Thread: State of the Union Address TUESDAY February 5th

gina - 2/1/2019 at 09:22 PM

Yes it will happen this Tuesday. As I mentioned in the one of the shutdown threads he has already warned he may invoke the National Emergency Declaration and he has said we should listen very carefully to the message.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/428064-trump-good-chance-i-will -declare-emergency-to-build-wall

"The president suggested he may reveal more details about his plan to build the wall in Tuesday's State of the Union address, saying people should “listen closely” to the speech."


REMARKS:
Just giving you the heads up on when the speech is, and perhaps those who did not intend to listen, should since he is telling us we should "listen closely", it seems quite serious.


piacere - 2/2/2019 at 06:14 PM

quote:
Yes it will happen this Tuesday. As I mentioned in the one of the shutdown threads he has already warned he may invoke the National Emergency Declaration and he has said we should listen very carefully to the message.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/428064-trump-good-chance-i-will -declare-emergency-to-build-wall

"The president suggested he may reveal more details about his plan to build the wall in Tuesday's State of the Union address, saying people should “listen closely” to the speech."


REMARKS:
Just giving you the heads up on when the speech is, and perhaps those who did not intend to listen, should since he is telling us we should "listen closely", it seems quite serious.


Thanks for the heads up but if I want to watch and listen to an orangutan demand center stage and act like well, an orangutan, I'll go to the zoo.


BrerRabbit - 2/2/2019 at 06:18 PM

I would sooner listen to a homeless person raving in a doorway.


gina - 2/4/2019 at 08:11 PM

Most believe and he has hinted he will declare a National Emergency. With the deployment of more troops to the border, 3 caravans including one large one 12,000 people coming, this is NOT a trivial issue.

I do think though Speaker Pelosi may have a valid point, that there should be more LEGAL ports of entry for those who legitamately want to come to build a better life for themselves. Many may have transferable skills and could work on helping to build actual communities, dig solar powered wells to irrigate desert scrub-type land, develop irrigation, use their farming skills, or work on some of the pipelines and even helping to build the wind power energy projects that are going to be built. People who know how to work with land, can work in construction, landscaping, real estate construction development. They just need some additional training.


allmanned - 2/5/2019 at 03:35 PM

The dems have teamed up with the boogerman and only DONALD TRUMP CAN SAVE US.


OriginalGoober - 2/6/2019 at 03:35 AM

Great speech!


OriginalGoober - 2/6/2019 at 03:44 AM

Terrible rebuttal. Just reading a script


BoytonBrother - 2/6/2019 at 03:55 AM

Deep Thoughts.....by OriginalGoober. Time to put this in the “no one cares” file.


OriginalGoober - 2/6/2019 at 03:56 AM

Way too long and grim.


piacere - 2/6/2019 at 12:29 PM

quote:
Way too long and grim.


That's what she said...


MartinD28 - 2/6/2019 at 01:33 PM

Most ridiculous line of the speech follows:

"An economic miracle is taking place in the United States -- and the only thing that can stop it are foolish wars, politics or ridiculous partisan investigations. If there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation. It just doesn't work that way!"


crazyjoe - 2/6/2019 at 03:21 PM

I am pretty sure that I don't laugh nearly enough anymore, so when I got home from work late last evening and watched the highlights and read a little bit, it felt good to get a few chuckles, both at the idiotic and redundant spiel by Trump and by Pelosi's reactions and helping him look even more foolish ..........Peace............


sckeys - 2/6/2019 at 03:23 PM

im sure glad that he saved us from that war with nkorea.
I noticed the cheers from republicans over his crime reform when they were the ones who pushed the "tough on crime" stance that started the mess. Thats all we heard in the 80s. Its the same when he trashes NAFTA. Its safe to say now that the party of Reagan is history.


2112 - 2/6/2019 at 03:32 PM

quote:
Most ridiculous line of the speech follows:

"An economic miracle is taking place in the United States -- and the only thing that can stop it are foolish wars, politics or ridiculous partisan investigations. If there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation. It just doesn't work that way!"




Nixon said the same thing in his SOTU address about Watergate. Not sure who he was talking to, but the chance of investigations stopping are zero.


crazyjoe - 2/6/2019 at 03:34 PM

quote:

REMARKS:
Just giving you the heads up on when the speech is, and perhaps those who did not intend to listen, should since he is telling us we should "listen closely", it seems quite serious.


It is very serious Gina, his fat, orange, fraudulent, embezzling treasonous ass is in very real jeopardy!!! As is our entire Democracy.
By the way has anyone noticed their tax returns are no larger than before (unless You are a large Corp.)? The National debt is sky rocketing!!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/10/16/government-spending -how-rising-federal-debt-deficit-impact-americans/1589889002/

'I trusted you!' Trump voters seethe after realizing they're getting screwed by the GOP's tax plan

http://flip.it/FqOxQv

I am hesitant to criticize or comment on someone's mannerisms, however it just seemed so phony, I figure he's fair game. Did it strike anyone that the strange way he was using his hands, but especially the way he was moving his head and body around, it seemed effeminate, insincere and just plain weird!!!???

