Thread: Emperor Trump Has No Clothes

cyclone88 - 5/8/2019 at 02:26 PM

So the NYT has once again conducted a laudable and exhaustive investigation to prove what is common knowledge - Trump is not and never has been the great businessman he claimed.

This isn't surprising. His lie count is approaching or has exceeded 10,000 during his presidency & he didn't start when he was inaugurated. He's been lying publicly since he was a teenager to avoid military service. His early public lies - greatest dealmaker ever - were so preposterous that they were laughed off as PR or hyperbole from a brash young man desperate to be a Master of the Universe in the 1980s.

I suspect that no one - no matter what the party affiliation - cares. Sure, he ran his campaign in part on his fictional record of great business acumen, but so what? Do any of the people who voted for him regret their vote? Is there likely to be voter dissatisfaction expressed in 2020 because he wasn't any of the things he claimed to be & hasn't done anything remotely presidential since taking office?

Anyone here care about his exposed lies?


BrerRabbit - 5/8/2019 at 03:07 PM

Yes. Each one is a step toward his demise.

He is a lie. Therefore his father is the father of lies. Omen soundtrack here.



cyclone88 - 5/8/2019 at 04:51 PM

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Omen soundtrack here.


Blasphemy! One of my all time favorite movies & only horror one on the list.

He's not evil. He's a boy from Queens who, through a great PR machine, bravado, & greedy acolytes, turned himself into PT Barnum's POTUS.


BrerRabbit - 5/8/2019 at 04:59 PM

lol - we'll see I guess, when Prince Baron ascends to the Dark Throne . . . Damien . . . Beelzebub . . .


cyclone88 - 5/8/2019 at 06:09 PM

And the answer to my original question, does anyone here CARE that Trump's empire is smoke & mirrors...

Crickets.


BrerRabbit - 5/8/2019 at 06:27 PM

What am I, chopped liver? I answered yes, right off, before the damien hoohah.


porkchopbob - 5/8/2019 at 08:22 PM

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And the answer to my original question, does anyone here CARE that Trump's empire is smoke & mirrors...

Crickets.

I think a lot of people already knew this (his businesses weren't financially but he hit it big with in Hollywood with The Apprentice), so it's no great surprise to those who saw through him while his supporters will likely rationalize it as a Phoenix risen even higher.


pops42 - 5/8/2019 at 09:50 PM

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And the answer to my original question, does anyone here CARE that Trump's empire is smoke & mirrors...

Crickets.
I don't think this will sway his legion of dopey supporters. They have the same look in their eyes as the sap's that worship televangelists, and send them their last dime. Trump ran a scam university, refused to pay subcontractors, declared bankruptcy 5 times, he not only avoided prison, but got elected president.


cyclone88 - 5/8/2019 at 09:53 PM

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What am I, chopped liver? I answered yes, right off, before the damien hoohah.

My mistake.

One person cares.

No one else does.

He will be re-elected.


MartinD28 - 5/8/2019 at 10:11 PM

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What am I, chopped liver? I answered yes, right off, before the damien hoohah.

My mistake.

One person cares.

No one else does.

He will be re-elected.


If he is re-elected it will say much more about the voting public more-so than Trump. Look at what pops wrote in an earlier post - it's just the tip of an iceberg. Has this country fallen so far so fast as to send Trump back to the WH? I keep hanging onto the midterms which were a referendum on Trump. That was an awakening and hopefully a precursor of things to come.


BrerRabbit - 5/8/2019 at 10:14 PM

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They have the same look in their eyes as the sap's that worship televangelists, and send them their last dime


If only it were that mild - looks a lot more like


tbomike - 5/8/2019 at 10:44 PM

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So the NYT has once again conducted a laudable and exhaustive investigation to prove what is common knowledge - Trump is not and never has been the great businessman he claimed.

This isn't surprising. His lie count is approaching or has exceeded 10,000 during his presidency & he didn't start when he was inaugurated. He's been lying publicly since he was a teenager to avoid military service. His early public lies - greatest dealmaker ever - were so preposterous that they were laughed off as PR or hyperbole from a brash young man desperate to be a Master of the Universe in the 1980s.

I suspect that no one - no matter what the party affiliation - cares. Sure, he ran his campaign in part on his fictional record of great business acumen, but so what? Do any of the people who voted for him regret their vote? Is there likely to be voter dissatisfaction expressed in 2020 because he wasn't any of the things he claimed to be & hasn't done anything remotely presidential since taking office?

