had a desire to keep the ones I found myself. Later in life I would learn more about why that was important. Over 20 years ago I was in upstate New York hanging with my sister and family in Saugerties and we went to spend a day in Woodstock, not where the concert was held, which was many miles away, but the town itself. I gravitated towards the shops and people that possessed a local phenomenon I found out about called the 'Herkimer Diamond." It is a unique double-terminated (ability to draw or transmit energy through both ends) quartz crystal found in a certain part of upstate NY. One lady in particular answered all of my questions, especially after I asked to see one of her Herks that she had for sale and wouldn't let me physically look it over. She explained that my holding it would imprint my vibration onto it which would not be fair to whomever wanted to buy it in the future. She made sure to not touch the Herks herself even when mining for them, and only used her tools to dig, remove and carry away the newly uncovered Herkimer Diamonds meant for others. The cool thing is that anyone can mine your own Herkimer Diamonds and she gave me the directions to a off-the-beaten-path hillside where I could find my own away from the 'tourist mines,' some of which actually charge folks to mine. But, the car we made the trip in dropped one of its four cylinders and I never made it back there nor had the time to explore the Herkimer Honey Hole that she directed me to.

I'll take vibration and imprinting further with something cool that happened to me today. I have been posting a picture in my sig of a group of Black Vultures my friend and I came across in the farmland of southern Indiana who sat along a fence line motionless with their both of their wings extended out to both sides, frozen that way in a sense for long periods of time, to soak up the sun, and some say, to deal with parasites, etc. That sparked a friend of mine Julie in Pennsylvania as it reminded her that she had seen vultures do the same thing years ago at her grandma's farm in Charlotte Court House, Virginia, and that she took pictures of it that day back in November of 1989. Now, a month or two later, she finally finds those pics and passed them onto me today....but there is a spooky 'rest of the story' that goes with it, apparently.

First, before the rest of the story, here are her pictures;





Now, the rest of the story. Julie sent me a message today on Facebook telling me that she had found and posted the pics this morning, yet while doing so she added a heck of a story about her grandma's barn. Note that we have not been talking about spiritual matters or metaphysics or anything of the kind for ages, the subject matter of our messages was just about seeing something cool in nature with the pics of the buzzards and their wings. As the story goes, that barn above burnt down a couple of years after she took these pics. I'll let her tell it as it appeared in my FB message from her today;

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"I shot digital photos of the prints, instead of scanning the old photos ... so, the quality isn't that great. However, when I have some more time, I'll scan them in properly at work...The quality will be better on those pics ... I was just so excited that I found them. I still have the negatives too.

Here's a wild story about that barn. It caught fire during a thunderstorm and burnt to the ground. Maybe a year or two later, my aunt's cousins were hunting on the farm. Really early in the morning they saw the shape of the whole barn in the fog. They described it to my aunt & uncle when they got back from their hunt. The wild thing is, they had never seen this barn in it's actual existence (ie, before it burned). I guess the energy of its presence was still there - kind of freaked the guys out."
- Julie ;~)


[Edited on 10/26/2009 by DerekFromCincinnati]


SantaCruzBluz - 10/26/2009 at 08:59 PM

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I would suggesting green, blue and purple water for animals. The red, orange and yellow waters are more stimulating to the system.

Interested in Candle layouts for healing?


Sure. It wouldn't hurt to have it here for a reference, anyway.

I've always liked colored bottles. Now I have a good reason to have them.

Thanks for sending the photos of the crystals, bigann. That's pretty impressive! I can upload them to some webspace I have and post them here if you want me to.


bigann - 10/26/2009 at 09:32 PM

If you know how to upload those photos you're my hero...Thank you!!!! And I'll be glad to answer any questions about what the different crystals are and what their energies are directed towards.

Now to candles for healing. I've found a link that has much of the same information in the books I have so rather than typing it all out, and not being able to post photos, here is the link for reference. I was a little skeptical at first, but when I dowsed the energy before and after the candle layouts there was a definite strong energy created. I use either mixed colors or sometimes layouts with all the same color. The all white candles seem to create the ultimate energies in a layout in my experience.

http://www.crystalinks.com/candles2.html


SantaCruzBluz - 10/26/2009 at 10:26 PM


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SantaCruzBluz - 10/26/2009 at 10:31 PM

I really like these, especially the big red ones.



SantaCruzBluz - 10/26/2009 at 10:32 PM


bigann - 10/26/2009 at 10:33 PM

The big sphere in the first picture is a 8 1/2" rose quartz that weights about forty pounds. I have a 12" calcite in a stand that weights about 55 pounds. Once I get those set in place I don't move them. I was surprised to discover that spheres of the same size often have different weights. I hadn't realized before that different minerals are different densities. I guess that should have been obvious, but it wasn't. A calcite sphere weighs less than a fluorite one of the same size.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/26/2009 at 10:36 PM

Those are all really beautiful. I can almost feel the energy from them just looking at them.


bigann - 10/26/2009 at 10:45 PM

The long white crystal is a 20" selenite 'wand'. The selenite crystals are used as protection from negative energies and it's unusual to find one that length. However, selenite is water soluable and when wet, tends to 'melt'. I found that out as I was wiping off some dirt with a damp cloth and shards started coming off. I left it like it was and gave the left over little wands to our grandson. :-)


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/27/2009 at 05:46 AM

"The last time the Yankees and the Phillies played in the World Series was 1950. Back then a hot dog in the stands was - get this - 17 bucks." - Jimmy Fallon


Jerry - 10/27/2009 at 02:07 PM

quote:


First, before the rest of the story, here are her pictures;





Now, the rest of the story. Julie sent me a message today on Facebook telling me that she had found and posted the pics this morning, yet while doing so she added a heck of a story about her grandma's barn. Note that we have not been talking about spiritual matters or metaphysics or anything of the kind for ages, the subject matter of our messages was just about seeing something cool in nature with the pics of the buzzards and their wings. As the story goes, that barn above burnt down a couple of years after she took these pics. I'll let her tell it as it appeared in my FB message from her today;

quote:
"I shot digital photos of the prints, instead of scanning the old photos ... so, the quality isn't that great. However, when I have some more time, I'll scan them in properly at work...The quality will be better on those pics ... I was just so excited that I found them. I still have the negatives too.

