Thread: Officially Declared Democrat 2020 POTUS Candidates

nebish - 1/12/2019 at 04:51 PM

Officially Announced:

Michael Bennet (announced 5/2/19)
- 54, current US Senator from Colorado, former chief of staff to then Governor Hickenlooper, former Denver Public Schools Superintendent, businessman and lawyer.
http://michaelbennet.com/win

Joe Biden (announced 4/25/19)
- 76, 2009-2017 Vice President, US Senator from Delaware 1973-2009, two-time POTUS candidate in 1988 and 2008.
https://joebiden.com/

Cory Booker (announced 2/1/2019)
-49 years old, current US Senator from NJ, former Newark Mayor, Rhodes Scholar
https://corybooker.com/

Steve Bullock (announced 5/14/19)
- 53, two-term and current Governor of Montana, former state Attorney General, lawyer
https://stevebullock.com/

Pete Buttigieg (announced 4/14/19)
- 37, Rhodes Scholar, Naval Reservist deployed in Afghanistan, two-term Mayor of South Bend IN
https://peteforamerica.com/meet-pete/

Julian Castro (announced 1/12/19)
-44 year old, former Mayor of San Antonio and HUD Secretary for Obama, delivered keynote speech at 2012 DNC
https://www.facebook.com/Julian-Castro-97458155742/

Bill de Blasio (announced 5/16/19)
-58, two-term current Mayor of New York City, former NYC Public Advocate, NYC City Council.
https://billdeblasio.com/

John Delaney (announced 7/28/17)
-55 years old, former US House member from Maryland 2013-2019 (did not run for reelection), prior career in business
https://www.johnkdelaney.com/

Tulsi Gabbard (announced 1/11/19)
-37 years old, current US House member from Hawaii, member of National Guard and served in Iraq, former vice-chair DNC who stepped down to endorse Bernie Sanders
https://www.tulsi2020.com/

Kirsten Gillibrand (announced 3/17/2019)
- 52, current US Senator from New York (replaced Hillary Clinton's seat and was reelected twice), former member of US House, lawyer
https://kirstengillibrand.com/

Mike Gravel (announced 4/2/19)
- 88, US Senator from Alaska 1969-1981, 2008 POTUS candidate, has stated he is not seeking party nomination instead running to appear in the debates (atleast he is honest)
https://www.mikegravel.org/

Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/

John Hickenlooper (announced 3/4/19)
- 67, two-term Governor of Colorado, former Mayor and entrepreneur
https://www.hickenlooper.com/

Jay Inslee (announced 3/1/10)
- 68, two-term Governor of Washington, former state legislator
https://jayinslee.com/

Amy Klobuchar (announced 2/10/19)
- 58, current US Senator from Minnesota, former county attorney and prosecutor
https://www.amyklobuchar.com/

Wayne Messam (announced 3/28/19)
- 44, three-term Mayor of Miramar, FL, city commissioner 2011-2015, businessman
https://wayneforusa.com/

Seth Moulton (announced 4/22/19)
- 40, current member of US House from Massachusetts, Marine Corp Captain serving 4 tours in Iraq, Green New Deal co-sponsor
https://sethmoulton.com/

X-OUT-Richard Ojeda (announced 11/12/18)(suspended campaign 1/25/19)
-48 years old, 24 year Army veteran, former WV Senate, lost bid for US House in 2018
https://voteojeda.com/

Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/

Tim Ryan (announced 4/4/19)
- 45, current and 9 term member of the US House from Ohio, former congressional aide and state Senator
https://timryanforamerica.com/

Bernie Sanders (announced 2/19/2019)
- 77, current US Senator from Vermont, self described Democratic Socialist, serving as elected representative in Washington since 1991, former Mayor of Burlington, lost Democrat Nomination 2016
https://berniesanders.com/

Joe Sestak (announced 6/23/19)
- 67, member of US House 2007-2011, Naval Academy with 31 years of service, National Security Council Director for President Clinton, beat Arlen Specter in 2010 Senate primary but lost general.
https://www.joesestak.com/

Tom Steyer (announced 7/9/19)
- 62, billionaire and former hedge fund manger with time spent at Goldman Sachs and founder of Farallon Capital. Also founder of political lobbying and advocacy groups NextGen America and Need to Impeach.
https://www.tomsteyer.com/

X-OUT Eric Swalwell (announced 4/8/19)(withdrew 7/8)
- 38, current member of US House from California, former CA county deputy DA
https://swalwell.house.gov/

Elizabeth Warren (announced 2/9/19)
- 69, current US Senator from Massachusetts, former law professor with appointments for advising and oversight on bankruptcy and consumer protections
https://elizabethwarren.com/

Marianne Williamson (announced 1/28/2019)
-66 years old, author, teacher and activist, lost California Congressional election in 2014 as an Independent
https://marianne.com/

Andrew Yang (announced 11/6/2017)
-43 years old, venture capitalist and entrepreneur, Ambassador of Global Entrepreneurship for Obama
https://www.yang2020.com/


[Edited on 7/11/2019 by nebish]


gina - 1/12/2019 at 07:05 PM

I like Yang's Universal Basic Income. I think that will help solve a lot of problems.

Ojeda has an interesting idea about capping the wealth of our Washington representatives but I doubt he could get that passed. Still an interesting candidate.

Tulsi:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/11/tulsi-gabbard-run-president -2020-democrat-hawaii
Iraqi war veteran, she met secretly with Assad. Maybe Mueller should look into that.
"Gabbard has also drawn criticism for secretly meeting with Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, during a 2017 trip to the war-torn country. Gabbard opposes removing Assad from power."



[Edited on 1/12/2019 by gina]

[Edited on 1/12/2019 by gina]


nebish - 1/21/2019 at 01:26 PM

Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/


Chain - 1/21/2019 at 01:31 PM

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Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/


She's an excellent candidate in my opinion....Smart, articulate, and a very experienced prosecutor. I've seen a number of interviews with her over past few months and she's very impressive in my opinion. In particular, a recent C-span interview where she was speaking at a law school I believe...

[Edited on 1/21/2019 by Chain]


MartinD28 - 1/21/2019 at 07:14 PM

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Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/


She's an excellent candidate in my opinion....Smart, articulate, and a very experienced prosecutor. I've seen a number of interviews with her over past few months and she's very impressive in my opinion. In particular, a recent C-span interview where she was speaking at a law school I believe...

[Edited on 1/21/2019 by Chain]


X2

Former Attorney General of California. Every time I've heard her speak I came away more & more impressed. I wouldn't mind seeing her on the the ticket as either candidate for prez or VP.


2112 - 1/21/2019 at 09:21 PM

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Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/


She's an excellent candidate in my opinion....Smart, articulate, and a very experienced prosecutor. I've seen a number of interviews with her over past few months and she's very impressive in my opinion. In particular, a recent C-span interview where she was speaking at a law school I believe...

[Edited on 1/21/2019 by Chain]


X2

Former Attorney General of California. Every time I've heard her speak I came away more & more impressed. I wouldn't mind seeing her on the the ticket as either candidate for prez or VP.


I've never been a huge fan of hers. She is definitely left of me, although she is definitely highly intelligent and we'll spoken. I'm not sure how much appeal she'll have to the independents, although if she faces the dumpster fire that is Trump it might not matter.


tcatanesi - 1/21/2019 at 11:02 PM

Our country couldn't handle a female president of color.

We haven't evolved enough.

I like her. Smart and a little sassy.


BoytonBrother - 1/22/2019 at 04:18 PM

I can hear the right desperately searching online for something.....anything at all, to hate about Kamala Harris. “Surely there must be something, and I’m going to find it and pretend to hate her for it.” Just watch.

In the next couple weeks, Fox News will find it, create the talking point, and we’ll see it regurgitated here by the usual sheep who can’t articulate for themselves. It’ll be such a coincidence, that Goob and Mule will miraculously share the same frustrations as Fox News, at the same time!


BrerRabbit - 1/22/2019 at 04:23 PM

Maybe she claimed she was .00001 % caucasian at some point? Hahaha - then we could nickname her "Betsy Ross".


BoytonBrother - 1/22/2019 at 07:20 PM

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Maybe she claimed she was .00001 % caucasian at some point? Hahaha - then we could nickname her "Betsy Ross".


They hate her already, and don’t even know why. I can’t wait to see the posts by Goober, Mule, and BIGV - all together in unison, spouting the same talking point provided to them by the media.

So what did you dig up boys? What insignificant factoid will you latch onto so you can pretend-hate her? How much time until you post it here? When she gains steam I imagine.


Chain - 1/22/2019 at 10:15 PM

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Maybe she claimed she was .00001 % caucasian at some point? Hahaha - then we could nickname her "Betsy Ross".


She actually is bi-racial.....So I suppose the Fox news crowd and the right will seize upon that as being a serious flaw.

What I think i find most appealing about her is while certainly a bit sassy (which I like in a candidate), she's at the same time calm and even slightly reserved. I think that is because she's very intelligent and doesn't talk merely to talk but think's deeply before she speaks.

I would say an example of this was in her questioning of Cavanaugh some months ago...While many politicians in such panel discussions ask prepared questions verbatim right off a sheet of paper, she, on the other hand showed her experience as a prosecutor in the way she questioned and listened to Cavanaugh...Her style of speaking and interaction reminds me slightly of Barack Obama.

[Edited on 1/22/2019 by Chain]


MartinD28 - 1/23/2019 at 12:30 AM

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Maybe she claimed she was .00001 % caucasian at some point? Hahaha - then we could nickname her "Betsy Ross".


She actually is bi-racial.....So I suppose the Fox news crowd and the right will seize upon that as being a serious flaw.

What I think i find most appealing about her is while certainly a bit sassy (which I like in a candidate), she's at the same time calm and even slightly reserved. I think that is because she's very intelligent and doesn't talk merely to talk but think's deeply before she speaks.

I would say an example of this was in her questioning of Cavanaugh some months ago...While many politicians in such panel discussions ask prepared questions verbatim right off a sheet of paper, she, on the other hand showed her experience as a prosecutor in the way she questioned and listened to Cavanaugh...Her style of speaking and interaction reminds me slightly of Barack Obama.

[Edited on 1/22/2019 by Chain]


Chain - I thought yesterday about her questioning of Cavanaugh, but I didn't post about it. Glad that you brought that up. My read is the same as yours. Glad you posted it. I'd like to see her as part of the ticket moreso than Warren or Gillibrand.


Chain - 1/23/2019 at 10:49 PM

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Maybe she claimed she was .00001 % caucasian at some point? Hahaha - then we could nickname her "Betsy Ross".


She actually is bi-racial.....So I suppose the Fox news crowd and the right will seize upon that as being a serious flaw.

What I think i find most appealing about her is while certainly a bit sassy (which I like in a candidate), she's at the same time calm and even slightly reserved. I think that is because she's very intelligent and doesn't talk merely to talk but think's deeply before she speaks.

I would say an example of this was in her questioning of Cavanaugh some months ago...While many politicians in such panel discussions ask prepared questions verbatim right off a sheet of paper, she, on the other hand showed her experience as a prosecutor in the way she questioned and listened to Cavanaugh...Her style of speaking and interaction reminds me slightly of Barack Obama.

[Edited on 1/22/2019 by Chain]


Chain - I thought yesterday about her questioning of Cavanaugh, but I didn't post about it. Glad that you brought that up. My read is the same as yours. Glad you posted it. I'd like to see her as part of the ticket moreso than Warren or Gillibrand.


You're welcome....I agree and have said previous that I want no part of either Warren or Gillibrand on the ticket either as Pres. or VP....They both can do good things in the Senate. Even more so should the Dems gain control in of the Senate. And for the record, Gillibrand is one of my Senators....I'm a fan of hers, but think she should stay in Senate.


BIGV - 1/23/2019 at 10:58 PM

I do not believe we are ready for a Woman President; the Dems aspirations for the WH lay with 77 year old Bernie Sanders changing Parties.


BrerRabbit - 1/23/2019 at 11:03 PM

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I do not believe we are ready for a Woman President


Guess that makes me not part of the "we".


MartinD28 - 1/23/2019 at 11:43 PM

quote:
I do not believe we are ready for a Woman President; the Dems aspirations for the WH lay with 77 year old Bernie Sanders changing Parties.



bigv,

Can you expand upon your reasoning why you make that statement about a Woman President"? Who are the "we" that you personally refer to? We doesn't include me.

You say you "do not believe we are ready for a Woman President". So - when do you think we will be ready? 10 years, 20 years, never?

I'll bet you $100.00 that Bernie won't be the nominee. Are you in?


OriginalGoober - 1/24/2019 at 01:29 AM

quote:
I can hear the right desperately searching online for something.....anything at all, to hate about Kamala Harris. “Surely there must be something, and I’m going to find it and pretend to hate her for it.” Just watch.

In the next couple weeks, Fox News will find it, create the talking point, and we’ll see it regurgitated here by the usual sheep who can’t articulate for themselves. It’ll be such a coincidence, that Goob and Mule will miraculously share the same frustrations as Fox News, at the same time!


She seems confused and blows where the politcal winds shift. I understand that she made it her personal mission to have truancy become criminal offense in California, clogging up the courts with low income minorities. If she is such a hard liner not sure why she is a democrat and opposes the Wall and Trump.


OriginalGoober - 1/24/2019 at 01:48 AM

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Officially Announced:

Julian Castro (announced 1/12/19)
-44 year old, former Mayor of San Antonio and HUD Secretary for Obama, delivered keynote speech at 2012 DNC
https://www.facebook.com/Julian-Castro-97458155742/

John Delany (announced 7/28/17)
-55 years old, former US House member from Maryland 2013-2019 (did not run for reelection), prior career in business
https://www.johnkdelaney.com/

Tulsi Gabbard (announced 1/11/19)
-37 years old, current US House member from Hawaii, member of National Guard and served in Iraq, former vice-chair DNC who stepped down to endorse Bernie Sanders
https://www.tulsi2020.com/

Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/

Richard Ojeda (announced 11/12/18)
-48 years old, 24 year Army veteran, former WV Senate, lost bid for US House in 2018
https://voteojeda.com/

Andrew Yang (announced 11/6/2017)
-43 years old, venture capitalist and entrepreneur, Ambassador of Global Entrepreneurship for Obama
https://www.yang2020.com/


I believe those are the only officially announced candidates at the moment. Many, many more will be coming!

[Edited on 1/21/2019 by nebish]



nebish - 1/24/2019 at 02:05 AM

And....we're in the gutter. My intention is to keep this tread alive until the election.


MartinD28 - 1/24/2019 at 12:18 PM

quote:
quote:
Officially Announced:

Julian Castro (announced 1/12/19)
-44 year old, former Mayor of San Antonio and HUD Secretary for Obama, delivered keynote speech at 2012 DNC
https://www.facebook.com/Julian-Castro-97458155742/

John Delany (announced 7/28/17)
-55 years old, former US House member from Maryland 2013-2019 (did not run for reelection), prior career in business
https://www.johnkdelaney.com/

Tulsi Gabbard (announced 1/11/19)
-37 years old, current US House member from Hawaii, member of National Guard and served in Iraq, former vice-chair DNC who stepped down to endorse Bernie Sanders
https://www.tulsi2020.com/

Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/

Richard Ojeda (announced 11/12/18)
-48 years old, 24 year Army veteran, former WV Senate, lost bid for US House in 2018
https://voteojeda.com/

Andrew Yang (announced 11/6/2017)
-43 years old, venture capitalist and entrepreneur, Ambassador of Global Entrepreneurship for Obama
https://www.yang2020.com/


I believe those are the only officially announced candidates at the moment. Many, many more will be coming!

[Edited on 1/21/2019 by nebish]





Ah...Stormy Daniels. Trump had a fling with her after his son was born & then paid hush money to make the story go away prior to the election. We can see why purists like goob & the Evangelicals would vote for her.


MartinD28 - 1/24/2019 at 12:21 PM

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I can hear the right desperately searching online for something.....anything at all, to hate about Kamala Harris. “Surely there must be something, and I’m going to find it and pretend to hate her for it.” Just watch.

In the next couple weeks, Fox News will find it, create the talking point, and we’ll see it regurgitated here by the usual sheep who can’t articulate for themselves. It’ll be such a coincidence, that Goob and Mule will miraculously share the same frustrations as Fox News, at the same time!


She seems confused and blows where the politcal winds shift. I understand that she made it her personal mission to have truancy become criminal offense in California, clogging up the courts with low income minorities. If she is such a hard liner not sure why she is a democrat and opposes the Wall and Trump.


goob - see BoytonBrother's post 1/22/2019 at 11:18. You just validated his point. Bingo.


BrerRabbit - 1/24/2019 at 02:32 PM

And the Stormy post validated the "we are not ready for a woman president" post. That is, if "we" means dickhead simpletons who are frightened and threatened by intelligent women.



BoytonBrother - 1/24/2019 at 04:51 PM

quote:
I do not believe we are ready for a Woman President


Translation: I am not ready for a woman President - I can’t speak for anyone but myself.

Does the “why” even matter?


BoytonBrother - 1/24/2019 at 05:04 PM

quote:
She seems confused and blows where the politcal winds shift.


Lol, ok buddy.

quote:
I understand that she made it her personal mission to have truancy become criminal offense in California


Yay for Google!

quote:
clogging up the courts with low income minorities. If she is such a hard liner not sure why she is a democrat and opposes the Wall and Trump.


Well Goober, it’s because people can be different from one another.....even people among the same political affiliation. I know this comes as a shock.

As for opposing Trump and his wall, even you can understand the value of distancing yourself from a soon-to-be disgraced President working for Russia. You and your ilk might be ok being associated with scum, but any serious professional would be foolish to brand themselves with it. Even Guliani just said he’s afraid of what his tombstone will say. You really don’t get this?


BrerRabbit - 1/24/2019 at 06:15 PM

quote:
...afraid of what his tombstone will say


lol . . . "Here LIES."

[Edited on 1/24/2019 by BrerRabbit]


BIGV - 1/24/2019 at 06:47 PM

quote:
quote:
I do not believe we are ready for a Woman President; the Dems aspirations for the WH lay with 77 year old Bernie Sanders changing Parties.



bigv,

Can you expand upon your reasoning why you make that statement about a Woman President"? Who are the "we" that you personally refer to? We doesn't include me.

You say you "do not believe we are ready for a Woman President". So - when do you think we will be ready? 10 years, 20 years, never?

I'll bet you $100.00 that Bernie won't be the nominee. Are you in?


On Bernie?...No, but thanks!...But I believe he represents the Dems best chance to win.

"We" being representative of the Voting block as a whole. Not everyone who finds their way to a Polling station lives in N.Y. or California and a good % of those voters have readily voiced their opinions on this.

When will "we" be ready? one more Generation, change takes time a evidenced by how gradually States are coming around to the Legalization of Pot.....

The Dems will argue that Hillary was extremely qualified to hold the highest office in the land...How did she lose given the system has elected what?...44/45 other Presidents?


BIGV - 1/24/2019 at 06:50 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I can hear the right desperately searching online for something.....anything at all, to hate about Kamala Harris. “Surely there must be something, and I’m going to find it and pretend to hate her for it.” Just watch.

In the next couple weeks, Fox News will find it, create the talking point, and we’ll see it regurgitated here by the usual sheep who can’t articulate for themselves. It’ll be such a coincidence, that Goob and Mule will miraculously share the same frustrations as Fox News, at the same time!


She seems confused and blows where the politcal winds shift. I understand that she made it her personal mission to have truancy become criminal offense in California, clogging up the courts with low income minorities. If she is such a hard liner not sure why she is a democrat and opposes the Wall and Trump.


goob - see BoytonBrother's post 1/22/2019 at 11:18. You just validated his point. Bingo.


This same argument can be and will be made by the Democrats about almost any Republican Candidate.......

