Thread: How the media influences

OriginalGoober - 2/8/2019 at 12:38 AM

So, a former waitress is now a climate change expert? I am learning alot about politics following her. She still doesnt know where the bathrooms are yet she is front and center on a climate bill? I always assumed that one had to know something about a topic before they sit down to regulate it. This is frightening.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Unveils Landmark Green New Deal Resolution


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal_us_5c588e 7fe4b09293b20730d7


2112 - 2/8/2019 at 01:57 AM

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So, a former waitress is now a climate change expert? I am learning alot about politics following her. She still doesnt know where the bathrooms are yet she is front and center on a climate bill? I always assumed that one had to know something about a topic before they sit down to regulate it. This is frightening.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Unveils Landmark Green New Deal Resolution


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal_us_5c588e 7fe4b09293b20730d7



This bothers you? Funny that you would talk about qualifications, considering almost none of Trumpís cabinet have any qualifications at all for their positions. And the few that are actually qualified Trump doesn't believe. And yet you feel the need to post about this? Wow!


BIGV - 2/8/2019 at 02:20 AM

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So, a former waitress is now a climate change expert?


Shouldn't surprise you, Hollywood is full of actors who are experts on Politics.


2112 - 2/8/2019 at 04:42 AM

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So, a former waitress is now a climate change expert?


Shouldn't surprise you, Hollywood is full of actors who are experts on Politics.


So true. A second rate reality TV show star even became president.


BIGV - 2/8/2019 at 06:15 AM

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So, a former waitress is now a climate change expert?


Shouldn't surprise you, Hollywood is full of actors who are experts on Politics.


So true. A second rate reality TV show star even became president.


Fair enough. And actors like Robert DeNiro can show off their language skills by dropping F bombs when talking about the President; goes to credibility.


MartinD28 - 2/8/2019 at 12:18 PM

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So, a former waitress is now a climate change expert?


Shouldn't surprise you, Hollywood is full of actors who are experts on Politics.


So true. A second rate reality TV show star even became president.


And the same ones who are critical of Hollywood actors would undoubtedly be critical of Ronald Reagan.


BoytonBrother - 2/8/2019 at 12:54 PM

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So, a former waitress is now a climate change expert?


A former waitres is now a Congresswoman with a staff to brief her on matters, which would make her much more informed than anyone on this board. Itís called ambition and career development.....foreign concepts to you and BIGV it seems.

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I am learning alot about politics following her.


Iíve always found this incredibly odd. I avoid Trump If I can.....havenít read his tweets in over a year, never listened to a single speech. Why follow someone you hate? Are you a sadist?


cyclone88 - 2/8/2019 at 01:00 PM

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And the same ones who are critical of Hollywood actors would undoubtedly be critical of Ronald Reagan.


As I recall they were. Throughout his candidacy & presidency, he was mocked for being an actor. Apparently, being gov of California had no merit. Having majored in economics in college was dismissed. He had a tough final year when he was mocked for "acting" when he was actually living w/Alzheimer's.


BoytonBrother - 2/8/2019 at 01:00 PM

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And actors like Robert DeNiro can show off their language skills by dropping F bombs when talking about the President; goes to credibility.


Iím sure DeNiro is at home right now worrying about his credibility with you. ďLanguage skillsĒ, lol. Have you read your own posts? Shakespeare you are not.


cyclone88 - 2/8/2019 at 01:05 PM

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Iíve always found this incredibly odd. I avoid Trump If I can.....havenít read his tweets in over a year, never listened to a single speech. Why follow someone you hate?


Me, too. I can't stand to even look at Trump & haven't listened to him. I never read his tweets. I know what's being said by reading transcripts & news accounts, but I can't actually stomach him. I had my fill of him swaggering around NYC in his Art of Daddy's Deal years.

Why follow someone you hate is a great question.


nebish - 2/8/2019 at 01:19 PM

We could use a thread on the details of the Green New Deal, assuming we are capable still of talking to each other about things we might disagree without name calling, but this thread clearly isn't it.


cyclone88 - 2/8/2019 at 01:37 PM

I don't see the point of denigrating someone who has achieved more than any of us on this board at the age of 29 or anyone else for that matter.

