Thread: Mueller Has Proven To Be A Partisan Hack

Fretsman - 5/29/2019 at 05:54 PM

From the moment he picked an all Democrat Attack Team to compile his "unbiased" investigation to his BS little news conference today. AG Barr is in Alaska visiting troops, Trump is retrurning from Japan, and Congress is out.


This Jack-ass is a stain on the Dept Of Justice. He needs to be subpoenaed to answer many questions about his handling of this mockery of justice. He needs to answer why he didn't chose a bipartisan group for this so called bipartisan investigation. When did he know that the whole basis was fraudulent. If he knew after a year that it was an empty argument why did he drag it out past the mid term elections? We got the gifts of Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar being sworn into an American Political office with hands on the Quran a book that promotes killing infidels (such as Americans), raping and enslaving the infidels women and children? Has anyone in the "unbiased" media ever questioned them on Sharia Law and their stances on such violent beliefs? Another rhetorical question.

The collusion was with him and his Democratic cronies to drag it out and paint a negative picture out of an empty art set.

If he was once an honorable American, he lost that honor with this fiasco. I'm sure all of his chosen hacks were in touch with the Democrat's all along and this was a guided undertaking to lead the sheep. Push the safe space trophies for all crowd to put on vag' hats and march the streets. Decriminalize crimes and bring the whole world to America to have free everything while our once great and proud nation turns into a cesspool. Feces and needles will replace the stars and stripes. In a country that now seems to value victimhood over accomplishments we're creating more victims and less drive to succeed. Our national birth rates decline as folks choose a life of foreplay over conventional family.

The same sheep that profess to protect the planet dump trash in the streets and parks as they pour used motor oil down the toilet, they profess peace and tranquility yet cover their faces and attack innocent fellow Americans as they brag that they punched a Nazi? Gender is an empty word. Reality is ignored when it comes to Men and Women, pick a bathroom no problem, Little Suzie is in there, but if it traumatizes her so what? There are so many issues that were once no brainers, but are now issues because of the no brainers. Pollution, crime, and immorality are the new ideals.

Violence and perversion is fed to our youth through movies, games, and media. I watched the movie Kingsmen and it is an action movie tailored for most ages and at the end some Princess of another country says she's give up her "bum" if the guy saves the world? So anal sex is a mainstream promotion? The movie Springbreakers has teenage girls involved in massive drug use, crime, and lesbianism. My kids are 25 and 26 and it was bad when they were preteens and teenagers. Grand Theft Auto Vice City lets kids beat up, shoot up, kill, and run over cops and prostitutes? Is it a wonder there is so much sexual dysfunction or rampant shootings? Moral decay doesn't start or end with the President, it starts in boardrooms and corporate meetings. Family values and faith are frowned upon. Somebody somewhere is building an ark.

Trump is not the perfect man, that in itself is an understatement, but he is the elected President Of The United States during turbulent times. He is fighting for the country in matters that are important. North Korea, Iran, Russia, & China are problems that he is attempting to address. He isn't hosting concerts at the White House once a month, he's engaging in the country's needs not his own.

We need term limits ASAP. It most likely will never happen, but to have a brain dead core of morons leading the country is disheartening. If there's no term limits forthcoming there should be an age limit. Nadler was out of it the other day, He looked like a decrepit Captain Pike from Star Trek, maybe we should prop his dopey little ass in chair and give him lights to answer yes and no. When Diblasio has to save the day when you're in la la land and then stating it was a dehydration issue is the cover up. Put that fool out to pasture. You want to become a millionaire in America? Go to a coastal liberal state and run for Democratic office. Nancy, Chuck, Schiff, Cumnmings, Green, and the rest should be out of Government, for the sake of the Country.

Mueller is just a tool. He was never looking to be fair and just. His choices and deeds make that abundantly clear. May Karma chew up and spit out his filthy little soul. Just a cog in the wheel that is ruining a once level headed, proud, and just nation.

We need voter ID's in this country. Everyone has sources of income, electric bills, phones, cars, licenses, and so many other identifiers of exactly who we are as Americans. If you want to end the corruption of our voting process that's the only way. Far too many shenanigans are going on. Ballots are being filled in by God knows who, That's what is unamerican and the true threat to true democracy.


leafsfan - 5/29/2019 at 06:40 PM

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North Korea, Iran, Russia, & China
Two of these and maybe three are problems he has created and Russia is not a problem but a great place to go to get pee'd on by hookers.


BIGV - 5/29/2019 at 07:17 PM

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We need voter ID's in this country.


Absolutely and now


porkchopbob - 5/29/2019 at 07:21 PM

I found Mueller's comments quite partisan, with two clear purposes:

1. To clearly not absolve a sitting President of possible crimes and clearly state why in case there were lingering questions or misinterpretations from both sides.
2. To squash Democrats' desire to have him testify further.

I won't go point by point, Fretsman, so I'll just say I think you are overreacting, sometimes factually wrong, and as neither a Democrat or Republican myself, I disagree with most of what you wrote.


porkchopbob - 5/29/2019 at 07:23 PM

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We need voter ID's in this country.

Absolutely and now

Voter IDs have caused far more problems than they have solved.


Fretsman - 5/29/2019 at 07:28 PM

Is that you Mrs. Steele? 2 or 3 of the 4, I know where you're coming from with the hooker's pee'ing comment.


Iran would've had a nuclear weapons in under 15 years from the old deal, Saudi Arabia and other countries in the area promised to get nuclear weapons too. Tricky situation that is a tough call, it takes testicles to actually make the calls. Iranian proxies have killed US Troops, the estimated numbers vary, but the fact that has/is happening does not.

North Korea = generations and decades old unsolved problem. You catch more bees with honey, but we all know what flies prefer. He's trying to schmooze peace from an unstable dictator that wants guaranteed continuation of his nations rule. Problems ignored don't go away.


China = major problem, decades old intellectual property theft. Get your how to and replicate your product and low ball the price market with their labor control over the people, Kiddie's work long shifts for minimal money to make them Kapernick's. Many a company make their products in other places to avoid the American labor rules/regulations. We believe in blue collar living wages and benefits other countries don't. The new agreement between US, Canada, & Mexico makes Mexico pay a living wage for a certain % of skilled workers. It's something? Hire American, Buy American, Make America business friendly, make Chinese products less desirable. Privacy issues, Military issues, South China Sea Access issues. Another tough situation ignored unsolved problem, Did I say how they don't go away?


Russia = Nuclear capability in the hands of a tyrant. They'd be irrelevant if they were run by a normal government. An unwanted enemy that seeks to annoy and provoke. Putin has had recent trips to meddle in North Korea, Iran, Syria, & China. He visits with Kim and then missiles are fired again. Coincidence I think not. Trump is a thorn in Putin's side. He fights with the Middle East to keep the oil supplies flowing. Oil is Russia's main money maker, when the supply/demand ratio is Trump driven Russia suffers. He pounds Merkel's plan for having their energy supply being controlled by Russia with that pipeline. We give major weaponry to the nations surrounding Russia for their own protection against the aggressive nation. Russia hates the current US policies. They meddled on social media and other platforms to influence our elections. Promoting rallies for rival parties at the same location. They tried multiple things, they have have learned a thing from America about election meddling, but when we do it for the betterment of the world I guess so it's not a factor?


Problems ignored need full American support to be solved. The other countries have power in the fact that the Dem's are in full attack mode on their own countries leader. They have they wait it out option. The Dem's, the media, the colleges, Hollywood, you know American's are on their side in this battle.


[Edited on 5/29/2019 by Fretsman]


BIGV - 5/29/2019 at 07:34 PM

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We need voter ID's in this country.

Absolutely and now

Voter IDs have caused far more problems than they have solved.


How so?


porkchopbob - 5/29/2019 at 07:39 PM

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We need voter ID's in this country.

Absolutely and now

Voter IDs have caused far more problems than they have solved.

How so?

Turning away more voters at the polls than in preventing voter fraud, which is infinitesimally rare.


PattyG - 5/29/2019 at 07:42 PM

What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. - If you continue to suck up Trumps lies you will soon be choking on your own vomit.

Robert Mueller Ė Has never been called a liar! Who do you think brought down the Gotti family, was he a liar then?

For his service in and during the Vietnam War, his military decorations and awards include: the Bronze Star Medal with Combat "V", Purple Heart Medal, two Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medals with Combat "V", Combat Action Ribbon, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal with four service stars, Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal, and Parachutist Badge. While Donald Trump was lying about bone spurs did Robert Mueller get these medals and awards for lying about his service?

And I should believe the purveyor of over 10,000 lies? If I were in a combat situation I would prefer to have Robert Mueller watching my back. Donald Trump is a coward and a traitor. So here we have it another traitor defending Trump.


Fretsman - 5/29/2019 at 07:52 PM

Yeah, that was Mueller then, Mueller now is a partisan hack who is going out like a dog with no sense of impartiality. He needs to be put under oath and explain his choices.


BIGV - 5/29/2019 at 07:55 PM

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We need voter ID's in this country.

Absolutely and now

Voter IDs have caused far more problems than they have solved.

How so?

Turning away more voters at the polls than in preventing voter fraud, which is infinitesimally rare.


How important is the legitimacy of exactly who is voting and just how many times?


PattyG - 5/29/2019 at 07:55 PM

Yes of course he magically became a liar and fraud because Traitor Trump is president. Were you choking a little bit when you wrote this post? May haps I think you were just a little bit.


BIGV - 5/29/2019 at 07:58 PM

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Yes of course he magically became a liar and fraud because Traitor Trump is president. Were you choking a little bit when you wrote this post? May haps I think you were just a little bit.


Further proof that to disagree with a Trump hater is well, unimaginable....


porkchopbob - 5/29/2019 at 08:00 PM

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What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth.

The Trump administration is quick to discredit pretty much anyone, I guess I'm not surprised his supporters would quickly attack Mueller rather than parse his words. It's interesting, and sometimes disappointing, what people choose to believe without question.


BIGV - 5/29/2019 at 08:02 PM

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What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth.

The Trump administration is quick to discredit pretty much anyone, I guess I'm not surprised his supporters would quickly attack Mueller rather than parse his words. It's interesting, and sometimes disappointing, what people choose to believe without question.


Does this apply to Democrats as well as Trump supporters?


porkchopbob - 5/29/2019 at 08:09 PM

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Turning away more voters at the polls than in preventing voter fraud, which is infinitesimally rare.

How important is the legitimacy of exactly who is voting and just how many times?

An election is less legitimate if voters are turned away at the polls, especially at the expense of curbing a crime that occurs infinitesimally, if ever.


[Edited on 5/29/2019 by porkchopbob]


porkchopbob - 5/29/2019 at 08:12 PM

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What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth.