[Edited on 2/6/2019 by crazyjoe]


Chain - 2/6/2019 at 07:28 PM

quote:
quote:

REMARKS:
Just giving you the heads up on when the speech is, and perhaps those who did not intend to listen, should since he is telling us we should "listen closely", it seems quite serious.


It is very serious Gina, his fat, orange, fraudulent, embezzling treasonous ass is in very real jeopardy!!! As is our entire Democracy.
By the way has anyone noticed their tax returns are no larger than before (unless You are a large Corp.)? The National debt is sky rocketing!!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/10/16/government-spending -how-rising-federal-debt-deficit-impact-americans/1589889002/

'I trusted you!' Trump voters seethe after realizing they're getting screwed by the GOP's tax plan

http://flip.it/FqOxQv

I am hesitant to criticize or comment on someone's mannerisms, however it just seemed so phony, I figure he's fair game. Did it strike anyone that the strange way he was using his hands, but especially the way he was moving his head and body around, it seemed effeminate, insincere and just plain weird!!!???

[Edited on 2/6/2019 by crazyjoe]


The Republican tax cut was farcical from the moment it was signed into law if one cared enough to really parse it....The whole "but we doubled the standard deduction" argument overshadowed the fact that they also ELIMINATED the individual deduction on top of limiting the amount allowed to be itemized. Combined these two actions made the chances of a larger than previous year/s return fairly limited for many people....

But hey, Trump can now leave his fortune (if he actually has one) to his heirs with little to no tax payment. Fred Trump would be proud as he had to break the law numerous times to make that happen for little Donnie and his siblings.

Oh, and corporations made out well....They bought back a sh#t ton of their stock and invested little of their tax savings into actual job creating investments.

All for another trillion dollars of debt in this year alone.....Extrapolate that out for a few years and it's mind boggling as to why some of the electorate continues to be conned by the so called fiscally conservative Republican party.


gina - 2/7/2019 at 12:12 AM

TEXT:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/05/politics/donald-trump-state-of-the-union-201 9-transcript/index.html


THE SPEECH

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sotu/


After the speech, Nancy Pelosi gave her reaction to it.

"FEBRUARY 6, 2019

Washington, D.C. – Speaker Nancy Pelosi issued this statement after President Trump delivered his State of the Union Address:

“Tonight, the President spoke about the honor of being in the House Chamber, and all the progress that has been achieved here. But at the same time, he threatened the United States Congress not to exercise its constitutional responsibility of oversight.

“It will take days to fact-check all the misrepresentations that the President made tonight. Instead of fear-mongering and manufacturing a crisis at the border, President Trump should commit to signing the bipartisan conference committee’s bill to keep government open and provide strong, smart border security solutions.

“Sadly, while talking about perceived threats to the safety of the American people, he completely ignored the gun violence epidemic that is claiming lives across the country.

“The President’s call for ending HIV transmission in America is interesting, but if he is serious about ending the HIV/AIDS crisis, he must end his assault on health care and the dignity of the LGBTQ community.

“With the complicity of the GOP Congress over the last two years, President Trump failed the middle class by trying to take away Americans’ health care and enriching the wealthiest 1 percent. The state of the American middle class has been weakened by President Trump’s special interest first agenda.

“The President said that he wanted to work to lower prescription drug prices and build America’s infrastructure. Thus far, the President has not put forward any real proposals. Now, with a new House Democratic Majority working For The People, the President has an opportunity to join us to deliver real progress in lowering the price of prescription drugs and making the bold investments needed to rebuild America’s infrastructure in a green and modern way.

“President Trump must now take concrete steps to work with Democrats to strengthen the health and economic security of families across America. After two years of the President’s empty words, the American people deserve real results.”

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/2519-2/

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/nancy-pelosis-reactions-trump-stolen-state- union-spotlight-111441844.html


REMARKS: This is why she was making notes during the speech and reading the text. She wanted to rip him apart as soon afterwards as possible, but I watched her facial expressions. I think she secretly has feelings for him and she cannot accept them or work them out. Perhaps he reminds her of someone she has known who was un-kind to her. It is more than being pissed off of feeling upstaged by his powerful role. There is something behind this. I think Melania should have lunches with her and try to get to the bottom of it. The Congress cannot move forward with her deep seated vehemence, which seems personal, though that is not possible. She did not know him prior to his role as a President, yet she would like to rip him to shreds and even the clapping, it was almost like some hypocrisy demonstration because she was not clapping in respect for him.

If Ms. Pelosi was abused at some point and Trump reminds her of her abuser that could explain the utter disdain she has for him. Trump does not even try to humiliate her as he has other opponents. He seems to sense something is very wrong. We know how he battled with Hillary and they had their disagreements but that was policy based and everyone knew it. With Ms. Pelosi something else is going on, in my opinion.

Even prior instances when he offerred revisions to his wall legislation, she would respond with "I will not give you one dime". It is PERSONAL for her. It is almost like a disgruntled divorced woman wanting to rake her husband over the coals.

Look at her arguments.

1."Sadly, while talking about perceived threats to the safety of the American people, he completely ignored the gun violence epidemic that is claiming lives across the country."

What PERCEIVED threats, he had actual people who were murdered by illegals who came into this country, that is not PERCEIVED, it is an actual event and there are many of them.