AOC is not just a waitress. She graduated from Boston Univ w/a dual major in international relations & economics. She interned on Capitol Hill and was an officer of a non-profit going back to college. In high school, she was 2nd in Intel's international SCIENCE fair so she actually understands science. She understands the briefs on the topics she gets.

The man currently in the Oval Office was a rich playboy w/family money who got lucky when he was cast on The Apprentice that gave him the national celebrity he'd always craved. By his own admission, he made far more money on that show than he ever made in real estate.

Did no one here ever work a job that was beneath their skills & education while pursuing something larger? Especially when we were in our teens & early 20s? Are we supposed to be defined by that?

It would be nice to discuss a topic w/o trolls.






porkchopbob - 2/8/2019 at 01:49 PM

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So, a former waitress is now a climate change expert?

Who hasn't started out as a waitress or some other job to earn money? So it's bad she worked to earn a living as a young person? Do you only trust the opinion of those born into money and didn't have to work to support themselves?

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Shouldn't surprise you, Hollywood is full of actors who are experts on Politics.

So are music fan message boards.


MartinD28 - 2/8/2019 at 02:31 PM

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And the same ones who are critical of Hollywood actors would undoubtedly be critical of Ronald Reagan.


As I recall they were. Throughout his candidacy & presidency, he was mocked for being an actor. Apparently, being gov of California had no merit. Having majored in economics in college was dismissed. He had a tough final year when he was mocked for "acting" when he was actually living w/Alzheimer's.




There is accuracy in that, yet at the same time for years the GOP was known as the party of Reagan. I'm not sure how those two concepts reconcile.

Now it is Trump's party of enablers. Wonder what Reagan would think.


BIGV - 2/8/2019 at 03:42 PM

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Shouldn't surprise you, Hollywood is full of actors who are experts on Politics.


So are music fan message boards.


Fair enough. The difference being, Hollywood truly believes their thoughts and opinions matter......

Here?


BrerRabbit - 2/8/2019 at 03:56 PM

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Who hasn't started out as a waitress or some other job to earn money? So it's bad she worked to earn a living as a young person? Do you only trust the opinion of those born into money and didn't have to work to support themselves?


Working class kid aces college - not easy. More to her credit! Most of these pols left and right are upper crusties.


BoytonBrother - 2/8/2019 at 05:03 PM

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Fair enough. The difference being, Hollywood truly believes their thoughts and opinions matter......


Heaven forbid!! Canít have anyone believing their opinions matter! Why would you think your thoughts and opinions donít matter? Just curious.


BIGV - 2/8/2019 at 05:07 PM

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So, a former waitress is now a climate change expert?


Yes! And this "Genius" has stated the world is going to end in 12 years!


cyclone88 - 2/8/2019 at 05:11 PM

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There is accuracy in that, yet at the same time for years the GOP was known as the party of Reagan. I'm not sure how those two concepts reconcile.

Now it is Trump's party of enablers. Wonder what Reagan would think.


Reagan wouldn't believe it was his party. Platform aside, when he was a candidate, there was concern that a DIVORCED man could become prez in the dawn of the evangelical zealot stranglehold on the party. It was that bunch who really cemented the anit-abortion single issue vote for the GOP.

They seem to have faded yet that single-issue lives on. As if any one of those who've been shown to be womanizers wouldn't have sent their GFs for an abortion. Trump & Edwards got caught because their GFs wanted an "anchor baby" hold on them & thus, we have Marla's $5mm Tiffany. Even Karen McDougal said her affair w/Trump was "unprotected."

IMO, Trump's enablers are wavering if they think their seat is in danger.


porkchopbob - 2/8/2019 at 05:17 PM

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Fair enough. The difference being, Hollywood truly believes their thoughts and opinions matter......

Here?

Both are citizens with opinions, just different professions.


BIGV - 2/8/2019 at 06:11 PM

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Fair enough. The difference being, Hollywood truly believes their thoughts and opinions matter......