The Trump administration is quick to discredit pretty much anyone, I guess I'm not surprised his supporters would quickly attack Mueller rather than parse his words. It's interesting, and sometimes disappointing, what people choose to believe without question.


Does this apply to Democrats as well as Trump supporters?

I haven't heard many Democrats attack Mueller's credibility, no.


BIGV - 5/29/2019 at 08:21 PM

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Turning away more voters at the polls than in preventing voter fraud, which is infinitesimally rare.

How important is the legitimacy of exactly who is voting and just how many times?

An election is less legitimate if voters are turned away at the polls, especially at the expense of curbing a crime that occurs infinitesimally, if ever.


So, Russians could vote freely without I.D.?


BIGV - 5/29/2019 at 08:23 PM

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What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth.

The Trump administration is quick to discredit pretty much anyone, I guess I'm not surprised his supporters would quickly attack Mueller rather than parse his words. It's interesting, and sometimes disappointing, what people choose to believe without question.


Does this apply to Democrats as well as Trump supporters?

I haven't heard many Democrats attack Mueller's credibility, no.


I was referencing this quote directly:

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It's interesting, and sometimes disappointing, what people choose to believe without question.


BIGV - 5/29/2019 at 08:30 PM

I just refuse to buy the argument that there are citizens in this country that can not provide adequate Identification, or can not obtain it.


Fretsman - 5/29/2019 at 08:31 PM

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The Trump administration is quick to discredit pretty much anyone, I guess I'm not surprised his supporters would quickly attack Mueller rather than parse his words. It's interesting, and sometimes disappointing, what people choose to believe without question.


Did you find Mueller's Team to be unbiased and above board, I did not. 18 hired guns with all barrels aimed at one target for one purpose. Nary a flesh wound? Loads of gun shot noise, but not one strike.

When did the interviews end? When did they know our president or any American was not involved in the Russian's multi headed scheme? Adam Schiff is on tape trying to get pictures of "naked Trump". Hello!! that's more collusion than Don Jr having a Trump Tower meeting that was made possible by political enemies. Didn't the Russian chick meet with SimpsonGPS folks pre and post meeting? Popadopalus had a story planted by a spy with an agenda and then attempted to be confirmed by a 2nd plant with an agenda. Honey traps? These are not statements from Trump. They're politically motivated and engineered events. If it was known to be a fraud after 6 months why was it dragged out til after the mid term elections? This is all Mueller and his Merry Men. Past crimes got Manafort and Cohen. To pay a prostitute hush money is not clean, but who made out? Isn't that paying twice to be screwed once? We all see what kind of cat Michael Avenetti was. Fits right in over there. I'm an Independent and am looking for a candidate with reason, common sense, and some math skills.

The whole anti-Trump thing is being viewed with blinders on. Loads on questionable Congressional Leadership being purposely overlooked. We need Rowdy Roddy Piper glasses to see the players and their actions here.

It's in vogue at the moment and some people like to be stylish no matter how stupid they look.



[Edited on 5/29/2019 by Fretsman]


porkchopbob - 5/29/2019 at 08:42 PM

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I was referencing this quote directly:
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It's interesting, and sometimes disappointing, what people choose to believe without question.


Obviously people on both sides of the political spectrum have their own bias. I'm most speaking to the views voiced at the start of this thread. I think the amount of misinformation coming from this President is negligent.

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So, Russians could vote freely without I.D.?

Speaking of. Did this happen? Because actual US citizens who are registered voters have been turned away in states with strict voting ID laws. That's an actual problem. Should we stop unlikely hypothetical Tom Clancy situations (do you think Russians would waster their energy going to polls when they can disrupt by hacking?) or actual real life voting issues? Also, it's not like you didn't have to prove who you were when you went to the polls (you could use an electric bill!), you just didn't need to take the extra extra step of getting another ID every time you moved to a new precinct.


LUKE - 5/29/2019 at 09:00 PM

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From the moment he picked an all Democrat Attack Team to compile his "unbiased" investigation to his BS little news conference today. AG Barr is in Alaska visiting troops, Trump is retrurning from Japan, and Congress is out.


This Jack-ass is a stain on the Dept Of Justice. He needs to be subpoenaed to answer many questions about his handling of this mockery of justice. He needs to answer why he didn't chose a bipartisan group for this so called bipartisan investigation. When did he know that the whole basis was fraudulent. If he knew after a year that it was an empty argument why did he drag it out past the mid term elections? We got the gifts of Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar being sworn into an American Political office with hands on the Quran a book that promotes killing infidels (such as Americans), raping and enslaving the infidels women and children? Has anyone in the "unbiased" media ever questioned them on Sharia Law and their stances on such violent beliefs? Another rhetorical question.

The collusion was with him and his Democratic cronies to drag it out and paint a negative picture out of an empty art set.

If he was once an honorable American, he lost that honor with this fiasco. I'm sure all of his chosen hacks were in touch with the Democrat's all along and this was a guided undertaking to lead the sheep. Push the safe space trophies for all crowd to put on vag' hats and march the streets. Decriminalize crimes and bring the whole world to America to have free everything while our once great and proud nation turns into a cesspool. Feces and needles will replace the stars and stripes. In a country that now seems to value victimhood over accomplishments we're creating more victims and less drive to succeed. Our national birth rates decline as folks choose a life of foreplay over conventional family.

The same sheep that profess to protect the planet dump trash in the streets and parks as they pour used motor oil down the toilet, they profess peace and tranquility yet cover their faces and attack innocent fellow Americans as they brag that they punched a Nazi? Gender is an empty word. Reality is ignored when it comes to Men and Women, pick a bathroom no problem, Little Suzie is in there, but if it traumatizes her so what? There are so many issues that were once no brainers, but are now issues because of the no brainers. Pollution, crime, and immorality are the new ideals.

Violence and perversion is fed to our youth through movies, games, and media. I watched the movie Kingsmen and it is an action movie tailored for most ages and at the end some Princess of another country says she's give up her "bum" if the guy saves the world? So anal sex is a mainstream promotion? The movie Springbreakers has teenage girls involved in massive drug use, crime, and lesbianism. My kids are 25 and 26 and it was bad when they were preteens and teenagers. Grand Theft Auto Vice City lets kids beat up, shoot up, kill, and run over cops and prostitutes? Is it a wonder there is so much sexual dysfunction or rampant shootings? Moral decay doesn't start or end with the President, it starts in boardrooms and corporate meetings. Family values and faith are frowned upon. Somebody somewhere is building an ark.

Trump is not the perfect man, that in itself is an understatement, but he is the elected President Of The United States during turbulent times. He is fighting for the country in matters that are important. North Korea, Iran, Russia, & China are problems that he is attempting to address. He isn't hosting concerts at the White House once a month, he's engaging in the country's needs not his own.

We need term limits ASAP. It most likely will never happen, but to have a brain dead core of morons leading the country is disheartening. If there's no term limits forthcoming there should be an age limit. Nadler was out of it the other day, He looked like a decrepit Captain Pike from Star Trek, maybe we should prop his dopey little ass in chair and give him lights to answer yes and no. When Diblasio has to save the day when you're in la la land and then stating it was a dehydration issue is the cover up. Put that fool out to pasture. You want to become a millionaire in America? Go to a coastal liberal state and run for Democratic office. Nancy, Chuck, Schiff, Cumnmings, Green, and the rest should be out of Government, for the sake of the Country.

Mueller is just a tool. He was never looking to be fair and just. His choices and deeds make that abundantly clear. May Karma chew up and spit out his filthy little soul. Just a cog in the wheel that is ruining a once level headed, proud, and just nation.

We need voter ID's in this country. Everyone has sources of income, electric bills, phones, cars, licenses, and so many other identifiers of exactly who we are as Americans. If you want to end the corruption of our voting process that's the only way. Far too many shenanigans are going on. Ballots are being filled in by God knows who, That's what is unamerican and the true threat to true democracy.




AMEN BROTHER MAN !!!


BIGV - 5/29/2019 at 09:03 PM

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Because actual US citizens who are registered voters have been turned away in states with strict voting ID laws.


Link?


porkchopbob - 5/29/2019 at 09:06 PM

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The whole anti-Trump thing is being viewed with blinders on. Loads on questionable Congressional Leadership being purposely overlooked. We need Rowdy Roddy Piper glasses to see the players and their actions here.

It's in vogue at the moment and some people like to be stylish no matter how stupid they look.

Though there are indeed people who blindly hate Trump (just as there were those who blindly hated every other President who came before), every day there are new reasons to be legitimately mistrustful or dumbfounded of Trump simply based on what comes out of his mouth. You may agree with some of his policies on a given day (even I agree with a small handful of things he has touched), but I think there is a lot you are also choosing to ignore since you so quickly discredit those who disagree with you on the matter (just as some anti-Trumpers do the same to Trump supporters). In the fog of lies and insults, it's tough to have a legitimate discussion.


Skydog32103 - 5/29/2019 at 09:13 PM

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This Jack-ass is a stain on the Dept Of Justice. He needs to be subpoenaed to answer many questions about his handling of this mockery of justice. He needs to answer why he didn't chose a bipartisan group for this so called bipartisan investigation. When did he know that the whole basis was fraudulent. If he knew after a year that it was an empty argument why did he drag it out past the mid term elections? We got the gifts of Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar being sworn into an American Political office with hands on the Quran a book that promotes killing infidels (such as Americans), raping and enslaving the infidels women and children? Has anyone in the "unbiased" media ever questioned them on Sharia Law and their stances on such violent beliefs? Another rhetorical question.

The collusion was with him and his Democratic cronies to drag it out and paint a negative picture out of an empty art set.

If he was once an honorable American, he lost that honor with this fiasco. I'm sure all of his chosen hacks were in touch with the Democrat's all along and this was a guided undertaking to lead the sheep. Push the safe space trophies for all crowd to put on vag' hats and march the streets. Decriminalize crimes and bring the whole world to America to have free everything while our once great and proud nation turns into a cesspool. Feces and needles will replace the stars and stripes. In a country that now seems to value victimhood over accomplishments we're creating more victims and less drive to succeed. Our national birth rates decline as folks choose a life of foreplay over conventional family.

The same sheep that profess to protect the planet dump trash in the streets and parks as they pour used motor oil down the toilet, they profess peace and tranquility yet cover their faces and attack innocent fellow Americans as they brag that they punched a Nazi? Gender is an empty word. Reality is ignored when it comes to Men and Women, pick a bathroom no problem, Little Suzie is in there, but if it traumatizes her so what? There are so many issues that were once no brainers, but are now issues because of the no brainers. Pollution, crime, and immorality are the new ideals.