Anyone here care about his exposed lies?


Sure I do but until he loses Fox we are f'd.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-reacts-to-trump-tax-bombshell-he-has -the-best-accountants-in-the-world

[Edited on 5/8/2019 by tbomike]


Chain - 5/8/2019 at 11:10 PM

If you've been paying any attention to the world of real estate, banking, gambling, etc. for the past 25+ years none of what this article uncovered is a surprise. Maybe the shear scope of the fraud, but not really that Trump is a colossal failure as a person who actually runs a profitable business.

What the electorate should really be concentrating on is just how titled the tax code is so as to allow developers like Trump to actually engage in such massive legal tax avoidance. Including the most recent joke of a "tax reform" law that includes even more rules allowing for even more legal tax avoidance.

It's this point that the Dems., if they really cared about the middle and lower class, should be screaming about from now until election day. Every rally, debate, press appearance, interview, town hall, etc. with every Democrat should include a serious discussion about this topic. Beat this topic to a pulp!


BIGV - 5/8/2019 at 11:26 PM

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Has this country fallen so far so fast as to send Trump back to the WH?


There are none so blind as those who won't see. It is not a question of "Falling" ...more so about the Democrats not being able to field a voice who can defeat him. Don't like him?...Come up with a Platform that captures the voting populace's heart. In the meantime quit blaming others and look in the mirror....


cyclone88 - 5/8/2019 at 11:54 PM

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If he is re-elected it will say much more about the voting public more-so than Trump. Has this country fallen so far so fast as to send Trump back to the WH?

My point exactly. Trump hasn't changed & Americans don't seem to care that there is now further confirmation that he's a fraud. It's not news. There's no news in the tax returns that Congress is aggressively trying to pry from his accountants' hands.

Martin, you're the torchbearer for faith in the electorate. I don't see any indication that there is a point at which voters will say "I will not have this man in the WH." IMO, some of those swept in by the midterms scare people of both parties. I hope you're right that someone will offer a viable alternative.

ITA w/Chain that ferreting out more evidence of corruption is irrelevant. Candidates who expect to be successful must address what voters' care about - themselves - & not the character of Trump. It's a non-starter.


MartinD28 - 5/9/2019 at 12:46 AM

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If he is re-elected it will say much more about the voting public more-so than Trump. Has this country fallen so far so fast as to send Trump back to the WH?

My point exactly. Trump hasn't changed & Americans don't seem to care that there is now further confirmation that he's a fraud. It's not news. There's no news in the tax returns that Congress is aggressively trying to pry from his accountants' hands.

Martin, you're the torchbearer for faith in the electorate. I don't see any indication that there is a point at which voters will say "I will not have this man in the WH." IMO, some of those swept in by the midterms scare people of both parties. I hope you're right that someone will offer a viable alternative.

ITA w/Chain that ferreting out more evidence of corruption is irrelevant. Candidates who expect to be successful must address what voters' care about - themselves - & not the character of Trump. It's a non-starter.


Your paragraph 2 - I guess I'm clinging to hopes in the electorate. I believe there are enough pockets of voters with diversified interests and all of the protest marches against Trump that we've seen almost from day 1 against him that some semblance of reality is enough to get rid of Trump. His TV moments with Putin should be enough to alienate those who drape themselves in the flag. Unfortunately they go silent. One would think that the Helsinki moment would be a wake up call for real independents and republicans.

The push in the midterms for healthcare platforms by the Dems was a big winner that helped propel 40 + seats take away from the GOP in the HOR. Voters bought that message much more than Trump's racist and fear mongering about caravans and immigration, which has been his go to since day 1. No doubt he'll use it again in the upcoming election along with his other go to hot buttons of media out to get him, deep state, etc.


nebish - 5/9/2019 at 01:56 AM

It's not so much that I don't care, but I am numb to it all. It is like anything that desensitizes emotions and reactions. It has been so much of the lying, the cluelessness, the self serving, the idiocy it just becomes noise and normal.

He is still the President. What? I am not going to march in protest. I am not going to write letters to the editor. My silence, and I think that of others, doesn't mean I am voting for him again. Now that doesn't mean my vote is going to go to somebody else in the duopoly system to replace him either. I shouldn't rule that out really, it is early and there are some moderate, traditional Democrat candidates that I could potentially vote for depending where the debates and policy goes. But then there is always the 3rd party route which I have done in 2 of the last 3 elections anyway.