2. It would take days to fact check everything he said, if there is any reports of differences in statistics, she will be the first to to crucify him for that.
"President Trump should commit to signing the bipartisan conference committee’s bill to keep government open and provide strong, smart border security solutions."

What SMART BORDER SECURITY SOLUTIONS has she suggested that he should look into? He compromised and agreed to the metal fence rather than the concrete wall. So what is she talking about. How about some examples, she did not provide any.


3. "“The President’s call for ending HIV transmission in America is interesting, but if he is serious about ending the HIV/AIDS crisis, he must end his assault on health care and the dignity of the LGBTQ community."

What ASSAULT is there on the LGBTQ community? What is she referring to? Any examples? No of course not.


4. Everyone agrees there is a health care crisis.

5.“The President said that he wanted to work to lower prescription drug prices and build America’s infrastructure. Thus far, the President has not put forward any real proposals."
What about Congress, can NONE of the bright minds there come up with any legislation? WHY NOT. Can she come up with any legislation? If Not, WHY NOT?












[Edited on 2/7/2019 by gina]


BrerRabbit - 2/7/2019 at 12:37 AM

quote:
I think she secretly has feelings for him


Are you jealous? CAT FIGHT!


gina - 2/7/2019 at 12:54 AM

No I just recognize she gave him no credit at all for any of the things he has accomplished she just keeps trying to show him as inadequate, I think because she feels that way about herself and is insecure. When people keep attacking other people they have problems within themselves.

If she wants to discuss a policy or idea he has that she disagrees with, she could counter it with specifics on how she would solve that problem, but she does not do that. She just denigrates him and as I said it seems personal.


sckeys - 2/7/2019 at 01:06 AM

quote:
No When people keep attacking other people they have problems within themselves.

[/quot This is an interesting point from a Trump supporter.


gina - 2/7/2019 at 11:23 PM

There has been a lot of press written about the hand clapping she gave Trump. As you will remember it was not a standard normal clap, then the Congress followed her lead and did it. I think they thought they were just supposed to follow what she did, but she had that smirk, that snarky look and her daughter commented on it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/428739-pelosis-daughter-reacts-to-moms-s otu-meme-that-clap-took-me-back-to-the-teen

#waybackwednesday - oh yes that clap took me back to the teen years. She knows. And she knows that you know. And frankly she’s disappointed that you thought this would work. But here’s a clap. #youtriedit

Mrs. Pelosi's daughter is also interested in Metoo politics.
Christine Pelosi
@sfpelosi
1h1 hour ago
More
#MeToo Politics, Congress Update: House offices have 60 DAYS to implement anti-harassment policies.

Have to wonder if Speaker Pelosi is involved with the #metoo movement. Most people agree with the principles of the movement, to not be silent if they have been abused, but 'metoo' means that person themselves was abused. Given that Ms. Pelosi's daughter is bringing up the Epstein matter on her twitter page, and people are trying to tie it to Trump, he needs to be aware of this clandestine ambush.

Christine Pelosi
@sfpelosi
21h21 hours ago
More Christine Pelosi Retweeted Christine Pelosi

#SOTU Sex Trafficking UPDATE —> The Department of Justice WILL re-open the case of Trump pal Epstein, including the conduct of lawyers such as his HHS Secretary. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/doj-watchdog-wants-to-prob e-labor-secretarys-role-in-abuse-deal?utm_campaign=2019-01-29T21%3A48%3A42& amp;utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=lawdesk

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime--law/fight-reopen-teen-sex-case-ag ainst-jeff-epstein-may-set-precedent/hxt8lQgkABEc59vrbz8teK/


Nancy Pelosi has a twitter account #followthefacts, as well as Team Pelosi,


https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-daughter-clap-donald-trump-1320680

“Tonight, the president spoke about the honor of being in the House chamber and all the progress that has been achieved here,” she said. “But at the same time, he threatened the United States Congress not to exercise its constitutional responsibility of oversight. It will take days to fact-check all the misrepresentations that the president made tonight.”


REMARKS: So Speaker Pelosi will devote her time, spending days to "fact check" and point out anything she can find that can be refuted in his speech. Why doesn't she try to work towards changing things rather than just trying to denigrate the President? What fuels her anger and rage? Why does she want to lash out at him? Is it because he is safe, convenient, and she can't fight back against whoever caused her rage in the first place?





[Edited on 2/7/2019 by gina]


nebish - 2/8/2019 at 01:23 PM

quote:
Most ridiculous line of the speech follows:

"An economic miracle is taking place in the United States -- and the only thing that can stop it are foolish wars, politics or ridiculous partisan investigations. If there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation. It just doesn't work that way!"




What a foolish thing to put into n the speech. It was actually a pretty good speech, less contentious then I remember his first. But just a couple sour lines kind of spoils the thing.


