Thread: VA LtGov Allegations Include Corey Maggette

cyclone88 - 2/9/2019 at 12:06 AM

I don't understand why a woman would tell SM friends via email & Facebook rather than the cops that she was raped. Why didn't those friends call the cops? Did she tell them not to? An immediate investigation of her allegations would've taken place if the cops had known. Instead, we get a tweet 19 years later regarding the alleged rapist's fitness for political office.

I've spent the last 25 years looking at rape cases & lost rape kits. Rapists should be punished. I certainly don't know what happened w/Fairfax, but I don't like the rush to judge him based on a tweet from her lawyer 19 years after the fact. She doesn't want to be further traumatized but calls for an investigation & a public announcement.

This is not Kavanaugh redux.

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gina - 2/9/2019 at 08:17 PM

People who are assaulted are psychologically traumatized, which is why IF someone calls the cops and they take her to the hospital to be examined, someone with some training can be called to help the woman, because she has to be exposed while they care collecting evidence, and she has no idea what they are going to do, or how and may not be capable of emotionally enduring that right after an attack. Depending on the circumstances, if it is a husband or someone she knows there are a lot of other things emotionally tied to it, being violated by someone you have known and trusted. I don't know if that is worse than being attacked by a stranger but I think both have severe consequences to the victim.

Look at how long it took for the Metoo movement to be born. People could not come forward till now.





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cyclone88 - 2/9/2019 at 09:13 PM

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People who are assaulted are psychologically traumatized,
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You're right. Rape is a traumatic experience & one of the reasons women are reluctant to come forward. I know. I've worked in this area of law for 25 years. In 2000, people who handled rape cases were specially trained to handle the psychological effects & make the evidence collection & recounting of the rape as easy as possible for the victim. The victim's name is withheld.

The former Duke student making allegations against the LtGov told friends via email & Facebook, but not anyone who could actually investigate, and if appropriate, charge the rapist. Consequently, there was no possibility of the alleged rapist being prosecuted. By remaining silent, not only did the alleged rapist escape investigation, the victim didn't get the benefit of psychological counseling & support she would've had she reported the assault.

18 years later, she suddenly doesn't mind reliving all the trauma by first calling the Washington Post to tell them her story. They didn't find anything to support her claim & didn't publish. She didn't mention it again.

Now, just as the Gov is being urged to step down & the LtGov to replace him, she hires a lawyer who tweets the details of her ordeal, publishes her name, & starts making the rounds of giving interviews. She's calling for an investigation she wouldn't pursue when the evidence was available. Why? if not for political reasons. There's no possibility of criminal charges at this point.

I'm being objective. Her timing seems suspect. People, including high ranking politicians in VA, are calling her claim "credible." Based on what is what I'd like to know before demanding this man step down.

Women didn't have to wait for #metoo to report rape. The 1st rape crisis center originated in 1972. The national rape crisis hotline has been around for 30 years for ALL types of sexual assault, including men & children. Thousands of women have been reporting rape as it happens, their rapists are convicted, and the false reports are culled out.



cyclone88 - 2/12/2019 at 12:11 PM

So, now Corey Magette has been identified as the Duke basketball player who allegedly raped Lt. Gov. Fairfax's accuser in 1999. Again, she didn't go to the police. She told friends he raped her in the 1998-99 season. Duke is investigating the allegations, although it's hard to imagine how. Mr. Magette had never heard the allegations except through media.

Meredith Watson, the alleged victim in both cases, claims to be ready to testify in impeachment hearings v. Fairfax. There are no such hearings.

I continue to wonder WHY she has waited 20 years to make these allegations. Her timing v. Fairfax coincided with his inauguration as Lt. Gov & then on the eve of when he was expected to become governor should Northam step down. The only explanation to me seems political motivation. Is Magette just collateral damage?

If your wife/daughter/sister is raped, make sure she GOES TO THE POLICE who have specially trained investigators who offer victim assistance. Ms. Watson claims she may have gone to an unnamed dean at Duke re Mr. Magette's alleged rape. This is pointless. Only the police can conduct an investigation that will result in charges v. the perpetrator.

I find everything about this disturbing & am seemingly the only one save one or two posters. However, rape is a horrific crime. It is also a horrific accusation against someone when made 20 years too late for a productive investigation to take place. Ms. Watson wasn't a terrified child raped by a pedophile; she was an adult who allegedly suffered not one but two rapes while in college. I don't like the pronouncement by Democratic politicians that she is "credible" based on no investigation and calls for Fairfax's resignation based on nothing more than allegations.

Virginia - a purple state - apparently can live with 2 of its 3 highest elected officials admittedly wearing blackface. An investigation of criminal charges against the 3rd should occur before demands for his resignation.

Republicans are gleeful that this mess puts VA in their hands for 2020.


nebish - 2/12/2019 at 03:43 PM

Cyclone, in your experience, how much of the non-reporting is due to embarrassment? Maybe she doesn't want people to know she was with a certain person...so many variables could be in play as to why she wouldn't want anyone else to know. Even if that means the rapist goes unpunished, perhaps in some ways the victim rationalizes that not reporting keeps it quiet and it is better that nobody else knows for one reason or another? Maybe she has some guilt that she took a certain situation to a point where she wanted it to stop and then the perpetrator pushed beyond and she just tries to bury it instead of having everyone else realize what they were doing? Nobody wants any of this kind of stuff to be public, so some bury it to avoid further embarrassment. Is that some of it?