I think our friends on the center-left to further-left here need to be a little more confident in what the 2020 election outcome will be and what the majority of voting Americans will or won't do. Cyclone, why do you say "Americans don't care"? Sure, he has a base that will vote for him, I've been seeing Trump 2020 flags and hats for a few months now. Those people are out there. Comparatively speaking I do not believe there is a large enough base alone to propel him to victory. There are soooo many more people that are not going to support this President next year. I admit, on policy I'm not awfully upset right now. But nearly every day, or sometimes multiple times in the same day I say 'I can't stomach this any more'. To me, I would be shocked, overwhelmingly shocked if Trump were to get reelected. How is he winning PA, WI and MI again? Winning those states was so out of the ordinary and so unexpected and pretty close, what makes anyone think that will happen again? And that isn't even thinking about the potential for some other swing states to flip the other way.

I feel like the Democrats just don't need to mess it up. There are plenty of people that aren't voting for Trump this go-around, give them a moderate candidate and the election shouldn't be close. Even a more liberal candidate could probably still win this time around. The ball is clearly on their side and it is their game to win.


OriginalGoober - 5/9/2019 at 02:23 AM

Another "The Orange Man is Bad" thread. I never get tired of these. The media can pat themselves on the back for pounding this drum day and nite. And they say the Russians brainwashed the masses. Strip away all the nonsense and you get down to why he will be re-elected in 2020:

Better ideas win:

1) Fix illegal immigration
2) Restore manufacturing
3) Revive the steel industry
4) Pro-Energy agenda
5) Less government
6) Strong military
7) Strong 2nd Amendment
8) America First
9) Jobs
10) and last but not least, the Wall



nebish - 5/9/2019 at 02:28 AM

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Another "The Orange Man is Bad" thread. I never get tired of these. The media can pat themselves on the back for pounding this drum day and nite. And they say the Russians brainwashed the masses. Strip away all the nonsense and you get down to why he will be re-elected in 2020:

Better ideas win:

1) Fix illegal immigration
2) Restore manufacturing
3) Revive the steel industry
4) Pro-Energy agenda
5) Less government
6) Strong military
7) Strong 2nd Amendment
8) America First
9) Jobs
10) and last but not least, the Wall





That is all well and good, but he is a lying dick. So there is that.

Less government isn't always the right answer. Strong 2nd Amendment isn't always the answer. I'm a pretty "pro energy" guy if I think what I think you mean - but there is absolutely nothing wrong with pursuing alternative and renewable energy sources at the same time.

You can't paint the electorate with such a broad brush. Maybe in the Right vs Left, Republican vs Democrat sense, but more people are independent than they are members of those parties.


JimSheridan - 5/9/2019 at 02:35 AM

Demagoguery wins. Demagoguery works. It has throughout history. Trump is very intelligent in branding, in scapegoating, in sound-biting, more than most people are. He knows media, and he knows audiences.

Trump gives his base a constant stream of enemies to hate; like so many great fear-mongers, he has demonized the media, especially the print press; he has demonized academia; he gave Trump America an awesome opportunity to hate on wealthy blacks via his stance on the NFL; he has demonized climate change and other scientific findings. He has made it easy to be dumb.

By getting caught telling lies almost daily, he has exhausted the voice of critics who call out his lies; plus, his base is so bored by hearing complaints about his lies that they no longer notice or care. It's just haters hatin' when someone points out that he just claimed that his father was born in Germany (!) or that windmills cause cancer (!).

It's impressive. This is a man who has publicly cheated on all 3 of his wives...and gets embraced by the religious right. This is a man who dodged the draft and publicly shamed veterans and war heros....and gets embraced by the military. He's a major TV star....who claims he is anti-Hollywood after years of "The Apprentice." He claims he keeps all of his campaign promises, yet on the campaign he promised that he'd release his tax returns and get Mexico to the pay for the wall. He's the guy who criticizes Obama's vacations yet takes more vacations than Obama did. The list goes on.

Yet there is a great chance he will win. He has Fox in his pocket, obviously, as well as talk radio, and that is huge. He can certainly point to upticks in the economy as long as you ignore the national debt's record heights. He has cut plenty of regulations, a great convenience to those who don't care about pollution or damage to the environment.