2112 - 2/8/2019 at 11:17 PM

quote:
There has been a lot of press written about the hand clapping she gave Trump. As you will remember it was not a standard normal clap, then the Congress followed her lead and did it. I think they thought they were just supposed to follow what she did, but she had that smirk, that snarky look and her daughter commented on it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/428739-pelosis-daughter-reacts-to-moms-s otu-meme-that-clap-took-me-back-to-the-teen

#waybackwednesday - oh yes that clap took me back to the teen years. She knows. And she knows that you know. And frankly she’s disappointed that you thought this would work. But here’s a clap. #youtriedit

Mrs. Pelosi's daughter is also interested in Metoo politics.
Christine Pelosi
@sfpelosi
1h1 hour ago
More
#MeToo Politics, Congress Update: House offices have 60 DAYS to implement anti-harassment policies.

Have to wonder if Speaker Pelosi is involved with the #metoo movement. Most people agree with the principles of the movement, to not be silent if they have been abused, but 'metoo' means that person themselves was abused. Given that Ms. Pelosi's daughter is bringing up the Epstein matter on her twitter page, and people are trying to tie it to Trump, he needs to be aware of this clandestine ambush.

Christine Pelosi
@sfpelosi
21h21 hours ago
More Christine Pelosi Retweeted Christine Pelosi

#SOTU Sex Trafficking UPDATE —> The Department of Justice WILL re-open the case of Trump pal Epstein, including the conduct of lawyers such as his HHS Secretary. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/doj-watchdog-wants-to-prob e-labor-secretarys-role-in-abuse-deal?utm_campaign=2019-01-29T21%3A48%3A42& amp;utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=lawdesk

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime--law/fight-reopen-teen-sex-case-ag ainst-jeff-epstein-may-set-precedent/hxt8lQgkABEc59vrbz8teK/


Nancy Pelosi has a twitter account #followthefacts, as well as Team Pelosi,


https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-daughter-clap-donald-trump-1320680

“Tonight, the president spoke about the honor of being in the House chamber and all the progress that has been achieved here,” she said. “But at the same time, he threatened the United States Congress not to exercise its constitutional responsibility of oversight. It will take days to fact-check all the misrepresentations that the president made tonight.”


REMARKS: So Speaker Pelosi will devote her time, spending days to "fact check" and point out anything she can find that can be refuted in his speech. Why doesn't she try to work towards changing things rather than just trying to denigrate the President? What fuels her anger and rage? Why does she want to lash out at him? Is it because he is safe, convenient, and she can't fight back against whoever caused her rage in the first place?

[Edited on 2/7/2019 by gina]


I'm always amused reading comments like this. As if Trump doesn't use every opportunity possible to bash Democrats and give childish nicknames to his rivals. Yet somehow Trump is a victim and nobody is treating him fairly. The mindset of ANYBODY who thinks Donald Trump is some kind of a victim I'll never understand.


MartinD28 - 2/9/2019 at 12:27 AM

quote:
quote:
There has been a lot of press written about the hand clapping she gave Trump. As you will remember it was not a standard normal clap, then the Congress followed her lead and did it. I think they thought they were just supposed to follow what she did, but she had that smirk, that snarky look and her daughter commented on it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/428739-pelosis-daughter-reacts-to-moms-s otu-meme-that-clap-took-me-back-to-the-teen

#waybackwednesday - oh yes that clap took me back to the teen years. She knows. And she knows that you know. And frankly she’s disappointed that you thought this would work. But here’s a clap. #youtriedit

Mrs. Pelosi's daughter is also interested in Metoo politics.
Christine Pelosi
@sfpelosi
1h1 hour ago
More
#MeToo Politics, Congress Update: House offices have 60 DAYS to implement anti-harassment policies.

Have to wonder if Speaker Pelosi is involved with the #metoo movement. Most people agree with the principles of the movement, to not be silent if they have been abused, but 'metoo' means that person themselves was abused. Given that Ms. Pelosi's daughter is bringing up the Epstein matter on her twitter page, and people are trying to tie it to Trump, he needs to be aware of this clandestine ambush.

Christine Pelosi
@sfpelosi
21h21 hours ago
More Christine Pelosi Retweeted Christine Pelosi

#SOTU Sex Trafficking UPDATE —> The Department of Justice WILL re-open the case of Trump pal Epstein, including the conduct of lawyers such as his HHS Secretary. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/doj-watchdog-wants-to-prob e-labor-secretarys-role-in-abuse-deal?utm_campaign=2019-01-29T21%3A48%3A42& amp;utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=lawdesk

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime--law/fight-reopen-teen-sex-case-ag ainst-jeff-epstein-may-set-precedent/hxt8lQgkABEc59vrbz8teK/


Nancy Pelosi has a twitter account #followthefacts, as well as Team Pelosi,


https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-daughter-clap-donald-trump-1320680

“Tonight, the president spoke about the honor of being in the House chamber and all the progress that has been achieved here,” she said. “But at the same time, he threatened the United States Congress not to exercise its constitutional responsibility of oversight. It will take days to fact-check all the misrepresentations that the president made tonight.”


REMARKS: So Speaker Pelosi will devote her time, spending days to "fact check" and point out anything she can find that can be refuted in his speech. Why doesn't she try to work towards changing things rather than just trying to denigrate the President? What fuels her anger and rage? Why does she want to lash out at him? Is it because he is safe, convenient, and she can't fight back against whoever caused her rage in the first place?