Here's a wild story about that barn. It caught fire during a thunderstorm and burnt to the ground. Maybe a year or two later, my aunt's cousins were hunting on the farm. Really early in the morning they saw the shape of the whole barn in the fog. They described it to my aunt & uncle when they got back from their hunt. The wild thing is, they had never seen this barn in it's actual existence (ie, before it burned). I guess the energy of its presence was still there - kind of freaked the guys out."
- Julie ;~)


[Edited on 10/26/2009 by DerekFromCincinnati]


Here's something interesting for you Derek.

Check out the lower left window in the bottom 2 photos. Look just at the window, without staring.
I saw something there and copied the photos to my hard drive. I played around with the image changing contrast, brightness, highlights, and shadows. I was trying to find out if that was just the broom straw making the image, but since the two photos are at slightly different angles, it's not the broom straw. (Note: To see the difference in the angles, look at the tall shoot. In the bottom photo it splits the window in half, in the second photo it's to the left side of the window.)
There is someone standing in the window. You can see the head, shoulders, and where the left arm is slightly away from the body. You can also see the wall behind them, right through the body.
Of course that's what I see and can determine with the imaging software I've got. Maybe someone with some better software can come up with a better reason for what's on the photo.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/27/2009 at 02:25 PM

It's a barn, Jerry. Would it be unusual for a person to be inside?


Jerry - 10/27/2009 at 02:27 PM

quote:
It's a barn, Jerry. Would it be unusual for a person to be inside?


Not so much unusual, except that you can see through them.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/27/2009 at 02:29 PM

Maybe you can. I see a barn with some buzzards on the roof.


Jerry - 10/27/2009 at 02:35 PM

quote:
Maybe you can. I see a barn with some buzzards on the roof.


Then you aren't looking in the lower left window.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/27/2009 at 02:38 PM

Sure I am. I don't see anything that looks like a person you can see through. What I do see is that whoever took the picture was facing the sun.


Jerry - 10/27/2009 at 02:51 PM

quote:
Sure I am. I don't see anything that looks like a person you can see through. What I do see is that whoever took the picture was facing the sun.




The sun doesn't come through the barn on the lower level as it does on the upper floor.
You can see the boards in the wall, right through the person looking out the window.
Same image in both photos, even though they are at slightly different angles.

Let's see if DFC can post the originals and compare.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/27/2009 at 03:32 PM

Since his primary goal on these pages is to make very thread all about Fletch Halsey, my guess is he will.

I'm not really sure what these pictures have to do with the topic of the thread, but Fletch can probably tell us that, too.


Jerry - 10/27/2009 at 03:44 PM

quote:
Since his primary goal on these pages is to make very thread all about Fletch Halsey, my guess is he will.

I'm not really sure what these pictures have to do with the topic of the thread, but Fletch can probably tell us that, too.


The reason I wanted the originals is so that Photron or Fast43 can check and see if the image has been altered, thus creating the "ghost image" in the window. If not, then maybe they caught a real ghost.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/27/2009 at 03:48 PM

Or if there is anything to see. I sure don't see it in these photos of digital prints. But if there is an image, that is cool.


SquatchTexas - 10/27/2009 at 03:57 PM

quote:
quote:
Since his primary goal on these pages is to make very thread all about Fletch Halsey, my guess is he will.

I'm not really sure what these pictures have to do with the topic of the thread, but Fletch can probably tell us that, too.


The reason I wanted the originals is so that Photron or Fast43 can check and see if the image has been altered, thus creating the "ghost image" in the window. If not, then maybe they caught a real ghost.


Or nothing was caught and the eye naturally looks for shapes it recognizes? Not saying that nothing is there, just offering a different suggestion. Ive had two paranormal experiences so Im not poo-pooing your idea.


Haisija - 10/27/2009 at 03:58 PM

I saw a UFO.


SantaCruzBluz - 10/27/2009 at 04:20 PM

I've seen one, too, Jon.

I also saw two angels in New Orleans.


bigann - 10/27/2009 at 04:52 PM

I'm not the least surprised that the paranormal has entered this thread as a topic. It's another facet of energy that we've been discussing. Although there will be one or two who will try to diminish my credentials....you know who....I'm a certified paranormal investigator and what we've been talking about is only another part of vibration. We vibrate at a lower frequency than the next dimension however, there are times we're able to 'see' the other side...espeically through photographs.

During a heightened emotional state, our vibrations will shift and we can see through the 'veil'. Some people are just able to do it naturally. For some of us,it comes and goes.
One of the things I've noticed during my research is, houses with a negative presence or imprinted energy usually don't stay painted. I don't know why that is, but a year or two after the place has a new paint job, it will start peeling again.