Plus, he pisses off liberals, especially those teachers who wanted you to learn to read books in school. He makes it fun to bash gays (who he embraced on the campaign trail) and illegal immigrants (though his own businesses hired them) and China (who made Trump products for years). Who wouldn't want this guy back?


BrerRabbit - 5/9/2019 at 03:44 AM

Im writing in JimSheridan in 2020
nebish for vice prez

[Edited on 5/9/2019 by BrerRabbit]


2112 - 5/9/2019 at 04:07 AM

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Plus, he pisses off liberals, especially those teachers who wanted you to learn to read books in school.


Honestly, I think this is the most important thing to 80% of his supporters. They don't care what he does, as long as it pisses off liberals. They know he lies, but those lies puss off liberals so they love him. They know he is crooked, but the fact that it bothers liberals makes it ok.

Will he be reelected? Well that depends on a few thousand votes in a handful of states in the middle of the country. He doesn't need a majority of voters, he just needs to win the right states. It will help his cause if Democrats turn against each other like they did last time. If Russia can hack the right computer to make enough Democrats stay home in a few states, well the naked emperor gets 4 more years.


BIGV - 5/9/2019 at 05:11 AM

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They don't care what he does, as long as it pisses off liberals.


Or could it be that he espouses beliefs that Liberals find distasteful, but Conservatives agree with?

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He doesn't need a majority of voters, he just needs to win the right states.


Just like EVERY other President has done?......See, you can not win the WH without the Electoral College.


MartinD28 - 5/9/2019 at 11:39 AM

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Im writing in JimSheridan in 2020
nebish for vice prez

[Edited on 5/9/2019 by BrerRabbit]


Jim's post is one of the best I've read in WP in a long long time. He articulated so many factual points in one post. After reading that, it baffles the mind how anyone could even consider voting for the likes of Donald Trump.

Great post, Jim!


nebish - 5/9/2019 at 11:43 AM

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Im writing in JimSheridan in 2020
nebish for vice prez

[Edited on 5/9/2019 by BrerRabbit]


I would love to see a unity ticket in 2020, a candidate who isn't beholden to the fringes of their parties, somebody who blurs the lines of traditional left/right positions. I was disappointed when Bloomberg opted out of running. Blending and compromising ideals is what interests me and I think is best for our country.


MartinD28 - 5/9/2019 at 12:00 PM

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Another "The Orange Man is Bad" thread. I never get tired of these. The media can pat themselves on the back for pounding this drum day and nite. And they say the Russians brainwashed the masses. Strip away all the nonsense and you get down to why he will be re-elected in 2020:

Better ideas win:

1) Fix illegal immigration
2) Restore manufacturing
3) Revive the steel industry
4) Pro-Energy agenda
5) Less government
6) Strong military
7) Strong 2nd Amendment
8) America First
9) Jobs
10) and last but not least, the Wall







1) Fix illegal immigration - i.e. - put children in cages & attempt to eliminate legal asylum.
2) Restore manufacturing - Harley Davidson, Carrier, Ford?
3) Revive the steel industry
4) Pro-Energy agenda - climate change denier. Campaigned on coal.
5) Less government - has worked out well because he has struggled to fill positions because many won't work for him. Take a look at how many have either had to resign under bad circumstances or couldn't stomach him (example General Jim Mattis)
6) Strong military - he cancelled war games in South Korea to appease a fellow dictator in North Korea who is still developing nuclear weapons and firing them.
7) Strong 2nd Amendment
8) America First - How many of his family's product lines are produced in America. Trump fails on tariffs and trade wars. How's that playing out for mid western states? He shut down the government and ate it on that causing major problems for the country and peoples' lives.
9) Jobs
10) and last but not least, the Wall - A major success? Mexico is still paying for it? Will he revive that to campaign on the same in the next election? How many new miles have been built? Executive order that will fail.

11) goob, you forgot to mention that Trump <> your love crush, Crooked Hillary. That alone trumps all your other 10 points combined.


alloak41 - 5/9/2019 at 08:04 PM

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They don't care what he does, as long as it pisses off liberals.


Or could it be that he espouses beliefs that Liberals find distasteful, but Conservatives agree with?
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Kind of a mute point. Liberals always seem angry, no matter who occupies the WH. They don't need Trumps help in that area, of all things! The Obama years should serve as a good recent example of that.

According to many accepted measures of performance, the country seems to be doing pretty well and that's all most of us care about.