"I predict someone on this Board will soon celebrate a Birthday"


BoytonBrother - 1/24/2019 at 07:04 PM

The most recent popular votes would suggest that the majority of the country is ready. It’s the conservatives who aren’t ready.


BIGV - 1/24/2019 at 07:07 PM

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The most recent popular votes would suggest that the majority of the country is ready. It’s the conservatives who aren’t ready.


"Popular" votes are not enough. The people in the breadbasket of the Country have a voice. We may not agree with it, but there they are.


BoytonBrother - 1/24/2019 at 07:46 PM

quote:
"Popular" votes are not enough. The people in the breadbasket of the Country have a voice. We may not agree with it, but there they are.


Right. So then the people in the red state breadbasket aren’t ready for a woman President, but the “voting block as a whole” favored Hillary by a couple million.


BrerRabbit - 1/24/2019 at 08:58 PM

quote:
Who are the "we" that you personally refer to?


We the peephole.


MartinD28 - 1/24/2019 at 10:01 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I do not believe we are ready for a Woman President; the Dems aspirations for the WH lay with 77 year old Bernie Sanders changing Parties.



bigv,

Can you expand upon your reasoning why you make that statement about a Woman President"? Who are the "we" that you personally refer to? We doesn't include me.

You say you "do not believe we are ready for a Woman President". So - when do you think we will be ready? 10 years, 20 years, never?

I'll bet you $100.00 that Bernie won't be the nominee. Are you in?


On Bernie?...No, but thanks!...But I believe he represents the Dems best chance to win.

"We" being representative of the Voting block as a whole. Not everyone who finds their way to a Polling station lives in N.Y. or California and a good % of those voters have readily voiced their opinions on this.

When will "we" be ready? one more Generation, change takes time a evidenced by how gradually States are coming around to the Legalization of Pot.....

The Dems will argue that Hillary was extremely qualified to hold the highest office in the land...How did she lose given the system has elected what?...44/45 other Presidents?


The midterms saw a record number of women elected to Congress. Almost all were Dems. Wonder why the GOP continues to elect mainly white males while the Dems much more reflect the makeup of the population's diversity?

Hillary probably lost because she was hated by many, and they voted for the other horribly flawed candidate with the belief that they were voting for the lesser of two evils. I doubt HC lost because she is a woman. With what the country has seen of whatever the f Trump is combined with the vote for female candidates in the midterms, I'd say the country is more than ready for a woman to become POTUS.

There will always be pockets of narrow minded, chauvinistic, and backwards thinking individuals, but society as a whole always changes as time moves forward.


BIGV - 1/24/2019 at 11:08 PM

quote:
There will always be pockets of narrow minded, chauvinistic, and backwards thinking individuals, but society as a whole always changes as time moves forward.


Very true statement and they come in all shapes, sizes, colors and are members of any number of political parties.....


MartinD28 - 1/24/2019 at 11:18 PM

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There will always be pockets of narrow minded, chauvinistic, and backwards thinking individuals, but society as a whole always changes as time moves forward.


Very true statement and they come in all shapes, sizes, colors and are members of any number of political parties.....


So let's concentrate on the other statement I made. What is your explanation for the following:

"The midterms saw a record number of women elected to Congress. Almost all were Dems. Wonder why the GOP continues to elect mainly white males while the Dems much more reflect the makeup of the population's diversity?"


BIGV - 1/25/2019 at 01:12 AM

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There will always be pockets of narrow minded, chauvinistic, and backwards thinking individuals, but society as a whole always changes as time moves forward.


Very true statement and they come in all shapes, sizes, colors and are members of any number of political parties.....


So let's concentrate on the other statement I made. What is your explanation for the following:

"The midterms saw a record number of women elected to Congress. Almost all were Dems. Wonder why the GOP continues to elect mainly white males while the Dems much more reflect the makeup of the population's diversity?"


Difference in the way the Parties are viewed would be my guess. A lot of new voters come from from cultures where the Gov't takes care of everything, gee whiz, which Party do you think fits that profile? For example you seem to see most Republicans in one way and most Dems in another, that's cool, but you have to accept that not everyone is going to agree with that assessment. I have no problem with Democrats per say, but their leadership makes me laugh...For example, the existing funds for a lot of Gubmint workers are about to run out and the Party of the "People" would rather see some people end up homeless and without food than to give President Trump one penny for his wall. Nice. As far as Branding voters can we agree that there are Democrats in Iowa and Oklahoma that are 80 year old white guys who don't believe a Woman can be President? Sure there are.....Both major parties wear rose colored glasses and turn a blind eye whenever it suits them......

Vote Libertarian; less Government


BrerRabbit - 1/25/2019 at 01:21 AM

Yep, absolutely! Vote Libertarian; sap the Republicans! Power to them! If I were a Republican politician I would be scared to death of Libertarians right now.

[Edited on 1/25/2019 by BrerRabbit]


nebish - 1/25/2019 at 03:31 AM

The only issue I have with Kamala Harris, it's actually an issue with CNN, they are going to air a town hall style show from Iowa. Hopefully they will be doing this for all the candidates. It seems rather unfair to the other candidates that they would give her this air time and platform and not her fellow Democrat competitors like Castro or Gabbard or the other lesser know candidates. It's almost like CNN is deciding who to promote by doing this. She was only 6th in a Politico Iowa December poll of potential candidates with 7%. This town hall event should help boost that, but CNN should be offering such to the other candidates as well.


BoytonBrother - 1/25/2019 at 03:48 AM

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A lot of new voters come from from cultures where the Gov't takes care of everything, gee whiz, which Party do you think fits that profile?


Inner cities vote democrat. Bible Belt votes Trump. By asking “which”, did you think it was just one party?

quote:
I have no problem with Democrats per say


“Per say”, lol. I appreciate you leaving the option of hating them outright on the table.

quote:
the existing funds for a lot of Gubmint workers are about to run out and the Party of the "People" would rather see some people end up homeless and without food than to give President Trump one penny for his wall. Nice.


Existing funds are about to run out and our Russian asset President would rather see Americans end up homeless and without food because he wants a $5billion monument to himself built.

But see it how you want, and excuse a traitor to our country working for a foreign adversary. Blame other officials because of their political affiliation instead. Just have some courage and say you don’t like Democrats. It’s way more respectable than dancing around with this lazy nonsensical analysis. Trump owns it, as he said, period. Hostage taking is a sleazy tactic, and it’s better to spend $5billion on something that will definitely work - not a symbol for white supremist America. Trump is in charge. Obviously.


BIGV - 1/25/2019 at 04:16 AM

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A lot of new voters come from from cultures where the Gov't takes care of everything, gee whiz, which Party do you think fits that profile?


Inner cities vote democrat. Bible Belt votes Trump. By asking “which”, did you think it was just one party?

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I have no problem with Democrats per say


“Per say”, lol. I appreciate you leaving the option of hating them outright on the table.

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the existing funds for a lot of Gubmint workers are about to run out and the Party of the "People" would rather see some people end up homeless and without food than to give President Trump one penny for his wall. Nice.


Existing funds are about to run out and our Russian asset President would rather see Americans end up homeless and without food because he wants a $5billion monument to himself built.

But see it how you want, and excuse a traitor to our country working for a foreign adversary. Blame other officials because of their political affiliation instead. Just have some courage and say you don’t like Democrats. It’s way more respectable than dancing around with this lazy nonsensical analysis. Trump owns it, as he said, period. Hostage taking is a sleazy tactic, and it’s better to spend $5billion on something that will definitely work - not a symbol for white supremist America. Trump is in charge. Obviously.


You are certainly entitled to your opinion and as always have stated it with nothing but eloquence and tact. But, I respectively disagree.


cyclone88 - 1/25/2019 at 04:33 AM

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On Bernie?...No, but thanks!...But I believe he represents the Dems best chance to win.


Now that he's been exposed for the misogynist many knew him to be, Dem women under 77 won't vote for him. He's DOA.


2112 - 1/25/2019 at 05:02 AM

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There will always be pockets of narrow minded, chauvinistic, and backwards thinking individuals, but society as a whole always changes as time moves forward.


Very true statement and they come in all shapes, sizes, colors and are members of any number of political parties.....


So let's concentrate on the other statement I made. What is your explanation for the following:

"The midterms saw a record number of women elected to Congress. Almost all were Dems. Wonder why the GOP continues to elect mainly white males while the Dems much more reflect the makeup of the population's diversity?"


Difference in the way the Parties are viewed would be my guess. A lot of new voters come from from cultures where the Gov't takes care of everything, gee whiz, which Party do you think fits that profile? For example you seem to see most Republicans in one way and most Dems in another, that's cool, but you have to accept that not everyone is going to agree with that assessment. I have no problem with Democrats per say, but their leadership makes me laugh...For example, the existing funds for a lot of Gubmint workers are about to run out and the Party of the "People" would rather see some people end up homeless and without food than to give President Trump one penny for his wall. Nice. As far as Branding voters can we agree that there are Democrats in Iowa and Oklahoma that are 80 year old white guys who don't believe a Woman can be President? Sure there are.....Both major parties wear rose colored glasses and turn a blind eye whenever it suits them......

Vote Libertarian; less Government


I know A LOT of people who claim to be Libertarian, yet they never win elections, or even get more than 1 or 2 percent of the vote. Sometimes I think Libertarians like to make a lot of noise and act like they're smarter than everyone else, but when they get in the voting booth they vote Republican every time. Heck, I don't know anybody who claims to be in the Green Party (and I live in liberal California), yet they get more votes than Libertarians. If Gary Johnson couldn't do better against Trump than he did, then I think the Libertarian Party will never be more than an insignificant footnote.


BoytonBrother - 1/25/2019 at 11:51 AM

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the Party of the "People" would rather see some people end up homeless and without food than to give President Trump one penny for his wall. Nice.


“The hostage negotiator would rather see the bank customer die than give the bank robber cash and a helicopter. Nice.”

If you look at this ink blot and direct your ire at the Democrats, then you are clearly bigoted against a certain political affiliation.


BIGV - 1/25/2019 at 04:34 PM

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the Party of the "People" would rather see some people end up homeless and without food than to give President Trump one penny for his wall. Nice.


“The hostage negotiator would rather see the bank customer die than give the bank robber cash and a helicopter. Nice.”


You do realize that there are a good percentage of Voters who see Pelosi and Schumer as the "Hostage negotiators"? They have an equal opportunity to end this, but choose to wear their disdain on their collars.


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If you look at this ink blot and direct your ire at the Democrats, then you are clearly bigoted against a certain political affiliation.


And your feelings toward Republicans? Ask yourself if the shoe fits?

You are amazing.


BoytonBrother - 1/25/2019 at 05:28 PM

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And your feelings toward Republicans? Ask yourself if the shoe fits?

You are amazing.


Not true at all. I was ready to vote Republican in 2016, until they chose the one guy who was attacking America and praising foreign adversaries at the time - I couldn't stomach that treasonous language. I like George W. Bush. I respect traditional conservative family values. I don't agree with Republican politics, but I'll gladly vote for them if they present the stronger candidate. Dismiss it if you want, but it's the truth. As for the past 2 years, yes, I'm ashamed of the Republicans in Washington who cower and turn a blind eye to the poison in the White House. Shame on them, and shame on the people who vote for this crap - sometimes you gotta put personal interests and emotions aside and do what's right - this does not belong in our White House, period. Why didn't republican voters choose Chris Christie? What about Kasich? Bush? Show me a good Republican leader like George W. Bush, and he's got my vote in 2 seconds.


BIGV - 1/25/2019 at 06:01 PM

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Why didn't republican voters choose Chris Christie? What about Kasich? Bush? Show me a good Republican leader like George W. Bush, and he's got my vote in 2 seconds.


I voted for Obama in '08, believed in the possibility of real change....Returned to the Libertarian ticket after that. I believe that for a lot of Voters President Trump was the outsider, the "Take no Prisoners, accept no more biz as usual type of Candidate" where, imo, Bush always looked he was going to cry, Kasich seemed angry and Christie couldn't take care of himself....


MartinD28 - 1/25/2019 at 06:41 PM

For those who want to blame the Dems or place blame equally, take a look at any number of polling results and see if that is reflective of the truth.

From Marketwatch today

"Sixty percent of Americans say Trump bears a great deal of responsibility for the shutdown."

That seems a far cry from a Pelosi or Schumer blame stat.

Most polls have Trump's approval rating at mid 30's now.


MartinD28 - 1/25/2019 at 06:47 PM

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Why didn't republican voters choose Chris Christie? What about Kasich? Bush? Show me a good Republican leader like George W. Bush, and he's got my vote in 2 seconds.


I voted for Obama in '08, believed in the possibility of real change....Returned to the Libertarian ticket after that. I believe that for a lot of Voters President Trump was the outsider, the "Take no Prisoners, accept no more biz as usual type of Candidate" where, imo, Bush always looked he was going to cry, Kasich seemed angry and Christie couldn't take care of himself....


So do you think Trump's no more biz as usual has been good for America, inclusive of all Americans, positive for foreign relations with our allies, devoid of questionable dealings with enemy nations, managing debt, clean & swamp draining, & putting qualified individuals (the best people) in key positions?

Record turnover in resignations in appointments & resignations by Generals?


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 01:08 AM

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For those who want to blame the Dems or place blame equally, take a look at any number of polling results and see if that is reflective of the truth.


Polls!...The same ones that said Hillary would win in a landslide?


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 01:15 AM

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So do you think Trump's no more biz as usual has been good for America


As I have done with preceding Presidents from Ford, through Obama, my answer is "I do not know, it's too soon to tell". I believe you judge the White House as terms are completed, I've always thought that. Now some may disagree, especially if disgust is the driving factor.


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 01:22 AM

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If Gary Johnson couldn't do better against Trump than he did, then I think the Libertarian Party will never be more than an insignificant footnote.


So be it. I believe in less Gubmint and the Libertarian Parties platform is the best fit for me and my belief system. Your mileage may vary.

I participate in the process by voting, 2% or 40, You'll find me casting my Vote on Election day, driven by my conscience and what I believe to be right.


sckeys - 1/26/2019 at 01:59 AM

Ive voted libertarian some but they blew the best chance they will ever get in 16. All these dems rolling out this early is crazy but i hope there is an unknown on the way.


nebish - 1/26/2019 at 04:03 AM

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For those who want to blame the Dems or place blame equally, take a look at any number of polling results and see if that is reflective of the truth.

From Marketwatch today

"Sixty percent of Americans say Trump bears a great deal of responsibility for the shutdown."

That seems a far cry from a Pelosi or Schumer blame stat.

Most polls have Trump's approval rating at mid 30's now.


Trump is to blame 100% for the shut down; and unnecessary and misplaced fight - wrong place, wrong time. And I place 100% blame on the Democrats for the length of the shut down. This could've ended the exact same way it did today weeks ago had the Democratic leadership been crafty (or reasonable) enough. Instead they sat it out and let the Republicans and Trump bleed to death. It's fine, they got what they wanted I suppose, but there were other people involved, not just the opposing political party. These people pretend to care about "us" when it is really all about "them".

That is the view from where I sit. Polls can reflect alot of things, but we all have our own perspective, or we should.


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 04:11 AM

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These people pretend to care about "us" when it is really all about "them"..


Exactly, selfish B^%tards all


MartinD28 - 1/26/2019 at 02:07 PM

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For those who want to blame the Dems or place blame equally, take a look at any number of polling results and see if that is reflective of the truth.


Polls!...The same ones that said Hillary would win in a landslide?


Paint strokes and perspective.

Polls - If you look at the polls leading up to the prez election they were statistically much closer for HC / Trump than the polls that were increasingly against Trump / GOP being blamed for shutdown. The gaps were growing by the weeks. So prez poll continually narrowed while shutdown poll continually widened.

I guess you don't think that these numbers that were so statistically significant against Trump's shutdown had anything to do with him caving? Do you think it was his love, empathy, and compassion for the American people that had him do a 180? If that's the case he wouldn't have orchestrated this facade in the first place.


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 03:37 PM

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For those who want to blame the Dems or place blame equally, take a look at any number of polling results and see if that is reflective of the truth.


Polls!...The same ones that said Hillary would win in a landslide?


Paint strokes and perspective.

Polls - If you look at the polls leading up to the prez election they were statistically much closer for HC / Trump than the polls that were increasingly against Trump / GOP being blamed for shutdown. The gaps were growing by the weeks. So prez poll continually narrowed while shutdown poll continually widened.

I guess you don't think that these numbers that were so statistically significant against Trump's shutdown had anything to do with him caving? Do you think it was his love, empathy, and compassion for the American people that had him do a 180? If that's the case he wouldn't have orchestrated this facade in the first place.


Your contempt for all things Trump is equal to my probable ridicule of most actions taken by Clinton had she been elected, so I understand where you are coming from. That being said, please know that my criticism of decisions made by the leadership of the Democratic Party will continue and that questions about that choice will most likely be responded to with an answer you won't agree with.

Enjoy the day


MartinD28 - 1/26/2019 at 04:40 PM

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For those who want to blame the Dems or place blame equally, take a look at any number of polling results and see if that is reflective of the truth.


Polls!...The same ones that said Hillary would win in a landslide?


Paint strokes and perspective.

Polls - If you look at the polls leading up to the prez election they were statistically much closer for HC / Trump than the polls that were increasingly against Trump / GOP being blamed for shutdown. The gaps were growing by the weeks. So prez poll continually narrowed while shutdown poll continually widened.

I guess you don't think that these numbers that were so statistically significant against Trump's shutdown had anything to do with him caving? Do you think it was his love, empathy, and compassion for the American people that had him do a 180? If that's the case he wouldn't have orchestrated this facade in the first place.


Your contempt for all things Trump is equal to my probable ridicule of most actions taken by Clinton had she been elected, so I understand where you are coming from. That being said, please know that my criticism of decisions made by the leadership of the Democratic Party will continue and that questions about that choice will most likely be responded to with an answer you won't agree with.

Enjoy the day


My criticisms of Trump are based upon his & his campaign's track record leading up to an election (example - Russia relationships) and his two year presidency - verifiable facts, actions, and policies. Your criticism of HC as you stated is based upon "actions taken by Clinton had she been elected". That in itself is a hypothetical premise for something that never came to be. So there really is no equality between "contempt for all things Trump is equal to my (i.e. bigv) probable ridicule of most actions taken by Clinton". She wasn't elected, he was, and he has a track record to be judged upon as President as opposed to someone who wasn't elected and has no record as president to be judged upon.


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 04:43 PM

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My criticisms of Trump are based upon his & his campaign's track record leading up to an election (example - Russia relationships) and his two year presidency - verifiable facts, actions, and policies. Your criticism of HC as you stated is based upon "actions taken by Clinton had she been elected". That in itself is a hypothetical premise for something that never came to be. So there really is no equality between "contempt for all things Trump is equal to my (i.e. bigv) probable ridicule of most actions taken by Clinton". She wasn't elected, he was, and he has a track record to be judged upon as President as opposed to someone who wasn't elected and has no record as president to be judged upon.


Fair enough. Your judgments and criticisms of Political viewpoints and standards are different than mine, I can accept that.

Enjoy the day.


Sang - 1/26/2019 at 05:33 PM

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So be it. I believe in less Gubmint and the Libertarian Parties platform is the best fit for me and my belief system. Your mileage may vary.

I participate in the process by voting, 2% or 40, You'll find me casting my Vote on Election day, driven by my conscience and what I believe to be right.



That's funny - most libertarians I know don't want the Gubmint spending $5.7 billion on a useless wall.....they (for the most part) don't want the Gubmint spending or doing anything.....




https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration

Libertarians believe that if someone is peaceful, they should be welcome to immigrate to the United States.