I have no doubt Allen that you saw angels. If ever there was a place for them, it would be New Orleans. I 'saw' hundreds hovering over the trade center buildings during that disaster. As for UFOs....I think we've seen two or three, but in all honesty, though I welcome visitors from beyond, it kind of creeps me out.

I'm glad this was brought up because it opens another door to discussion. But before anyone dismisses anything said in here, remember, it's all about energy and vibrations levels. Nothing unnatural about it. :-)


SquatchTexas - 10/27/2009 at 05:09 PM

In my case, I encountered a serious cold spot in the hallway of my apartment years ago. There was no accounting for it as the AC was not on at the time and the space was probably 5-6 ft high and about 3 ft wide and a pocket of cold air like someone had opened a freezer.

The other time, my wife and I were in a small country cemetery and were just enjoying the shade of a tree there. After a while when we left, I had to tell her that at the cemetery, I felt *bad*, just really rotten and needed to leave. My wife stated that she felt it too but didnt think it was anything odd. It was just a very heavy feeling and I didnt want to be there anymore.


bigann - 10/27/2009 at 05:29 PM

Two of the most discernable encounters are with cold spots and 'bad' feelings. Expecially the bad feelings. Cemeteries are some of the worst places and contrary to what people believe is normally the case, it's not the people buried there emitting the bad feelings. Generally it's the mourners who have left the negative imprints an who frequently haunt the places. The deceased person has either gone to the light or is haunting a place where he or she was during life. The mourners are the ones who have trouble leaving...you can pick up energies that will make you want to sit and cry around a young child's grave sometimes.

I have one of the devices that measures heat in a room and when I suspect a place might have a presence, I'll use that to try to locate where it is. There is a drastic drop in temperature when you find it. Just like the cold spot you mentioned.


DerekFromCincinnati - 10/27/2009 at 08:42 PM

quote:
The sun doesn't come through the barn on the lower level as it does on the upper floor.
You can see the boards in the wall, right through the person looking out the window.
Same image in both photos, even though they are at slightly different angles.

Let's see if DFC can post the originals and compare.





I don't quite see it, but I'll try and get the better quality versions of the photos when she scans them in.


bigann - 10/27/2009 at 09:20 PM

To get back to someone a little less disconcerting to some people, here is the information about the work I've developed with my partner, Joyce. We named it Harmonic Awakening. Pretty self explanitory but I'm willing to answer questions. :-)


HARMONIC AWAKENING


“Our purpose in life is not to learn – we are born with all knowledge of the universe. We live life to try to remember.” - Alta Dillard

Harmonic – relating to vibrations that occur as a result of vibrations in a nearby body; ‘sympathetic’ vibrations
Awakening – the act of awakening or ceasing to sleep; experiencing new awareness

Our body is a symphony of energy and frequencies that vibrate to the earth’s song and connect us to the cosmic realm through our chakras. Sometimes the frequencies of the chakras become altered and the flow of energy is reduced, resulting in both mental and physical dis-ease.

Harmonic Awakening is a process combining ancient and modern, traditional and non-traditional methods to remove detrimental energies and re-establish a harmonious energy flow through the chakras, helping the client facilitate his or her healing and wellness.

Every “Awakening” is unique and varies by person depending on his or her needs, however, each session encompasses certain fundamentals. Candle energy, incense and a clearing prayer are used to raise the vibrations of the working area. Next, the lesser, greater and higher chakras are opened by using one of thirty seven different tuning forks scientifically attuned to the individual chakras. In addition to aligning the chakra vibrations, the forks ‘sound’ the story of the body, picking up both past and present illness and injuries.

After all of the chakras have been opened and energy flow restored, the body is ‘dowsed’ with a bobber. At each point where detrimental energy has been located during the toning of the forks, the bobber works to remove it and restore a positive energy to the area. It’s important to do this as residue from previous surgeries, injuries and illness continue to disrupt the aura until removed and replaced with beneficial energy.

In many instances, in addition to the bobber, this is done by auric magnetic healing, the process of physically ‘scooping’ the detrimental energy from the aura field. . The client is seldom touched during an ‘Awakening’ procedure, and never without the client’s express permission.

Depending on the situation, other various healing modalities may be used during an ‘Awakening.’ Reiki and Seichem energies, essential oils, reflexology, color and crystals are also used as necessary to complete the alignment of the body’s vibrations

It is not uncommon for a client to experience a form of emotional release during this part of the ‘Awakening.’ Often problems affecting a person’s overall well being surface and are addressed at that time through counseling or by regression and/or daydream analysis. This helps the person understand how the problem may be affecting his or her life and the client is encouraged to release the harmful thoughts and emotions.

Each of us has the power to heal ourselves within the context of our life plan and the goal of the Harmonic Awakener is to empower every individual with that ability.


bigann - 10/28/2009 at 05:51 AM

Here's some information about different frequencies as a quick guide. One of the secrets to good health and wellbeing is to keep your vibrations in their natural ranges and from the chart you can see that pure essential oils are very beneficial for this purpose:

Frequencies of the Body in Health and Disease:

72-78 Hz Human (from neck up)
62-68 Human (from neck down)
59 Colds
57 Flu
55 Candida
52 Epstein Barr virus
42 Receptive to Cancer
25 Death begins


Frequencies of Various Foods and Herbs:

52-320 Hz Pure essential Oils
20-27 Fresh herbs and foods
12-22 Dry herbs
15-22 Dried food
Up to 15 Hz Whole foods
Zero Processed and canned foods


Frequencies of Various Essential Oils:

96 Hz Sandalwood
102 Melissa (Lemon Balm)
105 German Chamomile
105 Myrrh
118 Lavender
134 Ravensara
181 Helichrysum
320 Rose



SantaCruzBluz - 10/29/2009 at 07:37 PM

I enjoyed the section on harmonic awakening, Ann. That's what all this is really all about.


bigann - 10/29/2009 at 08:07 PM

You're right....that's what it's all about....I'm just trying to get the message out to 'awaken' as many as possible that they can go a long way towards healing themselves.


bigann - 10/30/2009 at 01:08 AM

I've included a link to some information about spoon bending. Granted, it's a common parlour trick, however it's a real phenomenon. This particular link focuses on bending the spoon using your thoughts.....(this is included in noetics).... however another method is to select a spoon, hold the thin neck between your first finger and thumb and begin rubbing the metal. If you focus your energy on the spoon bending as you rub the neck with your thumb, with practice the spoon will bend.

I know some people who are just able to hold a spoon in a heightened state and the spoon will bend.......our daughter is one of them and I've got a drawer full of bent spoons and forks that she's just touched. At the very least, it's an interesting exercize and given a little time, it teaches you how to focus on your energy to effect change.

http://www.mind-energy.net/archives/167-Spoon-bending-instructions-and-pict ures.html


bigann - 10/30/2009 at 07:39 PM

There's a movie coming out with George Clooney that's about a 'psychic soldier'. It's a true story and the government actually experimented with using remote viewing and other 'mind' processes.

Although the movie is about more than remote viewing I thought I'd share an overview of it with anyone who hasn't heard much about it. And the fun thing is, we can all try it. One of the first ways to start developing that particular talent is to have someone put a picture in a large envelope and seal it. Then you look at the envelope and try to let your mind go blank as you stare at it. When the impressions start popping into your mind, you write down words, phrases or even a rough sketch of what you're picking up from the picture. You'll be surprised at what you can 'see' after a while.

A lot of policemen who have 'hunches' are very good, much to their surprise, at this exercise. There's more information in the link provided for anyone who wants to explore it in more detail.

http://www.remoteviewing.com/how-remote-viewing-works/


SantaCruzBluz - 10/30/2009 at 07:46 PM

Ann, it seems to me that as we evolve as a people, we will eventually communicate with our thoughts. Have you ever read "Mutant Message Down Under?" I won't get into it if you haven't read it, but one thing I took from the book is that when a people are completely honest with each other, and hide nothing from each other, because they do not judge or condemn each other, they develop the ability to communicate that way. Like an old couple who have been together forever, and know what each other is thinking.


bigann - 10/31/2009 at 06:01 AM

That certainly explains some things going on around here. I can't begin to count the times either Johnny or I will say something the other one is thinking about and often one of us will answer something the other one never asked but was wondering. I feel sorry for him if he's reading my mind....it's a very scary place to visit.


SantaCruzBluz - 11/2/2009 at 04:19 PM

Bump for the fat boy. I know this is his favorite thread.

bigann, have you ever been around anyone levitating objects? I had forgotten that we experimented with this when I was about 18. It all started with a paranormal experience some friends had, which made them get up in the middle of the night and drive home from Charleston to Macon. That was probably my first experience with something "out of the ordinary." I've never done it since, but it worked then. It was a matter of four of us focusing our energy.


bigann - 11/2/2009 at 05:37 PM

When I was in the eighth grade a girl came in with an experiiment that several of us tried. She tied a ring to the end of a string and tied the other end to something that allowed it to hang down without touching anything. Then we focused our energy on making the ring move in a clockwise direction while a couple of others focused on us NOT moving the ring. It's the first and only time I've ever seen anything move in about a six inch circle in incriments....the experiment really got my attention.

I've never tried levitating anything other than during tabletipping which is also something very interesting. Please tell me more about your experience because I'd like to try levitating an object with some people I know.


SantaCruzBluz - 11/2/2009 at 05:53 PM

I don't know what table tipping is. Maybe this is a form of that. Someone there knew how to do this, and here's what we did:

We had one person sit in a chair, while the four of us stood around him. Two behind him on each side, and one on each side of his legs. We held our hands clasped like praying with the index fingers straight out. On a signal, the two people behind the subject stuck their extended index fingers under his armpit from behind. The subjects arms were hanging limp. The two on either side of him stuck their extended fingers under the crook of his knee. We all attempted to pick the person up like that, and it was literally impossible to do.

Then we removed our hands, and stepped back a little. The "leader" then reached out and held his hand, palm down, above the head of the subject, but not touching it. Then another person put his hand out a few inches above the first one. We went around until each person had both hands out, in a vertical line, but not touching, while we all concentrated our thoughts on raising the person. You would put your hand out when you felt the time was right, and all this took several minutes. We then slowly brought our hands back, still concentrating, and not making any noise or sounds. When the last hand came back, that was the signal to reposition ourselves and slip our fingers back where we tried to lift him. The only way I can describe what happened next is to say the person floated to the ceiling while we effortlessly raised our hands along with him. We literally had heads touching the ceiling, while never even flexing the muscles of our arms.

Maybe it was the mix of people, or something, as I've never tried it since. But we did it with at least 6 people, and even raised one sitting cross legged in the middle of a heavy oak table...raised him table and all with less effort that it takes to raise a beer. I was not one of the ones to be raised, but those who were said when the hands were over their heads, it felt like something was trying to pull them up by the top of the head, and when our fingers went under them, they felt like they just floated up out of the chair. I stress that we were not physically raising them. There was no effort involved.


bigann - 11/2/2009 at 06:11 PM

I haven't ever heard of that experiment before but it sounds very interesting and I'm anxious to try it out. I'm starting a group the first of the year for people wanting to learn about energy and how to use it....this will definitely be something we try. Thank you.