Violence and perversion is fed to our youth through movies, games, and media. I watched the movie Kingsmen and it is an action movie tailored for most ages and at the end some Princess of another country says she's give up her "bum" if the guy saves the world? So anal sex is a mainstream promotion? The movie Springbreakers has teenage girls involved in massive drug use, crime, and lesbianism. My kids are 25 and 26 and it was bad when they were preteens and teenagers. Grand Theft Auto Vice City lets kids beat up, shoot up, kill, and run over cops and prostitutes? Is it a wonder there is so much sexual dysfunction or rampant shootings? Moral decay doesn't start or end with the President, it starts in boardrooms and corporate meetings. Family values and faith are frowned upon. Somebody somewhere is building an ark.

Trump is not the perfect man, that in itself is an understatement, but he is the elected President Of The United States during turbulent times. He is fighting for the country in matters that are important. North Korea, Iran, Russia, & China are problems that he is attempting to address. He isn't hosting concerts at the White House once a month, he's engaging in the country's needs not his own.

We need term limits ASAP. It most likely will never happen, but to have a brain dead core of morons leading the country is disheartening. If there's no term limits forthcoming there should be an age limit. Nadler was out of it the other day, He looked like a decrepit Captain Pike from Star Trek, maybe we should prop his dopey little ass in chair and give him lights to answer yes and no. When Diblasio has to save the day when you're in la la land and then stating it was a dehydration issue is the cover up. Put that fool out to pasture. You want to become a millionaire in America? Go to a coastal liberal state and run for Democratic office. Nancy, Chuck, Schiff, Cumnmings, Green, and the rest should be out of Government, for the sake of the Country.

Mueller is just a tool. He was never looking to be fair and just. His choices and deeds make that abundantly clear. May Karma chew up and spit out his filthy little soul. Just a cog in the wheel that is ruining a once level headed, proud, and just nation.

We need voter ID's in this country. Everyone has sources of income, electric bills, phones, cars, licenses, and so many other identifiers of exactly who we are as Americans. If you want to end the corruption of our voting process that's the only way. Far too many shenanigans are going on. Ballots are being filled in by God knows who, That's what is unamerican and the true threat to true democracy.


some good points here, and some erratic paranoid fanaticism as well. either way i think fretsman needs a xanax and a vacation!!!


BIGV - 5/29/2019 at 09:15 PM

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either way i think fretsman needs a xanax and a vacation!!!


Why was that necessary?


porkchopbob - 5/29/2019 at 09:27 PM

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Because actual US citizens who are registered voters have been turned away in states with strict voting ID laws.

Link?

There's no way to quantify how many, but here are a few articles on the topic. The numbers already exceed documented voter fraud incidents.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wisconsin-voter-id-law-turned-voters-estimate/
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/26/us/elections/voter-id-laws.html
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a42451/scott-walker-vot er-id-veteran/

Also, it happened to someone I was with here in Florida in 2016. We double-checked and brought identification that was listed, but someone at the poll determined one of her forms of ID wasn't admissible even though it was on the list and hadn't expired. Luckily we were there on a Sunday and were able to go home and back to get her passport but how many just don't go back or can't? Or don't have an expensive (as far as IDs go) passport?


porkchopbob - 5/29/2019 at 09:30 PM

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either way i think fretsman needs a xanax and a vacation!!!

Why was that necessary?

Lighten up, dude. If someone on an Allman Brothers website questions if "anal sex is a mainstream promotion" I think it's ok to make light of it.


Chain - 5/29/2019 at 09:45 PM

The important point Mueller yet again mentioned was the evidence he and his team provided of past and continued Russian meddling in the election process. As usual the Trump worshipers go directly to the same playbook and engage in hyperbole over the investigation and its chief investigator rather than what the investigation provided evidence of. Just bury their heads in the sand and attack the messenger.

Meanwhile dear leader continues to ignore and deny the Russian meddling happened all because his giant ego dare not be bruised. He's so insecure in himself that he engaged in multiple efforts of obstruction to prevent more evidence of such meddling being presented to the electorate.

Perhaps even worse is that traitor Trump is ignoring the chief role of the President of the United States and not defending the nation from the attack of a foreign adversary.

Despite this we call Mueller a tool, a jack-ass, and a liar with a filthy little soul? Wow.....


PattyG - 5/29/2019 at 10:01 PM

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Further proof that to disagree with a Trump hater is well, unimaginable....


The proof is that I hate traitor's and especially liars, so if Traitor Trump fits both bills then who are you to complain? I generally find that people who religiously defend liars and traitors tend to be one themselves. We are not talking about a lie here and a lie there we are talking about intentionally lying over 10,000 times in a few years. We are talking about taking the side of murderous dictator's over his own intelligence officer's. We are talking about besmirching the character's of true patriots. Have you noticed that he is a little light on military leaders in his cabinet? He has soiled the reputation of every military person that he named to his staff and other offices. They are all gone!!!!

Trump would not sacrifice a toenail for this country. He has no skin in the game, in his family's short history he can't come up with one individual who has made one sacrifice for this country. The Trumps are grifter's and taker's.

You can continue to choke but you reveal that you don't care about sacrifice or honor or truth.


[Edited on 5/29/2019 by PattyG]


LeglizHemp - 5/29/2019 at 10:50 PM

ďIf we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that,Ē Mueller said at a press conference at Justice Department headquarters in which he also announced his resignation. ďA President cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. ... Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.Ē

ďEffectively what Bob Mueller said is we had evidence that [Trump] committed a crime, but we couldnít charge him because heís the president of the United States,Ē Napolitano said on the Fox Business Network following the news conference.

[Edited on 5/29/2019 by LeglizHemp]


2112 - 5/29/2019 at 10:52 PM

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The Trump administration is quick to discredit pretty much anyone, I guess I'm not surprised his supporters would quickly attack Mueller rather than parse his words. It's interesting, and sometimes disappointing, what people choose to believe without question.


Did you find Mueller's Team to be unbiased and above board, I did not. 18 hired guns with all barrels aimed at one target for one purpose. Nary a flesh wound? Loads of gun shot noise, but not one strike.

When did the interviews end? When did they know our president or any American was not involved in the Russian's multi headed scheme? Adam Schiff is on tape trying to get pictures of "naked Trump". Hello!! that's more collusion than Don Jr having a Trump Tower meeting that was made possible by political enemies. Didn't the Russian chick meet with SimpsonGPS folks pre and post meeting? Popadopalus had a story planted by a spy with an agenda and then attempted to be confirmed by a 2nd plant with an agenda. Honey traps? These are not statements from Trump. They're politically motivated and engineered events. If it was known to be a fraud after 6 months why was it dragged out til after the mid term elections? This is all Mueller and his Merry Men. Past crimes got Manafort and Cohen. To pay a prostitute hush money is not clean, but who made out? Isn't that paying twice to be screwed once? We all see what kind of cat Michael Avenetti was. Fits right in over there. I'm an Independent and am looking for a candidate with reason, common sense, and some math skills.

The whole anti-Trump thing is being viewed with blinders on. Loads on questionable Congressional Leadership being purposely overlooked. We need Rowdy Roddy Piper glasses to see the players and their actions here.

It's in vogue at the moment and some people like to be stylish no matter how stupid they look.



[Edited on 5/29/2019 by Fretsman]


Mueller is a Republican, appointed by a Republican. I think he set out and conducted a fair investigation. Given people like Barr and Deven Nunes using everything in their power to stop or bury the investigation, I think it was conducted in as unbiased manner as possible, certainly more than the Ken Starr investigation. It is painfully clear that Trump supporters don't want to know what happened and don't care how dirty Trump and his administration are. So much whining about this investigation, yet the GOP would start yet another Benghazi investigation if they thought they could do political damage.


2112 - 5/29/2019 at 10:59 PM

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We need voter ID's in this country.


Absolutely and now


If voter ID is so critical, than should we eliminate voting by mail? It seems there has been more fraud related to voting by mail than at the actual polls, just look at the North Carolina 9th District for an example, or do you not care about that one since it was Republicans trying to rig the election?


BrerRabbit - 5/30/2019 at 02:04 AM

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Link?



Fretsman - 5/30/2019 at 04:16 AM

I could take a Xanax and a vacation. It's all good. To compare Benghazi investigation to this farce of American collusion with Russia is nonsensical. 4 Americans were slaughtered. An Ambassador stripped, raped, burnt, and beaten to death. Pleas for security went unanswered. A special security meeting ensued and what did the Obama Administration do? They had a response team load up and get ready, then told them to stand down, then change into regular clothes, no wait, another good point at the meeting, perhaps they should wear Military clothes, OK do that, wait, we don't want to rile the crowd, change clothes again, wait stand down they're dead. An absolute disaster. Proud and brave men died. It wasn't a DNC email hack. Folks died violently while a political correctness meeting took place in the situation room. I guess the fast and furious investigation was also open and fair to the slain border patrol agent. Eric Holder covered up for his wingman while Nadler and the rest fought to keep everything sealed, No Transparency whatsoever.


I am not a Republican, I support Team America and my QB at the moment is Donald J. Trump. I am a proud independent who likes to see and judge for myself. I have issues with our government. I think it's crazy that the Congress that wants to be overzealously moral when it fits their narrative. Release all the Congressional hush money payout info. Who did what, why the need to pay off, and who did what to who?

The governmental leaks are outrageous. Presidential phone conversations with foreign leaders. FBI getting Knick tickets @MSG for front page story fodder and it's allowed? Bradley Manning and Michael Avenatti considered political office runs, Heh heh, Crazy times. American values my ass.

I'm getting older and value my time. I used to love late night TV, Johnny Carson, Letterman, Saturday Night Live. I can't stomach any of them anymore. Just unfunny political nonsense. Platform shoe-boy Deniro films.... Gone. Jim Carrey the cartoonist? what a bozo..... Gone. ESPN gave Bruce Jenner the most courageous female award.... Gone. I haven't watched or missed the programming in the least. Hollywood promotes vulgarity and violence. Women's sports are done, they've been invaded by insanity. Empty minds are molded by trashy extremes. Way too many quality time kills to indulge in for my golden years to be lost in liberal lunacy.


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[Edited on 5/30/2019 by Fretsman]


BrerRabbit - 5/30/2019 at 05:07 AM

Nothing a little John Prine can't fix
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BofvfVPFbiM

Blow up your TV throw away your paper
Go to the country, build you a home
Plant a little garden, eat a lot of peaches
Try an find Jesus on your own


BIGV - 5/30/2019 at 05:52 AM

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It seems there has been more fraud related to voting by mail than at the actual polls


Proof?


2112 - 5/30/2019 at 07:06 AM

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It seems there has been more fraud related to voting by mail than at the actual polls


Proof?


Just look at the North Carolina 9th District race and you will find all the proof you need. On the other hand, where is your proof of widespread voter fraud at the polls that voter ID can solve? I've never seen any. By the way, I'm not actually against voter ID at the polls, but I still think it is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

But as for voting by mail, they verify the ballot based on the signature, which is exactly what they do when you sign for a ballot at the polls. No difference. So why can you receive a ballot and return it in the mail without showing an Id?