Here?

Both are citizens with opinions, just different professions.


True. I would ask if you believe there is a sense of entitlement attached to celebrity (Hollywood) opinions simply by virtue of the size of the podium? Realizing that not everyone sees things through the same types of glasses, I would say that my plumber's opinion (being a citizen) is just as "valid" as any Hollywood personality... But, as the dumbing down of America continues, which one is more influential?.....Me? I stopped listening to the Clowns in front of the camera, decades ago....but the % of people actually listening is disturbing....


porkchopbob - 2/8/2019 at 08:31 PM

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True. I would ask if you believe there is a sense of entitlement attached to celebrity (Hollywood) opinions simply by virtue of the size of the podium?

I don't believe they feel entitled. Melania, Erik, and Don Jr, Jared Kushner are entitled.

If after years of waiting tables you became successful, and happen to be passionate about social issues, wouldn't you try to make a difference? Or would you still stoically keep it on low-traffic message boards? Is there an equation for how successful one becomes to how silent they must remain?

When you consider that there are many more financially successful white color folks with much more actual influence (because honestly, who do you think is actually changing their vote because of what George Clooney says?) into policy than entertainers have, it's clear you simply disagree with a handful of successful people who speak their mind (well, except the President).


BoytonBrother - 2/8/2019 at 08:41 PM

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I would say that my plumber's opinion (being a citizen) is just as "valid" as any Hollywood personality... But, as the dumbing down of America continues, which one is more influential?.....Me?


They earned that influence fair and square, by having talent and being able to generate millions of dollars a year for a studio. Instead of asking, ďMe?Ē....go out and build a fan base like they did.....generate millions for your company. We make our own beds.

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I stopped listening to the Clowns in front of the camera, decades ago....but the % of people actually listening is disturbing....


Donít be jealous of their influence just because you donít have any - go out and build your own! You call them clowns because of their political affiliation....and their profession.....does your bigotry ever end? Good lord.



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pops42 - 2/8/2019 at 09:08 PM

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So, a former waitress is now a climate change expert? I am learning alot about politics following her. She still doesnt know where the bathrooms are yet she is front and center on a climate bill? I always assumed that one had to know something about a topic before they sit down to regulate it. This is frightening.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Unveils Landmark Green New Deal Resolution


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal_us_5c588e 7fe4b09293b20730d7

Maybe she did her homework, became informed, and understands the real consequences right now. Unlike the sad trump-tard who will deny hard facts, because il dipsh!t says it's a hoax.


BIGV - 2/8/2019 at 09:47 PM

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Maybe she did her homework, became informed, and understands the real consequences right now.


This woman only opens her mouth to change feet; have you listened to her speak?...OMG A ten year old in an adults body. I find it very unlikely she commands the respect of any of her colleagues who have actually given her the time of day.

So in reference to the statement above, I doubt this is the case.


porkchopbob - 2/8/2019 at 10:10 PM

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This woman only opens her mouth to change feet; have you listened to her speak?...OMG A ten year old in an adults body. I find it very unlikely she commands the respect of any of her colleagues who have actually given her the time of day.


This is incredibly dismissive of a smart, well-spoken young woman. It is an accurate description of our President, however.


2112 - 2/8/2019 at 10:29 PM

Funny how the right wIngers like to complain when liberals from Hollywood have an opinion, yet those same people are quick to share an open letter by Charlie Daniels or Ted Nugent right here on this forum. They might have even applauded Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair pretending it was Obama. And certainly some made a big deal about a Kardasian meeting with Trump to talk about some issue or another, or Kanye West or Dennis Rodman expressing their love of Trump while wearing a red hat.


pops42 - 2/8/2019 at 10:44 PM

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Maybe she did her homework, became informed, and understands the real consequences right now.


This woman only opens her mouth to change feet; have you listened to her speak?...OMG A ten year old in an adults body. I find it very unlikely she commands the respect of any of her colleagues who have actually given her the time of day.