Here is a link to one article about table tippiing but there are several others online. I've found that it will work even in a well lighted place with other people around but, like the Ouiji board, it can be misused and can attract negative energies if not done with proper grounding and protection. Most of the articles leave out this important step in the process.


http://www.goldenrealms.com/page7.htm


SantaCruzBluz - 11/2/2009 at 07:34 PM

I'd be interested in hearing how it works with other people. We weren't laughing or clowning. After it worked the first time. we were serious about it. We did it a number of times over a weekend, and never did it again after that. I have no idea what you could do if you had the right people and practiced it.

The whole thing was weird from the start. I was living with a room mate in an apartment. Our next door neighbors had gone up to South Carolina on Friday to spend the weekend with some friends who had moved up there. I got a call from them late Friday evening asking me to call one of them's boss and tell him he wouldn't be at work the next day, and told me the excuse to give him. I guess that's what he had to do to get a weekend off. I told him sure, and made the call.

The next morning when I got up and went outside, the car they were driving was sitting in front of their apartment. What they experienced after we got off the phone made them leave the house they were staying in in the middle of the night, and drive all the way home to middle Georgia. Naturally, I went over to find out why they were home. At first they just kind of blew me off, but then my room mate kind of demanded they say why they came home. They then told us what they experienced. One of them would talk, and then the other, filling in the pieces for each other as much as us. Terry was a former Army Ranger, who was a no-nonsense, don't believe it if I can't see it kind of guy, and he was visibly shaken, as was his wife, Gail.


SantaCruzBluz - 11/2/2009 at 07:50 PM

I've known lots of people who have ghosts in their homes, though I've never had the good fortune to see one of them. All of those ghosts are pretty friendly, but apparently the house my friends stayed at had a very powerful negative energy about it. The people they were staying with were named Kyle and Joey, Kyle being the girl. After we talked on the phone, they all played cards for awhile, and then Joey went to bed. The others were talking, and Kyle told my friends she really didn't like being in the house, that she had seen things and that it was scary to her there. They hadn't seen or felt anything at that point, and told her. The house was an antebellum mansion that had been owned by Joey's ancestors. His g-g-grandfather's Civil War uniform and other belongings were in the attic, and Joey had showed them to my friends.

They all finally went on to bed, and both of my friends said the house seemed to come to life. They could hear boards squeaking like people were walking all over the house, and they could see what looked like wisps of fog floating around in the hallway. Both described a feeling of something very powerful filling up the room, although they hadn't said anything to each other yet. Terry said he finally looked over at the window, and he could see a pair of eyes on the inside of the windows looking at him. He said he looked down at Gail's face to see if she was awake, and he could see she was looking at the eyes, too, and was terrified. he said he put his hand over her face, and said, "Pray, Gail!" She said, "I am praying!," and she told us that she was praying as hard as she could, but she didn't think it was doing any good. she said she felt like whatever was in the room was trying to get inside her.

She finally said, "Terry, we have to get out of here!" They jumped up and dressed, gathered their things, and woke up their friends and told them they were leaving. Gail's mom was going through some stuff at the time, and they used that as an excuse. They said when they went out to leave, Kyle and Joey's car was parked behind theirs, from going out to eat the day before. They had to move, but when they tried to crank the cars, neither one would crank. They kept trying, and they finally both cranked at the same time.

My friends said the feeling they had inside the room did not leave them until the pulled off of the street Kyle and Joey lived on, and then it left them very abruptly. they were both still pretty shook up when they were telling us about it. We wanted to go up there sometime to check it out, but they said they'd never go again. That is the conversation that led to the levitating. A pretty unusual weekend, for sure.


bigann - 11/2/2009 at 10:04 PM

That's an amzing story and I'm like you, I would love to visit that place sometime. Of course I say that now from the safety of my chair. I went to a house that was reputed to be haunted and couldn't make it past the front porch before I was run off. Whatever was there didn't want anything to do with me and I've never felt so uncomfortable around a presence in my life. I turned and quickly took a photo before I got back to the car and there was the face of a woman in the upstairs window.....and it was an empty house. I never went back and usually I don't get creeped out like that.

What's your strangest encounter personally?


SantaCruzBluz - 11/2/2009 at 11:41 PM

You know, I've never had any kind of 'supernatural" experience, other than what I mentioned in New Orleans. I said I thought I saw two angels, but what i should have said is that I really think I saw one, and very possibly two, of my own personal guides. I'll tell you all about that sometime in person. It isn't any kind of a ghost story, and happened in broad daylight on a city street.

I've believed in paranormal activity my whole life and have read a lot about it. And like I said, I have friends in Macon who have some awesome stories to tell, but I've never experienced anything myself like that. But when my son was 2, I think he had a premonition that friend of ours was going to die that night. It is a pretty good story (other than our friend died) , and I'll tell it as soon as I go cut the grass.

What about you, Ann?


bigann - 11/3/2009 at 12:09 AM

Other than the incident I mentioned and having an overwhelming sense of dread in a number of houses, probably one of the funniest incidents happened in the basement at Capricorn studios.