[Edited on 2/7/2019 by gina]


I'm always amused reading comments like this. As if Trump doesn't use every opportunity possible to bash Democrats and give childish nicknames to his rivals. Yet somehow Trump is a victim and nobody is treating him fairly. The mindset of ANYBODY who thinks Donald Trump is some kind of a victim I'll never understand.


Soap on a rope in Trump's future?


gina - 2/9/2019 at 07:36 PM

He will not back down on what he believes to be his mission, to make America great again. he has cited things he feels are keeping America from being great and he seeks to change them. He has worked on foreign trade, repealed Nafta and replaced it with a different plan, he has brought manufacturing jobs back to America, he took on tax reform and got new laws put in place, he has been dealing with the threat from North Korea and now has a working relationship for negotiation of non nuclear proliferation with Kim Jung Un, even Russian President, Vladimir Putin said last week that he is willing to work with Trump on non nuclear proliferation since Trump pulled out of the old treaty which he felt was not being followed. He is very adamant that abortions must stop, and has appointed 3 Supreme Court Judges who have this same belief, and psychics have said he will appoint a total of 5 judges to the Supreme Court so things may change quite dramatically in this country with regards to abortion. He is even willing to negotiate via the US envoy for peace in Afghanistan, and that is no small feat for anyone in the American administration.

I read Ms. Pelosi's background and she is extremely qualified for the position that she holds, she has earned it, I just think her time would be better spent coming up with counter legislation, such as drafting bills which is what Congressional members are supposed to be doing, rather than spending days trying to find factual errors in Trumps speech. She is like one of those school teachers who enjoys putting a big red F on top of somebody's paper and circling it. She is quick to point out tasks she expects him to complete that he did not address, ie. gun violence in this country. Maybe we should think of her as 'pitbull Pelosi' cause she won't let go and he is going to deal with her or be stopped in his tracks for anything he wants to accomplish.


pops42 - 2/10/2019 at 01:14 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/us/politics/fact-check-state-of-the-unio n.html


nebish - 2/10/2019 at 04:54 AM

quote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/us/politics/fact-check-state-of-th e-union.html

“We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs — something which almost everyone said was impossible to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started.”

This is false.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that since January 2017, when Mr. Trump took office, the economy has added 4.9 million jobs, including 454,000 jobs manufacturing jobs. Far from being “impossible,” that is closely comparable to the pace of job creation during some two-year periods during the Obama administration, and significantly slower than the pace of job creation in manufacturing in the 1990s.





If we include 13,000 for January 2019, 284,000 for 2018 and the revised up 207,000 for all of 2017, I get 504,000.

https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01042019.htm
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01052018.htm

I don't know where Trump got 600,000. I do trust the BLS data and from what I read on their releases linked above, seems NYT is understating a little, we could be looking at different revisions of the same period, but that is not the point.

The reason I am posting, NYT should be comparing the last two years of Obama to first two years of Trump because that was the economy he inherited.

We know that Trump inherited an expanding economy. And we know that job gains overall when Obama left office were in the same ballpark as the Trump annual job gains, overall.

HOWEVER. not in manufacturing. This from BLS:


https://www.bls.gov/ces/highlights012018.pdf


https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf

Those screenshots will expire in 14 days, but the links will take you to the charts. The number of jobs on the bars don't match in the two charts because BLS revises the monthly data a few times after it is released, but the trajectory of the numbers is what matters here.

What caused manufacturing jobs to LOSE 7,000 net in 2016 and only gain 69,000 jobs in 2015, for a net two-year gain of just 62,000?

Trump may've inherited a growing economy in 2017, but not so in the manufacturing sector and we can see the jobs gained 2017-18 of 504,000 my BLS numbers or 454,000 NYT BLS numbers over the last 2 years, that is like an 8x improvement.

However you look at those 4 years, 15-16 under Obama and 17-18 under Trump that is a very dramatic improvement!

Charts, whatever; statistics, make them say anything...sure.

I can't say for sure what is responsible for this dramatic increase. I don't expect anyone who never gives Trump any credit for anything to give him credit for this either. But everyone can see the numbers. They are what they are...something has to be responsible for it.


[Edited on 2/10/2019 by nebish]


pops42 - 2/10/2019 at 08:53 PM

quote:
quote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/us/politics/fact-check-state -of-the-union.html

“We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs — something which almost everyone said was impossible to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started.”

This is false.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that since January 2017, when Mr. Trump took office, the economy has added 4.9 million jobs, including 454,000 jobs manufacturing jobs. Far from being “impossible,” that is closely comparable to the pace of job creation during some two-year periods during the Obama administration, and significantly slower than the pace of job creation in manufacturing in the 1990s.





If we include 13,000 for January 2019, 284,000 for 2018 and the revised up 207,000 for all of 2017, I get 504,000.

https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01042019.htm
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01052018.htm

I don't know where Trump got 600,000. I do trust the BLS data and from what I read on their releases linked above, seems NYT is understating a little, we could be looking at different revisions of the same period, but that is not the point.

The reason I am posting, NYT should be comparing the last two years of Obama to first two years of Trump because that was the economy he inherited.

We know that Trump inherited an expanding economy. And we know that job gains overall when Obama left office were in the same ballpark as the Trump annual job gains, overall.