Libertarians believe that people should be able to travel freely as long as they are peaceful. We welcome immigrants who come seeking a better life. The vast majority of immigrants are very peaceful and highly productive.

Indeed, the United States is a country of immigrants, of all backgrounds and walks of life…some families have just been here for more generations than others. Newcomers bring great vitality to our society.

A truly free market requires the free movement of people, not just products and ideas.

Whether they are from India or Mexico, whether they have advanced degrees or very little education, immigrants have one great thing in common: they bravely left their familiar surroundings in search of a better life. Many are fleeing extreme poverty and violence and are searching for a free and safe place to try to build their lives. We respect and admire their courage and are proud that they see the United States as a place of freedom, stability, and prosperity.

Of course, if someone has a record of violence, credible plans for violence, or acts violently, then Libertarians support blocking their entry, deporting, and/or prosecuting and imprisoning them, depending on the offense.

Libertarians do not support classifying undocumented immigrants as criminals. Our current immigration system is an embarrassment. People who would like to follow the legal procedures are unable to because these procedures are so complex and expensive and lengthy. If Americans want immigrants to enter through legal channels, we need to make those channels fair, reasonable, and accessible.


BoytonBrother - 1/26/2019 at 06:20 PM

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Your judgments and criticisms of Political viewpoints and standards are different than mine, I can accept that.


Why don’t you explore his question instead of bailing when the question is tough? This sounds like you are completely stumped on a response to his logic and reason. When you can’t defend your position, what credibility is left?


BrerRabbit - 1/26/2019 at 06:43 PM

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That's funny - most libertarians I know don't want the Gubmint spending $5.7 billion on a useless wall.....they (for the most part) don't want the Gubmint spending or doing anything.....

https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration

Libertarians believe that if someone is peaceful, they should be welcome to immigrate to the United States.

Libertarians believe that people should be able to travel freely as long as they are peaceful. We welcome immigrants who come seeking a better life. The vast majority of immigrants are very peaceful and highly productive.

Indeed, the United States is a country of immigrants, of all backgrounds and walks of life…some families have just been here for more generations than others. Newcomers bring great vitality to our society.

A truly free market requires the free movement of people, not just products and ideas.

Whether they are from India or Mexico, whether they have advanced degrees or very little education, immigrants have one great thing in common: they bravely left their familiar surroundings in search of a better life. Many are fleeing extreme poverty and violence and are searching for a free and safe place to try to build their lives. We respect and admire their courage and are proud that they see the United States as a place of freedom, stability, and prosperity.

Of course, if someone has a record of violence, credible plans for violence, or acts violently, then Libertarians support blocking their entry, deporting, and/or prosecuting and imprisoning them, depending on the offense.

Libertarians do not support classifying undocumented immigrants as criminals. Our current immigration system is an embarrassment. People who would like to follow the legal procedures are unable to because these procedures are so complex and expensive and lengthy. If Americans want immigrants to enter through legal channels, we need to make those channels fair, reasonable, and accessible.


Thanks for digging this up - this is pretty much exactly my view. I guess I am a Libertarian in many respects.

A truly free market requires the free movement of people, not just products and ideas.

I like the way these folks think!


[Edited on 1/26/2019 by BrerRabbit]


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 10:24 PM

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Your judgments and criticisms of Political viewpoints and standards are different than mine, I can accept that.


Why don’t you explore his question instead of bailing when the question is tough? This sounds like you are completely stumped on a response to his logic and reason. When you can’t defend your position, what credibility is left?


I don't like to argue about politics and prefer to use the Whipping Post as a place to read, drop an opinion and move on. I really don't care how people view that way of doing things; you always have the option of reading what I write, shrugging your shoulders and moving on. The Sun will rise tomorrow either way. Credibility?......Pertaining to a Political view on a Musical website?

As far s Sang raising the Libertarian view on the Wall....No Party is a perfect fit, I am fine with that


nebish - 1/27/2019 at 02:43 PM

I simply don't know how anyone could say "I'm a Libertarian"...or Democrat...or Republican. I never get how someone could so easily find alignment with all their views into one little neat political box.

Personally, I think it is refreshing when we see a self described insert party name here breaks ranks or supports something out of the party norm.

Just picking a side and standing by it or making one's views all fit the positions of one party would be much easier I guess. Personally I think it is counterproductive to one's own exploration and evolving on ideas and principles and is just another way that we become a spiteful and divided society. Isn't there enough of that already with race and religion and gender and income and age...actually what do I know, America must like things that way.


Sang - 1/28/2019 at 12:32 AM

Well yes, we all need someone to look down on.......


nebish - 1/28/2019 at 01:38 PM

Wanted to try and keep the names in the thread to offically declared candidates, but this is a unique exception.

Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz on possible run as independent:

"I feel if I ran as a Democrat I would have to be disingenuous and say things that I don't believe because the party has shifted so far to the left".

Schultz was on 60 minutes last night and will be on CNBC tomorrow.

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Howard Schultz, Former Starbucks Chief, Is Preparing for an Independent 2020 Run

By Andrew Ross Sorkin

Jan. 27, 2019

Howard Schultz, the former chief executive of Starbucks and a self-described “lifelong Democrat,” said Sunday he was preparing to run for president as an independent and had already begun the groundwork required to be on the ballot in all 50 states.

Mr. Schultz, in an interview with The New York Times, said he planned to crisscross the country for the next three months as part of a book tour before deciding whether to enter the race. A billionaire, Mr. Schultz would face a difficult road despite his considerable wealth: Few independent candidates have mounted successful challenges for the White House.

“We have a broken political system with both parties basically in business to preserve their own ideology without a recognition and responsibility to represent the interests of the American people,” Mr. Schultz said in the interview.

“Republicans and Democrats alike — who no longer see themselves as part of the far extreme of the far right and the far left — are looking for a home,” he added. “The word ‘independent,’ for me, is simply a designation on the ballot.”

Mr. Schultz was also featured in a segment on “60 Minutes” on Sunday night ahead of the publication of his new book, “From the Ground Up,” in which he criticized President Trump as “not qualified to be the president.”

The possibility of Mr. Schultz’s candidacy as an independent has drawn condemnation from Democrats, who said that an independent run would split the vote on Election Day 2020 and hand Mr. Trump a second term.

“I have two words for Howard Schultz on a potential run for president as an independent: Just don’t,” Tina Podlodowski, chairwoman of the state Democratic Party of Washington, said last week as speculation mounted about Mr. Schultz’s plans.

Neera Tanden, president of the Center for American Progress and a former adviser to Hillary Clinton, said on Twitter, “If he enters the race, I will start a Starbucks boycott because I’m not giving a penny that will end up in the election coffers of a guy who will help Trump win.”

Mr. Schultz said he was well aware of the criticism, but said it was misplaced.

“I am certainly prepared for the cynics and the naysayers to come out and say this cannot be done,” he said. “I don’t agree with them. I think it’s un-American to say it can’t be done. I’m not doing this to be a spoiler.”

Asked if he would consider changing his mind and run as a Democrat, he said, “I feel if I ran as a Democrat I would have to be disingenuous and say things that I don’t believe because the party has shifted so far to the left.”

“When I hear people espousing free government-paid college, free government-paid health care and a free government job for everyone — on top of a $21 trillion debt — the question is, how are we paying for all this and not bankrupting the country?” Mr. Schultz said.

“It’s as big of a false narrative as the wall,” he added. “Doesn’t someone have to speak the truth about what we can afford while maintaining a deep level of compassion and empathy for the American people?”

Mr. Schultz, who grew up in the public housing projects in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn, became a billionaire by building Starbucks from seven stores in Seattle into a global coffee chain with over 350,000 employees. He was known as a progressive corporate leader, offering full health benefits for full- and part-time employees and their domestic partners, and Starbucks became the first privately owned American company to include part-time workers in its stock-option program.

With an estimated net worth of $3.3 billion, Mr. Schultz, 65, is one of several billionaires who had been mentioned as possible presidential contenders.

The former hedge fund titan Tom Steyer, who had been eyeing a run, announced this month he would focus his energies on a private effort to impeach Mr. Trump. Michael R. Bloomberg, the former New York City mayor, is contemplating a presidential run as a Democrat.

Even before Mr. Schultz’s announcement, Senator Bernie Sanders and Democrats including Senator Elizabeth Warren, who has already announced her candidacy, had delivered pre-emptive strikes at billionaires, specifically citing those who self-fund their campaigns.
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Mr. Bloomberg, with an estimated net worth of nearly $48 billion, has said he would self-fund any campaign. Mr. Schultz is expected to fund some of his own campaign, but would also likely seek public donations for a race that could cost more than $1 billion.

Mr. Schultz’s consideration of entering the race as an independent evokes the 1992 campaign by the eccentric Texas billionaire Ross Perot, also a political neophyte. Mr. Perot, for a time, was the leader in the polls and gained almost 19 percent of the popular vote, the most for an independent candidate since Theodore Roosevelt in 1912.

Like Mr. Schultz, Mr. Perot expressed concern about the national debt and vowed to reduce it. Mr. Perot failed to win any electoral votes.

Mr. Schultz, who pointed to a recent Gallup poll showing that 42 percent of voters identified as politically independent, scoffed at the comparisons to previous efforts of independent candidates.

“This is a very different time in America today in terms of how divided we are and the need for the country to come together,” he said. “I’ve done the work this year to unequivocally remove, if I decide to run, any concern regarding ballot access.”

Mr. Schultz is relying in part on a small team of outside advisers, including Steve Schmidt, the former campaign strategist for John McCain’s 2008 presidential effort.

Mr. Schultz’s success or failure may lie in who emerges as a top contender in the Democratic Party. If Joseph R. Biden Jr., who is seen as a moderate, decides to run, it would probably make it difficult for Mr. Schultz. However, he said he sees a clear opportunity if a far-left candidate emerges.

“If you have a choice between President Trump and a far-left progressive Democrat,” he said, “many people think President Trump will get re-elected.”

Stephanie Saul contributed reporting.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/us/politics/howard-schultz-president-202 0.html


nebish - 1/28/2019 at 03:57 PM

Julian Castro on Jake Taper 1/27/19 (video)
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/01/27/sotu-castro-full.cnn

Kamala Harris campaign kickoff transcript:

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Transcript: Kamala Harris kicks off presidential campaign in Oakland
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Posted: Jan 27 2019 02:57PM PST

Updated: Jan 27 2019 04:47PM PST

Transcript from Kamala Harris' presidential campaign kickoff speech in Oakland, California on January 27, 2019.

I am so proud to be a daughter of Oakland, California. And as most of you know, I was born just up the road at Kaiser Hospital. And it was just a few miles away my parents first met as graduate students at UC Berkeley where they were active in the civil rights movement.

They were born half a world apart from each other. My father, Donald, came from Jamaica to study economics. My mother, Shyamala, came from India to study the science of fighting disease.

They came here in pursuit of more than just knowledge. Like so many others, they came in pursuit of a dream. And that dream was a dream for themselves, for me and for my sister Maya.

As children growing up here in the East Bay, we were raised by a community with a deep belief in the promise of our country – and, a deep understanding of the parts of that promise that still remain unfulfilled.

We were raised in a community where we were taught to see a world, beyond just ourselves. To be conscious and compassionate about the struggles of all people.

We were raised to believe public service is a noble cause and the fight for justice is everyone’s responsibility.

In fact, my mother used to say "don't sit around and complain about things, do something.” Basically I think she was saying. You’ve got to get up and stand up and don’t give up the fight!

And it is this deep-rooted belief that inspired me to become a lawyer and a prosecutor.

It was just a couple blocks from this very spot that nearly 30 years ago as a young district attorney I walked into the courtroom for the very first time and said the five words that would guide my life’s work:

“Kamala Harris, for the people.”

Now, I knew our criminal justice system was deeply flawed.

But I also knew the profound impact law enforcement has on people’s lives, and it's responsibility to give them safety and dignity.

I knew I wanted to protect people.

And I knew that the people in our society who are most often targeted by predators are also most often the voiceless and vulnerable.

And I believed then as I do now, that no one should be left to fight alone.

You see, in our system of justice, we believe that a harm against any one of us is a har against all of us. That’s why when we file a case, it’s not filed in the name of the victim. It reads, “The People.”

This is a point I have often explained to console and counsel survivors of crime, people who faced great harm. Often at the hands of someone they trust – be it a relative or a bank or a big corporation.

I would remind them. You are not invisible. We all stand together.

That’s the power of the people.

My whole life, I’ve only had one client: the people.

Fighting for the people meant fighting on behalf of survivors of sexual assault - a fight not just against predators but a fight against silence and stigma.

For the people meant fighting for a more fair criminal justice system.

At a time when prevention and redemption were not in the vocabulary or mindset of most district attorneys, we created an initiative to get skills and job training instead of jail time for young people arrested for drugs.

For the people meant fighting for middle class families who had been defrauded by banks and were losing their homes by the millions in the Great Recession.

And I'll tell you, sitting across the table from the big banks, I witnessed the arrogance of power. Wealthy bankers accusing innocent homeowners of fault, as if Wall Street’s mess was of the people’s making.

So we went after the five biggest banks in the United States. We won 20 billion dollars for California homeowners and together we passed the strongest anti-foreclosure law in the United States of America. We did that together.

For the people meant fighting transnational gangs who traffic in drugs and guns and human beings. And I saw their sophistication, their persistence and their ruthlessness.

And folks, on the subject of transnational gangs, let’s be perfectly clear: the President's medieval vanity project is not going to stop them.

And in the fight for the people to hold this administration accountable, I have seen the amazing spirit of the American people.

During the health care fight, I saw parents and children with grave illnesses walk the halls of the United States Congress, families who had travelled across the country at incredible sacrifice.

They came to our nation’s capital believing that if their stories were heard, and if they were seen, their leaders would do the right thing.

I saw the same thing with our Dreamers. They came by the thousands. By plane, train and automobile. I’m sure they were sleeping ten-deep on someone’s living room floor.

They came because they believe in our democracy and the only country they’ve ever known as home.

I met survivors who shared their deepest, most painful personal experiences – who told stories they had never before revealed, even to their closest loved ones – because they believed that if they were seen, that their leaders would do the right thing and protect the highest court in our land.

Together we took on these battles.

To be sure we’ve won and we’ve lost, but we’ve never stopped fighting.

And that’s why we are here today.

We are here because we have another battle ahead.

We are here knowing that we are at an inflection point in the history of our world.

We are at an inflection point in in the history of our nation.

We are here because the American Dream and our American democracy are under attack and on the line like never before.

We are here at this moment in time because we must answer a fundamental question.

Who are we? Who are we as Americans?

So, let’s answer that question. To the world. And each other. Right here. And, right now.

America, we are better than this.

When we have leaders who lie and bully and attack a free press and undermine our democratic institutions that’s not our America.

When white supremacists march and murder in Charlottesville or massacre innocent worshipers at a Pittsburgh synagogue that’s not our America.

When we have children in cages crying for their mothers and fathers, don't you dare call it border security, that’s a human rights abuse and that’s not our America.

When we have leaders who attack public schools and vilify public school teachers that’s not our America.

When bankers who crashed our economy get bonuses but workers who brought our country back can't even get a raise that’s not our America.

And when American families are barely living paycheck to paycheck, what is this administration’s response?

Their response is to try to take away health care from millions of families.

Their response is to give away a trillion dollars to the biggest corporations in this country.

And their response is to blame immigrants as the source of all our problems.

And guys lets understand what is happening here: People in power are trying to convince us that the villain in our American story is each other.

But that is not our story. That is not who we are. That’s not our America.

Our United States of America is not about us versus them. It’s about We the people!

And in this moment, we must all speak truth about what’s happening.

Seek truth, speak truth and fight for the truth.

So let's speak some truth. Shall we?

Let’s speak truth about our economy. Our economy today is not working for working people.

The cost of living is going up, but paychecks aren't keeping up.

For so many Americans, a decent retirement feels out of reach and the American Dream feels out of touch.

The truth, is our people are drowning in debt.

Record student loan debt. Car loan debt. Credit card debt. Resorting to payday lenders because you can’t keep up with the bills.

People are drowning in America.

We have a whole generation of Americans living with the sinking fear that they won't do as well as their parents.

Let’s speak another truth about our economy. Women are paid on average 80 cents on the dollar. Black women, 63 cents. Latinas, 53 cents.

And here’s the thing. When we lift up the women of our country, we lift up the children of our country. We lift up the families of our country. And the whole of society benefits.

Let's speak another truth. Big pharmaceutical companies have unleashed an opioid crisis from the California coast to the mountains of West Virginia. And people once and for all we have got to call drug addiction for what it is: a national public health emergency. And we don't need another War on Drugs.

Let’s speak truth. Climate change is real and it is happening now. From wildfires In the west to hurricanes in the east, to floods and droughts in the heartland, we're not gonna buy the lie. We're gonna act, based on science fact, not science fiction.

And let’s speak an uncomfortable but honest truth with one another: racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, transphobia are real in this country. They are age-old forms of hate with new fuel. And we need to speak that truth so we can deal with it.

Let’s speak the truth that too many unarmed black men and women are killed in America. Too many black and brown Americans are locked up. From mass incarceration to cash bail to policing, our criminal justice system needs drastic repair. Let’s speak that truth.

Let’s speak truth. Under this administration, America’s position in the world has never been weaker. Democratic values are under attack around the globe. When authoritarianism is on the march. When nuclear proliferation is on the rise. We have foreign powers infecting the White House like malware. Let us speak truth about these clear and present dangers.

And let’s speak the biggest truth, the biggest truth of all: In the face of powerful forces trying to sow hate and division among us, the truth is that as Americans we have much more in common than what separates us. Let’s speak that truth.

So, let's not buy into that stuff that they are trying to peddle. Let's never forget, that on the fundamental issues, we all have so much more in common than what separates us.

You know, some say we need to search to find that common ground. Here’s what I say, I say we need to recognize that we are already standing on common ground.

I say we will rise together or we will fall together as one nation, indivisible.

And I want to be perfectly clear: I'm not talking about unity for the sake of unity. Hear me out. I'm not talking about unity for the sake of unity.

I'm not talking about some façade of unity.

And I believe we must acknowledge that the word unity has often been used to shut people up or to preserve the status quo.

After all let’s remember: when women fought for suffrage, those in power said they were dividing the sexes and disturbing the peace.

Let’s remember: when abolitionists spoke out and civil rights workers marched, their oppressors said they were dividing the races and violating the word of God.

But Fredrick Douglass said it best and Harriet Tubman and Dr. King knew.

To love the religion of Jesus is to hate the religion of the slave master.

When we have true unity, no one will be subjugated for others. It’s about fighting for a country with equal treatment, collective purpose and freedom for all.

That’s who we are.

And so, I stand before you today, clear-eyed about the fight ahead and what has to be done—with faith in God, with fidelity to country, and with the fighting spirit I got from my mother. I stand before you today to announce my candidacy for President of the United States.

I’m running for president because I love my country. I love my country.

I’m running to be president, of the people, by the people, and for all people.

I’m running to fight for an America where the economy works for working people.

For an America where you only have to work one job to pay the bills, where hard work is rewarded and where any worker can join a union.

I am running to declare, once and for all, that health care is a fundamental right, and we will deliver that right with Medicare for All!

I am running to declare education is a fundamental right, and we will guarantee that right with universal pre-k and debt free college!

I am running to guarantee working and middle class families an overdue pay increase. We will deliver the largest working and middle-class tax cut in a generation. Up to $500 a month to help America's families make ends meet.

And we’ll pay for it by reversing this administration’s give aways to big corporations and the top one percent.

I’m running to fight for an America where our democracy and its institutions are protected against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Which is why I will defend this nation against all threats to our cybersecurity.

We will secure our elections and our critical infrastructure to protect our democracy.