If you want an Eagle Scout in the Oval, I can understand a bit of superficial disappointment at best. I don't.

One positive takeaway is that Liberals seem to have raised their ethical standards (i.e Lying) since President Trump was elected. That's a plus.

I don't care if folks love Trump or hate him. I just want the country to do well, and it is.


KCJimmy - 5/9/2019 at 08:28 PM

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According to many accepted measures of performance, the country seems to be doing pretty well and that's all most of us care about......

I don't care if folks love Trump or hate him. I just want the country to do well, and it is.
BINGO! We have a BINGO!

If any of you have written off a billion dollars on your taxes over a decade and successfully stayed in business for several more I would love to hear your criticism of Trumps business acumen.

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If he is re-elected it will say much more about the voting public more-so than Trump. Look at what pops wrote in an earlier post - it's just the tip of an iceberg. Has this country fallen so far so fast as to send Trump back to the WH? I keep hanging onto the midterms which were a referendum on Trump. That was an awakening and hopefully a precursor of things to come.

Describes Exactly how I felt leading up to Obama's re-election. You will survive. The country is doing very well. He will be re-elected.


cyclone88 - 5/9/2019 at 10:53 PM

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Cyclone, why do you say "Americans don't care"?

For precisely the reason you mention - numbness/de-sensitivity. There seems to be a general acceptance that his campaign was built on lies & investigative reporting to confirm that seems only to be important to the writers (in hopes of a Pulitzer) & future historians. Otherwise, it seems - as Jim Sheridan so ably points out - like piling on to both sides. I've not heard one single Trump voter say they regret their vote nor do they expect to vote differently in 2020.

My perspective may be skewed because I've been working in Europe for the past 6 months where fear of Trump's demagoguery, unabashed racism, and admiration for autocrats is high. The oft-received question of why, in the face of all that was known before, was he elected and in the face of all the corruption exposed since, is he likely to be re-elected is one I can't answer.





alloak41 - 5/10/2019 at 12:17 AM


Asking the wrong questions, or blaming factors outside the Democratic party's OWN failures and miscalculations aren't likely to be much help.

They'll likely end up just as far off base as many of the past pronouncements/predictions made here in the past. The GOP is going extinct, has been rejected by the American public, won't win another election in 50 years, and so forth...

Excuses, blame game/misplaced blame is futile....Time for an inward look yet?


Bhawk - 5/10/2019 at 12:36 AM

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I would love to see a unity ticket in 2020, a candidate who isn't beholden to the fringes of their parties, somebody who blurs the lines of traditional left/right positions.


That ain’t happening ever again.


Bhawk - 5/10/2019 at 12:42 AM

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Cyclone, why do you say "Americans don't care"?

For precisely the reason you mention - numbness/de-sensitivity. There seems to be a general acceptance that his campaign was built on lies & investigative reporting to confirm that seems only to be important to the writers (in hopes of a Pulitzer) & future historians. Otherwise, it seems - as Jim Sheridan so ably points out - like piling on to both sides. I've not heard one single Trump voter say they regret their vote nor do they expect to vote differently in 2020.


Why would they? If Jesus himself returned as a Democrat they wouldn’t vote for him.

The divide between red and blue is real and things need to reshape around the division. The concept of unity is folly. We do not all want the same things.


alloak41 - 5/10/2019 at 12:46 AM

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Trump ran a scam university, refused to pay subcontractors, declared bankruptcy 5 times, he not only avoided prison, but got elected president.


Correct. Only what you fail to mention is that this was all available for public consumption long before Election Day yet he still won.

Any lesson here? Don't the real reasons for this go just a little deeper than merely placing blame on the voting populace, or worse some kind of armchair psychoanalysis of the voting public?


BrerRabbit - 5/10/2019 at 01:53 AM

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. . .I've been working in Europe for the past 6 months where fear of Trump's demagoguery, unabashed racism, and admiration for autocrats is high. . . .


88 . . . Cyclone 88 . . . international man of mystery! I know US politics makes waves, but gotta say Europe is facing the same rise in nationalism and racism, really no reason they need to look beyond their own behavior to get concerned, other than to verify this trend as an international problem, as well as the US creating a role model and precedent. Certainly a grave concern but that doesn't remove their responsibility for their same problems.