HOWEVER. not in manufacturing. This from BLS:


https://www.bls.gov/ces/highlights012018.pdf


https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf

Those screenshots will expire in 14 days, but the links will take you to the charts. The number of jobs on the bars don't match in the two charts because BLS revises the monthly data a few times after it is released, but the trajectory of the numbers is what matters here.

What caused manufacturing jobs to LOSE 7,000 net in 2016 and only gain 69,000 jobs in 2015, for a net two-year gain of just 62,000?

Trump may've inherited a growing economy in 2017, but not so in the manufacturing sector and we can see the jobs gained 2017-18 of 504,000 my BLS numbers or 454,000 NYT BLS numbers over the last 2 years, that is like an 8x improvement.

However you look at those 4 years, 15-16 under Obama and 17-18 under Trump that is a very dramatic improvement!

Charts, whatever; statistics, make them say anything...sure.

I can't say for sure what is responsible for this dramatic increase. I don't expect anyone who never gives Trump any credit for anything to give him credit for this either. But everyone can see the numbers. They are what they are...something has to be responsible for it.


[Edited on 2/10/2019 by nebish]
trump hasn't done anything to cause the increase, I'd say it happened in spite of trump, and it's just an effect of Obama's policys.


nebish - 2/11/2019 at 02:21 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/us/politics/fact-check -state-of-the-union.html

“We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs — something which almost everyone said was impossible to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started.”

This is false.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that since January 2017, when Mr. Trump took office, the economy has added 4.9 million jobs, including 454,000 jobs manufacturing jobs. Far from being “impossible,” that is closely comparable to the pace of job creation during some two-year periods during the Obama administration, and significantly slower than the pace of job creation in manufacturing in the 1990s.





If we include 13,000 for January 2019, 284,000 for 2018 and the revised up 207,000 for all of 2017, I get 504,000.

https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01042019.htm
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01052018.htm

I don't know where Trump got 600,000. I do trust the BLS data and from what I read on their releases linked above, seems NYT is understating a little, we could be looking at different revisions of the same period, but that is not the point.

The reason I am posting, NYT should be comparing the last two years of Obama to first two years of Trump because that was the economy he inherited.

We know that Trump inherited an expanding economy. And we know that job gains overall when Obama left office were in the same ballpark as the Trump annual job gains, overall.

HOWEVER. not in manufacturing. This from BLS:


https://www.bls.gov/ces/highlights012018.pdf


https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf

Those screenshots will expire in 14 days, but the links will take you to the charts. The number of jobs on the bars don't match in the two charts because BLS revises the monthly data a few times after it is released, but the trajectory of the numbers is what matters here.

What caused manufacturing jobs to LOSE 7,000 net in 2016 and only gain 69,000 jobs in 2015, for a net two-year gain of just 62,000?

Trump may've inherited a growing economy in 2017, but not so in the manufacturing sector and we can see the jobs gained 2017-18 of 504,000 my BLS numbers or 454,000 NYT BLS numbers over the last 2 years, that is like an 8x improvement.

However you look at those 4 years, 15-16 under Obama and 17-18 under Trump that is a very dramatic improvement!

Charts, whatever; statistics, make them say anything...sure.

I can't say for sure what is responsible for this dramatic increase. I don't expect anyone who never gives Trump any credit for anything to give him credit for this either. But everyone can see the numbers. They are what they are...something has to be responsible for it.


[Edited on 2/10/2019 by nebish]
trump hasn't done anything to cause the increase, I'd say it happened in spite of trump, and it's just an effect of Obama's policys.


Maybe. It could be like the big expansion in gas and oil and reduced reliance on foreign oil that happened in spite of the Obama Administration policies rather than because of them. Or maybe the Clinton economy was more of a right-place, right-time.

Presidents get credit and blame whether or not they deserve it or not, or they get too much of it.

If the US economy was like a relay race then we can say that President Obama really rebounded well after taking the baton from stumbling and ready to collapse President Bush. And this handoff from Obama to Trump, alot of things could've went badly...they could've dropped the baton, Trump could've tripped or squandered the gains that came before he started running. Instead, halfway through his turn, we are running pretty well and in some ways better. Some on the right will never give Obama credit and say that growth was too slow, just as some of the left will never give Trump's Administration credit for sustaining and even stepping up growth. It's where we are.


gina - 2/11/2019 at 09:11 PM

The politicians say they are trying to work on a deal regarding the border. The Democrats want half the number of immigrants being placed in detention centers to be placed in the border sanctuary city areas. If they get this compromise they may provide some funding for the wall. SOME. They are also looking at some sort of deal to extend the deadline for the budget so that a new shutdown does not have to occur by the end of the week.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/10/border-wall-negotia tions/2830515002/

Democrats have proposed reducing the current number of beds ICE uses to detain immigrants here illegally from 40,520 to 35,520. But within that limit, they want most of the beds used for people detained at the border and proposed limiting the number of beds for immigrants here illegally who are caught within the U.S. to 16,500.

California and New Mexico's Governors have ordered the National Guard troops sent to their border with Mexico to be called from that job and sent elsewhere. They have that legal authority, probably unless there is a "national emergency declared" then it is the President's call/decision.