And we will honor our service members and veterans – so no one who has served this country has to wait in line for weeks and months to get what they are owed when they return home on first day.

I’m running to fight for an America where no mother or father has to teach their young son that people may stop him, arrest him, chase him, or kill him, because of his race.

An America where every parent can send their children to school without being haunted by the horror of another killing spree.

Where we treat attacks on voting rights and civil rights and women’s rights and immigrant rights as attacks on our country itself.

An America where we welcome refugees and bring people out of the shadows, and provide a pathway to citizenship.

An America where our daughters, where our sisters, where our mothers and grandmothers are respected where they live and where they work.

Where reproductive rights are not just protected by the Constitution of the United States but guaranteed in every state.

I’ll fight for an America where we keep our word and where we honor our promises.

Because that’s our America.

That’s the America I believe in.

That’s the America I know we believe in.
And as we embark on this campaign, I will tell you this: I am not perfect. Lord knows, I am not perfect. But I will always speak with decency and moral clarity and treat all people with dignity and respect. I will lead with integrity. And I will speak the truth.

And of course, we know this is not going to be easy guys. It’s not going to be easy.
We know what the doubters will say.

It’s the same thing they've always said.

They’ll say it’s not your time. They’ll say wait your turn. They’ll say the odds are long. They’ll say it can’t be done.

But America’s story has always been written by people who can see what can be unburdened by what has been. That is our story. That is our story.
As Robert Kennedy many years ago said, “Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly.”

He also said, “I do not lightly dismiss the dangers and the difficulties of challenging an incumbent President, but these are not ordinary times and this is not an ordinary election.” He said, "At stake is not simply the leadership of our party and even our country. It is our right to moral leadership of this planet.”

So today I say to you my friends, these are not ordinary times. And this will not be an ordinary election. But this is our America.

And here’s the thing. It’s up to us.

It’s up to us. Each and every one of us.

So let's remember in this fight we have the power of the people.

We can achieve the dreams of our parents and grandparents.

We can heal our nation.

We can give our children the future they deserve.

We can reclaim the American Dream for every single person in our country.

We can restore America’s moral leadership on this planet.

So let’s do this.

And let’s do it together.

And let's start now.

Thank you. God bless you. And God bless the United States of America.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/transcript-kamala-harris-kicks-off-presidential-ca mpaign-in-oakland



2112 - 1/28/2019 at 05:33 PM

Kamala Harris had 20,000 at her rally yesterday. Very impressive. And to see the comments from those on the right tell me they are worried about her. Apparently they are still mad that she asked tough questions to Kavanaugh. When they are mad at you for doing your job, you must be doing something right. Still not my first choice, but I'm starting to think that she will be one of the top 2 or 3 contenders for the nomination.


Chain - 1/28/2019 at 10:07 PM

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Kamala Harris had 20,000 at her rally yesterday. Very impressive. And to see the comments from those on the right tell me they are worried about her. Apparently they are still mad that she asked tough questions to Kavanaugh. When they are mad at you for doing your job, you must be doing something right. Still not my first choice, but I'm starting to think that she will be one of the top 2 or 3 contenders for the nomination.


The Right should be afraid of her.....I think people relate to her and her life story and know she's a sharp, tough, experienced attorney who not only has a very impressive record as a prosecutor, but has successfully administered large organizations of professionals. In other words, qualified to run a branch of government (unlike the current occupant of the White House).

Also, as witnessed in her questioning of Kavanaugh, she's also thoughtful, calm, and determined. One other thing in her favor is that the Right hasn't had a decade or two to demonize her like they did Hilary Clinton. In this sense she's similar to Obama. They couldn't successfully demonize him and they may not be able to do so with Kamala Harris.

However, I'm sure Newt, Rush Limp dick, Coulter, etc. are all digging for something they can throw at her and hope sticks.


crazyjoe - 1/29/2019 at 02:45 AM

Getting ready to watch the Kamala Harris town hall, so far I like her......Peace.....joe


sckeys - 1/29/2019 at 04:15 AM

The angry white men are all over themselves since Cortez came along. Shes perfect for them to spew their hate at.


nebish - 1/29/2019 at 03:39 PM

Unfortunately I fell asleep at about 9:30 and didn't remember to record the town hall. Will have to catch up.

I think it is interesting how people are lashing out at Schultz. If he said he would be considering to run as a Democrat the narrative would be totally different. Whether or not he is a viable candidate either as an I or as a D, I hear him being minimized...as an MSNBC guest on Hayes' show said "he has no constituency". Sure I get that a block of the left resents and does not want an uber wealthy candidate running (see Bloomberg) and the party is being pushed strongly further left, but I feel if he would've said he would possibly run as a Democrat he would be reported on and viewed much differently.

Also, nobody is mentioning the fact that Trump himself my face challenges in the primary, or even in the general ~ is he even going to end up on the ballot with the Mueller stuff and all this time between now and then (643 days), SOOOO many things can happen that damage or impede Trump's reelection; I don't like seeing a potentially interesting candidate get disregarded like this....unless he is just doing it for publicity to sell books?


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2019 at 03:46 PM

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The angry white men are all over themselves since Cortez came along. Shes perfect for them to spew their hate at.


Kamala, Ocasio-Cortez, Beto, the horror! I can see their brains short-circuiting. Didn’t some idiot post here recently “Democrats won’t elect a white Christian male anymore”, lol. 2 elections out of 45 and that guy has his panties in a wad about race (but we didn’t hear BIGV mention the race-baiting there. Instead he applauded it). What a weak-minded fool that poster was.


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 03:54 PM

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The angry white men are all over themselves since Cortez came along. Shes perfect for them to spew their hate at.


I've a serious question. Must you be angry and white to call out stupidity and ignorance?

The woman is not very bright


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 04:00 PM

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(but we didn’t hear BIGV mention the race-baiting there. Instead he applauded it).


Why is it always you who mentions race?....Are we not past this?.....Seeing Politicians as people; simply Men and Women with different thoughts? Either you agree with Ideologies and platforms or you do not. Why mention the color of one's skin?


StratDal - 1/29/2019 at 04:26 PM

I enjoyed Schultz's 60 Minutes interview. He sounds like a smart man that is grounded and could find common ground with all sides.

Right now, my first choice would be Bloomberg. He understands politics, business, and working with people. I'd like for him to run as a Republican but it would be difficult getting the nomination (would be hard for Santa!) at this time.

Good bet both of them wouldn't be on Twitter 24/7 either.


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2019 at 04:34 PM

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Why is it always you who mentions race?....Are we not past this?.....Seeing Politicians as people; simply Men and Women with different thoughts? Either you agree with Ideologies and platforms or you do not. Why mention the color of one's skin?


I’m curious as to why you didn’t say this when that other poster brought it up in his lengthy post about race.


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 04:41 PM

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Why is it always you who mentions race?....Are we not past this?.....Seeing Politicians as people; simply Men and Women with different thoughts? Either you agree with Ideologies and platforms or you do not. Why mention the color of one's skin?


I’m curious as to why you didn’t say this when that other poster brought it up in his lengthy post about race.


Because you do it with the most consistency and defend it while doing so with the utmost of enthusiasm.


sckeys - 1/29/2019 at 04:55 PM

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The angry white men are all over themselves since Cortez came along. Shes perfect for them to spew their hate at.


I've a serious question. Must you be angry and white to call out stupidity and ignorance?

The woman is not very bright


That may well be true, its just that all the hate ive seen directed at her has come from old white dudes. There is Larry Elder, the African American who seems to just have distain for Mexicans.


MartinD28 - 1/29/2019 at 05:18 PM

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The angry white men are all over themselves since Cortez came along. Shes perfect for them to spew their hate at.


I've a serious question. Must you be angry and white to call out stupidity and ignorance?

The woman is not very bright


Or maybe you just don't agree with her viewpoints and consider her to not be bright because of that?


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2019 at 05:31 PM

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Because you do it with the most consistency and defend it while doing so with the utmost of enthusiasm.


That answers why you call me out on it, but it doesn't answer my previous question. I guess I don't understand the point of dodging questions from me and others here, and call it "arguing".

quote:
The woman is not very bright


What an ignorant pompous way to speak.


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 05:38 PM

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quote:
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The angry white men are all over themselves since Cortez came along. Shes perfect for them to spew their hate at.


I've a serious question. Must you be angry and white to call out stupidity and ignorance?

The woman is not very bright


Or maybe you just don't agree with her viewpoints and consider her to not be bright because of that?


Watch her videos and listen to the lack of knowledge on all things historic. Her diction; not too much intellectual agility here. Zero understanding of finances. The message becomes secondary when you can't get through the delivery .

I repeat, watch her videos, particularly when she is being interviewed


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 05:41 PM

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Because you do it with the most consistency and defend it while doing so with the utmost of enthusiasm.


That answers why you call me out on it, but it doesn't answer my previous question. I guess I don't understand the point of dodging questions from me and others here, and call it "arguing".

quote:
The woman is not very bright


What an ignorant pompous way to speak.


What a charming response.

Go ahead, get in the last word.....lol


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2019 at 06:05 PM

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Go ahead, get in the last word.


Anyone else ever notice this odd response from him all the time? Anyway, why must it be the last word? I have more questions for you to dodge.

quote:
Watch her videos and listen to the lack of knowledge on all things historic. Her diction; not too much intellectual agility here. Zero understanding of finances.


What interviews are you watching? Any links of this behavior you describe? Because I've only seen her come off as intelligent and unique....that whole ink-blot test thing again....I wonder what it is.

quote:
The message becomes secondary when you can't get through the delivery


Putting the content of the message second summarizes you perfectly!




sckeys - 1/29/2019 at 06:32 PM

I wasnt directing my comments to anyone on here personally as that is never my intenion. As we know,, SC, where i live is fire truck red. ive been observing the land of the angry white man for many years up close.
Even when we go rounds with mule n goob i dont get personal or consider them bad. Bad Shine can do strange things to folks.


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 06:36 PM

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I wasnt directing my comments to anyone on here personally as that is never my intenion. As we know,, SC, where i live is fire truck red. ive been observing the land of the angry white man for many years up close.
Even when we go rounds with mule n goob i dont get personal or consider them bad. Bad Shine can do strange things to folks.


Where in S.C.? My Mother's family is from Savannah, Ga. and I spent quite a few childhood summers in Bluffton, S.C. on the May River.


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2019 at 06:57 PM

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As we know,, SC, where i live is fire truck red. ive been observing the land of the angry white man for many years up close.


They exist in every state and every city, unfortunately. And there’s no motivation among them to evolve to a rational thought about it. They willfully choose to be lazy and simple.


sckeys - 1/29/2019 at 07:36 PM

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I wasnt directing my comments to anyone on here personally as that is never my intenion. As we know,, SC, where i live is fire truck red. ive been observing the land of the angry white man for many years up close.
Even when we go rounds with mule n goob i dont get personal or consider them bad. Bad Shine can do strange things to folks.


Where in S.C.? My Mother's family is from Savannah, Ga. and I spent quite a few childhood summers in Bluffton, S.C. on the May River.


Im in the upstate, near Sburg. Im trying to place Bluffton. I can see the dang sign. I think lower state. Savannah is about 5 hrs but it seems like days for some reason. I used to go there for St PAt day.

[Edited on 1/29/2019 by sckeys]


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2019 at 08:03 PM

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Watch her videos and listen to the lack of knowledge on all things historic.


You are not qualified to know this, so what does it mean then?

quote:
Her diction; not too much intellectual agility here.


Making an assumption about her based on her speech are we? That's prejudiced.

quote:
Zero understanding of finances.


Not qualified to know this either - just more bias against her and her political affiliation.

quote:
The message becomes secondary when you can't get through the delivery .


No, YOU can't get through the delivery because of an accent. Others can get through it just fine. To dismiss her message because of her accent is so blatantly ignorant and bigoted, but I respect your honesty about it. Thanks for offering the last word.


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 08:18 PM

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quote:
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I wasnt directing my comments to anyone on here personally as that is never my intenion. As we know,, SC, where i live is fire truck red. ive been observing the land of the angry white man for many years up close.
Even when we go rounds with mule n goob i dont get personal or consider them bad. Bad Shine can do strange things to folks.


Where in S.C.? My Mother's family is from Savannah, Ga. and I spent quite a few childhood summers in Bluffton, S.C. on the May River.


Im in the upstate, near Sburg. Im trying to place Bluffton. I can see the dang sign. I think lower state. Savannah is about 5 hrs but it seems like days for some reason. I used to go there for St PAt day.



Nice. Savannah celebrates St Patties like no other!.. Bay street, damn fun spot. Bluffton just east of Beaufort and South of Hilton Head.

Spartanburg as in home of MTB?


sckeys - 1/30/2019 at 12:21 AM

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I wasnt directing my co Savannah is about 5 hrs but it seems like days for some reason. I used to go there for St PAt day.



Nice. Savannah celebrates








Spartanburg as in home of MTB?



Yea, same place. I dont get out like i used to but for a small place its always had a good music scene. I first seen Govt Mule there in 95 i think it was. I


BoytonBrother - 1/31/2019 at 03:06 PM

I’ll tell you what, it may not matter who the Democrat candidates are. If reports are true that Republicans in Washington are turning on Trump, then I’d be worried if I were one of them. If a Republican senator stands up to Trump, takes him down, and restores foreign relations authority, then the Democrats are going to have a very difficult time defeating a “conservative leader that stood up to Trump, cleaned the filth that tarnished the Republican Party image, and restored dignity and class like the Reagan day’s”, it’ll be almost impossible to beat. He/she would be hailed as a hero, even among the left. I’d vote for that character and backbone over any of the Democrat candidates so far, especially if all they do is bash Trump during their campaigns.


Chain - 1/31/2019 at 03:55 PM

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I’ll tell you what, it may not matter who the Democrat candidates are. If reports are true that Republicans in Washington are turning on Trump, then I’d be worried if I were one of them. If a Republican senator stands up to Trump, takes him down, and restores foreign relations authority, then the Democrats are going to have a very difficult time defeating a “conservative leader that stood up to Trump, cleaned the filth that tarnished the Republican Party image, and restored dignity and class like the Reagan day’s”, it’ll be almost impossible to beat. He/she would be hailed as a hero, even among the left. I’d vote for that character and backbone over any of the Democrat candidates so far, especially if all they do is bash Trump during their campaigns.


I'm not sure he/she would be a hero but only someone who finally put the country and the presidency above their own self interests. I think many on the left, middle, and also the right may feel that Republicans waited far too long to take Trump to task for what he's potentially done to the country. In other words, a too little too late kind of thing.

I would also add that issues like health care, saving the middle class, huge tax cuts for the rich, etc. have energized enough voters that no matter what a Republican does to Trump, these issues may overshadow simply standing up to an incompetent and dangerous bully...

I agree, however, that the Democrat who wins the nomination needs to offer substantive ideas and pragmatic plans to address these very issues....Just bashing Trump may not be enough.


nebish - 2/1/2019 at 03:20 PM

Cory Booker (announced 2/1/2019)
-49 years old, current US Senator from NJ, former Newark Mayor, Rhodes Scholar
https://corybooker.com/

Marianne Williamson (announced 1/28/2019)
-66 years old, author, teacher and activist, lost California Congressional election in 2014 as an Independent
https://marianne.com/


OriginalGoober - 2/1/2019 at 07:42 PM

Unfortunately Newark, NJ is a very violent place to live and nobody feels safe in many areas there. Corey thinks he is a legend in his own mind but his accomplishments are pretty weak. His biggest assest for lots of democrats is he's been posturing as far left as Pelosi which will translate into a poor campaign because he will not be able to appeal to middle America.

Spartacus 2020


BoytonBrother - 2/1/2019 at 08:58 PM

Those democrats live rent free in your head, don’t they. Must suck.


nebish - 2/8/2019 at 01:39 PM

CNN's second Presidential Town Hall will be with Howard Schultz. Geesh, it would be nice to talk to one of the many who has actually filed with the election committee to run rather than a 'maybe'.


nebish - 2/9/2019 at 09:32 PM

Elizabeth Warren (announced 2/9/19)
- 69, current US Senator from Massachusetts, former law professor with appointments for advising and oversight on bankruptcy and consumer protections
https://elizabethwarren.com/


nebish - 2/11/2019 at 02:39 PM

Amy Klobuchar (announced 2/10/19)
- 58, current US Senator from Minnesota, former county attorney and prosecutor
https://www.amyklobuchar.com/


MartinD28 - 2/11/2019 at 04:18 PM

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CNN's second Presidential Town Hall will be with Howard Schultz. Geesh, it would be nice to talk to one of the many who has actually filed with the election committee to run rather than a 'maybe'.


Agree 100%.

I think CNN did a grab on HS because he probably increases ratings and would be considered the "outsider / spoiler".

I think we should get a town hall of the dozens of potential Dems or at least once they announce, as well as Trump and the possibly 1 or 2 GOP candidates should they challenge the "great one" or unless he's found to be damaged goods beyond what he was in 2015 through current.


nebish - 2/11/2019 at 04:29 PM

Yeah, that is what it is. Schultz was the guy everyone was talking about, for the wrong reasons, but CNN is likely just trying to capitalize on a person that might generate more interest and viewers.

I know some of these candidates have made the rounds of being guests on the various shows, but I would really like to see them give equal time to all of them rather than cherry picking.


BIGV - 2/11/2019 at 05:15 PM

Regardless of Party affiliation, it is becoming more difficult in each upcoming Election to get "excited" about any Candidate wishing to live in the White House. All of the people listed by the OP are just "the next group" throwing their hats in the ring. If President Trump has accomplished anything, I think most will agree that he has lowered the standard of who is qualified. Has this really opened a discussion about Oprah Winfrey running for President? Any celebrity is now adequate? Any Politician?...Yikes.

Just as the Republicans did with McCain/Palin in 2008, the Dems will do in 2020, the next group who have "earned" a shot at being President. When was the last time a True "Leader" emerged form any Party? "Roosevelt" in '32?...Kennedy in '60?..Reagan in '80?....Obama in '08?

That is the issue with me. The difference in voting for a Leader or a candidate. No wonder there is so much Voter apathy.


porkchopbob - 2/11/2019 at 05:58 PM

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Just as the Republicans did with McCain/Palin in 2008, the Dems will do in 2020, the next group who have "earned" a shot at being President.


I think the Dems already did this with Hilary in 2016, and Gore in 2000. I think 2020 will actually be a reaction to 2016's primaries for Democratic voters and we will see a fresh face emerge. And it won't be Oprah.


BoytonBrother - 2/11/2019 at 06:08 PM

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CNN is likely just trying to capitalize on a person that might generate more interest and viewers.


I hope everyone ignores the 24-hour cable news outlets for reasons exactly like this. Network news is unlikely to pull shenanigans like this since they have other programming responsibilities.


nebish - 2/18/2019 at 02:17 PM

Amy Klobuchar CNN Townhall tonight from New Hampshire.


cyclone88 - 2/19/2019 at 01:29 PM

And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.

I'm not a politico and perhaps I'm naive, but don't these guys know when it's time to give it up and become elder statemen/advisers to younger, fresher candidates? It's purely ego driven.

Age matters. As 81-year-old Jack Nicholson recently said, "My days of having any woman I wanted are OVER. I don't like it, but I'm realistic. I'm not going to make a fool of myself."


BIGV - 2/19/2019 at 10:36 PM

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And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.


YeeHa! The Champion of free stuff rides again.


Sang - 2/19/2019 at 10:50 PM

You mean free stuff for people instead of corporations? LOL


MartinD28 - 2/19/2019 at 10:54 PM

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And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.


YeeHa! The Champion of free stuff rides again.


Maybe Bernie will propose a middle class tax cut where many in the middle class end up paying more, and it blows up the deficit. Oh...I forgot that successful sham already has an owner.

I guess you're OK with that?