We were down there checking things out on the first trip we made to look at the place with Phil and Johnny took me over to the bathroom in the corner which was the only bathroom in the building when he started working there. He told me people said it was haunted but when I went down I didn't really pick up anything. I took several photos...including one of the bathroom and then as we were starting back up the stairs, I felt this energy pass through me and I shivered. It wasn't creepy and I've experienced the phenomenon since then however it took me by complete surprise. It was energy of whatever was down there passing though me and it was a tingling feeling that kind of tickled.

When I got the photos developed, there was a discernable presence in one of the pictures.....and, believe it or not, it looked like a horse. Anyway, as dark as the basement was and as weak as the flash on my camera had been the photos I took down there look as if they were taken in full light....especially the bathroom. Since then, I've realized if there is a presence around, my photos light up significently and I've photographed a number of large orbs that show up in the pictures.

Now, dreams are another thing.....I've had some really strange 'dreams' that were 'visits' from the other side. I'll tell you about them after I hear your story about your son's precognition.


Jerry - 11/3/2009 at 12:46 AM

I'd love to see that photo.


bigann - 11/3/2009 at 01:10 AM

If I can find the photo and figure out how to scan it into my computer from the new printer I'll send it to you. I know, a lot of 'ifs' but things around here are in utter chaos.


SantaCruzBluz - 11/3/2009 at 01:28 AM

We were living in Milton, Florida, in a house right on Blackwater Bay. It was in the late summer of 1981. My son was two. We lived in a big house, my wife, my son and I. We had let my helper at work move into the bedroom down at the end of the hall. He was nineteen, and from Louisiana. It was a Friday night, and we were having a keg party in our backyard, which was right on the water. Several people had set up tents and were staying the weekend. We had a big fire going.

My wife and my helper's girlfriend, Phoebe, decided to go to Pensacola Beach to party, and Wade, my helper, was going to join them later. I was going to stay home and baby sit. The girls left, and I was standing out by the fire holding Jeremy. Wade was about to leave for the beach, and asked if anyone wanted any Qualudes. One guy I didn't know said, "I don't want any Qualudes. Qualudes killed my best friend" I'll never forget Wade's reply. He laughed and said, "Well, they aren't going to kill me."

He left a few minutes later, and I was still standing by the fire holding Jeremy. I just happened to look down and his face, and his eyes were huge, and he looked terrified. I asked him what was wrong, and he said, "My see tiger, Daddy." I assured him there was no tigers, but for the rest of the evening, he would not let me put him down. He saw something in the fire that scared him. When robin and Phoebe got home much later that evening, he was still awake and still would not let me put him down. I gave him to robin, and she held him until we went to bed, and he insisted on sleeping in the bed with us.

The next morning, Jeremy was the same way. One of us had to hold him. ou couldn't put him down. He was very quiet, and you'd think he'd forget, and try to put him down, and he'd just grab hold. late in the morning, Phoebe stepped out of Wade's bedroom, and asked if I'd seen him. she said he never came home the night before. I told her no, but that he probably crashed at one of the other guy's homes. She started getting panicky, and insisted that something terrible had happened. Finally, she asked Robin for a ride home, and Robin took her. Before robin got back, Phoebe called to tell us Wade had flipped his car on the S curves at Navarre, and was dead.

Over the next few days, people came and got Wade's things, and that was it. He was gone from our lives. Jeremy, who was usually very talkative and inquisitive about everything, never asked about Wade, where he was, or why people were taking his stuff. He was very quiet the whole time and stayed very close to Robin and me. I don't know what he saw in the fire that night, but something scared him and affected him for days.


bigann - 11/3/2009 at 02:23 AM

Children are so much closer to the veil than we adults are and I have no doubt the little fellow saw what happened. Good for you to have recognized how the incident really affected him and kept him close.

Now for the story I mentioned...well, one of them anyway....my dad had a heart attack a few months earlier and the doctors didn't think he'd make it out of the hospital alive...but he did. One night I was in a half dream, half awake state and I saw my grandfather sitting at the end of the bed looking at me. He died when I was 16 or 17 and although I hadn't forgotten him, I hadn't really thought about him in a while, but there he was. He looked so sad that I started crying....I didn't know why, but I could feel the sadness he conveyed like a tangible thing. Two days later my father was rushed to the hosptial in congestive heart failure. He recovered and I forgot the incident with my grandfather...in fact, I didn't even make a connection.

About a year later, the same thing happend and Grandpa was sitting at the end of my bed. He didn't have the deep sadness around him but he looked very concerned. Neither time did he 'speak' to me so I didn't know why he was there. Two days later Dad was bak in the hosptial with congestive heart failure. After that, Dad took better care of himself and I never saw my grandfather again. Of course by that time I figured out he'd been trying to tell me there was something wrong with my father.


SantaCruzBluz - 11/3/2009 at 02:36 AM

That's cool. I've never seen anything like that. My mother told me her mother told her that she saw her own mother working in the garden at times after she died. My own mother saw some forms in the house once that looked like wisps of fog shaped like people. But I've not seen anything spooky like that.

Well, come to think of it, I did have something very weird happen several years ago, during a time I was back in Georgia for Christmas. I was staying at my sister's house, and was asleep in the guest room. In my sleep, I heard people talking out in the living room, and I could hear my father;s voice, many years after he'd died. Most of my dreams are all murky and don't make sense, but this one was vivid, and the setting and everything was real. i got up out of my bed, and walked around the suitcase laying on the floor. I opened the door, and stepped out in the hall where I could see a room full of people. i could hear my father's voice from around the corner. I stepped around the corner, and walked straight over to him to hug him. I recognized his voice, but it didn't look like him. It was a much smaller man. As I leaned over to hug him, I said, "I thought I heard you out here." also at that moment, I heard a female voice behind me say, "Look. Allen is in his underwear." As I was turning to see who said it, suddenly the phone was ringing, and my sister was knocking on the bedroom door. I got up out of the bed, in my underwear, and walked around the suitcase again, opened the door, and stepped across the hall into the room where the party was just taking place.