So in reference to the statement above, I doubt this is the case.
So you respect the intellect of the orange blob of blubber who speaks like a lying, spoiled 10 year old, over somebody who can easily take him to school on many levels?.


BIGV - 2/8/2019 at 11:27 PM

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Maybe she did her homework, became informed, and understands the real consequences right now.


This woman only opens her mouth to change feet; have you listened to her speak?...OMG A ten year old in an adults body. I find it very unlikely she commands the respect of any of her colleagues who have actually given her the time of day.

So in reference to the statement above, I doubt this is the case.
So you respect the intellect of the orange blob of blubber who speaks like a lying, spoiled 10 year old, over somebody who can easily take him to school on many levels?.


I will patiently stand by while you show me the quote where I have said that.



pops42 - 2/8/2019 at 11:49 PM

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Maybe she did her homework, became informed, and understands the real consequences right now.


This woman only opens her mouth to change feet; have you listened to her speak?...OMG A ten year old in an adults body. I find it very unlikely she commands the respect of any of her colleagues who have actually given her the time of day.

So in reference to the statement above, I doubt this is the case.
So you respect the intellect of the orange blob of blubber who speaks like a lying, spoiled 10 year old, over somebody who can easily take him to school on many levels?.


I will patiently stand by while you show me the quote where I have said that.



I dont see you talking the same about orange lard, as you do about A O C???. She is someone with more class, dignity, and intellect, and she doesn't bow down to a sworn enemy of the USA.

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MartinD28 - 2/9/2019 at 12:21 AM

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Maybe she did her homework, became informed, and understands the real consequences right now.


This woman only opens her mouth to change feet; have you listened to her speak?...OMG A ten year old in an adults body. I find it very unlikely she commands the respect of any of her colleagues who have actually given her the time of day.

So in reference to the statement above, I doubt this is the case.


Is that it, or is it that her views run contrary to yours? I've listened to her speak, and there is enough substance in what she says. Compared to Trump, who you don't seem to have a problem with, she does not speak at the surface level of issues. What is your opinion of the depth of Trump's understanding of detail?


BoytonBrother - 2/9/2019 at 12:24 AM

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This woman only opens her mouth to change feet; have you listened to her speak?...OMG A ten year old in an adults body. I find it very unlikely she commands the respect of any of her colleagues who have actually given her the time of day.


You are one low-rent, no shame individual. You attack political affiliation, profession, and now a womanís physical characteristics. Get off this site with your trash.

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Sang - 2/9/2019 at 01:16 AM

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So, a former waitress is now a climate change expert?


Yes! And this "Genius" has stated the world is going to end in 12 years!


And here is where she got that -

Her comments are in reference to a United Nations-backed climate report, published late last year, that determined the effects of climate change to be irreversible and unavoidable if carbon emissions are not reined in over the next 12 years.

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/426353-ocasio-cortez-the-worl d-will-end-in-12-years-if-we-dont-address


Itís a reasonable take if youíre aware of the 12-year mark outlined in the 2018 UN ďSpecial Report on Global warming of 1.5ļC,Ē released in October. It mentions the year 2030 ó 12 years from now ó as the point of no return, if we keep on our current path. Itís mentioned 35 times in the report in varying applications.

According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, we only have a time frame of a dozen years to keep global warming at a maximum of 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) over preindustrial levels.

Limiting global warming to 1.5 compared with 2 will reduce the impacts weíre likely to see on ecosystems and human health. According to the UN:

ďThe report finds that limiting global warming to 1.5ļC would require Ďrapid and far-reachingí transitions in land, energy, industry, buildings, transport, and cities. Global net human-caused emissions of carbon dioxide, would need to fall by about 45 percent from 2010 levels by 2030, reaching Ďnet zeroí around 2050.Ē

https://www.inverse.com/article/52659-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-climate-chan ge



I'll take scientists word over the denial crowd anyday........


BIGV - 2/9/2019 at 01:34 AM

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Her comments are in reference to a United Nations-backed climate report, published late last year, that determined the effects of climate change to be irreversible and unavoidable if carbon emissions are not reined in over the next 12 years.


She is about as credible as the President....