BoytonBrother - 2/19/2019 at 11:13 PM

quote:
YeeHa! The Champion of free stuff rides again.


BIGV, I was utterly shocked, shocked I tell ya, that you were arguing in Anything Goes....that’s so not like you to get involved with that, lol.


BIGV - 2/19/2019 at 11:36 PM

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quote:
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And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.


YeeHa! The Champion of free stuff rides again.


Maybe Bernie will propose a middle class tax cut where many in the middle class end up paying more, and it blows up the deficit. Oh...I forgot that successful sham already has an owner.

I guess you're OK with that?


My quote was about Free Health care, Free public college and a higher minimum wage, all things that attract Millennials who have no clue about who ends up paying. Yay!

Can you here the shouts of glee coming from the leaders of the Democratic party?!


MartinD28 - 2/20/2019 at 12:27 AM

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And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.


YeeHa! The Champion of free stuff rides again.


Maybe Bernie will propose a middle class tax cut where many in the middle class end up paying more, and it blows up the deficit. Oh...I forgot that successful sham already has an owner.

I guess you're OK with that?


My quote was about Free Health care, Free public college and a higher minimum wage, all things that attract Millennials who have no clue about who ends up paying. Yay!

Can you here the shouts of glee coming from the leaders of the Democratic party?!


Actually to answer your question - no, I doubt those are attainable, and I doubt you'd hear shouts of glee.

But I see you didn't answer the question I raised.


BIGV - 2/20/2019 at 12:44 AM

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But I see you didn't answer the question I raised.


You answered a statement about Bernie with a question about the President.

The thread title pertains to "Officially Declared Democrat 2020 POTUS Candidates" of which Bernie is now included.....

Let's stay focused here


cyclone88 - 2/20/2019 at 12:46 AM

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And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.

I'm not a politico and perhaps I'm naive, but don't these guys know when it's time to give it up and become elder statemen/advisers to younger, fresher candidates? It's purely ego driven.

Age matters. As 81-year-old Jack Nicholson recently said, "My days of having any woman I wanted are OVER. I don't like it, but I'm realistic. I'm not going to make a fool of myself."


WP, you missed the point. I don't care what Sanders offers or doesn't. He's effing OLD - 79 in Nov. 2020. Give it up. Whisper in some young candidates ear, but go away. Quit diluting the dem pool.

[Edited on 2/20/2019 by cyclone88]


MartinD28 - 2/20/2019 at 01:10 AM

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quote:
But I see you didn't answer the question I raised.


You answered a statement about Bernie with a question about the President.

The thread title pertains to "Officially Declared Democrat 2020 POTUS Candidates" of which Bernie is now included.....

Let's stay focused here



Which was a retort to your accusation about something that even you should know Bernie will not be able to achieve as opposed to an action that the President did achieve and was damaging to many in the middle class - those whom were supposed to benefit so we were led to believe.


MartinD28 - 2/20/2019 at 01:14 AM

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And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.

I'm not a politico and perhaps I'm naive, but don't these guys know when it's time to give it up and become elder statemen/advisers to younger, fresher candidates? It's purely ego driven.

Age matters. As 81-year-old Jack Nicholson recently said, "My days of having any woman I wanted are OVER. I don't like it, but I'm realistic. I'm not going to make a fool of myself."


WP, you missed the point. I don't care what Sanders offers or doesn't. He's effing OLD - 79 in Nov. 2020. Give it up. Whisper in some young candidates ear, but go away. Quit diluting the dem pool.

[Edited on 2/20/2019 by cyclone88]


Agree. Bernie has had his run and made his mark. Time to let others lead the way. I'd be shocked if he has the support this time around.


BIGV - 2/20/2019 at 01:17 AM

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Which was a retort to your accusation about something that even you should know Bernie will not be able to achieve


"Even I should know"...LOL....

How about Bernie?...Think he knows?...Bet it won't stop him from promising it....


OriginalGoober - 2/20/2019 at 01:23 AM

So whats Bernie been up too? How has been spending his millions and millions in campaign contributions from his duped supporters. I say duped because he was never going to challenge the belle of the ball in 2016. He predictably folded like a cheap suit. Now shady's back again. How fun is this going to be to watch all the democrats try to be like the socialist and explain how they want America to be more like Venezuela.


cyclone88 - 2/20/2019 at 01:43 AM

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WP, you missed the point. I don't care what Sanders offers or doesn't. He's effing OLD - 79 in Nov. 2020. Give it up. Whisper in some young candidates ear, but go away. Quit diluting the dem pool


Agree. Bernie has had his run and made his mark. Time to let others lead the way. I'd be shocked if he has the support this time around.


He's lost all the women after the harassment & discrimination claims re his 2016 run. He's tone deaf to what that means.


BIGV - 2/20/2019 at 01:48 AM

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quote:

WP, you missed the point. I don't care what Sanders offers or doesn't. He's effing OLD - 79 in Nov. 2020. Give it up. Whisper in some young candidates ear, but go away. Quit diluting the dem pool


Agree. Bernie has had his run and made his mark. Time to let others lead the way. I'd be shocked if he has the support this time around.


He's lost all the women after the harassment & discrimination claims re his 2016 run. He's tone deaf to what that means.


That being said, watch as he remains an important player right up to the Convention.


2112 - 2/20/2019 at 01:54 AM

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So whats Bernie been up too? How has been spending his millions and millions in campaign contributions from his duped supporters. I say duped because he was never going to challenge the belle of the ball in 2016. He predictably folded like a cheap suit. Now shady's back again. How fun is this going to be to watch all the democrats try to be like the socialist and explain how they want America to be more like Venezuela.


Venezuela? More like Canada and Scandinavia. Why not use socialist states more similar to the US instead of one that is nothing at all like the US?


cyclone88 - 2/20/2019 at 02:14 AM

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He's lost all the women after the harassment & discrimination claims re his 2016 run. He's tone deaf to what that means.


That being said, watch as he remains an important player right up to the Convention.


No, thanks. Women, particularly young women, know he's DOA.


nebish - 2/20/2019 at 04:23 AM

Bernie Sanders (announced 2/19/2019)
- 77, current US Senator from Vermont, self described Democratic Socialist, serving as elected representative in Washington since 1991, former Mayor of Burlington, lost Democrat Nomination 2016
https://berniesanders.com/

Maybe the best thing is we will get more Larry David on SNL.

I really believe that Bernie's time was last cycle. His message has now been picked up and spread throughout the party and he isn't unique anymore really.

Oh, he gets the CNN Townhall treatment next Monday.

[Edited on 2/20/2019 by nebish]


BoytonBrother - 2/20/2019 at 11:59 AM

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Millennials who have no clue about who ends up paying.


I love how people like to bash millennials, to excuse the utter stupidity of the boomers who raised them with their backwards archaic thinking. Typical to point the finger at the pupil rather than the leader. It’s so much easier that way.




[Edited on 2/20/2019 by BoytonBrother]


BoytonBrother - 2/20/2019 at 12:32 PM

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So whats Bernie been up too? How has been spending his millions and millions in campaign contributions from his duped supporters. I say duped because he was never going to challenge the belle of the ball in 2016. He predictably folded like a cheap suit. Now shady's back again. How fun is this going to be to watch all the democrats try to be like the socialist and explain how they want America to be more like Venezuela.


Has Goober jumped the shark? I’ll be honest, I used to get enraged by his posts but I haven’t in a very long time. I think he wants to provoke arguments and probably doesn’t even hate Democrats. This post just seems very fake and insincere because, in all honesty, how can somebody sit at home and feel so strongly about Bernie and Jussie Smollet?


cyclone88 - 3/4/2019 at 01:11 AM

Meet The Dogs of the 2020 Race:

https://qz.com/1552748/meet-the-dogs-of-the-2020-presidential-race/

Trump is the 1st prez in >100 years not to have a dog.

Sanders didn't have a dog in 2016 & still doesn't.


nebish - 3/6/2019 at 06:28 PM

John Hickenlooper (announced 3/4/19)
- 67, two-term Governor of Colorado, former Mayor and entrepreneur
https://www.hickenlooper.com/

Jay Inslee (announced 3/1/19)
- 68, two-term Governor of Washington, former state legislator
https://jayinslee.com/

Other news:
Hillary Clinton, officially not running.
Michael Bloomberg, not running.
Eric Holder, not running.
Jeff Merkley, not running.

quote:
Mr. Bloomberg said he felt his time and personal fortune would be better used promoting immigration reform, gun control and climate change. Mr. Holder wants to continue focusing on ending gerrymandering. Mrs. Clinton, who never seriously pursued a third primary bid, said she would keep “standing up for what I believe.” And Mr. Merkley will seek a third term in the Senate in 2020, after the State Legislature rejected his request to allow him to run for both positions simultaneously.


quote:
“I believe I would defeat Donald Trump in a general election,” Mr. Bloomberg wrote in a column published Tuesday. “But I am cleareyed about the difficulty of winning the Democratic nomination in such a crowded field.”


Kirsten Gillibrand and Pete Buttigieg remain in exploratory status.

[Edited on 3/6/2019 by nebish]


Bhawk - 3/6/2019 at 09:53 PM

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How has been spending his millions and millions in campaign contributions from his duped supporters.



You can't use leftover campaign contributions for personal spending. Against Federal law since 1989.


Chain - 3/6/2019 at 10:37 PM

quote:
John Hickenlooper (announced 3/4/19)
- 67, two-term Governor of Colorado, former Mayor and entrepreneur
https://www.hickenlooper.com/

Jay Inslee (announced 3/1/19)
- 68, two-term Governor of Washington, former state legislator
https://jayinslee.com/

Other news:
Hillary Clinton, officially not running.
Michael Bloomberg, not running.
Eric Holder, not running.
Jeff Merkley, not running.

quote:
Mr. Bloomberg said he felt his time and personal fortune would be better used promoting immigration reform, gun control and climate change. Mr. Holder wants to continue focusing on ending gerrymandering. Mrs. Clinton, who never seriously pursued a third primary bid, said she would keep “standing up for what I believe.” And Mr. Merkley will seek a third term in the Senate in 2020, after the State Legislature rejected his request to allow him to run for both positions simultaneously.


quote:
“I believe I would defeat Donald Trump in a general election,” Mr. Bloomberg wrote in a column published Tuesday. “But I am cleareyed about the difficulty of winning the Democratic nomination in such a crowded field.”


Kirsten Gillibrand and Pete Buttigieg remain in exploratory status.

[Edited on 3/6/2019 by nebish]


I heard a great interview with Pete Buttigieg a week or two ago. He seems to have some great ideas and given he's a mayor that runs a fairly large city, knows how to actually govern beyond simply introducing and pushing legislation.

He's very smart, articulate, a veteran, a gay man, progressive, and very accomplished via his own merit and effort. In other words, everything Donald Trump is not. A great candidate it seems to me and a serious threat to established Democrats from the Senate and House.....


MartinD28 - 3/6/2019 at 11:07 PM

quote:
quote:
John Hickenlooper (announced 3/4/19)
- 67, two-term Governor of Colorado, former Mayor and entrepreneur
https://www.hickenlooper.com/

Jay Inslee (announced 3/1/19)
- 68, two-term Governor of Washington, former state legislator
https://jayinslee.com/

Other news:
Hillary Clinton, officially not running.
Michael Bloomberg, not running.
Eric Holder, not running.
Jeff Merkley, not running.

quote:
Mr. Bloomberg said he felt his time and personal fortune would be better used promoting immigration reform, gun control and climate change. Mr. Holder wants to continue focusing on ending gerrymandering. Mrs. Clinton, who never seriously pursued a third primary bid, said she would keep “standing up for what I believe.” And Mr. Merkley will seek a third term in the Senate in 2020, after the State Legislature rejected his request to allow him to run for both positions simultaneously.


quote:
“I believe I would defeat Donald Trump in a general election,” Mr. Bloomberg wrote in a column published Tuesday. “But I am cleareyed about the difficulty of winning the Democratic nomination in such a crowded field.”


Kirsten Gillibrand and Pete Buttigieg remain in exploratory status.

[Edited on 3/6/2019 by nebish]


I heard a great interview with Pete Buttigieg a week or two ago. He seems to have some great ideas and given he's a mayor that runs a fairly large city, knows how to actually govern beyond simply introducing and pushing legislation.

He's very smart, articulate, a veteran, a gay man, progressive, and very accomplished via his own merit and effort. In other words, everything Donald Trump is not. A great candidate it seems to me and a serious threat to established Democrats from the Senate and House.....


The early primaries will shake out a number of the Dems' crowded field candidates. California has moved up its primary to March, and this seems like a benefit for Kamala Harris.

The name of the game is money and name recognition. Some of the candidates are going to be challenged in these areas. Running & putting an organization together isn't cheap.

[Edited on 3/6/2019 by MartinD28]

[Edited on 3/6/2019 by MartinD28]


nebish - 3/15/2019 at 03:43 PM

Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/


BrerRabbit - 3/15/2019 at 04:56 PM

quote:
Pete Buttigieg


What's in a name?



[Edited on 3/15/2019 by BrerRabbit]


BrerRabbit - 3/17/2019 at 02:21 AM

A truly disturbing idea just occurred to me : What if the backlash produces a liberal version of Trump? Can you even picture whar a creature that would be? Man man oh man - we haven't hit bottom yet.


nebish - 3/18/2019 at 01:27 PM

Kirsten Gillibrand (announced 3/17/2019)
- 52, current US Senator from New York (replaced Hillary Clinton's seat and was reelected twice), former member of US House, lawyer
https://kirstengillibrand.com/


gina - 3/30/2019 at 08:25 PM

Not a Presidential candidate but suprising nonetheless

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-cia-spy-valerie-plame-set-fo r-senate-run-as-democrat/ar-BBVoMvV



gina - 3/30/2019 at 08:32 PM

From the archives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgJAxkALyc


nebish - 4/5/2019 at 01:00 AM

1st qrt fund raising. Required to report by 4/15, some reported early:

Buttigieg (still exploratory status): The 37 year-old mayor of South, Bend Indiana is gaining traction on the national stage, and raised $7 million in 2019's first quarter.

Harris: Raised a total of $12 million from 218,000 donors who gave an average of $55 since announcing her candidacy in January, her campaign said.

O'Rourke: Former Texas Congressman Beto O'Rourke announced raising $9.4 million in the first 18 days of his candidacy, an average of $522,000 per day. His campaign said the average donation size was $43, and 98% of contributions were under $200.

Sanders: Announced bringing in $18.2 million from 525,000 contributors, 99.5% of whom gave $100 or less, in the first six weeks of his campaign.

Yang: Entrepreneur and long-shot presidential candidate Andrew Yang reported raising $1.7 million from 80,000 donors who donated an average of just $17.92 in March and February alone, far outpacing the $659,000 he raised between October 2017 and December 2018

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-money-2020-democrats-candidates-ha ve-raised-fundraising-2019-4


nebish - 4/5/2019 at 01:10 AM

Tim Ryan (announced 4/4/19)
- 45, current and 9 term member of the US House from Ohio, former congressional aide and state Senator
https://timryanforamerica.com/


BIGV - 4/5/2019 at 02:15 PM

quote:
Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/


Curiously arrested for B&E and Drunk Driving, that will be fodder during any possible debate...

Maybe he and the "Groper" Joe Biden can team up?


BoytonBrother - 4/5/2019 at 03:34 PM

quote:
Maybe he and the "Groper" Joe Biden can team up?


Are you ever not a jerk towards Democrats? Grow up already.


MartinD28 - 4/5/2019 at 04:07 PM

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quote:
Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/


Curiously arrested for B&E and Drunk Driving, that will be fodder during any possible debate...

Maybe he and the "Groper" Joe Biden can team up?


Did he grab them by the pu$$y like your guy, Mafia Don?


BoytonBrother - 4/5/2019 at 05:32 PM

quote:
Did he grab them by the pu$$y like your guy, Mafia Don?


Remember Martin, just because he never complains about Trump, and just because he said that nothing Trump says or does bothers him, it doesn’t mean Trump’s his guy. His guy is Gary Johnson. I guess he’s just a misunderstood guy.


BIGV - 4/5/2019 at 09:03 PM

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quote:
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Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/


Curiously arrested for B&E and Drunk Driving, that will be fodder during any possible debate...

Maybe he and the "Groper" Joe Biden can team up?


Did he grab them by the pu$$y like your guy, Mafia Don?


Yes, the President is responsible for some pretty crass behavior, and pretty foul language.

You guys laugh at the President, I will chuckle at the list of contenders.


nebish - 4/5/2019 at 09:21 PM

Tim Ryan serves the district north of me. He took over for the very popular Jim Trafficant, a name that I'm sure most following national politics will remember. Say what you will about Trafficant, but this area loved him and he did alot for it as well. Ryan doesn't enjoy the same widespread support across party lines and doesn't have a strong resume, but still has strongly held that seat since with no serious challengers. The base there is staunchly Democrat, in fact, Trumbull county (where Ryan was born) and within his current district voted for non-incumbent Republican Presidential candidate for the first time in like almost 90 years when Trump took the area in 2016.

Looking towards his prospects to win the nomination, he would be best served to moderate towards the middle and be the working man's candidate...the union blue collar people in this area and the ones that Ryan is going to say he represents do not care about gay rights, or protections for illegal immigrants, or green energy, or whatever the hot left issue of the day is. If he could be middle of the road on some of the more liberal issues and speak to the concerns of blue collar workers like Bernie and Trump did in 2016 I think he could do well.

Problem is that isn't who he is, he has picked up the flag and carried it for the party while he has tried to make a name for himself among the national base. All while he likely could never win state-wide office outside of his protected pocket of loyal Democrat voters.

Sherrod Brown on the other hand would've been an immensely better candidate out of Ohio than Ryan.

I think Ryan sees himself as filling a void among the current crop of candidates, I just don't know where his traction is really going to be. Based off of his career and accomplishments he has little to point to as "why him".


BoytonBrother - 4/6/2019 at 03:15 AM

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You guys laugh at the President, I will chuckle at the list of contenders.


If by "chuckle" you mean "being a complete jerk to people based on their political affiliation", then yes, you "chuckle".


BIGV - 4/6/2019 at 03:22 AM

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quote:
quote:
Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/


Curiously arrested for B&E and Drunk Driving, that will be fodder during any possible debate...

Maybe he and the "Groper" Joe Biden can team up?


Did he grab them by the pu$$y like your guy, Mafia Don?


Nothing to do with Biden. Is Joe a little to "touchy/feely" or not?...Yes or No?

"Was 'Beto'... arrested for those two crimes?" Yes or No?


Chain - 4/6/2019 at 02:18 PM

Harris/Buttigiege makes for a compelling Dem ticket in 2020...Covers close to every demographic in the ever expanding progressive wing of the Democratic party.

Of course it'll make every right wing conservative voter sh@t their pants and come to the polls, but what the hell....The Dems have the numbers in their favor if their base actually votes.


2112 - 4/7/2019 at 05:23 PM

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Harris/Buttigiege makes for a compelling Dem ticket in 2020...Covers close to every demographic in the ever expanding progressive wing of the Democratic party.

Of course it'll make every right wing conservative voter sh@t their pants and come to the polls, but what the hell....The Dems have the numbers in their favor if their base actually votes.


Remember total number of votes don't matter. Is that a ticket that the purple states (Midwest and Florida) would vote for? That's all that matters.


Chain - 4/7/2019 at 08:10 PM

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quote:
Harris/Buttigiege makes for a compelling Dem ticket in 2020...Covers close to every demographic in the ever expanding progressive wing of the Democratic party.

Of course it'll make every right wing conservative voter sh@t their pants and come to the polls, but what the hell....The Dems have the numbers in their favor if their base actually votes.


Remember total number of votes don't matter. Is that a ticket that the purple states (Midwest and Florida) would vote for? That's all that matters.