"I promise you this. Donald Trump is not going to sign any bill that reduces the number of bed spaces available to hold violent offenders who come across our border. He can't do that. He won't do that," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures."

The Republicans want to cap the number of immigrants allowed thru the border on a daily basis to 40 persons. The Democrats have not agreed to that.

"Democrats say a cap of 16,500 beds in ICE detention centers would force the Trump administration to focus on detaining undocumented immigrants with criminal records instead of using indiscriminate sweeps that drag in otherwise law-abiding residents."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/10/us/politics/trump-border-wall.html




[Edited on 2/11/2019 by gina]


gina - 2/11/2019 at 09:53 PM


https://www.bendbulletin.com/nation/6837928-151/trump-moves-toward-emergenc y-declaration

Trump, visiting McAllen, Texas, and the Rio Grande to highlight what he says is a crisis of drugs and crime, said that “if for any reason we don’t get this going” — an agreement with House Democrats who have refused to approve the $5.7 billion he demands for the wall — “I will declare a national emergency.”


sixty8 - 2/12/2019 at 07:59 AM

My opinion about Trump's SOTU address? Just more flat out lying bullsh_t from the most dishonest man walking the planet. He is nothing but a POS con man who does nothing but over exaggerate, fabricate, and flat out lie over and over and over again even repeating lies that have already been disproved. He is a disgusting human being and a national disgrace. Nobody should ever take a single word he says as being true or honest and he cares about nobody but himself. Thank God we are already half way to getting this mentally stunted basta_d out of office and as far away from the White House as possible hopefully wearing a pair of handcuffs on the way out. Maybe he can buy off a teir in whatever jail he ends up in so he can see his children in the surrounding cells. They are all a bunch of self serving grifter criminals and they all belong in jail although I wouldn't mind seeing coward Donald Jr. and his pussy coward brother Eric get mauled by some wild animal that they are cowardly sport hunting. This piece of sh_t family are the worse thing to ever happen to this country and the damage they leave in their wake will take a very long time to fix especially overseas where we have lost all of the respect it took many decades to create. The faster we get rid of this pathological lying, immature, disrespectful, narcissist, misogynist, racist, sociopath the better off the country and world will be.


StratDal - 2/12/2019 at 01:05 PM

quote:
Way too long and grim.


Obviously the current presidential term.


BrerRabbit - 2/12/2019 at 02:38 PM

quote:
the most dishonest man walking the planet . . . disgusting human being and a national disgrace. . . mentally stunted basta_d . . . . pathological lying, immature, disrespectful, narcissist, misogynist, racist, sociopath . . .


But other than that he's a pretty good guy, right?


nebish - 2/12/2019 at 02:41 PM

But tell us how you really feel sixty8! We'll count you among those in the chamber not standing to clap.


sixty8 - 2/12/2019 at 06:28 PM

LOL! Sorry if I get carried away folks but being a NYer I had had enough of this phony con man long before he ran for POTUS. His reputation as a dishonest and corrupt grifter with no moral compass has been built up over decades. I still can't believe he got elected even against such a weak and compromised opponent. If the Dems don't nominate the right kind of candidate to beat this jerk wad and get rid of him and he gets re elected I will never forgive them or vote for their party ever again. I am and always have been a registered Independent and have no problem voting for either side depending on candidate but for the love of God we have got to do everything possible to make sure this crazy self serving maniac only serves one term. If he gets two terms the damage he will end up doing might never be fixable.


BoytonBrother - 2/12/2019 at 07:32 PM

Sixty8, I agree with your assessment of the clown in the White House, but people like Trump have always existed and will always exist. It’s not the trash in the White House....it’s the people that decided to willfully elect trash.....willfully putting the country at risk....willfully siding with Russian attacks on the United States, willfully accepting the comments in Helsinki, and the list goes on.

All the right-wing members here openly confessed they chose Trump because liberals name-called them. KCJimmy shared that letter about it, detailing that people voted for Trump, not for politics, but because of the condemnation they received from liberals. Can you imagine? Because they were name-called, because Obama had class, honor, integrity, and character, they got insecure, and decided to elect a known Russian asset and threaten our National Security, because they needed spite. Ponder that for a moment.


Chain - 2/12/2019 at 07:35 PM

No need to apologize, Sixty....Many of us, especially those of us from New York who've known of his con man's history and reputation long before he ran for president, share your thoughts and opinions.

For the life of me I can't believe how anyone can't see through this guy for what he really is. The corruption and ineptness of Trump, his family, the pundits, and obviously much of the Republican Congress and his other enablers in government is pretty astounding.


BoytonBrother - 2/12/2019 at 08:19 PM

quote:
For the life of me I can't believe how anyone can't see through this guy for what he really is. The corruption and ineptness of Trump, his family, the pundits, and obviously much of the Republican Congress and his other enablers in government is pretty astounding.


Chain, I think they do see through it....they just don’t mind the corruption and lies, because he insults minorities and those that want to help them (the “Dems”).



[Edited on 2/12/2019 by BoytonBrother]


MartinD28 - 2/12/2019 at 10:09 PM

quote:
quote:
For the life of me I can't believe how anyone can't see through this guy for what he really is. The corruption and ineptness of Trump, his family, the pundits, and obviously much of the Republican Congress and his other enablers in government is pretty astounding.