[Edited on 5/10/2019 by BrerRabbit]


cyclone88 - 5/10/2019 at 02:16 AM

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88 . . . Cyclone 88 . . . international man of mystery! I know US politics makes waves, but gotta say Europe is facing the same rise in nationalism and racism, really no reason they need to look beyond their own behavior to get concerned, other than to verify this trend as an international problem, as well as the US creating a role model and precedent.


Right. They're scaring themselves. Which reminds me, the best response to my original question about the NYT investigation into Trump's old taxes led me to re-watch The Omen. The score was Jerry Goldsmith's only Oscar out of 18 nominations.

[Edited on 5/10/2019 by cyclone88]


BrerRabbit - 5/10/2019 at 02:43 AM

That was some disturbing music. I should probably delete my last post, its gonzo. I have the flu and am pretty well zonked. Yeah, we all care, I think at some point it hit me that bullsh!t is the new truth. So Im here all dizzy watching "The Blue and the Grey" on dvd, hearing the same noise being made out there right now. Dramas just have to play themselves out I guess. We can vote, whoo-hoo, thats just peachy, but isnt gonna stop the fear and war mongers and their legions who are polishing up rifles and stockpiling ammo in their garages for the Magacalypse.


nebish - 5/10/2019 at 12:54 PM

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Cyclone, why do you say "Americans don't care"?


For precisely the reason you mention - numbness/de-sensitivity. There seems to be a general acceptance that his campaign was built on lies & investigative reporting to confirm that seems only to be important to the writers (in hopes of a Pulitzer) & future historians. Otherwise, it seems - as Jim Sheridan so ably points out - like piling on to both sides. I've not heard one single Trump voter say they regret their vote nor do they expect to vote differently in 2020.

My perspective may be skewed because I've been working in Europe for the past 6 months where fear of Trump's demagoguery, unabashed racism, and admiration for autocrats is high. The oft-received question of why, in the face of all that was known before, was he elected and in the face of all the corruption exposed since, is he likely to be re-elected is one I can't answer.







You have heard from atleast single Trump voter who said they plan to vote differently in 2020, me.

Otherwise, the people who might also express the same feelings might be a little reluctant to say they even voted for Trump. You have the circle that is proud and points to all the all the things they like about the President (originalgoober for instance), then you have the group who voted for Trump and might be happy with some actions by the administration but also sees all the nonsense and folly from the President and would rather not have to defend their vote or let anyone know they voted for him. I don't have anything to hide, I'm comfortable with myself and my views and actions. But for a lot of people saying they voted for Trump can be, well, maybe embarrassing. So from those people you might not be getting the "I'm voting different next time" because they don't want to let on how they voted the first time. The vocal supporters who wear MAGA hats and Trump bumper stickers are never going to say that. Of the nearly 63 million people that voted for Trump, how many people are the hardcore Trumpers vs people like me? People that decided to try something different, or blue collar Dems that flipped. And then there must be alot of people that held their nose and voted for their Republican party in 2016 who really weren't Trump supporters. I think odds are that many of those votes will not repeat in 2020.


nebish - 5/10/2019 at 01:10 PM

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According to many accepted measures of performance, the country seems to be doing pretty well and that's all most of us care about......

I don't care if folks love Trump or hate him. I just want the country to do well, and it is.


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BINGO! We have a BINGO!

If any of you have written off a billion dollars on your taxes over a decade and successfully stayed in business for several more I would love to hear your criticism of Trumps business acumen.



I would imagine that is is actually difficult to accumulate such massive losses, to the point where some of it is purposeful. The IRS allow you to carryover losses to reduce future income.

I do think the country is doing well. However, when I voted for Trump I was hoping he wasn't in fact a Republican and wouldn't govern as a Republican, because if you remember back then, a lot of people were questioning this. My hope was that we would get a "deal makers" who could get a little to get a little and we'd have some bipartisan bills on big issues. I said this immediately after the election. Unfortunately, if Trump wasn't a Republican then, he quickly became one. The only exceptions from the Republican playbook being his views on trade and the growing control by neocons in the party. So this is really my fault I guess more than Trump's fault with politics in Washington being what it is. I hoped to get something that really could never happen, what I want in Washington...as Bhawk so frequently reminds me, just isn't ever happening.


alanwoods - 5/10/2019 at 01:24 PM

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If Jesus himself returned as a Democrat they wouldn’t vote for him.


Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, Beto, Mayor Pete, et al., aren't Jesus.


cyclone88 - 5/10/2019 at 01:57 PM

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You have heard from atleast single Trump voter who said they plan to vote differently in 2020, me.


Didn't know that.


KCJimmy - 5/10/2019 at 05:00 PM

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I've not heard one single Trump voter say they regret their vote nor do they expect to vote differently in 2020.
Other than Nebish, neither have I. But I have heard of a lot who did not vote for him that plan to in 2020. And mostly for the same reasons that Nebish will not.


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However, when I voted for Trump I was hoping he wasn't in fact a Republican and wouldn't govern as a Republican, because if you remember back then, a lot of people were questioning this.
This was a fair question at the time because he was a Democrat for so very long. However, Republican or not he is doing (or in some cases trying) exactly what he said he intended to do. Been a while since ANY party put someone in the white house that did that.


Bhawk - 5/10/2019 at 05:51 PM

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If Jesus himself returned as a Democrat they wouldn’t vote for him.


Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, Beto, Mayor Pete, et al., aren't Jesus.


I already know you wouldn't vote for any Democrat.


alanwoods - 5/10/2019 at 06:56 PM

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If Jesus himself returned as a Democrat they wouldn’t vote for him.


Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, Beto, Mayor Pete, et al., aren't Jesus.


I already know you wouldn't vote for any Democrat.


I have. Once. A state level legislator that did me a favor. A nice fellow, too. Unfortunately, his rather public fall from grace involved an arrest in a very inebriated state in the wee hours of the morning. He was stopped at a traffic light with a hooker's face in his lap.


Chain - 5/11/2019 at 01:07 PM

I live in upstate, NY in the heart of the dairy industry that is a big part of the overall farming segment of our state and local economy. My area went big for Trump in 2016 (one the few areas of New York that did).

I know of several past Trump supporters that claim they WILL NOT vote for him again due to his lack of support of the dairy industry. They feel the most recent agriculture bill did nothing to protect the dairy industry as seems to have happened for years now. Many also think he has very little comprehension of the difference between dairy and commodity farming.

Also, our Senators' Schumer and Gillibrand and Congresswoman Elise Stefanik (A Republican) have attempted to reform the dairy pricing process and insurance program via congressional legislation. Trump has not only done little to champion such efforts, he seems oblivious that such legislation has even been sponsored or was pushed to be included in the recently passed Ag. bill.

Given New York certainly will go Dem. in 2020, their votes against Trump only add to that inevitability. However, they are examples of voters who at least claim they've turned against Trump. My point is there are long time Republican voters and previous Trump supporters who do feel Trump doesn't deserve a second term.


Bhawk - 5/11/2019 at 02:07 PM

He doesn’t do the details. He’s never cared about the details. He’s written books on being successful without caring about the details. Hundreds of people that have been in his world for almost fifty years have all said he’ll never work hard at the details.

And yet, the fact that he still doesn’t care about the details still surprises people.


MartinD28 - 5/11/2019 at 05:29 PM

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He doesn’t do the details. He’s never cared about the details. He’s written books on being successful without caring about the details. Hundreds of people that have been in his world for almost fifty years have all said he’ll never work hard at the details.

And yet, the fact that he still doesn’t care about the details still surprises people.


So dangerous an impact upon economic issues and foreign policy. Details matter. Why have advisors if one thinks he knows more then advisors and just wings it on gut intuition?

Who would have ever thought that an American President would cozy up with dictators - Russia, North Korea, Saudi Arabia? Any previous President who did this would have been deemed a traitor by the GOP. Now for them it's just another day at the office to brush it aside, give cover to a despot, and make sure seats are protected in the next election. This is the new America First.

Textbooks will have to be rewritten to reflect the change in normalcy and acceptance once Donald Trump was elected.

But we read here that all is good. I guess I'm missing something.


Chain - 5/11/2019 at 07:54 PM

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He doesn’t do the details. He’s never cared about the details. He’s written books on being successful without caring about the details. Hundreds of people that have been in his world for almost fifty years have all said he’ll never work hard at the details.

And yet, the fact that he still doesn’t care about the details still surprises people.


Indeed....Which is why when I speak with local dairy people I ask them point blank why they ever thought Trump would come to their rescue when he has no knowledge or interest whatsoever in agriculture much less the dairy industry?

Many simply reply with the typical "Well he is a businessman isn't he?" Or "I'm a longtime Republican and can't stand Hilary so Trump is the better choice..."


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