2112 - 5/30/2019 at 07:24 AM

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I could take a Xanax and a vacation. It's all good. To compare Benghazi investigation to this farce of American collusion with Russia is nonsensical. 4 Americans were slaughtered. An Ambassador stripped, raped, burnt, and beaten to death. Pleas for security went unanswered. A special security meeting ensued and what did the Obama Administration do? They had a response team load up and get ready, then told them to stand down, then change into regular clothes, no wait, another good point at the meeting, perhaps they should wear Military clothes, OK do that, wait, we don't want to rile the crowd, change clothes again, wait stand down they're dead. An absolute disaster. Proud and brave men died. It wasn't a DNC email hack. Folks died violently while a political correctness meeting took place in the situation room. I guess the fast and furious investigation was also open and fair to the slain border patrol agent. Eric Holder covered up for his wingman while Nadler and the rest fought to keep everything sealed, No Transparency whatsoever.


I am not a Republican, I support Team America and my QB at the moment is Donald J. Trump. I am a proud independent who likes to see and judge for myself. I have issues with our government. I think it's crazy that the Congress that wants to be overzealously moral when it fits their narrative. Release all the Congressional hush money payout info. Who did what, why the need to pay off, and who did what to who?

The governmental leaks are outrageous. Presidential phone conversations with foreign leaders. FBI getting Knick tickets @MSG for front page story fodder and it's allowed? Bradley Manning and Michael Avenatti considered political office runs, Heh heh, Crazy times. American values my ass.

I'm getting older and value my time. I used to love late night TV, Johnny Carson, Letterman, Saturday Night Live. I can't stomach any of them anymore. Just unfunny political nonsense. Platform shoe-boy Deniro films.... Gone. Jim Carrey the cartoonist? what a bozo..... Gone. ESPN gave Bruce Jenner the most courageous female award.... Gone. I haven't watched or missed the programming in the least. Hollywood promotes vulgarity and violence. Women's sports are done, they've been invaded by insanity. Empty minds are molded by trashy extremes. Way too many quality time kills to indulge in for my golden years to be lost in liberal lunacy.
[Edited on 5/30/2019 by Fretsman]


Whether you are a Republican or not you still show a pro-Republican bias.If you could just read what you are saying with a critical eye you would laugh at yourself. You are talking about values while supporting a man who cheated on his wife with a porn star, who has admitted to grabbing women by the pussy on tape, who walked in a dressing room full of teabag girls, who mocked a disabled reporter, who lies on a daily basis, who used his charity as an illegal slush account going as far as paying his son's $6 registration fee for Boy Scouts with it. He is a vial piece of garbage and the ultimate embarrassment to this country, and the sooner that he is gone the better. I usually can get along with anybody, but I have a hard time respecting anybody who can defend Trump. The man has no redeeming values, none!


BIGV - 5/30/2019 at 01:49 PM

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It seems there has been more fraud related to voting by mail than at the actual polls


Proof?


Just look at the North Carolina 9th District race and you will find all the proof you need. On the other hand, where is your proof of widespread voter fraud at the polls that voter ID can solve? I've never seen any. By the way, I'm not actually against voter ID at the polls, but I still think it is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

But as for voting by mail, they verify the ballot based on the signature, which is exactly what they do when you sign for a ballot at the polls. No difference. So why can you receive a ballot and return it in the mail without showing an Id?


My "proof" comes from the time when I lived in California. I could walk into my polling place and point to my name and then sign and vote. One year, out of curiosity after voting in my designated poll, I was driving down the road in a bordering neighborhood and noticed an American Flag near a church that signaled another poll was located inside, I parked, went in an informed them that I had left my I.D. at home and asked if I could just sign by name. I was told "No problem, yes" and could easily have voted again merely by reading a name upside down and adding a signature that was not me beside it....


BrerRabbit - 5/30/2019 at 03:13 PM

I guess I am done hearing how the country is going down the toilet, when the air is better, food is better, balance between sexes and races better, not great but better, we aren't huffing lead, choking on cigarette smoke on airplanes, society more sensitive to folks with special needs, and on and on. Every era has its problems.

Also done hearing extreme right wing reactionaries hollering left wing bloody murder at everything slightly left of center or progressive. It is bullsh!t. Fact is, the vast majority, left included, are pretty darn square, and are normal folks just lving their lives.

And the leap from Mueller to Springbreakers was flat out surreal. For someone who says they don't pay attention to TV you sure are an expert on the details. Ive never seen those shows, and didnt watch that crap in the 70s or 80s either I was too busy living.


porkchopbob - 5/30/2019 at 03:14 PM

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My "proof" comes from the time when I lived in California. I could walk into my polling place and point to my name and then sign and vote. One year, out of curiosity after voting in my designated poll, I was driving down the road in a bordering neighborhood and noticed an American Flag near a church that signaled another poll was located inside, I parked, went in an informed them that I had left my I.D. at home and asked if I could just sign by name. I was told "No problem, yes" and could easily have voted again merely by reading a name upside down and adding a signature that was not me beside it....

So you then voted again using someone else's name and were able to match their signature? Or someone had already voted using your name? Or your army of Russian Boogeymen voters had?

No?

Well, that's means it might be possible, but not that it wouldn't be found out when the actual voter showed up or your signature didn't match. It's not proof. This is called "anecdotal", at best.

Here are some actual stats regarding voter fraud and how rare it actually is.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

[Edited on 5/30/2019 by porkchopbob]


KCJimmy - 5/30/2019 at 03:29 PM

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The proof is that I hate traitor's and especially liars
You must have REALLY hated Obama!


porkchopbob - 5/30/2019 at 03:33 PM

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I guess I am done hearing how the country is going down the toilet, when the air is better, food is better, balance between sexes and races better, not great but better, we aren't huffing lead, choking on cigarette smoke on airplanes, society more sensitive to folks with special needs, and on and on. Every era has its problems.

Also done hearing extreme right wing reactionaries hollering left wing bloody murder at everything slightly left of center or progressive. It is bullsh!t. Fact is, the vast majority, left included, are pretty darn square, and are normal folks just lving their lives.

And the leap from Mueller to Springbreakers was flat out surreal. For someone who says they don't pay attention to TV you sure are an expert on the details. Ive never seen those shows, and didnt watch that crap in the 70s or 80s either I was too busy living.

Exactly. Every generation has those cranks who look at their own youth through rose-tinted glasses and think the current youth is dragging the world into the apocalypse. Every single generation. Not there aren't select things that have not improved or gotten worse, but overall the world improves as we seek to identify and solve problems and understand each other since we are mostly pretty similar. Sure, the Dodgers moved, Carson is dead, but we fixed the hole in the ozone, Congress is more diverse and representative, and many people don't have to live their lives in the shadows for fear of arbitrary hate. Discussion is great, but the reactionary response here to Mueller's brief press statement seems to miss the point entirely.


BIGV - 5/30/2019 at 03:41 PM

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So you then voted again using someone else's name and were able to match their signature? Or someone had already voted using your name? No?


No, I did not vote twice or three times or four, but the point is, anyone can. There was no verification of signature at the time, just a printed name that you signed next to.

Voter I.D. should be mandatory. Are there citizens out there who lack the intelligence required to obtain I.D.?


porkchopbob - 5/30/2019 at 04:07 PM

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No, I did not vote twice or three times or four, but the point is, anyone can. There was no verification of signature at the time, just a printed name that you signed next to.

Signatures are often matched after the fact to keep lines moving or burden volunteers. Your false ballot very likely might have been rejected later, or scrutinized after the actual citizen came to vote. You're assuming nothing happens after the ballot is cast. Also, it's not "proof" because you have no evidence that this actually happened. It's just a thing you think.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/voting-rights/signature-match-laws-disproportiona tely-impact-voters-already-margins

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Voter I.D. should be mandatory. Are there citizens out there who lack the intelligence required to obtain I.D.?

I guess it's easier to preemptively dismiss rather than to reasonably discuss.


Fretsman - 5/30/2019 at 05:20 PM

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I guess I am done hearing how the country is going down the toilet, when the air is better, food is better, balance between sexes and races better, not great but better, we aren't huffing lead, choking on cigarette smoke on airplanes, society more sensitive to folks with special needs, and on and on. Every era has its problems.

Also done hearing extreme right wing reactionaries hollering left wing bloody murder at everything slightly left of center or progressive. It is bullsh!t. Fact is, the vast majority, left included, are pretty darn square, and are normal folks just lving their lives.

And the leap from Mueller to Springbreakers was flat out surreal. For someone who says they don't pay attention to TV you sure are an expert on the details. Ive never seen those shows, and didnt watch that crap in the 70s or 80s either I was too busy living.




Do you have kids? I have 2 and I am always on Daddy Duty. Well less now as they're grown. My daughter is 24 and my son 25. It's insane what our children are introduced to at young ages. I mentioned things that I was concerned with directly like that movie. My little girl was watching it and I turned it off. I wouldn't allow my son to play Grand Theft Auto or buy the game as a gift. He said how every one of his friends had the games he'll just play it over there. More and more of everyday programming contains vulgar or violent content. I don't think kids that are 10 years old should lose their innocence. Folks used to just live their lives naturally learn of love and empathy, success and failure, right and wrong, nowadays you're told/shown what emotions you should feel, You should be angered and outraged. You should feel owed. No more valedictorians, Everyone gets an A no matter how little you put forth. I'm a blue collar union donkey, Hee haw, I bust my ass and put in my hours to make it all happen for me and mine. Part of the flaws with being in a union is where I take pride in my work and make things happen, a slug who does half the work and does it rather poorly gets the same exact pay and when a bad job comes up with ugly circumstances who gets it. The slug will get rewarded with soft work that won't haunt anybody. My lost point was efforts should be rewarded, not everyone gets a trophy, those who strive to achieve actually do achieve. I overthink things and obviously I overshare and that gets me in trouble.

I'm always busy living, Always counting my blessings and not my curses. Life is good.


Skydog32103 - 5/30/2019 at 05:21 PM

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I guess I am done hearing how the country is going down the toilet, when the air is better, food is better, balance between sexes and races better, not great but better, we aren't huffing lead, choking on cigarette smoke on airplanes, society more sensitive to folks with special needs, and on and on. Every era has its problems.

Also done hearing extreme right wing reactionaries hollering left wing bloody murder at everything slightly left of center or progressive. It is bullsh!t. Fact is, the vast majority, left included, are pretty darn square, and are normal folks just lving their lives.