I can think of some reasons why they might not report and then as years go by, those reasons fade or no longer matter and they tear the scar off and start talking about it.

In our family, we had an issue 25+ years ago that just surfaced 2 yeas ago...an older cousin and a younger cousin. She kept it quiet for decades and then exposed it. After she told everyone, he admitted it. I understand why she might've not said anything back then, putting myself in her shoes I understand her reasons for not telling. Obviously it would've been better to tell right away, and she was a child, but people don't always think clearly and rationally. He admitted so nobody had to go through the accusation / denial thing. It has really divided the family as some people have forgiven him and act like nothing ever happened, but nothing can ever be the same.

It is the challenge, because false accusations do happen. So without lack of immediate or near immediate reporting, how can you know if both parties say opposite things? You certainly want to respect and believe somebody who might have had this happen to them, but should that be the default...what if it isn't true then an innocent person's life is ruined for nothing. Very difficult. The only thing to do is report. It might make a bad situation worse short term, but in the long run is the best way.

I get your skepticism on this issue at hand. I just don't know how I feel either way.


cyclone88 - 2/12/2019 at 04:57 PM

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Cyclone, in your experience, how much of the non-reporting is due to embarrassment? Maybe she doesn't want people to know she was with a certain person...so many variables could be in play as to why she wouldn't want anyone else to know. Even if that means the rapist goes unpunished, perhaps in some ways the victim rationalizes that not reporting keeps it quiet and it is better that nobody else knows for one reason or another? Maybe she has some guilt that she took a certain situation to a point where she wanted it to stop and then the perpetrator pushed beyond and she just tries to bury it instead of having everyone else realize what they were doing? Nobody wants any of this kind of stuff to be public, so some bury it to avoid further embarrassment. Is that some of it?

I can think of some reasons why they might not report and then as years go by, those reasons fade or no longer matter and they tear the scar off and start talking about it.

In our family, we had an issue 25+ years ago that just surfaced 2 yeas ago...an older cousin and a younger cousin. She kept it quiet for decades and then exposed it. After she told everyone, he admitted it. I understand why she might've not said anything back then, putting myself in her shoes I understand her reasons for not telling. Obviously it would've been better to tell right away, and she was a child, but people don't always think clearly and rationally. He admitted so nobody had to go through the accusation / denial thing. It has really divided the family as some people have forgiven him and act like nothing ever happened, but nothing can ever be the same.

It is the challenge, because false accusations do happen. So without lack of immediate or near immediate reporting, how can you know if both parties say opposite things? You certainly want to respect and believe somebody who might have had this happen to them, but should that be the default...what if it isn't true then an innocent person's life is ruined for nothing. Very difficult. The only thing to do is report. It might make a bad situation worse short term, but in the long run is the best way.

I get your skepticism on this issue at hand. I just don't know how I feel either way.


Thank you for your thoughtful comments & I'm sorry for your family.

First, children almost ALWAYS don't say anything, particularly if it is a family member or revered figure such as a priest. They are frightened, worry they won't be believed, & in many cases, threatened if they "tell." That's the reason two organizations in particular have lobbied diligently to eliminate statutes of limitations for child rape/assault cases & have been successful. Child victims can now successfully have their cases heard in court. The Catholic Church knows this better than anyone else.

As to the accuser at Duke, she told many, many friends and posted on Facebook that she had been raped at the time, including the identities of her alleged rapists. So, I would say that doesn't indicate she was embarrassed.

What she didn't do - nor did her friends, some of whom didn't go to Duke or knew her only through Facebook - was go to the cops!

To answer your question, I've NEVER encountered a situation like this in 25 years where the accuser tells everyone she knows, identifies her alleged rapists, and yet doesn't go to the police so the assaults can be investigated properly, the alleged rapists charged & tried or not, and she receives the counseling & support needed.

Worse, she remains silent for almost 20 years & when the Lt. Gov is elected, goes to the media (The Washington Post who finds no evidence to report the story), remains quiet again, and then when there's a strong likelihood that the Lt. Gov will become Governor, hires a law firm to tweet the allegations to the world. In 20 years, she still hasn't gone to the cops in Durham NC where the assaults allegedly took place. The FBI has no jurisdiction to investigate. The VA legislature has no investigative abilities. Duke is making inquiries into its 1998-99 team on which Magette played before going on to a 14-year NBA career to what end?

So, no, I've never heard of such a situation where a victim is raped twice in two years in the same town tells people who have no authority to do anything at the time, but 20 years later makes a national announcement when it seems politically expedient. That isn't to say it didn't happen. It makes her story unusual. It doesn't make it "credible" as those calling for the Lt. Gov's resignation call it.

As you point out, this leaves the Lt. Gov, Magette, & the accuser in limbo. There will always be question marks after their names.


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