BIGV - 2/9/2019 at 01:37 AM

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I've listened to her speak, and there is enough substance in what she says.


On this point we will never agree....Absolutely no way

Enjoy the day


BIGV - 2/9/2019 at 01:56 AM

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This woman only opens her mouth to change feet; have you listened to her speak?...OMG A ten year old in an adults body. I find it very unlikely she commands the respect of any of her colleagues who have actually given her the time of day.


You are one low-rent, no shame individual. You attack political affiliation, profession, and now a womanís physical characteristics. Get off this site with your trash.

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pops42 - 2/9/2019 at 02:16 AM

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Her comments are in reference to a United Nations-backed climate report, published late last year, that determined the effects of climate change to be irreversible and unavoidable if carbon emissions are not reined in over the next 12 years.


She is about as credible as the President....
So is climate change a hoax, like the orange blob says?.


OriginalGoober - 2/9/2019 at 02:38 AM

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We could use a thread on the details of the Green New Deal, assuming we are capable still of talking to each other about things we might disagree without name calling, but this thread clearly isn't it.


I am sure you will not be happy with the details. Arent you a mechanic? You had better learn to work on electric cars. AOC and the green party want to do away with the internal combustion engine thru severe restrictions on fossil fuels and hydrocarbon limits.


BrerRabbit - 2/9/2019 at 04:27 AM

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Funny how the right wIngers like to complain when liberals from Hollywood have an opinion, yet those same people are quick to share an open letter by Charlie Daniels or Ted Nugent right here on this forum. They might have even applauded Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair pretending it was Obama. And certainly some made a big deal about a Kardasian meeting with Trump to talk about some issue or another, or Kanye West or Dennis Rodman expressing their love of Trump while wearing a red hat.


Hell, more than applaud! They elected a movie star in 1980 and a reality TV star in 2016! They would probably elect Ted Nugent.


porkchopbob - 2/9/2019 at 02:33 PM

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I've listened to her speak, and there is enough substance in what she says.


On this point we will never agree....Absolutely no way

Enjoy the day


Challenge: Name a female politician you do like.


nebish - 2/9/2019 at 03:53 PM

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We could use a thread on the details of the Green New Deal, assuming we are capable still of talking to each other about things we might disagree without name calling, but this thread clearly isn't it.


I am sure you will not be happy with the details. Arent you a mechanic? You had better learn to work on electric cars. AOC and the green party want to do away with the internal combustion engine thru severe restrictions on fossil fuels and hydrocarbon limits.


I think there are some really unrealistic and objectionable ideas in the proposal, but I don't reject it off-hand.

I may own an EV someday. I can say that I will not own an autonomous vehicle, but could maybe, someday buy an EV. Ofcourse I have every intention of keeping all my old Jeeps until the day I die and hope that fuel will always be available for them. Working on an EV isn't necessarily any different than conventional vehicles once you are familiar. There are so many electronics on modern combustion engine vehicles that you can't hardly do anything without an array of scanners and computer plug-in devices to communicate with the car now.

And I don't have any problem going to more renewable energy sources, BUT, the means of producing the solar power and the wind and whatever else, those things MUST be made here to maximize the economic effect.

But I love the affordability and dependability of fossil fuels - I think those need to play a role in our energy portfolio for keeping prices down and for exporting. I am not in fear of dying from climate change. At the same time that does not mean I am not open to some of the ideas AOC or other Green New Deal advocates put forth. Clearly there are things I would never sign onto, but if people can open their minds a little bit then there are things that regular common people should be able to agree on...without corporate interests or fossil and green special lobbying groups pulling the strings. If anyone says "my way or the highway" then all we will get is fighting.

Probably the hardest thing I have picturing is how industrial equipment that uses diesel fuel would transition. The commuting public, going to work, going on vacation, going to a concert, I can actually picture how some of that could be vastly different 10-20 years from now. But the earth moving machines, the heavy trucks that haul, the ships, the planes...those things I can't see evolving all that much.