And the leap from Mueller to Springbreakers was flat out surreal. For someone who says they don't pay attention to TV you sure are an expert on the details. Ive never seen those shows, and didnt watch that crap in the 70s or 80s either I was too busy living.


fretsman's original rant is a perfect example of why it doesn't make sense to allow yourself to get worked up over politics and political figures. i imagine he was unhappy with Obama, and now he is still unhappy under Trump. liberals were unhappy under Obama because of Fox News and the right's attacks on him, and now Trump supporters are unhappy that democrats make it difficult for him.

unhappy when your guy is in power, and unhappy when he isn't. some folks are just unhappy and choose to play the scapegoat game. it is my hope that people evolve from this in my lifetime.


PattyG - 5/30/2019 at 05:26 PM

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quote:The proof is that I hate traitor's and especially liars You must have REALLY hated Obama!



You do not really believe that I would have made a statement like that without knowing the actual facts, do you?

As I stated in my post a lie here and there is understandable, however when you compare Obama's 18 lies in 8 years vs. over 10,000 in two and 1/2 years I would say one is not comparable to the other.

Did you see his lie filled rant from this morning before he left for Colorado? Of course you did, however did you fact check any of it? Of course you didn't. So you just continue to suck all his lies up buttercup sooner or later you will be choking on it too.

FYI, there was a lie filled post going around back in the day of 50 lies that were told by Obama that have all been fact checked and debunked by Snopes so if you come back with that one I have already researched that as well.

On Obama's maternal side he has more skin in the game than Trump, at least he can trace his family's service to our country. Did you know he is even distantly related to Dick Chaney and Liz Chaney? Of course not that would require some fact checking on your part. "The Trumps" generations upon generations of patriots, you should do some research on that as well, but of course you won't!


porkchopbob - 5/30/2019 at 06:01 PM

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fretsman's original rant is a perfect example of why it doesn't make sense to allow yourself to get worked up over politics and political figures. i imagine he was unhappy with Obama, and now he is still unhappy under Trump. liberals were unhappy under Obama because of Fox News and the right's attacks on him, and now Trump supporters are unhappy that democrats make it difficult for him.

unhappy when your guy is in power, and unhappy when he isn't. some folks are just unhappy and choose to play the scapegoat game. it is my hope that people evolve from this in my lifetime.

Well said. I would hear people groan about Obama and claim he was "the worst President" yadayada and they were easy to dismiss because they couldn't express beyond FOX News platitudes as to why they thought so strongly. The script is definitely flipped now, and people who roll their eyes at Trump can't use the same broad CNN strokes that Obama detractors blindly used. Which is difficult when the fog of information, opinion, and continuous discrediting in the face of opposing opinion is exactly what this Administration has itself repeatedly done.

If Trump is our QB, well, at least you could bench Ryan Leaf.


tbomike - 5/30/2019 at 06:05 PM

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From the moment he picked an all Democrat Attack Team to compile his "unbiased" investigation to his BS little news conference today. AG Barr is in Alaska visiting troops, Trump is retrurning from Japan, and Congress is out.


This Jack-ass is a stain on the Dept Of Justice. He needs to be subpoenaed to answer many questions about his handling of this mockery of justice. He needs to answer why he didn't chose a bipartisan group for this so called bipartisan investigation. When did he know that the whole basis was fraudulent. If he knew after a year that it was an empty argument why did he drag it out past the mid term elections? We got the gifts of Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar being sworn into an American Political office with hands on the Quran a book that promotes killing infidels (such as Americans), raping and enslaving the infidels women and children? Has anyone in the "unbiased" media ever questioned them on Sharia Law and their stances on such violent beliefs? Another rhetorical question.

The collusion was with him and his Democratic cronies to drag it out and paint a negative picture out of an empty art set.

If he was once an honorable American, he lost that honor with this fiasco. I'm sure all of his chosen hacks were in touch with the Democrat's all along and this was a guided undertaking to lead the sheep. Push the safe space trophies for all crowd to put on vag' hats and march the streets. Decriminalize crimes and bring the whole world to America to have free everything while our once great and proud nation turns into a cesspool. Feces and needles will replace the stars and stripes. In a country that now seems to value victimhood over accomplishments we're creating more victims and less drive to succeed. Our national birth rates decline as folks choose a life of foreplay over conventional family.

The same sheep that profess to protect the planet dump trash in the streets and parks as they pour used motor oil down the toilet, they profess peace and tranquility yet cover their faces and attack innocent fellow Americans as they brag that they punched a Nazi? Gender is an empty word. Reality is ignored when it comes to Men and Women, pick a bathroom no problem, Little Suzie is in there, but if it traumatizes her so what? There are so many issues that were once no brainers, but are now issues because of the no brainers. Pollution, crime, and immorality are the new ideals.

Violence and perversion is fed to our youth through movies, games, and media. I watched the movie Kingsmen and it is an action movie tailored for most ages and at the end some Princess of another country says she's give up her "bum" if the guy saves the world? So anal sex is a mainstream promotion? The movie Springbreakers has teenage girls involved in massive drug use, crime, and lesbianism. My kids are 25 and 26 and it was bad when they were preteens and teenagers. Grand Theft Auto Vice City lets kids beat up, shoot up, kill, and run over cops and prostitutes? Is it a wonder there is so much sexual dysfunction or rampant shootings? Moral decay doesn't start or end with the President, it starts in boardrooms and corporate meetings. Family values and faith are frowned upon. Somebody somewhere is building an ark.

Trump is not the perfect man, that in itself is an understatement, but he is the elected President Of The United States during turbulent times. He is fighting for the country in matters that are important. North Korea, Iran, Russia, & China are problems that he is attempting to address. He isn't hosting concerts at the White House once a month, he's engaging in the country's needs not his own.

We need term limits ASAP. It most likely will never happen, but to have a brain dead core of morons leading the country is disheartening. If there's no term limits forthcoming there should be an age limit. Nadler was out of it the other day, He looked like a decrepit Captain Pike from Star Trek, maybe we should prop his dopey little ass in chair and give him lights to answer yes and no. When Diblasio has to save the day when you're in la la land and then stating it was a dehydration issue is the cover up. Put that fool out to pasture. You want to become a millionaire in America? Go to a coastal liberal state and run for Democratic office. Nancy, Chuck, Schiff, Cumnmings, Green, and the rest should be out of Government, for the sake of the Country.

Mueller is just a tool. He was never looking to be fair and just. His choices and deeds make that abundantly clear. May Karma chew up and spit out his filthy little soul. Just a cog in the wheel that is ruining a once level headed, proud, and just nation.

We need voter ID's in this country. Everyone has sources of income, electric bills, phones, cars, licenses, and so many other identifiers of exactly who we are as Americans. If you want to end the corruption of our voting process that's the only way. Far too many shenanigans are going on. Ballots are being filled in by God knows who, That's what is unamerican and the true threat to true democracy.




Egad you are ignorant.


KCJimmy - 5/30/2019 at 07:20 PM

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however when you compare Obama's 18 lies in 8 years vs. over 10,000 in two and 1/2 years I would say one is not comparable to the other.
If Obama only told 18 lies he must have told them a zillion times (yes I fact checked). I appreciate your enthusiasm sweetheart but the notion that our country was better off between 2009 - 2016 is well, ridiculous. Any measure you chose and we are doing better since he left office. We should at least be grateful that he did that for sure. Leave office I mean. Fact check the economy, unemployment, GDP, and on an on and on.

You get to keep the same policy, you get to keep the same doctor, no way the Russians could meddle in our elections and what about all the things he didn't know about until he saw them on the news like Hillary's illegal email scam.


2112 - 5/30/2019 at 07:34 PM

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It seems there has been more fraud related to voting by mail than at the actual polls


Proof?


Just look at the North Carolina 9th District race and you will find all the proof you need. On the other hand, where is your proof of widespread voter fraud at the polls that voter ID can solve? I've never seen any. By the way, I'm not actually against voter ID at the polls, but I still think it is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

But as for voting by mail, they verify the ballot based on the signature, which is exactly what they do when you sign for a ballot at the polls. No difference. So why can you receive a ballot and return it in the mail without showing an Id?


My "proof" comes from the time when I lived in California. I could walk into my polling place and point to my name and then sign and vote. One year, out of curiosity after voting in my designated poll, I was driving down the road in a bordering neighborhood and noticed an American Flag near a church that signaled another poll was located inside, I parked, went in an informed them that I had left my I.D. at home and asked if I could just sign by name. I was told "No problem, yes" and could easily have voted again merely by reading a name upside down and adding a signature that was not me beside it....


Signatures are checked at the elections office. Obtaining a ballot doesn't mean it was counted any more than fraudulently obtained ballot by mail and sending it in. Again, ballots by mail can be stolen from mailboxes, requested for absentee voting by someone else, filled out by someone else in the household without their knowledge, etc. How is voter ID going to fix this?


Fretsman - 5/30/2019 at 07:35 PM

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Do you have kids?


Yes, single parent Mr. Mom of a stone autistic nonverbal low functioning teenager. I am grateful not to be back in the "good old days" of institutionalization and isolation for people like him, shock treatment all that good stuff.

So I guess you didn't rock out to Midnight Rambler, Sympathy, Brown Sugar, and Bitch until you were over 18. Goody for you mr. twoshoes. Me I was belting out "I'll stick my knife right down your throat, baby and it hurts!" at 12 in jr high rock band. And just like you feel about Grand Theft Auto, my parents hated everything I liked.




God Bless You and your son Sir. My daughter just graduated from Caldwell College and works with kids that have autism. She has a degree in Arts Therapy and is going for her BCBA and Masters on line (Daddy's broke now). She has loads of love in her heart and is patient as a Saint. I was born in '63 in Newark, a poor white child in the ghetto. My family moved around more than gypsies and life hasn't always been kind. I lived full and I've seen more trouble than most. I've paid my dues and survived bad choices. My drunken broken home parents didn't much care about what I saw or didn;te see. My high school years were late 70's and there was no drug I didn't take dancing to the Stones. A gypsy ghetto kid never settles softly and my travels were an education most folks don't get so the Goody two shoes tag will fit better elsewhere.

and Egad how ignorant, C'mon Mike where's the love?





[Edited on 5/30/2019 by Fretsman]


BIGV - 5/30/2019 at 07:44 PM

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Signatures are checked at the elections office. Obtaining a ballot doesn't mean it was counted any more than fraudulently obtained ballot by mail and sending it in. Again, ballots by mail can be stolen from mailboxes, requested for absentee voting by someone else, filled out by someone else in the household without their knowledge, etc. How is voter ID going to fix this?


Your post reads like you are against Voter I.D. Why?


Skydog32103 - 5/30/2019 at 07:47 PM

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My drunken broken home parents didn't much care about what I saw or didn;te see.


i'm very sorry to read this. i'm not trying to preach but i'd bet this has a lot to do with the conflict you describe with your own children and probably is the root of the frustrations of your original post. i beg of you to stop blaming society and politics and figure out why you feel the way you do about the world and yourself - it's the only way to find peace. i would know from personal experience.