I do in fact think the purple states could vote for such a ticket. If the Dems show up and vote and enough independents swing in their favor. It's all about turnout and I think Harris and Butti are compelling enough to energize just enough independents to swing the purple states. If, if, the Dem base go to the polls....

I think Butti has proven exactly that with his election as mayor in a pretty conservative part of Indiana.


BoytonBrother - 4/8/2019 at 01:18 PM

quote:
Curiously arrested for B&E and Drunk Driving, that will be fodder during any possible debate...

Maybe he and the "Groper" Joe Biden can team up?


I think I get BIGV’s point. It took me a while because of how childish and demented it is, but I think I might get it: Because liberals preach tolerance of new ideas, they therefore should never criticize someone for their ideas. For if they do, they are nothing but hypocrites. Therefore, when liberals bash a guy who tries to hurt people everyday on Twitter, they are hypocrites for not tolerating a bully. In return, BIGV bullies and name-calls Biden, AOC, O’Rourke, migrants, and countless others in an attempt to equate the two behaviors. If liberals on this site don’t like his comments, then they should tolerate Trump’s daily vicious attacks on fellow Americans.

In BIGV’s mind, standing up to scum bag behavior is the same as name-calling Democrats because of their political views.

I can’t help but feel sorry for someone with such limited intelligence and awareness.


BIGV - 4/8/2019 at 03:15 PM

quote:
Remember total number of votes don't matter


On the contrary, it matters a lot. The total number of votes in each state determine who carries said group and because of this system, all of the States have equal representation, just like they do in the Congress and the Senate. The total amount of votes in each county ordain who should be Sheriff and so on. The total number of votes in one city elects a Mayor and so on. Don't like how laws in your State apply to you?..Move. Taxes too high in California?...relocate. Think there should be one voice in Government?...Disagree, the Electoral College is absolutely necessary.

Turning to the thread title, this is one of many reasons I laugh at Beto O'Rourke as a viable candidate for POTUS. Arrested for DWI and Burglary (Not a good start, or it that unfair to bring up? lol) He believes the Electoral College was a "Bad Compromise". He opposes more Border security, is against Deportation, is for the Dream act and is against the separation of families and voted no on a Bill that would have eliminated "Sanctuary States" yet it is the Democrats whom claim that Border security is a "Problem".

No Electoral College? One vote for everyone!...

Even if they've entered Illegally.


BIGV - 4/8/2019 at 03:34 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/


Curiously arrested for B&E and Drunk Driving, that will be fodder during any possible debate...

Maybe he and the "Groper" Joe Biden can team up?


Did he grab them by the pu$$y like your guy, Mafia Don?


"My Guy" lol...Repeatedly, I have stated on this board that I voted for Gary Johnson. Perhaps, to further clarify that point, I could start defending the positions Mr. Johnson and the Libertarian Party take whenever a Political hot button is pressed. No wait, I find it much more satirically entertaining to laugh at the views posted by the left/democrats who still can not deal with the everyday reality that they lost the WH, and continue to whine about it.


Bhawk - 4/8/2019 at 04:21 PM

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No wait, I find it much more satirically entertaining to laugh at the views posted by the left/democrats who still can not deal with the everyday reality that they lost the WH, and continue to whine about it.


In other words, if you don't like what the President does you should shut up, because there is no valid criticism of him, just whining.

Interesting perspective.


BoytonBrother - 4/8/2019 at 04:23 PM

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No wait, I find it much more satirically entertaining to laugh at the views posted by the left/democrats who still can not deal with the everyday reality that they lost the WH, and continue to whine about it.


How asinine and low rent. Grow up. Act like a man.



[Edited on 4/8/2019 by BoytonBrother]


MartinD28 - 4/8/2019 at 04:35 PM

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quote:
quote:
quote:
Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/


Curiously arrested for B&E and Drunk Driving, that will be fodder during any possible debate...

Maybe he and the "Groper" Joe Biden can team up?


Did he grab them by the pu$$y like your guy, Mafia Don?


"My Guy" lol...Repeatedly, I have stated on this board that I voted for Gary Johnson. Perhaps, to further clarify that point, I could start defending the positions Mr. Johnson and the Libertarian Party take whenever a Political hot button is pressed. No wait, I find it much more satirically entertaining to laugh at the views posted by the left/democrats who still can not deal with the everyday reality that they lost the WH, and continue to whine about it.

Everybody on this site knows you voted for Gary Johnson because you feel the need to remind us of that regularly & then somehow in the best of your doublespeak use it to give yourself distance from Trump who you have no trouble with his actions. Your posts reflect an identification with Trump & his policies, and I doubt many here other than potentially you would argue to the contrary.


BoytonBrother - 4/8/2019 at 04:41 PM

quote:
or it that unfair to bring up, lol?

My Guy" lol

I will chuckle

I find it much more satirically entertaining to laugh at the views posted by the left/democrats

I laugh at Beto O'Rourke


You are doing a lot of laughing at people. Only an insecure passive-aggressive jacka$$ does this.


BIGV - 4/8/2019 at 04:47 PM

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Everybody on this site knows you voted for Gary Johnson because you feel the need to remind us of that regularly & then somehow in the best of your doublespeak use it to give yourself distance from Trump who you have no trouble with his actions.


Yet, people here continually walk in step with the Liberal/Democratic mantra: "You dislike the Democratic platform, therefore you support and love President Trump"

And for the 30th time I prefer the actions of President Trump over any thoughts or views of most Hillary supporters.

Don't like or care for my views?...Walk around them.


BoytonBrother - 4/8/2019 at 04:59 PM

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Don't like or care for my views?...Walk around them.


Nobody cares about your political views. It’s your ignorant, low rent, childish manner in which you present them. You are too easy.


BIGV - 4/8/2019 at 07:32 PM

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No wait, I find it much more satirically entertaining to laugh at the views posted by the left/democrats who still can not deal with the everyday reality that they lost the WH, and continue to whine about it.


In other words, if you don't like what the President does you should shut up, because there is no valid criticism of him, just whining.

Interesting perspective.


Not at all, this is a Forum. I do find it funny however that the same people who consistently share their disgust concerning President Trump are the same ones who scream bloody murder when someone disses their Parties views. You can't have it both ways.


BoytonBrother - 4/8/2019 at 08:02 PM

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I do find it funny however that the same people who consistently share their disgust concerning President Trump are the same ones who scream bloody murder when someone disses their Parties views. You can't have it both ways.


Nobody is screaming bloody murder over politics you big drama queen, calm down. If you can’t understand the difference between attacking political views, and attacking one’s behavior, I suggest you go back to school.


Bhawk - 4/8/2019 at 09:16 PM

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No wait, I find it much more satirically entertaining to laugh at the views posted by the left/democrats who still can not deal with the everyday reality that they lost the WH, and continue to whine about it.


In other words, if you don't like what the President does you should shut up, because there is no valid criticism of him, just whining.

Interesting perspective.


Not at all, this is a Forum. I do find it funny however that the same people who consistently share their disgust concerning President Trump are the same ones who scream bloody murder when someone disses their Parties views. You can't have it both ways.


Again. The only reason to take that position is that you think that Trump is infallible, or, that any time he could be criticized is meaningless because you don't believe he is to be criticized on any one particular merit.

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And for the 30th time I prefer the actions of President Trump over any thoughts or views of most Hillary supporters.


Hillary Clinton is not and never will be the President. Trump is. Any American citizen and taxpayer is free to think however they wish about his performance.

But, this statement of yours is quite profound.

Literally: "I don't care what Trump does. Could stab and eat a baby on the podium. It's still better than any thought a liberal has."

At least you are honest about it, I'll give you that.



BoytonBrother - 4/8/2019 at 09:38 PM

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Again. The only reason to take that position is that you think that Trump is infallible


I think you have it wrong. His demented point is that a liberal has no right to criticize.

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But, this statement of yours is quite profound.

Literally: "I don't care what Trump does. Could stab and eat a baby on the podium. It's still better than any thought a liberal has."

At least you are honest about it, I'll give you that.


His extremist views are nonsensical and beyond creepy. He can’t tell the difference between criticism of one’s behavior versus extremist bigotry.


BIGV - 4/9/2019 at 12:02 AM

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No wait, I find it much more satirically entertaining to laugh at the views posted by the left/democrats who still can not deal with the everyday reality that they lost the WH, and continue to whine about it.


In other words, if you don't like what the President does you should shut up, because there is no valid criticism of him, just whining.

Interesting perspective.


Not at all, this is a Forum. I do find it funny however that the same people who consistently share their disgust concerning President Trump are the same ones who scream bloody murder when someone disses their Parties views. You can't have it both ways.


Again. The only reason to take that position is that you think that Trump is infallible, or, that any time he could be criticized is meaningless because you don't believe he is to be criticized on any one particular merit.

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And for the 30th time I prefer the actions of President Trump over any thoughts or views of most Hillary supporters.


Hillary Clinton is not and never will be the President. Trump is. Any American citizen and taxpayer is free to think however they wish about his performance.


Of course they are, absolutely. But once again I sit in front of this computer and laugh myself to sleep over those who state their opinions about President Trump in the most unflattering of ways and then w/o drawing breath are extremely critical of those who laugh at Democratic policy. If you can dish it out you better be able to take it, especially when it is nowhere near being personal

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But, this statement of yours is quite profound.

Literally: "I don't care what Trump does. Could stab and eat a baby on the podium. It's still better than any thought a liberal has."

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At least you are honest about it, I'll give you that.


Haha....Thank You


BIGV - 4/9/2019 at 12:07 AM

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Again. The only reason to take that position is that you think that Trump is infallible, or, that any time he could be criticized is meaningless because you don't believe he is to be criticized on any one particular merit.


The day I find President Trump "Infallible" Haha!...I will clearly state that. Until that time any inference made by anyone here even hinting that is on you.....


BoytonBrother - 4/9/2019 at 01:36 AM

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But once again I sit in front of this computer and laugh myself to sleep over those who state their opinions about President Trump in the most unflattering of ways and then w/o drawing breath are extremely critical of those who laugh at Democratic policy.


Why not just say “critical of me” instead of pretending it’s about “Those who laugh at Democratic policy”. You are referring to yourself, just admit it. So strange.

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If you can dish it out you better be able to take it, especially when it is nowhere near being personal


I have no issue with his wall or any of his policies really, but there’s no need to call the migrants “animals”, or mock a disabled person, or countless other horrific comments. It’s completely uncalled for and as low as it gets for the President of the United States to say to the world. There’s no need to be making daily threats and tantrums on Twitter like a fool. Reagan and Bush had good economies and conservative judges without lowering themselves into the gutter like that. There’s no reason for any decent conservative to accept such low standards for their leader.

But if a Democrat dares to call Trump out for his cruel behavior, you are going to insult decent Americans because it’s “their party” and we had “better be able to take it”? That making fun of someone strictly because they are Democrat, is the same as a Democrat calling out Trump for his cruelty?

That’s who you are as a person?






[Edited on 4/9/2019 by BoytonBrother]


BrerRabbit - 4/9/2019 at 02:45 PM

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Repeatedly, I have stated on this board that I voted for Gary Johnson. Perhaps, to further clarify that point, I could start defending the positions Mr. Johnson and the Libertarian Party take . . .


Ok, defend this, Gary Johnson is against deportation of undocumented workers and says Trumps wall is "asinine" :

from Fox Business Insider:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/gary-johnson-speaks-out-on-trumps-asin ine-wall

Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson took on Donald Trump over his immigration policy and plans to build a wall along the border between the U.S. and Mexico.

"He [Donald Trump] talks about deporting 11 million undocumented workers. That has a basis in complete misunderstanding of the situation,” Johnson told the FOX Business Network’s Maria Bartiromo.

According to Johnson, America should not be opposed to immigration but rather have a more welcoming, supportive policy.

“Immigrants are not taking jobs that U.S. citizens want. We should be embracing immigration. We should make it as easy as possible for somebody that wants to come into the country and work to be able to get a work visa. And a work visa should entail a background check and a social security card so that taxes get paid.”

Johnson also spoke out against Trump’s calls to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

“Look, building a wall is just crazy. I can just see the Mexican president [saying], ‘Donald Trump, take this wall down.’ And you know what, he is going to be on the right side of history. At some point, if Trump is elected and if he does this wall, which is really asinine, we will take it down at some point.”




BIGV - 4/9/2019 at 02:47 PM

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Repeatedly, I have stated on this board that I voted for Gary Johnson. Perhaps, to further clarify that point, I could start defending the positions Mr. Johnson and the Libertarian Party take . . .


Ok, defend this, Gary Johnson is against deportation of undocumented workers and says Trumps wall is "asinine" :

from Fox Business Insider:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/gary-johnson-speaks-out-on-trumps-asin ine-wall

Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson took on Donald Trump over his immigration policy and plans to build a wall along the border between the U.S. and Mexico.

"He [Donald Trump] talks about deporting 11 million undocumented workers. That has a basis in complete misunderstanding of the situation,” Johnson told the FOX Business Network’s Maria Bartiromo.

According to Johnson, America should not be opposed to immigration but rather have a more welcoming, supportive policy.

“Immigrants are not taking jobs that U.S. citizens want. We should be embracing immigration. We should make it as easy as possible for somebody that wants to come into the country and work to be able to get a work visa. And a work visa should entail a background check and a social security card so that taxes get paid.”

Johnson also spoke out against Trump’s calls to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

“Look, building a wall is just crazy. I can just see the Mexican president [saying], ‘Donald Trump, take this wall down.’ And you know what, he is going to be on the right side of history. At some point, if Trump is elected and if he does this wall, which is really asinine, we will take it down at some point.”



I can not.

NO Party and its beliefs are a perfect fit.

I stand with President Trump on the border issue.


BoytonBrother - 4/10/2019 at 02:28 PM

If only Democrats had someone they could tattle to when Trump name calls them.

When Trump berates people, it’s funny and admirable. When it happens to BIGV, he tattles to get me banned. John Wayne he is not.


nebish - 4/11/2019 at 11:11 PM

Eric Swalwell (announced 4/8/19)
- 38, current member of US House from California, former CA county deputy DA
https://swalwell.house.gov/


nebish - 4/21/2019 at 01:52 PM

Forgot to update Mayor Pete!

Pete Buttigieg (announced 4/14/19)
- 37, Rhodes Scholar, Naval Reservist deployed in Afghanistan, two-term Mayor of South Bend IN
https://peteforamerica.com/meet-pete/


gina - 4/25/2019 at 09:05 PM

It's already started.

“Welcome to the race Sleepy Joe,” President Donald Trump tweeted shortly after former Veep Joe Biden officially announced his 2020 White House race.

“I only hope you have the intelligence, long in doubt, to wage a successful primary campaign. It will be nasty – you will be dealing with people who truly have some very sick & demented ideas. But if you make it, I will see you at the Starting Gate!”


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/donald-trump-makes-joe-biden-130340726. html


Remarks: I think Hillary just is too incensed to go thru it again with Donald, though she has the experience, knowledge and even respect of foreign leaders to effectively manage foreign policy and affairs, she just does not want to go thru another campaign facing off with Trump. She has her dignity and would like to keep that.


nebish - 4/25/2019 at 11:06 PM

Gina, you post about Joe Biden, but then comment on Hillary?


nebish - 4/25/2019 at 11:07 PM

Joe Biden (announced 4/25/19)
- 76, 2009-2017 Vice President, US Senator from Delaware 1973-2009, two-time POTUS candidate in 1988 and 2008.
https://joebiden.com/

Other house cleaning updates:

Wayne Messam (announced 3/28/19)
- 44, three-term Mayor of Miramar, FL, city commissioner 2011-2015, businessman
https://wayneforusa.com/

Mike Gravel (announced 4/2/19)
- 88, US Senator from Alaska 1969-1981, 2008 POTUS candidate, has stated he is not seeking party nomination instead running to appear in the debates (atleast he is honest)
https://www.mikegravel.org/

Seth Moulton (announced 4/22/19)
- 40, current member of US House from Massachusetts, Marine Corp Captain serving 4 tours in Iraq, Green New Deal co-sponsor
https://sethmoulton.com/


BIGV - 4/26/2019 at 03:41 AM

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Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California


A true champion when it comes to avoiding the question asked, her favorite response?..."I think this is something we should have a conversation about". She just pulled this very same rabbit out of her hat again when asked by CNN's head clown Don Lemon about Bernie Saunders position on allowing incarcerated Felons to Vote...



Either you are a Nay or a Yay, the conversation was started, the question asked and she danced


BoytonBrother - 4/26/2019 at 10:49 AM

The usuals continue to display their scapegoats. How silly.


nebish - 4/26/2019 at 01:34 PM

quote:


A true champion when it comes to avoiding the question asked, her favorite response?..."I think this is something we should have a conversation about". She just pulled this very same rabbit out of her hat again when asked by CNN's head clown Don Lemon about Bernie Saunders position on allowing incarcerated Felons to Vote...


I've noticed this as well. I didn't appreciate her response on that question. I am accustomed and prepared for Democrats to restore the right to vote for prior felons who have served their time and been released. If I were looking to a candidate on this issue I would've rather they took the position that when one is incarcerated they lose several of rights, the right to vote being just one. I personally don't feel this is something "we need to have a conversation about", but rather something that shouldn't be looked into at all. Now maybe Kamala has never thought of such a thing and therefore could offer nothing better than her vague answer. Sometimes that works and sometimes it is better for the candidates to show their depth on topics and be prepared to take a position. Seemed to me she wanted to leave it open ended for the appearance of supporting it, but in reality she doesn't want to turn off any would-be voters if she in fact has reservations about it. Politicians. That is what they do.


BoytonBrother - 4/26/2019 at 02:08 PM

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A true champion when it comes to avoiding the question asked, her favorite response?..."I think this is something we should have a conversation about". She just pulled this very same rabbit out of her hat again when asked by CNN's head clown Don Lemon about Bernie Saunders position on allowing incarcerated Felons to Vote.


So you're telling me, that you hate political correctness, you hate those who get offended so easily, but because someone said "we should have a discussion about it", you get offended and angry? How do you explain that?


BoytonBrother - 4/26/2019 at 05:36 PM

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I personally don't feel this is something "we need to have a conversation about", but rather something that shouldn't be looked into at all.


Why not? I won't lose sleep over it either way, and certain prisoners surely don't deserve the right, but if we restore the right to felons once released, what does the actual incarceration have to do with the right? I think it should be about the crime and conviction, not whether they are behind bars or not.


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I've noticed this as well. I didn't appreciate her response on that question.


quote:
Now maybe Kamala has never thought of such a thing and therefore could offer nothing better than her vague answer. Sometimes that works and sometimes it is better for the candidates to show their depth on topics and be prepared to take a position. Seemed to me she wanted to leave it open ended for the appearance of supporting it, but in reality she doesn't want to turn off any would-be voters if she in fact has reservations about it.


I don't get the issue. I don't expect a candidate to have a direct answer for every single issue right on the spot, especially complicated ones. I find it refreshing that a candidate recognizes and respects that it's a complex issue that deserves time and thought. I don't see why an answer like that, especially this early in the game, is being viewed negatively.


piacere - 4/26/2019 at 05:41 PM

You don't see it because you're a Democrat and she's a democrat and you tow the party line as hard as anyone.


BoytonBrother - 4/26/2019 at 05:51 PM

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You don't see it because you're a Democrat and she's a democrat and you tow the party line as hard as anyone.


That's silly. I admire Reagan and the Bush family as much as anyone, and I pray to God every night that Trump would demonsrate that type of thoughtfulness when asked questions. Sorry man, but it's you that openly admits to towing the party line because of the nauseating liberal mindset. I respond to character and morals when picking a leader, not their political idealogy.


piacere - 4/26/2019 at 06:12 PM

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You don't see it because you're a Democrat and she's a democrat and you tow the party line as hard as anyone.