More than eliminating the combustion engine, I would be most concerned that environmental activists would close more public lands to motorized recreation. I can take an EV of some sort into our National Forests and BLM lands...as long as they are open. Closing and restricting access to me is more of a threat than ceasing production of the good old 2 and 4 stroke engines. That is a never-ending fight as well. Public lands for public use to include motorized recreation!!


BrerRabbit - 2/9/2019 at 04:33 PM

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Challenge: Name a female politician you do like.


Try "Name a female you like". It would interesting to hear folks' answers.

This question deserves its own thread. It would be a short thread tho - direct questions that cut to the point and spotlight motive don't get answered around here.

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BoytonBrother - 2/9/2019 at 05:25 PM

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Try "Name a female you like". It would interesting to hear folks' answers.


They will say, ďDana Loesche, Tomi Lahren, Roseanne.Ē

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This question deserves its own thread. It would be a short thread tho - direct questions that cut to the point and spotlight motive don't get answered around here.


Exactly. This is a discussion forum, therefore those who donít answer direct questions are clearly here to troll. The post and run folks are cowards - it should be easy to respond to a question, having all the time you need to craft a response.


MartinD28 - 2/9/2019 at 06:35 PM

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Try "Name a female you like". It would interesting to hear folks' answers.


They will say, ďDana Loesche, Tomi Lahren, Roseanne.Ē

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This question deserves its own thread. It would be a short thread tho - direct questions that cut to the point and spotlight motive don't get answered around here.


Exactly. This is a discussion forum, therefore those who donít answer direct questions are clearly here to troll. The post and run folks are cowards - it should be easy to respond to a question, having all the time you need to craft a response.




They will also say Jan Brewer and Cindy Hyde-Smith.


BrerRabbit - 2/9/2019 at 07:31 PM

And Wilma Flintstone and Betty Rubble.


BoytonBrother - 2/9/2019 at 08:07 PM

Laura Ingrahm.


BIGV - 2/10/2019 at 01:25 AM

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Challenge: Name a female politician you do like.


I have an immense amount of respect for all 3 Ladies, Sotomayer, Kagan & Ginsburg, all 3 of whom have a tendency to lean to the left. All are qualified by virtue of their records and ethics, perhaps some of the women in Congress and the Senate could learn a thing or two from these distinguished and accomplished souls.


porkchopbob - 2/10/2019 at 03:23 PM

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Challenge: Name a female politician you do like.


I have an immense amount of respect for all 3 Ladies, Sotomayer, Kagan & Ginsburg, all 3 of whom have a tendency to lean to the left. All are qualified by virtue of their records and ethics, perhaps some of the women in Congress and the Senate could learn a thing or two from these distinguished and accomplished souls.

It was a rhetorical question, but thanks for proving me right with your paternalistic, condescending answer anyways.


BIGV - 2/10/2019 at 04:10 PM

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Challenge: Name a female politician you do like.


I have an immense amount of respect for all 3 Ladies, Sotomayer, Kagan & Ginsburg, all 3 of whom have a tendency to lean to the left. All are qualified by virtue of their records and ethics, perhaps some of the women in Congress and the Senate could learn a thing or two from these distinguished and accomplished souls.

It was a rhetorical question, but thanks for proving me right with your paternalistic, condescending answer anyways.


Absolutely no condescension intended...And based on the sarcasm from preceding posts I mistakenly took that as a sincere inquiry.

My most humble apology.


BrerRabbit - 2/10/2019 at 04:44 PM

Seemed like a solid answer to me . I was waiting for our resident misogynist OP to chime in with a dirty joke, like he does any time females come up.


porkchopbob - 2/10/2019 at 04:51 PM

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Absolutely no condescension intended...And based on the sarcasm from preceding posts I mistakenly took that as a sincere inquiry.

My most humble apology.

Not sure how dismissing the women of Congress and the Senate isn't condescending but ok. It's all good, your answer was as I expected.


BoytonBrother - 2/10/2019 at 06:28 PM

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Not sure how dismissing the women of Congress and the Senate isn't condescending but ok.