KCJimmy - 5/30/2019 at 07:58 PM

Your concern is nice but the frustrations in his original post seem pretty focused on Bob Mueller & the wacky left and he is spot on accurate. The truth is going to come out and there are a lot of people that are not going to be able to resolve their opinions & statements with the facts.

[Edited on 5/30/2019 by KCJimmy]


Skydog32103 - 5/30/2019 at 08:06 PM

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If Obama only told 18 lies he must have told them a zillion times (yes I fact checked). I appreciate your enthusiasm sweetheart but the notion that our country was better off between 2009 - 2016 is well, ridiculous. Any measure you chose and we are doing better since he left office. We should at least be grateful that he did that for sure. Leave office I mean. Fact check the economy, unemployment, GDP, and on an on and on.

You get to keep the same policy, you get to keep the same doctor, no way the Russians could meddle in our elections and what about all the things he didn't know about until he saw them on the news like Hillary's illegal email scam.


whether it's trump or obama, fixating on either one as the person to hate is just a symptom of the scapegoat syndrome. none of here know any of that for sure. no sense in forming a judgment and opinion about it if there's no way to truly know. know what i'm saying?


Skydog32103 - 5/30/2019 at 08:11 PM

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Your concern is nice but the frustrations in his original post seem pretty focused on Bob Mueller & the wacky left and he is spot on accurate. The truth is going to come out and there are a lot of people that are not going to be able to resolve their opinions & statements with the facts.


thank you. my concerns are real because i was there once too. if you go back and read the post it goes way beyond bob mueller and goes into many different directions. have whatever opinion you want about the left but i stand by my position that to blame society and politics is nothing but an excuse for one's own personal unhappiness. as for "the truth" coming out, i'm curious as to why you believe to know this if we're all just outsiders reading the same online articles?


KCJimmy - 5/30/2019 at 08:12 PM

Yes, they ALL LIE. The media is the worst. If Trump came out and 3 simple statements CNN (and others) would report that he told 5 lies.


KCJimmy - 5/30/2019 at 08:15 PM

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thank you. my concerns are real because i was there once too. if you go back and read the post it goes way beyond bob mueller and goes into many different directions. have whatever opinion you want about the left but i stand by my position that to blame society and politics is nothing but an excuse for one's own personal unhappiness. as for "the truth" coming out, i'm curious as to why you believe to know this if we're all just outsiders reading the same online articles?
You can be bothered by society without blaming it for your problems. I read the post and did not get the impression he was blaming anyone for his problems. Venting about things that are important to him, you bet, and more power to him. It is OK to disagree.

As for the truth coming out. I see the same news as everyone else. But a lot of people seem as if they are threatened by the latest news of "investigating the investigators". If the truth is what we all want then what is the problem?
[Edited on 5/30/2019 by KCJimmy]

[Edited on 5/30/2019 by KCJimmy]


Jerry - 5/30/2019 at 09:02 PM

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I was referencing this quote directly:
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It's interesting, and sometimes disappointing, what people choose to believe without question.


Obviously people on both sides of the political spectrum have their own bias. I'm most speaking to the views voiced at the start of this thread. I think the amount of misinformation coming from this President is negligent.

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So, Russians could vote freely without I.D.?

Speaking of. Did this happen? Because actual US citizens who are registered voters have been turned away in states with strict voting ID laws. That's an actual problem. Should we stop unlikely hypothetical Tom Clancy situations (do you think Russians would waster their energy going to polls when they can disrupt by hacking?) or actual real life voting issues? Also, it's not like you didn't have to prove who you were when you went to the polls (you could use an electric bill!), you just didn't need to take the extra extra step of getting another ID every time you moved to a new precinct.



Sorry PorkChopBob, but there ARE certain reasons why someone can be turned away at the polls. Wrong voting location, have not voted in a long time (In Ga. it takes 7 years to remove a non-voter.), moved and haven't registered at your new address, registered-but address can not be verified (a provisional ballot is issued and the voter has several days to correct any mistakes on the registration, if the correction is not made, the vote is turned down.) Felon on parole, non-citizen (legal alien who has not completed citizenship).

To everybody, don't try to bring up the "Kemp purged 307,000 voters" because unlike the majority of news outlets that reported that, the Atlanta Journal Constitution had in their article about how the ones on the PENDING LIST, Kemp declared all on the list were pending, not purged, would be allowed to cast provisional ballots (see above about provisional ballots).


porkchopbob - 5/30/2019 at 09:17 PM

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Sorry PorkChopBob, but there ARE certain reasons why someone can be turned away at the polls. Wrong voting location, have not voted in a long time (In Ga. it takes 7 years to remove a non-voter.), moved and haven't registered at your new address, registered-but address can not be verified (a provisional ballot is issued and the voter has several days to correct any mistakes on the registration, if the correction is not made, the vote is turned down.) Felon on parole, non-citizen (legal alien who has not completed citizenship).

Haha, seriously, Jerry? Sorry but I never said that there aren't reasons people are turned away at the polls. You're talking about people who can't vote or are at the wrong place which is not what I was referring to and not at all the issue. I'm talking about registered voters turned away on small bureaucratic technicalities or overzealous ID laws. You're at the wrong proverbial polling station on this one, read it twice.


Fretsman - 5/30/2019 at 09:53 PM

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Ö. LOL, my mom finally confessed that when she was a teenager she sneaked out at night to hang out at the jazz club scene on Telegraph Avenue in Berkeley, Brubeck, Davis, Coltrane, and that scene made the 70s rock scene look tame. Beatniks, drunks, junkies they were nuts. And here I caught hell from her for stuff I was up to which was nothing compared to the beatniks.


The beatniks Heh heh, You knew something was happening there with the off key poetry and bongos? As far as the personal unhappiness I have none, It''d be nice if I was prettier and I could sing, but the Lord has smiled down on my dumb-ass in many a way. No matter my plight "Worse things have happened to better people". I judge the times and these are strange times, Historical really, but just not in a good way. Sadly it's like the Keystone Kops meet the Chicago Black Sox and Barney Fife and Otis are Congressmen..



2112 - 5/30/2019 at 10:13 PM

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Signatures are checked at the elections office. Obtaining a ballot doesn't mean it was counted any more than fraudulently obtained ballot by mail and sending it in. Again, ballots by mail can be stolen from mailboxes, requested for absentee voting by someone else, filled out by someone else in the household without their knowledge, etc. How is voter ID going to fix this?


Your post reads like you are against Voter I.D. Why?


I'm not really for or against it. In theory you could say I'm for it. It seems reasonable to ask for an ID to vote. But in reality, it seems to try to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Voter fraud seems to more likely happen with mail in ballots than those showing up at the polls. If we want to solve the problem of voter fraud, I think it is more important to solve issues of fraud that actually happened in the real world, such as what happened in North Carolina. What happened there was clearly fraud that affected an election, and it had nothing to do with voter ID.


BrerRabbit - 5/30/2019 at 10:55 PM

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The beatniks Heh heh, You knew something was happening there with the off key poetry and bongos?


Yeah I'm hip daddy-o, those cats were real gone, slated for crashville




PattyG - 5/30/2019 at 11:13 PM

Look alright KC calling me sweetheart doesn't offend me but doing it to belittle me does. The ACA is an example I would concede to as that was repeated by him on multiple occasions however it still would be the equivalent of 2 days of Trump lies. I have worked in the insurance industry for over 30 years so what I can say is that the majority of policies have never let you pick you own doctor, you pick the doctor that has signed a contract with them. You may decide you like Dr whoever and if they do not have a contract with Aetna, Cigna or whoever your provider actually is then you can't pick them. Who is your health care provider? Most people who want to have this conversation never want to disclose who their provider was that discontinued coverage.

Again during the Bush administration my employer stopped contributing to our plan and my premium was 850.00 a month for two people back during the Bush financial crash. There were literally no jobs available to move to, to get a better deal. Within a year of Obama taking office the job market started to open up and I moved to another company with better benefits and have been with them ever since. My situation has not changed, every year my insurance goes up 10 to 20 bucks a pay. I get a raise and a bonus every year because I work my ass off. I get three percent additional salary that goes right into my 401K. So nothing really has changed other than the tax break I got was gobbled up on the back end. So I am paying a lot more in taxes under Trump which does seem to be the case for a lot of average families.

So if you look at this from a personal stand point I was working 4 jobs during the Bush administration 7 years to be exact. And within two years of the Obama administration I was back to one job. I get that this is different for everyone, however for most people who have jobs that provide health care coverage within the last 20 years or so you can pick from a list of Doctor's that are on their list which is quite different then being able to pick your own Dr.

I actually know very few people other than the top executives that actually have what is know as Cadillac coverage.

[Edited on 5/30/2019 by PattyG]


Jerry - 5/31/2019 at 01:38 AM

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Sorry PorkChopBob, but there ARE certain reasons why someone can be turned away at the polls. Wrong voting location, have not voted in a long time (In Ga. it takes 7 years to remove a non-voter.), moved and haven't registered at your new address, registered-but address can not be verified (a provisional ballot is issued and the voter has several days to correct any mistakes on the registration, if the correction is not made, the vote is turned down.) Felon on parole, non-citizen (legal alien who has not completed citizenship).

Haha, seriously, Jerry? Sorry but I never said that there aren't reasons people are turned away at the polls. You're talking about people who can't vote or are at the wrong place which is not what I was referring to and not at all the issue. I'm talking about registered voters turned away on small bureaucratic technicalities or overzealous ID laws. You're at the wrong proverbial polling station on this one, read it twice.



What do you consider "overzealous ID laws"? If you are registered, show your ID, you get to vote.
You wouldn't have to get a new ID if you move to a different precinct since it would be a state ID (DL or state issued ID card), unlike when you get a new voter card if you move. A national voter ID is NOT NEEDED as far as I'm concerned.
How hard is it to get a state ID or drivers' license? You get them both through the DMV (at least here in GA.).
Military ID is good. Several other types of ID are good.
If you don't have the appropriate ID, ask to cast a provisional ballot, or request an absentee ballot.
A "small bureaucratic technicality", again if it's a problem of data on the voter registration, ask for a provisional ballot.
Don't let your right to vote get waylaid by not following the rules.

Myself, I think the ultimate voter ID would be a thumbprint placed on a consecutive numbered paper ballot and get rid of the electronic voting machines.


porkchopbob - 5/31/2019 at 01:07 PM

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What do you consider "overzealous ID laws"? If you are registered, show your ID, you get to vote.
You wouldn't have to get a new ID if you move to a different precinct since it would be a state ID (DL or state issued ID card), unlike when you get a new voter card if you move. A national voter ID is NOT NEEDED as far as I'm concerned.
How hard is it to get a state ID or drivers' license? You get them both through the DMV (at least here in GA.).
Military ID is good. Several other types of ID are good.
If you don't have the appropriate ID, ask to cast a provisional ballot, or request an absentee ballot.
A "small bureaucratic technicality", again if it's a problem of data on the voter registration, ask for a provisional ballot.
Don't let your right to vote get waylaid by not following the rules.