That was so bizarre. I only wish I'd had time to see who all else was in the room. I felt perfectly comfortable there, in my underwear, and even hugging a man who I knew was my Dad but did not look like him. I told my sister about what had just happened, and she mentioned this was the first time we;d ll been together for Christmas since he had died 16 years before. I told my Mom about it, and she said she hears him all the time.


bigann - 11/3/2009 at 03:34 AM

Not all encounters are spooky. I have no doubt that you saw what you saw and it was real. Same thing as me seeing my grandfather...you got to see your dad. I think a lot of us have things like this happen to us but we tend to dismiss it as our imagination, a dream, etc. One thing I read, which has proven true so far in my case, is when you 'dream' in color, you're astral traveling. Regular dreams are usually in black and white.


Jerry - 11/3/2009 at 03:42 AM

What kind of car was Wade driving when he flipped, and were there any stores close by?


SantaCruzBluz - 11/3/2009 at 05:52 PM

It was a small foreign car, and there were no stores on the curve he crashed on.


Tarzan - 11/3/2009 at 07:20 PM

this is an intersting thread


SantaCruzBluz - 11/4/2009 at 05:07 PM

quote:
Not all encounters are spooky. I have no doubt that you saw what you saw and it was real. Same thing as me seeing my grandfather...you got to see your dad. I think a lot of us have things like this happen to us but we tend to dismiss it as our imagination, a dream, etc. One thing I read, which has proven true so far in my case, is when you 'dream' in color, you're astral traveling. Regular dreams are usually in black and white.


My favorite dream, which I've only had a few times, is when I'm flying. No fear at all, being able to swoop way down close to the ground, or water, and then fly straight up as high as you want to go. I wake up feeling excited and reinvigorated.

I believe that when we dream we are flying, our "soul" really is out of the body flying around free.


bigann - 11/4/2009 at 05:33 PM

As I was reading that post I was about to say that most dreams of flying are actually our escape from the body for astral traveling. I used to be very afraid of the flying dream but once I embraced it, it's wonderful.


bigann - 11/5/2009 at 05:25 PM

I thought I'd mention...for anyone who didn't already know...that we have chakras in our hands and feet. If one was to massage his or her feet at night while they're watching television, it would hlep keep the energy channels open and flowing. Same with your hands. Ever notice how when a person is upset they tend to 'wring their hands'? It's a subconscious way our body responds to distress to keep energy blockages from occuring.

For a week, try using lotion on your feet and giveing them a good massage and then do the same with your hands....and see how you're feeling at the end of the seven days.


bigann - 11/6/2009 at 06:07 PM

Have you ever picked up an object that made you feel either good or bad? For instance, gone into an antique store and touched an item that was so creepy you didn't want to hold it any longer? Or found something at, say a yard sale, that you just had to have and didn't know why? I have and I think the rest of you have too but maybe didn't understand why. It could be something called psychometry. Some people are able to tell the history of the object and get readings from the people who instilled it with their energy in the past.

I've picked up things that made me sad, some things that made me put them down immediately and I'm wearing a small ring right now that carries with it so much good feeling it makes me happy. It's a small 18K white gold wedding band with an inscription from 1923. I'm not developed enough to know the history of the person who wore it, but for the while she did, she was very happy.

Anyway, I thought maybe I'd share this aspect of energy with you and include a link for anyone who might want to read more. Billy Bob Thornton can't stand antique furniture....his mother is a psychic so it's understandable he would have some degree of ability and this explains his dislikes.


http://paranormal.about.com/cs/espinformation/a/aa063003.htm


SantaCruzBluz - 11/6/2009 at 06:14 PM

I definably get "vibes" off objects. Sometimes I'll find an old tool at a flea market, and the more I hold it in my hands, the more I can "feel" something from someone who held this thing every day for years. There is also something you can feel when you find an arrowhead or other artifact, and hold it in your hand for awhile.

One of the fringe benefits I've found of getting rid of all the clutter and other unneeded junk in my life is that now I can fill my space with objects that really resonate with me. I still buy things, but I don't buy anything I don't need (and I've found I don't need that much) or that I really like, and a lot of that comes from just what you are talking about...how it makes me feel.


bigann - 11/6/2009 at 06:19 PM

I envy you that you're able to have only the things that speak to you. When we bought the house from Johnny's mother, we bought it with everything in it and since then our kids have left things here for us to keep....sometimes I feel there are people in here yelling at me with all the different energies. That's why I set up a meditation room with only the things that are peaceful to me so I can just go sit in there when it gets too 'busy' in the rest of the house.


SantaCruzBluz - 11/6/2009 at 06:29 PM

Boy, you can really feel it when you walk into a house that has lots of generations of stuff.

Yeah, you have to have a space like you're talking about. A place where it feels light and clean and airy. That one family Bible that I got rid of made the whole house feel that way.


bigann - 11/7/2009 at 08:45 PM

I figured if anyone was interested I'd share a little exercise I use with my classes to help people experience and recognize their own energy.

Take you left hand with the palm up and your right hand with your palm down and rub then together briskly until you feel them start to heat up and continue until you actually feel them start to tingle.