That's silly. I admire Reagan and the Bush family as much as anyone, and I pray to God every night that Trump would demonsrate that type of thoughtfulness when asked questions. Sorry man, but it's you that openly admits to towing the party line because of the nauseating liberal mindset. I respond to character and morals when picking a leader, not their political idealogy.



As a Christian, no one casts their vote based on morals and character more than me. No one. And yes, some of the liberal agenda nauseates me, is that OK?


MartinD28 - 4/26/2019 at 06:25 PM

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You don't see it because you're a Democrat and she's a democrat and you tow the party line as hard as anyone.


That's silly. I admire Reagan and the Bush family as much as anyone, and I pray to God every night that Trump would demonsrate that type of thoughtfulness when asked questions. Sorry man, but it's you that openly admits to towing the party line because of the nauseating liberal mindset. I respond to character and morals when picking a leader, not their political idealogy.



As a Christian, no one casts their vote based on morals and character more than me. No one. And yes, some of the liberal agenda nauseates me, is that OK?


So what would a Christian think about Trump accepting the Saudi position when they murdered a Washington Post journalist and cut up his body into pieces?

Does the Christian position support Trump in his affairs with a porn star and a Playboy Bunny after his child was born? He's certainly a man of morals?

Do you consider Trump a man of character. We do realize he's not one of those with the liberal agenda. He has his own agenda, and I doubt it's a conservative agenda other than appointing judges to appease a certain segment of the base?

What is your position on Trump's speech at Liberty University when he showed his ignorance of the Bible when trying to spew a few lines laced with mispronunciations?


Bhawk - 4/26/2019 at 06:57 PM

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If I were looking to a candidate on this issue I would've rather they took the position that when one is incarcerated they lose several of rights, the right to vote being just one.


If that's the case we should execute anyone who is incarcerated.


BoytonBrother - 4/26/2019 at 07:13 PM

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As a Christian, no one casts their vote based on morals and character more than me. No one. And yes, some of the liberal agenda nauseates me, is that OK?


You can feel however you want, but would Jesus want you be nauseated by other people's values? And the liberal agenda included providing affordable healthcare for those less fortunate, which is as Christian as it gets. Obamacare is exactly what Jesus would've wanted, and he'd be disappointed at all the fellow right-wing Christians that not only oppose Jesus's main mission, but go even further as to hate the man (Obama) who proposed the idea. Strange times we live in I guess.


nebish - 4/27/2019 at 02:42 PM

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I personally don't feel this is something "we need to have a conversation about", but rather something that shouldn't be looked into at all.


Why not? I won't lose sleep over it either way, and certain prisoners surely don't deserve the right, but if we restore the right to felons once released, what does the actual incarceration have to do with the right? I think it should be about the crime and conviction, not whether they are behind bars or not.


quote:
I've noticed this as well. I didn't appreciate her response on that question.


quote:
Now maybe Kamala has never thought of such a thing and therefore could offer nothing better than her vague answer. Sometimes that works and sometimes it is better for the candidates to show their depth on topics and be prepared to take a position. Seemed to me she wanted to leave it open ended for the appearance of supporting it, but in reality she doesn't want to turn off any would-be voters if she in fact has reservations about it.


I don't get the issue. I don't expect a candidate to have a direct answer for every single issue right on the spot, especially complicated ones. I find it refreshing that a candidate recognizes and respects that it's a complex issue that deserves time and thought. I don't see why an answer like that, especially this early in the game, is being viewed negatively.




I'm not losing any sleep, didn't think about this at all the last 24+ hours. I mean really, I could care or I could not care. At the moment I am choosing to care for the sake of conversation.

My opinion, and other people can have different ones of course, I'm not necessarily right and others aren't necessarily wrong, is that prisoners are not part of a normalized community or society and therefore do not need and should not have any influence on issues that take place outside the prison walls. And prisoners are often moved from facility to facility, county to county, state to state so their potential temporary status anywhere doesn't require them to be counted among a constituent base that local, state or federal representatives should have to answer to or cater to. I do not have any strong objection to allowing them to vote once they rejoin our communities and society upon their release - that is a more reasonable point to me.

For me, it is just a politician being a politician. Although I disagree with the position, I have more respect for Bernie to make his point and bear the consequences that a controversial position might create for him, but he speaks up and says what and why he believes in. Candidates that try and hide behind vague "maybes" on issues do not come across as very confident or knowledgeable to me. Rather they seem to not want to cross would-be supporters to maintain support among a certain base. Kamala expanded upon her thoughts the next day, had she offered that in the moment I wouldn't have given it much thought...other than I disagree with the position.


BrerRabbit - 4/27/2019 at 02:49 PM

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. . . prisoners are not part of a normalized community or society and therefore do not need and should not have any influence on issues that take place outside the prison walls.


Then it follows that prisoners' income not be subject to taxation.


BIGV - 4/27/2019 at 04:40 PM

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but if we restore the right to felons once released, what does the actual incarceration have to do with the right? I think it should be about the crime and conviction, not whether they are behind bars or not.


"what does the actual incarceration have to do with the right"? EVERYTHING

quote:
Seemed to me she wanted to leave it open ended for the appearance of supporting it, but in reality she doesn't want to turn off any would-be voters if she in fact has reservations about it.


Exactly. Take a stance, stand behind it and defend it. You wish people to follow?...Lead.


quote:
I have more respect for Bernie to make his point and bear the consequences that a controversial position might create for him, but he speaks up and says what and why he believes in. Candidates that try and hide behind vague "maybes" on issues do not come across as very confident or knowledgeable to me.


BOOM! and Kamala does this a lot.


OriginalGoober - 4/27/2019 at 05:15 PM


I'm happy to have my vote cancelled out by a violent criminal.


BoytonBrother - 4/27/2019 at 05:18 PM

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I'm happy to have my vote cancelled out by a violent criminal.


"my vote cancelled out" - Mr. Drama Queen playing the victim card. So silly.


BoytonBrother - 4/27/2019 at 05:22 PM

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"what does the actual incarceration have to do with the right"? EVERYTHING


What a profound analysis.


BrerRabbit - 4/27/2019 at 06:04 PM

It would be good to hear forum members who belong to the majority of the US prison population doing time for dope or other lesser offenses, but I understand the reasons for not revealing that you are posting from behind bars, looking at the attitudes here .

Will just leave it at if you are inside for some lesser charge, particularly in the case of drugs, and more particularly for pot - I hope you get the right to vote for someone who might just change the bullsh!t law that put you there.


Sang - 4/27/2019 at 07:48 PM

Looks like members of Trump's campaign and staff won't be able to vote for a while....


BrerRabbit - 4/27/2019 at 08:57 PM

Every cloud has a silver lining.


BrerRabbit - 4/27/2019 at 09:00 PM

It is really more of an "if you get caught you can't vote" deal. Unless the unjailed potsmokers in states where it is illegal decide not to vote out of respect for the law condemning their behavior.


gina - 4/30/2019 at 09:46 PM

Senate Bill 145 would prevent any candidates who will not release their tax returns from being able to run for the Presidency. 20 states have people who do not even want to allow him to run (The Democratic Party is behind this reportedly).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nearly-20-blue-states-move-102042503.html




nebish - 5/2/2019 at 05:24 PM

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Senate Bill 145 would prevent any candidates who will not release their tax returns from being able to run for the Presidency. 20 states have people who do not even want to allow him to run (The Democratic Party is behind this reportedly).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nearly-20-blue-states-move-102042503.html




Additionally from Salon:

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Bills requiring prospective presidential candidates to disclose recent tax returns as a condition to appear on the ballot are currently pending in the following fourteen states: Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington. Similar legislation, introduced this year, failed in Maryland, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New Mexico and Virginia.



quote:
Questions also remain whether states requiring presidential candidates to release their tax returns in order to appear on the ballot would be constitutional.


Not knowing myself the potential legality of their attempt; I would support such a requirement but would like to see it come at the national level so all states play by the same rules.


nebish - 5/2/2019 at 05:29 PM

Michael Bennet (announced 5/2/19)
- 54, current US Senator from Colorado, former chief of staff to then Governor Hickenlooper, former Denver Public Schools Superintendent, businessman and lawyer.
http://michaelbennet.com/win

[Edited on 5/2/2019 by nebish]


BIGV - 5/6/2019 at 02:16 AM

Andrew Yang -Declared Candidate for the Democratic Party, office of the President of the United States

"I’d start fining gun manufacturers $1 million for each person killed by their weapons. That would get more companies focused on how to keep guns out of the hands of those who would do others harm".

Genius!...Maybe we can fine the manufacturers of spoons too! (They make people fat)


alloak41 - 5/6/2019 at 02:32 AM

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Andrew Yang -Declared Candidate for the Democratic Party, office of the President of the United States

"I’d start fining gun manufacturers $1 million for each person killed by their weapons. That would get more companies focused on how to keep guns out of the hands of those who would do others harm".


I think Mr. Yang makes good sense. The most successful companies throughout our history have proven that the key to success is focusing on ways to keep people from buying their product.


nebish - 5/7/2019 at 04:37 AM

quote:
Andrew Yang -Declared Candidate for the Democratic Party, office of the President of the United States

"I’d start fining gun manufacturers $1 million for each person killed by their weapons. That would get more companies focused on how to keep guns out of the hands of those who would do others harm".

Genius!...Maybe we can fine the manufacturers of spoons too! (They make people fat)


Absolutely ridiculous.

Republicans have mud on their face for doing nothing, something, anyt but this is pretty out there. So a civilian acts in self defense in an unfortunate situation to save their or their families' life and shoots and kills a perp. Lets say the state judicial process finds it was legitimate grounds of self defense and no charges are levied against the shooter. But the gun manufacturer would face a $1 million dollar fine. WTF? Crazy talk.


nebish - 5/10/2019 at 01:37 PM

Boston Celtics Head Coach Brad Stevens or Mayor Pete Buttigieg?





KCJimmy - 5/10/2019 at 08:31 PM

And now that you mention it, has anyone ever seen the two of them at the same place at the same time?


BrerRabbit - 5/10/2019 at 10:26 PM

Ears WAY bigger.


nebish - 5/14/2019 at 02:48 PM

Steve Bullock (announced 5/14/19)
- 53, two-term and current Governor of Montana, former state Attorney General, lawyer
https://stevebullock.com/


nebish - 5/14/2019 at 02:59 PM

From last week:

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May 10, 2019, at 10:30 AM

Here’s How The Democrats Will Limit The Debate Field If Too Many People Qualify

By Geoffrey Skelley

Filed under 2020 Democratic Primary

Andrew Burton / Getty Images

The Democratic presidential primary debate stage is filling up fast: By our count, 18 candidates — including newly qualified Rep. Eric Swalwell and self-help author Marianne Williamson — are now eligible for the first two debates, at the end of June and July. But with participation in the first two debates capped at 20 candidates,1 the Democratic National Committee could soon need a tiebreaker to decide who gets a spot on the stage.

On Thursday, the DNC updated its debate qualification rules to outline how it will handle tiebreakers. If more than 20 candidates qualify under the first set of debate rules, then meeting both the polling and donor requirements will become very important — candidates who do so will get first dibs on debate lecterns. After that, though, things start to get complicated.

If more than 20 candidates hit both the polling and donor thresholds, the 20 candidates with the highest polling average would be included in the debate. Although 18 candidates appear to have qualified for the debate so far, only 11 have done so by meeting both criteria, so there’s still some wiggle room there.





For candidates deemed “major” by FiveThirtyEight.

To qualify via polling, a candidate must reach 1 percent in at least three national or early-state polls from qualifying polling organizations. To qualify via donors, a candidate must have at least 65,000 unique donors with at least 200 donors in at least 20 states. Information released by campaigns is used to determine whether a candidate has hit the donor threshold. If a campaign reached 65,000 donors but did not say whether it had at least 200 donors in 20 states, we assumed that it had met the latter requirement as well. Candidates will have to prove to the DNC that they have met the donor requirements.

Sources: Polls, Media reports


If fewer than 20 candidates meet both standards but more than 20 qualify via the polling method, those who meet both criteria would qualify first and the remaining spots would be filled by those with the highest polling average. To calculate this, the DNC is planning to average the top three survey results for each candidate,2 rounded to the nearest tenth of a percentage point. That is, the tiebreaker will be calculated using the polls where a candidate performed best, not necessarily the most recent polls. If that average results in a tie for the last spot(s) on the stage, the tied candidates will be ranked by the total number of qualifying polls they submitted to the DNC.

However, if fewer than 20 candidates hit both qualifying criteria and fewer than 20 qualify via the polling method, the DNC and its media partners (NBC and Telemundo in June and CNN in July) would first invite all candidates who reach both the polling and donor thresholds and then any others who meet the polling requirement. After that, the remaining debate slots would be filled by those who have the highest number of unique donors.

As things stand, our research shows that 17 candidates have qualified via the polling threshold, which requires candidates to earn at least 1 percent of the vote in three national or early-primary-state polls conducted by qualifying pollsters since the start of 2019.3 So if three more people hit this mark, no candidate will qualify based solely on having met the fundraising threshold. This could be a challenge for Williamson, who has built her campaign largely on grassroots support — she’s the only candidate so far who has qualified on fundraising alone. On Thursday, she announced that she had met the DNC’s fundraising criteria by receiving donations from at least 65,000 unique donors, including at least 200 individual donors in at least 20 states,4 but she has earned 1 percent of the vote in just one qualifying survey.

But Williamson is not the only contender who may wind up on the bubble. Two other candidates have not hit either threshold: Sen. Michael Bennet has earned 1 percent support in only one survey, and Rep. Seth Moulton has yet to hit that mark in any qualifying poll. Neither campaign has reported hitting the 65,000-donor threshold either. In fact, a total of eight candidates considered “major” by FiveThirtyEight’s standards haven’t met the donor threshold, so it remains to be seen if 20 people can meet both criteria. If not, the final debate participants will be decided by the polling average.

With so many candidates hovering around 1 percent or so in the polls, a few tenths of a percentage point could make or break a candidate’s chances of qualifying. The debates give candidates a vital chance to distinguish themselves in a crowded field, so these narrow margins could decide who still has any shot at winning the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/heres-how-the-democrats-will-limit-the -debate-field-if-too-many-people-qualify/


nebish - 5/17/2019 at 01:40 AM

Bill de Blasio (announced 5/16/19)
-58, two-term current Mayor of New York City, former NYC Public Advocate, NYC City Council.
https://billdeblasio.com/



Some April de Blasio NYC voter approval numbers from Quinnipiac:
https://poll.qu.edu/new-york-city/release-detail?ReleaseID=2613


gina - 5/17/2019 at 08:41 PM

Bill DeBlasio has no real following nationwide. Few have even heard of him outside NYC and many there do not like him. The entire NYPD is against him. He already called Trump a "blow hard" and said since Trump gives names to candidates he has a name for Trump, Con Don. The debates will definitely be even funnier than the last ones. I don't know who the Reublicans will throw into the Bear cage to challenge Trump but it will be interesting.


Jerry - 5/20/2019 at 07:57 PM

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And---according to Cory Booker, toy guns are more regulated than real guns.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/videos/are-toy-guns-more-regulated-than-real -guns/vi-AABh856


Jerry - 5/20/2019 at 08:12 PM

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Andrew Yang -Declared Candidate for the Democratic Party, office of the President of the United States

"I’d start fining gun manufacturers $1 million for each person killed by their weapons. That would get more companies focused on how to keep guns out of the hands of those who would do others harm".

Genius!...Maybe we can fine the manufacturers of spoons too! (They make people fat)


How much is he planning to fine car manufacturers when a vehicular homicide occurs. How about those who make knives, baseball bats, iron pipe, ice picks, rope, plastic bags, and other items used to kill people. Does he know that hands and fists were used in more murders than rifles? What's the penalty for using those?


nebish - 5/21/2019 at 12:17 AM

Beto O'Rourke is very sorry, for everything apparently. Sorry for saying jokes about being away from his wife, sorry for being white, sorry for being on a magazine cover, sorry for being a man.


crazyjoe - 6/9/2019 at 04:13 PM

The ticket I am looking at right now would be Bernie/Buttigieg, or Harris/Buttigieg???.............Peace......joe



StratDal - 6/10/2019 at 03:56 PM

I'd like Biden/Buttigieg. My bet is its will be Biden/Harris.

The bottom line is the Democrats better find an electable ticket or it's going to be another 4 years of the same jive.


MartinD28 - 6/10/2019 at 04:16 PM

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I'd like Biden/Buttigieg. My bet is its will be Biden/Harris.

The bottom line is the Democrats better find an electable ticket or it's going to be another 4 years of the same jive.


I would agree at this stage on Biden/Harris.

The big question is if those independents who gave Trump the benefit of the doubt now have buyers' remorse. They will make the difference.


nebish - 6/26/2019 at 01:15 PM

Joe Sestak (announced 6/23/19)
- 67, member of US House 2007-2011, Naval Academy with 31 years of service, National Security Council Director for President Clinton, beat Arlen Specter in 2010 Senate primary but lost general.
https://www.joesestak.com/


nebish - 6/26/2019 at 01:25 PM

Debate Night!

20 candidates are qualified for the first debate which was broke into two nights:

Wedesday's lineup -

Cory Booker
Julián Castro
Bill de Blasio
John Delaney
Tulsi Gabbard
Jay Inslee
Amy Klobuchar
Beto O’Rourke
Tim Ryan
Elizabeth Warren

Thursday's lineup -

Michael Bennet
Joe Biden
Pete Buttigieg
Kirsten Gillibrand
Kamala Harris
John Hickenlooper
Bernie Sanders
Eric Swalwell
Marianne Williamson
Andrew Yang


9:00 eastern both nights on NBC and MSNBC

[Edited on 6/27/2019 by nebish]


nebish - 6/27/2019 at 03:00 AM

So what did we think of the first debate?

The 3 Senators on stage are very strong candidates, their policies and positions are polished. All 3 will be relevant in this race for a long time. I thought Julian Castro and John Delany were impressive, especially Castro, but I was surprised that Delany came through as well as he did given my low expectations. Castro really showed well for himself tonight. Beto and Tulsi took their first question and answered with an opening statement rather than answering the question. Beto didn't move any needle, I just don't see it...Tulsi's back-and-forth with Ryan on Afghanistan was right in her wheelhouse, otherwise her days are numbered. de Blasio did a good job of getting himself some time when he otherwise wouldn't have and he likes to fight. I can't remember anything Inslee said. Tim Ryan should suspend his campaign tomorrow.


nebish - 6/27/2019 at 03:47 AM

MSNBC pundits are mad the candidates didn't attack Trump enough.

I thought the candidates handled themselves they way they should...talk about yourself, what you have done and what you can and will do.


BIGV - 6/27/2019 at 06:30 AM



Yep


nebish - 6/27/2019 at 03:01 PM

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Yep


Acutally...nope. The talked policy last night for pretty much the entire event.


porkchopbob - 6/27/2019 at 04:24 PM

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Yep


Yeah no. You can stop posting this cartoon now since it's not really true.


BrerRabbit - 6/27/2019 at 04:26 PM

Not only that, but now we gotta scroll half a mile left to right to read the thread.


porkchopbob - 6/27/2019 at 05:20 PM

Also, also, considering we had 8 years of "Thanks, Obama" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanks_Obama) and a 2016 Republican Convention that literally could only muster "Anyone but HER" mantra, I think you can give this over-simplified doodle a rest.

[Edited on 6/27/2019 by porkchopbob]


porkchopbob - 6/27/2019 at 06:06 PM

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Tim Ryan should suspend his campaign tomorrow.

Haha, agreed. DIS-ENGAGE!


nebish - 6/27/2019 at 08:06 PM

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Tim Ryan should suspend his campaign tomorrow.