Myself, I think the ultimate voter ID would be a thumbprint placed on a consecutive numbered paper ballot and get rid of the electronic voting machines.


I posted several links (and a first hand account) previously in this thread regarding red tape in some states that makes it difficult for some voters to meet the newly required standards. I won't repeat, but they are stories of Seniors who no longer drive, or people who recently moved to a new state, required to get a birth certificate from their birth state, etc - it's unnecessary overkill.

Voting in some small precincts can be a mess, I would love a national standard - the spectre of "hanging chads" still haunts the process. Signatures are a poor standard, election officials aren't hand-writing experts (and they are definitely not thumbprint analysts). When I first voted decades ago I brought a utility bill - easy. When you register, you already get a voting registration card by mail. That should be enough because not everyone drives (and DMVs can be a day-long trip), it's not a standard and residency can be established faster than obtaining a new ID. We should be finding ways to make voting easier not adding another burden of proof in an effort to curb a crime that almost never happens and is already easily prevented.

[Edited on 5/31/2019 by porkchopbob]


pops42 - 5/31/2019 at 05:20 PM

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From the moment he picked an all Democrat Attack Team to compile his "unbiased" investigation to his BS little news conference today. AG Barr is in Alaska visiting troops, Trump is retrurning from Japan, and Congress is out.


This Jack-ass is a stain on the Dept Of Justice. He needs to be subpoenaed to answer many questions about his handling of this mockery of justice. He needs to answer why he didn't chose a bipartisan group for this so called bipartisan investigation. When did he know that the whole basis was fraudulent. If he knew after a year that it was an empty argument why did he drag it out past the mid term elections? We got the gifts of Rashida Talib and Ilhan Omar being sworn into an American Political office with hands on the Quran a book that promotes killing infidels (such as Americans), raping and enslaving the infidels women and children? Has anyone in the "unbiased" media ever questioned them on Sharia Law and their stances on such violent beliefs? Another rhetorical question.

The collusion was with him and his Democratic cronies to drag it out and paint a negative picture out of an empty art set.

If he was once an honorable American, he lost that honor with this fiasco. I'm sure all of his chosen hacks were in touch with the Democrat's all along and this was a guided undertaking to lead the sheep. Push the safe space trophies for all crowd to put on vag' hats and march the streets. Decriminalize crimes and bring the whole world to America to have free everything while our once great and proud nation turns into a cesspool. Feces and needles will replace the stars and stripes. In a country that now seems to value victimhood over accomplishments we're creating more victims and less drive to succeed. Our national birth rates decline as folks choose a life of foreplay over conventional family.

The same sheep that profess to protect the planet dump trash in the streets and parks as they pour used motor oil down the toilet, they profess peace and tranquility yet cover their faces and attack innocent fellow Americans as they brag that they punched a Nazi? Gender is an empty word. Reality is ignored when it comes to Men and Women, pick a bathroom no problem, Little Suzie is in there, but if it traumatizes her so what? There are so many issues that were once no brainers, but are now issues because of the no brainers. Pollution, crime, and immorality are the new ideals.

Violence and perversion is fed to our youth through movies, games, and media. I watched the movie Kingsmen and it is an action movie tailored for most ages and at the end some Princess of another country says she's give up her "bum" if the guy saves the world? So anal sex is a mainstream promotion? The movie Springbreakers has teenage girls involved in massive drug use, crime, and lesbianism. My kids are 25 and 26 and it was bad when they were preteens and teenagers. Grand Theft Auto Vice City lets kids beat up, shoot up, kill, and run over cops and prostitutes? Is it a wonder there is so much sexual dysfunction or rampant shootings? Moral decay doesn't start or end with the President, it starts in boardrooms and corporate meetings. Family values and faith are frowned upon. Somebody somewhere is building an ark.

Trump is not the perfect man, that in itself is an understatement, but he is the elected President Of The United States during turbulent times. He is fighting for the country in matters that are important. North Korea, Iran, Russia, & China are problems that he is attempting to address. He isn't hosting concerts at the White House once a month, he's engaging in the country's needs not his own.

We need term limits ASAP. It most likely will never happen, but to have a brain dead core of morons leading the country is disheartening. If there's no term limits forthcoming there should be an age limit. Nadler was out of it the other day, He looked like a decrepit Captain Pike from Star Trek, maybe we should prop his dopey little ass in chair and give him lights to answer yes and no. When Diblasio has to save the day when you're in la la land and then stating it was a dehydration issue is the cover up. Put that fool out to pasture. You want to become a millionaire in America? Go to a coastal liberal state and run for Democratic office. Nancy, Chuck, Schiff, Cumnmings, Green, and the rest should be out of Government, for the sake of the Country.

Mueller is just a tool. He was never looking to be fair and just. His choices and deeds make that abundantly clear. May Karma chew up and spit out his filthy little soul. Just a cog in the wheel that is ruining a once level headed, proud, and just nation.

We need voter ID's in this country. Everyone has sources of income, electric bills, phones, cars, licenses, and so many other identifiers of exactly who we are as Americans. If you want to end the corruption of our voting process that's the only way. Far too many shenanigans are going on. Ballots are being filled in by God knows who, That's what is unamerican and the true threat to true democracy.


Spend less time on AM conservative talk radio, Fox News, and Alex jones, angry, misinformed, old white guy.


StratDal - 5/31/2019 at 06:49 PM

If anything, Robert Mueller has proven to be the most sane, centered, and responsible public servant involved in government since the 2016 election. Thank you Mr. Mueller for a job well done.


Fretsman - 5/31/2019 at 07:03 PM

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Spend less time on AM conservative talk radio, Fox News, and Alex jones, angry, misinformed, old white guy.


What a dipsh#t thing to say?

I'm a happy, vibrant, young at heart, big goofball who is the 1st to laugh at himself and damn sure will laugh at others if buffoonery is on full display and it is. I listen to tunes unless I'm scanning for traffic tie-ups getting into the city (1010 on the 1's, 1130 on the 3's, and 880 on the 8's) I even limit that.

Fox News is fair (52% anti Trump), but I can't watch it on most days. In their effort to be fair and balanced they force feed you dopes like Juan Williams, Jessica Tarlov, Marie Barf, and others. All parroted commentary. They have a massive messaging system because it's just too prevalent with their little catch phrases across all channels.

I love Greg Gutfeld. I used to love Red Eye with Tom Shillue. News and comedy is the preferred means. Hannity can pound misleading points like the Dem's want to enact 70% taxes on everybody when it's just for monies made after $10 million. I like One America News and BBC, Newsmax can be cool with the old reel footage. One America talks about old historic events and constitutional policies. It's pretty sweet. I love my Man Charles Payne on Fox Business News.

If you have 1/2 a brain and desire to weed through the talking points on both sides you can see what is really going on and it's appalling. It's sad some folks are falling prey to some establishment rhetoric and gamesmanship. If the current administration has had any good actions in the last 2 1/2 years there's stories released to counter the positive narrative. The Dem's whole plot is effective and unending. Colleges give out A's and multiple days off to anyone willing to attend any rally that they want to push. At 16 years old don't lock yourself into a gender, but we want to lower the voting age to 16 so you can vote Democrat.

Again I'm an Independent. I seek logic in all issues. Our Country has massive debt, We need to curb our spending. We have homeless issues in this Country, but our laws entice massive migration with promises of free healthcare, free college, free legal services, free everything. It's magnetic clamoring. I'm just Joe Schmo who had to borrow 200K to help my kids. I am not rich, I get by, but my FAFSA info stated that my kids could borrow 20% of the college costs and the other 80% was called the "Expected Family Contribution" and they'd loan that "EFC" to me at double the present loan interest rates? How American is that? If colleges become "free" and Gov' subsidized the costs would be even more rampant. The current plan is everyone who gets here can just be claimed as dependents no matter if you want to support them or not.

A poem added to the Statue Of Liberty says "Give us your poor and huddled masses", Did the poem writer ever check with my accountant or the Treasury Dept? Did they mention a sane cap on the number of huddled masses. I've been paying into Social Security for 40 years and was told I'd get some back for when I needed it most when I got older.

Abortions should be legal with a thoughtful time frame. 5 months? If she can't afford to mother a child and it's a fly by night dead beat dad issue. The Government shouldn't choose that woman's life path.

I feel every issue can be viewed with reason, logic, empathy, and some mild math skills and decided properly with ease. Our system of Government is failing us all. Our free press is cashing in on an asinine narrative. Big rational decisions need to be contributed to and supported for the Country's sake.

If you choose to rub out a squid watching Chris Tapper, Don Lemon, & Rachel Maddow it is you my Friend is the old misinformed color irrelevant guy.








Fretsman - 5/31/2019 at 07:06 PM

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If anything, Robert Mueller has proven to be the most sane, centered, and responsible public servant involved in government since the 2016 election. Thank you Mr. Mueller for a job well done.


Heh heh


Jerry - 5/31/2019 at 10:01 PM

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What do you consider "overzealous ID laws"? If you are registered, show your ID, you get to vote.
You wouldn't have to get a new ID if you move to a different precinct since it would be a state ID (DL or state issued ID card), unlike when you get a new voter card if you move. A national voter ID is NOT NEEDED as far as I'm concerned.
How hard is it to get a state ID or drivers' license? You get them both through the DMV (at least here in GA.).
Military ID is good. Several other types of ID are good.
If you don't have the appropriate ID, ask to cast a provisional ballot, or request an absentee ballot.
A "small bureaucratic technicality", again if it's a problem of data on the voter registration, ask for a provisional ballot.
Don't let your right to vote get waylaid by not following the rules.

Myself, I think the ultimate voter ID would be a thumbprint placed on a consecutive numbered paper ballot and get rid of the electronic voting machines.


I posted several links (and a first hand account) previously in this thread regarding red tape in some states that makes it difficult for some voters to meet the newly required standards. I won't repeat, but they are stories of Seniors who no longer drive, or people who recently moved to a new state, required to get a birth certificate from their birth state, etc - it's unnecessary overkill.

Voting in some small precincts can be a mess, I would love a national standard - the spectre of "hanging chads" still haunts the process. Signatures are a poor standard, election officials aren't hand-writing experts (and they are definitely not thumbprint analysts). When I first voted decades ago I brought a utility bill - easy. When you register, you already get a voting registration card by mail. That should be enough because not everyone drives (and DMVs can be a day-long trip), it's not a standard and residency can be established faster than obtaining a new ID. We should be finding ways to make voting easier not adding another burden of proof in an effort to curb a crime that almost never happens and is already easily prevented.