I would truly enjoy hearing your discussion with him on this topic, but I'm betting his has no idea how to respond, and will bail entirely on this discussion, as he usually does when owned and exposed.


BIGV - 2/10/2019 at 07:24 PM

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Absolutely no condescension intended...And based on the sarcasm from preceding posts I mistakenly took that as a sincere inquiry.

My most humble apology.

Not sure how dismissing the women of Congress and the Senate isn't condescending but ok. It's all good, your answer was as I expected.


Well, do a quick contrast of the 3 Judges I named above with the new Congressman Cortez and the new Senator from AZ, Ms. Sinema who can be seen being told to "watch her a**" when she stood and applauded in support of the President during his state of the Union and tell us how that in anyway is similar to the actions taken by the three extremely distinguished Ladies on the bench of the Supreme Court.


nebish - 2/11/2019 at 02:47 PM

I didn't see anything condescending or insulting about how BigV worded his answer. But we all interpret things differently, sometimes reputation precedes us and influences how people take things we say too.


BoytonBrother - 2/11/2019 at 03:18 PM

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I didn't see anything condescending or insulting about how BigV worded his answer. But we all interpret things differently, sometimes reputation precedes us and influences how people take things we say too.


Maybe so, but you gotta wonder about those who are bothered more by Cortez than our President being investigated for Russian collusion, obstruction of justice, and possibly serving at the behest of Russia, while trashing the entire American government he is supposed to serve, and throwing childish bullying temper trantrums on Twitter....not a peep about it.

In all honesty Nebish, Iím not making anything personal. That shared mentality of Goober, Muleman, BIGV, and millions of others, is the root of our differences, and I truly wish to hear them explain why they hate fellow Americans of a different political affiliation than theirs, more than the severe problems we have with our leader. Who cares about a wall when our President could be working for Putin! People who dismiss this are a danger to our society. And why do they dismiss it? Because he bullies liberals. Itís pure cancer to our society.

And why do Goober, Mule, and BIGV hate liberals so much that they welcome a traitor to lead the United States? Because liberals hurt their feelings when they started calling out bigotry. Thereís never a retort that makes a point, just ďbut you do it too, so why canít I?Ē Itís no different than hating the girl who rejected you and hating the guy she chose instead. We have a President teaching this juvenile mentality, as we see on this board. Thatís a huge problem.


porkchopbob - 2/11/2019 at 03:25 PM

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I didn't see anything condescending or insulting about how BigV worded his answer. But we all interpret things differently, sometimes reputation precedes us and influences how people take things we say too.


"perhaps some of the women in Congress and the Senate could learn a thing or two"

nebish, that's a broad condescending statement towards of a large, diverse group of smart, capable female politicians. No one said anything about "insulting", but it was indeed not surprising. The fact is that unfortunately a lot of people still dismiss female politicians for reasons other than their opinions.


nebish - 2/11/2019 at 04:37 PM

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I didn't see anything condescending or insulting about how BigV worded his answer. But we all interpret things differently, sometimes reputation precedes us and influences how people take things we say too.


"perhaps some of the women in Congress and the Senate could learn a thing or two"

nebish, that's a broad condescending statement towards of a large, diverse group of smart, capable female politicians. No one said anything about "insulting", but it was indeed not surprising. The fact is that unfortunately a lot of people still dismiss female politicians for reasons other than their opinions.


I took the word some in his statement, to refer to a select few that have been referred to before. Had I believed he was disparaging all woman of Congress, or simply "the" woman of Congress I would've had a different feeling upon reading it.


nebish - 2/11/2019 at 04:57 PM

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I didn't see anything condescending or insulting about how BigV worded his answer. But we all interpret things differently, sometimes reputation precedes us and influences how people take things we say too.


Maybe so, but you gotta wonder about those who are bothered more by Cortez than our President being investigated for Russian collusion, obstruction of justice, and possibly serving at the behest of Russia, while trashing the entire American government he is supposed to serve, and throwing childish bullying temper trantrums on Twitter....not a peep about it.