Chain, I think they do see through it....they just don’t mind the corruption and lies, because he insults minorities and those that want to help them (the “Dems”).



[Edited on 2/12/2019 by BoytonBrother]


Maybe a portion see through the con guy and at the same time a portion don't. Ever engage his supporters on any depth or details about issues? If they can't articulate substance, then there's the proof. Look no further than this site.


pops42 - 2/12/2019 at 10:30 PM

I recently watched a few docs on mousellini, franco, and hitler. they like trump were dictatiors [trump being a wannabe] they fought against truth, democracy, and a free press. and look at how the wound up.


gina - 2/14/2019 at 11:25 PM

Trump will sign the deal that Congress came up with, but he is still declaring a National Emergency.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/430070-mcconnell-trump-to-sign-border-d eal-declare-national-emergency



gina - 2/15/2019 at 11:04 PM

By now you know he did declare a National Emergency. Doing so enables him to tap into money he otherwise would not have access to without Congressional approval.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-raid-on-pentagon-funds-draws -bipartisan-hill-fire/ar-BBTEhDs

In all, the White House is directing $8 billion toward building or repairing up to 234 miles of border barriers. On top of the $1.37 billion for barriers allocated in spending legislation passed Thursday, Trump is aiming to divert $3.6 billion in military construction funds and $2.5 billion from a Pentagon drug interdiction program as well as $600 million from a Treasury Department drug forfeiture fund.

Part of the response from House Speaker Pelosi:

“It is yet another demonstration of President Trump’s naked contempt for the rule of law,”

"https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/nancy-pelosi-gop-democratic-president-23192 4926.html


Remarks: "Naked contempt?" Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. Why does she bring up the word "naked", does she have secret longings for the President? She could have said "bold" or "obvious" but NAKED. Oh whippin' post!

Well he is a great businessman, you have to admit that. He figured out how to get the money he needed in total for the wall. Of course they will not just let him do that without a fight. They deny there is a crisis, the 45,000+ people who have illegally crossed the border and are being held in custody in Democratic minds pose no threat to American security, we can just have people breach our borders any ole time, that's okay with them.

And a suggestion From an Associated Press Reporter - With the conviction of Joaquin El Chapo Guzman, for trafficking etc. across the Mexican border, why not try to use some of that to pay for the wall that the Democrats think we do not need.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/el-chapo-pay-border-wall-dont-count-151700721.ht ml

Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas promises to reintroduce a bill named after El Chapo that would require money seized from Mexican cartels be dedicated to a border security. "There's a natural and elegant symmetry that suggested itself," Cruz said. "Those billions that El Chapo has were made trafficking illegally across the U.S. border, bringing narcotics across the border, and it is only right that those ill-gotten gains go to fixing the problem of stopping the next narco-trafficker.












[Edited on 2/16/2019 by gina]


gina - 2/15/2019 at 11:08 PM

The oppositional border wall obstructionists are already at it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-introduce-bill-17520079 2.html

“The order is signed,” the president declared on Friday. “We will have a national emergency and we will then be sued, and they will sue us in the 9th Circuit, even though it shouldn’t be there, and we will possibly get a bad ruling and then we’ll get another bad ruling and then we’ll end up in the Supreme Court.”

He knows they will continue, but so will he. And remember he appointed some judges to the Supreme Court.




2112 - 2/15/2019 at 11:20 PM

quote:
The oppositional border wall obstructionists are already at it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-introduce-bill-17520079 2.html

“The order is signed,” the president declared on Friday. “We will have a national emergency and we will then be sued, and they will sue us in the 9th Circuit, even though it shouldn’t be there, and we will possibly get a bad ruling and then we’ll get another bad ruling and then we’ll end up in the Supreme Court.”

He knows they will continue, but so will he. And remember he appointed some judges to the Supreme Court.






When Trump stated "I didn't need to do this," that is an admission that this wasn't an emergency.


gina - 2/15/2019 at 11:45 PM

Congress can still vote to block the Emergency. They have to do it within 15 days.

Democratic House members have already pushed to introduce a resolution to disapprove of the president's action. If the Democratic-held House passes such a measure, the GOP-controlled Senate would have to take it up by law, putting pressure on Republican senators. Trump could also veto it, which would require a two-thirds majority in both chambers to overcome. With McConnell supporting the emergency declaration and Republicans holding 53 of 100 Senate seats, it is unclear whether lawmakers could block it.

Rep. Mark Meadows, a North Carolina Republican and another Trump confidant, argued Congress would lack the votes to override the president's veto. "Given Congress will try to block this executive action, I'm seeing speculation Congress could override a POTUS veto w/ GOP votes. They will not. The votes will not be there," he tweeted.

Trump seemed prepared for a long fight Friday. "I expect to be sued" over the declaration, he said.
He argued that he had the authority to take the step, and thinks he will ultimately prevail in the Supreme Court. "I think we will be very successful in court," he said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/pelosi-and-schumer-criticize-trump-national -emergency-declaration.html


REMARK: He's right the ACLU is suing him.
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/top-stories/trump-expected-to-sign-deal- to-keep-government-open-as-2nd-shutdown-looms/919479288





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