[Edited on 5/31/2019 by porkchopbob]


I read 2 of those links, NY Times wants me to create an account that I don't want.
Those articles go into expired DL, out of state DL, expired student ID, no ID, improper ID. One question is how did the navy guy remember to register to vote, but couldn't find time to get his DL when he moved to another state. Did he get a new tag when he moved to the new state? Hope he doesn't get pulled over since you have to get new tag and license when you move to a new state.
I don't know about where the lady that gave up her license lived, but in Ga. you can get your license renewed, or change over to a state ID through the mail.
Again, if you are told you cannot vote due to ID problems, ask to cast a provisional ballot. Did the poll workers offer them that option?


Chain - 6/1/2019 at 12:15 AM

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If anything, Robert Mueller has proven to be the most sane, centered, and responsible public servant involved in government since the 2016 election. Thank you Mr. Mueller for a job well done.


I'll second your observation.....and thank you Mr. Mueller. Your efforts may yet save the Republic from the treacherous con-man presently occupying the White House.


BrerRabbit - 6/1/2019 at 03:00 AM

Why didnt Trump just support the Russia probe, the team definitely found Russian espionage. That could be the tip of the iceberg on Russian cyber warfare. He could have just said look this has zero to do with me or my staff, but Muellers doing a great job, findings show the Russians are doing some bad things so lets go after them on this.

That approach would have defused the collusion hoohah and put the spotlight on the Russians.



[Edited on 6/1/2019 by BrerRabbit]


Jerry - 6/1/2019 at 03:22 AM

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but Muellers doing a great job, findings show the Russians are doing some bad things so lets go after them on this.

That approach would have defused the collusion hoohah and put the spotlight on the Russians.
[Edited on 6/1/2019 by BrerRabbit]


like these guys?
https://www.zdnet.com/pictures/the-fbis-most-wanted-cyber-criminals/2/


BrerRabbit - 6/1/2019 at 03:33 AM

Yep, like those guys - keep the focus on the Russians instead of letting them pull our strings. They are probably pretty happy that the US is reeling from their psy-ops.


Chain - 6/1/2019 at 12:50 PM

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Why didnt Trump just support the Russia probe, the team definitely found Russian espionage. That could be the tip of the iceberg on Russian cyber warfare. He could have just said look this has zero to do with me or my staff, but Muellers doing a great job, findings show the Russians are doing some bad things so lets go after them on this.

That approach would have defused the collusion hoohah and put the spotlight on the Russians.

Bingo....Pretty obvious approach....Unless you're guilty of crimes that may be revealed due to such an investigation. As we know now, thanks mostly to Mueller, there's crimes galore committed by not only Trump, but many of the shysters who worked for and with him going back years and more recently.

I'd say for the $40 million it cost, the investigation was a bargain given the number of people convicted and that in the end Paul Mannafort paid the tab anyway...And then there's the additional evidence of the Russian involvement in the election itself. How do you even put a price tag on that?




BrerRabbit - 6/1/2019 at 07:57 PM

Either way, whether or not he is hiding anything, it would look a lot better if he showed some interest in the evidence of Russian cyberattacks, and took a leadership role in retaliation. All this defensive lashing out behavior just makes him look awful.


Chain - 6/2/2019 at 01:40 PM

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Either way, whether or not he is hiding anything, it would look a lot better if he showed some interest in the evidence of Russian cyberattacks, and took a leadership role in retaliation. All this defensive lashing out behavior just makes him look awful.


Agreed....Although his supporters don't seem to understand your point. As I indicated earlier in this thread, his oh so sensitive ego won't allow the rest of his mind to actually carry out what most view as the most important role of the presidency. That of defending the nation...cyber war included.

For all his bluster about his love and appreciation of the military, whenever that supposed love clashes head long with his own interests/ego, he abdicates to what's best for Donald Trump. What kind of leadership is that?


MarkRamsey - 6/2/2019 at 05:33 PM

I always get a kick when a Trumpkin says they like him because "he says what he mean and means what he says" and "tells it like it is". When he then says something bat **** stupid they pivot to "watch what he does not what he says". In 2007 he was asked about the job that Speaker Pelosi was doing. He said she was doing a "fantastic" job but his only regret was that she had not tried to impeach Bush. In 2008 he said it would not matter if it was an Obama/Hillary ticket or a Hillary/Obama because either way it would be one of the strongest tickets ever. In late 2008 when Hillary was being considered as Sec. of State he said he thought she would make a fantastic Sec. of State because she's a tough negotiator although he admitted to being biased because she was a "close personal friend". In 2009 as Obama was working his 800 billion stimulus blowout through Congress he said O was showing "strong leadership". After the 2012 election he said Romney was "to mean" to the Mexicans. Remember he knows what he thinks and says what he means and means what he says and tells it like it is. I think Trump and Obama are way more alike than either of their fanboys and fangirls could ever admit to themselves. The vacuous egotistical nonsense of "We are the ones we have been waiting for"(Obama '08) could only be matched by "I alone can fix it" (Trump '16). Look at how Obama pulled all Troops out of Iraq in 2011 in spite of the fact that the Sec. of State, the SecDef, the NSA, the head of CIA, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs all opposed it. After a nice phone call with Erdogan Trump decides to pull all troops out of Syria leading the first resignation of a SecDef over policy differences in U.S. history. In both cases the two incompetent egomaniacs in chief are sure that they are right even though they never served and wouldn't know the business end of a rifle from their ass. Obama had his 800 billion "shovel ready" boondoggle and now Trump has a chat with Chuck and Nancy and says he wants to go for1-1.5 trillion. And now Republicans who screamed bloody murder about debt and deficits under Obama ? Crickets. And Democrats who mocked Romney for saying Russia was our number one geopolitical foe see more Russians under their beds than Joe McCarthy ever dreamed of in his worst drunken fantasies.


BrerRabbit - 6/2/2019 at 06:19 PM

shh cant you see we're praying here?


Skydog32103 - 6/3/2019 at 03:10 PM

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But a lot of people seem as if they are threatened by the latest news of "investigating the investigators".


i havenít heard one single person mention this. right-wing and left-wing media and Twitter does not accurately reflect the people of this country. i think you hear this on your favorite radio station, or saw a few tweets, and mistakingly believe itís real, when in reality itís nothing more than click-bait that you are falling for. Iíve seen quite a few posters here freak out over a trending tweet, and attribute the thought to an entire political party. Makes me laugh.


Skydog32103 - 6/3/2019 at 03:33 PM

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I'm a happy, vibrant, young at heart, big goofball who is the 1st to laugh at himself and damn sure will laugh at others if buffoonery is on full display and it is.


then whatís with this debbie downer rage fest thread?

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If you have 1/2 a brain and desire to weed through the talking points on both sides you can see what is really going on and it's appalling.


you have done nothing but repeat talking points like a parrot.

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It's sad some folks are falling prey to some establishment rhetoric and gamesmanship. If the current administration has had any good actions in the last 2 1/2 years there's stories released to counter the positive narrative. The Dem's whole plot is effective and unending.


explain to me how this is different from what Fox News did to Obama.

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Colleges give out A's and multiple days off to anyone willing to attend any rally that they want to push.


this is obviously an emotional knee jerk reaction to conservatism being less popular on college campuses. college isnít a popularity contest.

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Again I'm an Independent. I seek logic in all issues. Our Country has massive debt, We need to curb our spending. We have homeless issues in this Country, but our laws entice massive migration with promises of free healthcare, free college, free legal services, free everything. It's magnetic clamoring. I'm just Joe Schmo who had to borrow 200K to help my kids. I am not rich, I get by, but my FAFSA info stated that my kids could borrow 20% of the college costs and the other 80% was called the "Expected Family Contribution" and they'd loan that "EFC" to me at double the present loan interest rates? How American is that? If colleges become "free" and Gov' subsidized the costs would be even more rampant. The current plan is everyone who gets here can just be claimed as dependents no matter if you want to support them or not.


Work harder.

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If you choose to rub out a squid watching Chris Tapper, Don Lemon, & Rachel Maddow it is you my Friend is the old misinformed color irrelevant guy.


agreed. but remember that all 24-hour cable news is bogus, including Fox News. anyone who canít see that deserves their struggles.





[Edited on 6/3/2019 by Skydog32103]


Fretsman - 6/3/2019 at 05:04 PM

My mind rambles and I at times babble, I'm just sharing my thoughts (perhaps oversharing?). I live my life with love, logic, and reason. Mueller became a puppet. Short and simple, no multi topic babble, Love To All!


Skydog32103 - 6/3/2019 at 05:35 PM

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I live my life with love, logic, and reason. Mueller became a puppet. Short and simple, no multi topic babble, Love To All!


your posts do not describe someone living with love and logic. Decorated American war hero Mueller hasnít satisfied either party with his report, but you trash him anyway because he did something you didnít like. We are all regular Joeís, but you believe you know the inner-workings of the U.S. government and know the character of our highest-ranking officials, and allow yourself to get all worked up over it - how nonsensical and illogical.

no wonder you like Trump. you both act like unhinged babies when something doesnít go your way. and now the classic post-and-run when faced with questions. whatever floats your boat.

keep telling your kids what they can and cannot watch - thatís a great strategy thatís sure to work. the violent movies and video games arenít the threat to them.


Fretsman - 6/3/2019 at 07:07 PM

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I live my life with love, logic, and reason. Mueller became a puppet. Short and simple, no multi topic babble, Love To All!


your posts do not describe someone living with love and logic. Decorated American war hero Mueller hasnít satisfied either party with his report, but you trash him anyway because he did something you didnít like. We are all regular Joeís, but you believe you know the inner-workings of the U.S. government and know the character of our highest-ranking officials, and allow yourself to get all worked up over it - how nonsensical and illogical.

no wonder you like Trump. you both act like unhinged babies when something doesnít go your way. and now the classic post-and-run when faced with questions. whatever floats your boat.

keep telling your kids what they can and cannot watch - thatís a great strategy thatís sure to work. the violent movies and video games arenít the threat to them.




I typed for 45 min's to retort this, hit reply, and was timed out. Ugh. Perhaps it's best.


BrerRabbit - 6/3/2019 at 07:20 PM

Arg! Post obliteration! Brutal! That used to happen to me way back, until it dawned on me that folks cared about as much about my opinions as I cared about theirs. Have saved a lot of breath since.


Jerry - 6/10/2019 at 09:56 PM

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Arg! Post obliteration! Brutal! That used to happen to me way back, until it dawned on me that folks cared about as much about my opinions as I cared about theirs. Have saved a lot of breath since.



Anybody remember the old Listserve? The rule was, if a post angers you, wait 24 hours to respond. That way you can write down what you want to say, and type in what you wrote, and you can change stuff you realize you don't want to say.


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