In all honesty Nebish, Iím not making anything personal. That shared mentality of Goober, Muleman, BIGV, and millions of others, is the root of our differences, and I truly wish to hear them explain why they hate fellow Americans of a different political affiliation than theirs, more than the severe problems we have with our leader. Who cares about a wall when our President could be working for Putin! People who dismiss this are a danger to our society. And why do they dismiss it? Because he bullies liberals. Itís pure cancer to our society.

And why do Goober, Mule, and BIGV hate liberals so much that they welcome a traitor to lead the United States? Because liberals hurt their feelings when they started calling out bigotry. Thereís never a retort that makes a point, just ďbut you do it too, so why canít I?Ē Itís no different than hating the girl who rejected you and hating the guy she chose instead. We have a President teaching this juvenile mentality, as we see on this board. Thatís a huge problem.


Only speaking for myself...many things about Trump bother me, some do not. Some things about AOC bother me, some do not. So I don't pass judgement on a person for a specific thing, but remain open and free to agree with people some of the time and disagree with those same people some of the time. No doubt, we are in trouble here with our society and no doubt Trump has made that worse. That does not mean that I will stand to oppose every thing about him and his Administration. But the name calling, the ignorance, the division, the "I'm always right" mentality, that is Trump at his worst and I won't defend it, even though I don't necessarily post in opposition to it all the time doesn't mean that I am then affirming it either. But there are alot of people who do support that behavior, I know, I have a couple friends who do. I am not going to let that ruin my relationship with these friends because I have so many other positive things with these people, but I don't think they should be supporting the President in this way. When we talk rationally, I find that people (alteast the ones I interact with) become much less blind in their support of Trump. Maybe that is because they respect me as a friend and if I have a different opinion, they will question or soften their stance in my presence.

It's why words on twitter or a comments section on a news site or facebook are all so bad because people just throw things out without considering there is more than one side to a story and more than one valid opinion on a given topic and it fans the flames. Some people, not all people, but some people become disarmed through personal engagement and rational talk. But for many, they want positive reinforcement on their beliefs and they surround themselves with only things that agree with them, so they become incapable of having a discussion on anything and they resort to name calling or fighting. I seek and enjoy opinions that are different than mine. I used to only read and listen to things coming from the right 15 or so years ago. Now I almost can't stand it and see through it, but I also take things I hear from left leaning sources with a grain of salt and try to balance something that makes sense to me and I think I am very capable of having a productive conversation with anyone on the left or the right...so long as they too are willing to try and also be productive.

So anyone, Mule, Goober, anyone...the only thing we can think of people we don't know is how they represent themselves through their words on a place like this. If they don't want to open up and really get into the details about why they feel a certain way and we think of them in a negative light, that isn't our fault, that is their fault.

We atleast all have one common interest...we love the music of the Allman Brothers Band. So in that sense we should all be friends (I never liked the family reference). And friends and familes don't always get along, but they should try. America is one big family. We can't all get along on everything and sometimes we are going to disagree on much more than we agree, but we are Americans and we have to figure out how to get along together or else we are finished. Too bad we are going the wrong direction....and yes, I know, Trump has made this worse and I voted for him. It's one vote in my life, what can I do, at the time given my choices that is the one that made the most sense to me, overall. There was good and bad. No candidate is perfect, no decision is perfect. I'm just another flawed human trying to figure things out. Sometimes I fail like we all do sometimes.


BoytonBrother - 2/11/2019 at 06:19 PM

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So anyone, Mule, Goober, anyone...the only thing we can think of people we don't know is how they represent themselves through their words on a place like this. If they don't want to open up and really get into the details about why they feel a certain way and we think of them in a negative light, that isn't our fault, that is their fault.


I agree 100% with this. And this is the root of my issues with those members...I can take bigoted remarks, but at least man-up and discuss them when asked directly. Not that anyone cares, but if you go back and read the threads, people will see me asking Mule, Goober, and BIGV many many direct questions about their comments, and get nothing. I never understood that on a discussion forum. Answer the questions, engage, discuss.....rather than post an inflammatory remark and bail. I may be a lot of things, but Iíll always answer any question that I see about my posts.


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