Pull your hands apart about three inches and then move the right hand back and forth over the left hand. When the energy is flowing you should be able to feel a definite difference when the hand passes over the other one.

Next, when you've gotten the energy going, take your right hand and run it up and down your left arm about an inch from the skin. Try the same thing with your left hand and you should feel the energy as it passes over your skiin.

It might happen for you immediately or it might take a few tries but either way, it's a quick, easy way to feel your own energy.


SantaCruzBluz - 11/7/2009 at 08:57 PM

Hey, that's pretty cool. I think I can see it, too.


bigann - 11/7/2009 at 10:48 PM

You can.....and the more someone does it the better they can see it...especially against a light wall. And once a person starts feeling the energy this way, they can start turning it on and up a notch without having to rub their hands first.

If you've tried the first method, go on to the second step. Put your left palm about two inches over the back of your left hand and hold it there while visualizing the energy flowing from your palm. When you start to feel the 'heat' start raising your right hand further away from your left one until the heat stops. As you work with it more and more, you'll be able to feel the energy from several inches away. Let me know how you do.


Jerry - 11/8/2009 at 01:49 AM

Just thought I'd add something that's been ongoing for many years with me. People always claim I have that "magic touch" in getting computers to act right. Several times people have repeatedly brought computers to me that they claim don't work right when they get home, but around me, they work perfectly. Most of these are not novice users either.

Last Saturday an older gentleman asked me to look at his computer that wouldn't load a certain program. (He's trying to load Office 2000 on Win7, which shouldn't work anyway.)
He had tried the Geek Squad and several computer shops, but no luck on loading it.

I told him I'd try, but I didn't think I'd have any more luck than the others. Trying to liven things up, I laid both hands on top of this tower and in my best TV faith healer voice said "H-E-A-L". Plugged up the desktop, popped in the cd, and the "loading" screen came on.
He said "That's about as far as it gets and then it comes up with-"

The screen then read "Installing Office 2000 Professional on your computer." A moment later, "Enter cd key code"

The next sound I heard was "huh?" followed by a click where the guy's jaw had dropped so far open that his upper denture fell on the floor. The guy acted like he had just had a religious experience.

So I guess it just needed someone with the right touch.


bigann - 11/8/2009 at 02:06 AM

I'm not surprised. I haven't met many people who had that gift....certainly no one who ever worked on anything I've owned.....so I'm going to keep your name on file just in case.


bigann - 11/9/2009 at 05:30 AM

Here is some interesting information for anyone who wants to know more about auras and how to learn to see them.

http://www.thiaoouba.com/seeau.htm


bigann - 11/11/2009 at 05:58 AM

Here is some information about Psychic Protection for any who are interested.

Psychic Protection

Psychic Protection. If you think you are suffering from some form of psychic attack (see psychic attack for more information), then you need to protect yourself. Psychic attack is when a person, or group of people, consciously or unconsciously decides to harm you psychically, or drain your life force. The latter practice is known as psychic vampirism. Psychic self-defense involves protecting yourself from absorbing negative energies allowing someone else to reprogram your unconscious. Instances of psychic attack come from fear so dealing with insecurities and phobias, and balancing yourself is very important for protecting yourself from psychic attack. Loving yourself and accepting yourself is a great source of strength as well.

Other ways of protecting yourself are:

• Visualize white or gold light around you in an egg shape coming out of your head and coming round underneath you to completely seal you inside the light;

• Wear protective crystals such as quartz, jasper, agate or turquoise or whatever works best for you;

• Praying for help in times of stress can be very effective.
Some people are particularly sensitive to others and these people act as sponges, soaking up negative energy from people around them. These people must take care to protect themselves so they don't absorb too much negative energy.

Interaction with people should be positive and encouraging. If you feel drained and put down in someone's company then you need to protect yourself from them. Some people manipulate others through fear and guilt. It is very important to maintain your boundaries in dealing with demanding people. Helping others is good, but not if it damages yourself.


bigann - 11/12/2009 at 05:42 AM

Here's some information on psychic attacks you might find interesting:

PSYCHIC ATTACK

Psychic attack occurs when a person, or group of people, is draining another person's energy or directing negative energy towards them. Some people do this consciously but more often people are unaware of the effect they are having on the person under attack. People who feed off another's energy are known as psychic vampires. They work in a similar way to normal vampires, but instead of drinking blood, they tap into a person's aura and drain their energy that way. Sometimes it is possible to tell when some one is under psychic attack because spending time with a particular person can leave them feeling drained. This person can be very needy or demanding, or very antagonistic and aggressive, and may manipulate their victim into doing things they wouldn't want to do.
Warning signs of psychic attack:

• Tiredness or fatigue.
• Headaches.
• Nightmares.
• Anxiety or panic attacks.
• Depression.
• Pessimism, low confidence, negative thinking.

Ultimately long-term psychic attack can have physical consequences and people can suffer illnesses as a direct result of being subject to psychic attack.

People working stressful jobs can be more prone to psychic attack than others, or people who have been abused. Fears, insecurities and weaknesses leave people open to psychic attack - unresolved fears may leave a way in for an attack to happen.

Some psychics specialize in dealing with psychic attacks. Psychics who deal with psychic attacks, psychic protection and psychic healing can help those feeling vulnerable. It is believed that people's negative thoughts and bad intentions can manifest themselves as a psychic attack against the person they are directed at.

Often people who believe they are under psychic attack are instead experiencing the usual stresses of day-to-day living, or some other problem, so it is worth seeking advice.


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