Haha, agreed. DIS-ENGAGE!


The stage and moment is just too big for him. He had a deer in headlights look at times and after repeated failed attempts to butt into the conversation and, he basically just gave up trying.

From what I heard last night, if I had to cast a vote for one of those candidates on stage it would be Delaney.

The heavy weights are up tonight!


BIGV - 6/27/2019 at 08:59 PM

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Yep


Yeah no. You can stop posting this cartoon now since it's not really true.


Disagree wholeheartedly, this is all they have.


porkchopbob - 6/27/2019 at 09:45 PM

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Yeah no. You can stop posting this cartoon now since it's not really true.

Disagree wholeheartedly, this is all they have.

No, clearly it's all you choose to want to hear. Partisan cartoons are all you seem to have.


BIGV - 6/27/2019 at 10:05 PM

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Yeah no. You can stop posting this cartoon now since it's not really true.

Disagree wholeheartedly, this is all they have.

No, clearly it's all you choose to want to hear. Partisan cartoons are all you seem to have.


You Sir are certainly entitled to your opinion, thanks for sharing.


BIGV - 6/27/2019 at 10:08 PM

Bill de Blasio (announced 5/16/19)
-58, two-term current Mayor of New York City, former NYC Public Advocate, NYC City Council.
https://billdeblasio.com/

"There's plenty of money inn this world, There's plenty of money in this country, it's just in the wrong hands. We Democrats have to fix that"

What a good little Communist!


MartinD28 - 6/27/2019 at 10:21 PM

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quote:
Yeah no. You can stop posting this cartoon now since it's not really true.

Disagree wholeheartedly, this is all they have.

No, clearly it's all you choose to want to hear. Partisan cartoons are all you seem to have.


I've got to agree with PCB.

Instead of posting cartoons, it would be more telling to post your views and any supporting substance of the four components of the cartoon; the policies that have been advanced, impacts, success vs failure.

Border security - possibly speak to Mexico paying for the wall, executive order after temper tantrum and shutting down the gov't, Trump policies that support children in cages and the many deaths experienced due to his policies.

Boom economy - impact to the highest earners and corporations as opposed to the middle class. Also the impact to the debt.

Better trade deals - the success or failures of tariffs and the results to our economy; specifically to the midwest and farmers.

Infrastructure - Speak to the bills presented so far by Trump and the GOP.


BIGV - 6/27/2019 at 10:40 PM

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Border security - possibly speak to Mexico paying for the wall, executive order after temper tantrum and shutting down the gov't, Trump policies that support children in cages and the many deaths experienced due to his policies.


"Children in cages".....The system is flat out overwhelmed, they can not build shelters fast enough, 80,000 a month are flooding the border. Who pays for this? And what are the solutions offered by Democrats?..Besides blaming Trump?....(lol) Sanctuary cities, driver's licences for Illegals, education, health care and some are even pushing for right to Vote to be afforded to those crossing illegally. And who is going to pay?...The Dems feel taxation cures everything, that the burden is all of ours to bear..."F" that. I am responsible for my family, myself and my friends, no more no less. You wanna help? You want to see this administration stop doing the exact same thing the Obama Admin did in regards to these children?...Donate your $, donate your house, your time. But stop trying to guilt others into thinking this is a USA problem, because it is not.


BrerRabbit - 6/27/2019 at 10:56 PM

Birth rates way down, lots of jobs most of us are incapable of doing, we need them.


BIGV - 6/27/2019 at 10:59 PM

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Birth rates way down, lots of jobs most of us are incapable of doing, we need them.


Then they can enter legally.

Problem solved.


BrerRabbit - 6/27/2019 at 11:07 PM

Then make it legal to enter. Problem solved.


BIGV - 6/27/2019 at 11:12 PM

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Then make it legal to enter. Problem solved.


It is legal to enter, when you follow the rules, Evidently that is too much to ask and punishing those who break the Law is mean!

Therefore, according to the Democrats, we should roll out the red carpet and all Americans should be elated at the prospect of digging into their wallets to help!

If not?..Well. you are just a racist!


BrerRabbit - 6/28/2019 at 12:26 AM

Biggest humanitarian crisis in US history, maybe if not elated, at least willing to help out some.


OriginalGoober - 6/28/2019 at 01:42 AM


who's tuning in to the "Great American Give-away, Part II"?


OriginalGoober - 6/28/2019 at 01:51 AM

Democrats pledge to not deport illegals, criminals included.


OriginalGoober - 6/28/2019 at 01:55 AM


Democrats China policy leans hard to end tariffs and trade wars. Every answer was a version of get back to Kumbaya with this oppressive regime.


BrerRabbit - 6/28/2019 at 01:58 AM

Conservatives sounding kinda cranky round here today.


OriginalGoober - 6/28/2019 at 02:08 AM

Democrats lean hard to say cops all suffer from systemic racism. Reparations are being dangled to the black community. The old white guys on the stage are doing the " I'm not racist " dance. Kamala Harris wins the race segment.


BIGV - 6/28/2019 at 02:10 AM

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Democrats lean hard to say cops all suffer from systemic racism. Reparations are being dangled to the black community. The old white guys on the stage are doing the " I'm not racist " dance. Kamala Harris wins the race segment.


She just kicked Joe's butt all over that stage, the man is going to have a hard time out running his past...


OriginalGoober - 6/28/2019 at 02:12 AM

Bernie rants about capitalism. Democrats pledge to end a bunch of stuff that has no impact on the average American.


BIGV - 6/28/2019 at 02:15 AM

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Bernie rants about capitalism. Democrats pledge to end a bunch of stuff that has no impact on the average American.


I love all the talk about what they are going to do with absolutely no mention as to where the money is going to come from.....


BrerRabbit - 6/28/2019 at 02:16 AM

Thank god I dont have cable.


OriginalGoober - 6/28/2019 at 02:18 AM

Democrats all stand firm on roe vs wade. K. Gillibrand wins the round.


OriginalGoober - 6/28/2019 at 02:30 AM

Democrats talk climate change. All Pledge to restart the Paris agreement. Buttipleg wants a carbon tax. Hickenlooper's makes some good points. Doesn't condemn fossil fuels to the horror of his stage mates.

Biden is jumbling the talking points. Bernie wants a global kumbaya on co2 emissions. No clear climate change leader on stage. No original thought just reciting the same platitudes.






BIGV - 6/28/2019 at 02:31 AM

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Thank god I dont have cable.


I am watching this comedy show on-line...


OriginalGoober - 6/28/2019 at 02:43 AM

Gun reform. Swalwell is coming for your ar15...literally. the NRA's is evil and the 2nd amendment is trampled on by all on the stage.



OriginalGoober - 6/28/2019 at 02:46 AM

Biden has lost his veep swagger. Bernie wants kumbaya with the ayatollah.


OriginalGoober - 6/28/2019 at 02:58 AM

Democrats dont need a fresh new face, they need a moderate. The Colorado older guy seemed to get the closest to the left of center. The others are far left.


BIGV - 6/28/2019 at 03:02 AM


goldtop - 6/28/2019 at 05:42 AM

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If a undocumented person is hit by a car while walking across the street and has several broken bones. do you just let them lie there or do you call for help?

If you call for help who do you think is paying when they're taken to the hospital? Right now who do you think pays for it??

If you don't call for help I'd have to question your lack of ethics, moral and humanity. Just wondering if you consider yourself a christian?


MartinD28 - 6/28/2019 at 11:22 AM

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Democrats all stand firm on roe vs wade. K. Gillibrand wins the round.


Are you against a woman's right to choose?


MartinD28 - 6/28/2019 at 11:31 AM

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Thank god I dont have cable.


I am watching this comedy show on-line...

If you like comedy, you'd probably have gotten much more comedic entertainment out of Trump at the G20 yesterday where "Trump tells Putin playfully: 'Don't meddle in the election.' Putin laughs".

Comedy gold. What a riot. Not sure why Trump & Putin would even mention Russian meddling. After all, Trump takes the side of all his intel agencies over a former KGB chief, doesn't he?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/27/donald-trump-tells- putin-playfully-dont-meddle-election/1581694001/


MartinD28 - 6/28/2019 at 11:32 AM

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Democrats dont need a fresh new face, they need a moderate. The Colorado older guy seemed to get the closest to the left of center. The others are far left.


You seem very informed of who the candidates are - "the Colorado older guy".


MartinD28 - 6/28/2019 at 11:44 AM

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Democrats lean hard to say cops all suffer from systemic racism. Reparations are being dangled to the black community. The old white guys on the stage are doing the " I'm not racist " dance. Kamala Harris wins the race segment.


She just kicked Joe's butt all over that stage, the man is going to have a hard time out running his past...


Not really.

By the way, what % of the non-white vote did Trump take in the previous election? Do you think he can expand upon that minute %? Any thought as to why he gets so little support from non-whites?

He will have have a hard time running from his past, present, and future racist thoughts & statements.

Remember Charlottesville and "good people on both sides"?

Remember The Central Park 5? "After their arrests, the five were violently interrogated and deprived of food and sleep, and they ultimately offered a coerced confession. Trump then took out a full-page ad in a number of newspapers calling for their execution. More than a decade after the exoneration of five black and Latino teens accused of raping a woman in Central Park, President Donald Trump indicated on Tuesday that he still doesn’t accept their innocence. Nor does he think he owes them an apology for publicly calling for their executions."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/18/18684217/trump-central-pa rk-5-netflix


nebish - 6/28/2019 at 12:02 PM

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Bernie rants about capitalism. Democrats pledge to end a bunch of stuff that has no impact on the average American.


I love all the talk about what they are going to do with absolutely no mention as to where the money is going to come from.....


Kamala got mad when she was asked about how proposals would be paid for, responding to the effect 'Republicans didn't have to say how they would pay for their plan(s)'...and still didn't explain where the money comes from.

I didn't make it through this whole debate, I wanted to, but fell asleep with maybe 30 minutes to go.

Just like Wednesday evening, the current Senators give the appearance of being most prepared, experienced and knowledgeable on the issues, which shouldn't be surprising, but unlike the first debate where I thought that Castro really broke through, I didn't see any non-Senator have a moment like that. The 3 Senators, Buttigieg and Biden made is extremely difficult for anyone else to get much time in. Nobody throws elbows and buts in like de Blasio so for the 5 underdogs last night I didn't see one that made a mark. I was interested to see how Hickenlooper would do, he just didn't get much time. 4 of the 6 candidates who spoke under 1000 words were in the second debate (Yang, Inslee, de Blasio, Hickenlooper, Swallwell, Williamson). Yang said 594 words. He had 2 minutes 56 seconds I believe. That is really a shame, to meet the criteria to make it into a 2 hour debate and you get less than 3 minutes.


MartinD28 - 6/28/2019 at 12:49 PM

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Bernie rants about capitalism. Democrats pledge to end a bunch of stuff that has no impact on the average American.


I love all the talk about what they are going to do with absolutely no mention as to where the money is going to come from.....


Kamala got mad when she was asked about how proposals would be paid for, responding to the effect 'Republicans didn't have to say how they would pay for their plan(s)'...and still didn't explain where the money comes from.

I didn't make it through this whole debate, I wanted to, but fell asleep with maybe 30 minutes to go.

Just like Wednesday evening, the current Senators give the appearance of being most prepared, experienced and knowledgeable on the issues, which shouldn't be surprising, but unlike the first debate where I thought that Castro really broke through, I didn't see any non-Senator have a moment like that. The 3 Senators, Buttigieg and Biden made is extremely difficult for anyone else to get much time in. Nobody throws elbows and buts in like de Blasio so for the 5 underdogs last night I didn't see one that made a mark. I was interested to see how Hickenlooper would do, he just didn't get much time. 4 of the 6 candidates who spoke under 1000 words were in the second debate (Yang, Inslee, de Blasio, Hickenlooper, Swallwell, Williamson). Yang said 594 words. He had 2 minutes 56 seconds I believe. That is really a shame, to meet the criteria to make it into a 2 hour debate and you get less than 3 minutes.




Good perspective.

The Dems need to pair the numbers down quickly so viewers / audience can get a bit more focus on issues than having 20 on stage and a few in the wings. Realistically, there are probably only 4 or 5 with the money & support to mount serious campaigns. Most of the others are looking to expand name recognition and play for the future.


BIGV - 6/28/2019 at 01:22 PM

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If a undocumented person is hit by a car while walking across the street and has several broken bones. do you just let them lie there or do you call for help?


You and I are not cut from the same cloth. Obviously no one deserves to suffer, but one should not be rewarded for breaking the law. Billed in full for services provided; wages attached to secure payment for services provided, then deported.

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If you call for help who do you think is paying when they're taken to the hospital? Right now who do you think pays for it??


Taxpayer money and don't hand me this "He pays taxes" routine. He is here illegally and therefore all of the actions said individual is "participating" in are illegal.

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If you don't call for help I'd have to question your lack of ethics, moral and humanity. Just wondering if you consider yourself a christian?


Nicely played, the old guilt trip argument. Either the Law means something or it does not and by the show of hands from last night's debate, the law means zero.


BIGV - 6/28/2019 at 01:25 PM

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Democrats lean hard to say cops all suffer from systemic racism. Reparations are being dangled to the black community. The old white guys on the stage are doing the " I'm not racist " dance. Kamala Harris wins the race segment.


She just kicked Joe's butt all over that stage, the man is going to have a hard time out running his past...


Not really.

By the way, what % of the non-white vote did Trump take in the previous election? Do you think he can expand upon that minute %? Any thought as to why he gets so little support from non-whites?

He will have have a hard time running from his past, present, and future racist thoughts & statements.

Remember Charlottesville and "good people on both sides"?

Remember The Central Park 5? "After their arrests, the five were violently interrogated and deprived of food and sleep, and they ultimately offered a coerced confession. Trump then took out a full-page ad in a number of newspapers calling for their execution. More than a decade after the exoneration of five black and Latino teens accused of raping a woman in Central Park, President Donald Trump indicated on Tuesday that he still doesn’t accept their innocence. Nor does he think he owes them an apology for publicly calling for their executions."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/18/18684217/trump-central-pa rk-5-netflix


Was President Trump a participant in last night's debate?..Or was it Joe Biden on stage with egg all over his face and his feet on fire after Kamala Harris took him to task about his voting past?

And btw, even though I disagree with almost all of her politics, she certainly looks like the new front runner to me.


MartinD28 - 6/28/2019 at 02:25 PM

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Democrats lean hard to say cops all suffer from systemic racism. Reparations are being dangled to the black community. The old white guys on the stage are doing the " I'm not racist " dance. Kamala Harris wins the race segment.


She just kicked Joe's butt all over that stage, the man is going to have a hard time out running his past...


Not really.

By the way, what % of the non-white vote did Trump take in the previous election? Do you think he can expand upon that minute %? Any thought as to why he gets so little support from non-whites?

He will have have a hard time running from his past, present, and future racist thoughts & statements.

Remember Charlottesville and "good people on both sides"?

Remember The Central Park 5? "After their arrests, the five were violently interrogated and deprived of food and sleep, and they ultimately offered a coerced confession. Trump then took out a full-page ad in a number of newspapers calling for their execution. More than a decade after the exoneration of five black and Latino teens accused of raping a woman in Central Park, President Donald Trump indicated on Tuesday that he still doesn’t accept their innocence. Nor does he think he owes them an apology for publicly calling for their executions."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/18/18684217/trump-central-pa rk-5-netflix


Was President Trump a participant in last night's debate?..Or was it Joe Biden on stage with egg all over his face and his feet on fire after Kamala Harris took him to task about his voting past?

And btw, even though I disagree with almost all of her politics, she certainly looks like the new front runner to me.


The existing incumbent is always onstage in an opposing party's debate. This is especially the case of a racist president supported by the likes of David Duke. In addition, hate crimes are up during the Trump presidency...coincidence or cause and effect? Do you believe Trump to be a racist...simple answer - yes or no?

Kamala Harris - the new front runner? I give you a 1 in a 100 chance of that. Watch the numbers and see them prove you wrong.


BIGV - 6/28/2019 at 03:14 PM

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The existing incumbent is always onstage in an opposing party's debate. This is especially the case of a racist president supported by the likes of David Duke. In addition, hate crimes are up during the Trump presidency...coincidence or cause and effect? Do you believe Trump to be a racist...simple answer - yes or no?

Kamala Harris - the new front runner? I give you a 1 in a 100 chance of that. Watch the numbers and see them prove you wrong.


I do not and will never by into the Liberal hyperbole that to disagree with them places you in a category.....So, no, I do not believe he is a racist.

Biden is old and is dragging his past around with him like an ankle bracelet weighing close to a ton. Harris is a bulldog who has drawn blood and will become even more aggressive as these debates increase in frequency.

I will take that wager and place a $5 on it.


nebish - 6/28/2019 at 09:21 PM

I tend to think that Kamala can and will elevate.

Martin, why do you think she will not become a front-runner? Are you taking the angle that "America" isn't ready for a black woman President? I think if we limited poll respondents to "likely Democrat voters" that she has potential to poll quite well, perhaps a leading role at some point.

I don't have anything against Biden, I think he could be fine in the role of POTUS. One thing that really seemed odd last night, 3x I believe, there must be some kind of light that the candidates can see when their time is up or when a commercial break is coming, 3 times I think, Biden stopped talking dead in his tracks and yielded - almost like he was relieved to be "saved by the bell" or something. It was really odd. Not a great night for Joe and I am kind of pessimistic that these debates are going to help him much.


MartinD28 - 6/28/2019 at 09:58 PM

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I tend to think that Kamala can and will elevate.

Martin, why do you think she will not become a front-runner? Are you taking the angle that "America" isn't ready for a black woman President? I think if we limited poll respondents to "likely Democrat voters" that she has potential to poll quite well, perhaps a leading role at some point.

I don't have anything against Biden, I think he could be fine in the role of POTUS. One thing that really seemed odd last night, 3x I believe, there must be some kind of light that the candidates can see when their time is up or when a commercial break is coming, 3 times I think, Biden stopped talking dead in his tracks and yielded - almost like he was relieved to be "saved by the bell" or something. It was really odd. Not a great night for Joe and I am kind of pessimistic that these debates are going to help him much.


I'm one of those who choose words carefully. The original question by bigv was "Kamala Harris - the new front runner?" To me this is <> to your question, "why do you think she will not become a front-runner?" There is a difference here between "a front runner" and "the front runner". My initial response was an implication that as a result of this debate she will not overtake Biden. In time...maybe...we'll see.

Your next question - "Are you taking the angle that "America" isn't ready for a black woman President?" Response - no, or at least I hope not. She is quite skilled in prosecuting issues as witnessed when she took apart Attorney General Barr when he testified before the Senate as well as her performance last night. Quite frankly, it would be better than reality TV to see her eat Trump's lunch in a debate. She appears to be quite strong, and I doubt Trump could handle her. She's too quick & too smart for him. I suspect she would be much much stronger on stage opposing Trump than HC. If she is the nominee, she certainly has my vote. I would like to see her on the ticket as prez or VP nominee.

We'll see where the next polls take us. Who knows as dynamics potentially shift as result of events such as debates. They evolve. My gut tells me Biden remains at the top possibly dropping a few % points, Warren gains maybe enough to surpass Bernie, and that Harris gains. The actual numbers in the next polls (plural) will be interesting.


BIGV - 6/29/2019 at 04:00 AM


goldtop - 6/29/2019 at 04:22 AM

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I guess you don't realize how racist that is but I'll just allow you to think you're trying to be funny...sad example of American values and brings your credibility level to minus numbers


nebish - 6/29/2019 at 12:29 PM

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I'm one of those who choose words carefully. The original question by bigv was "Kamala Harris - the new front runner?" To me this is <> to your question, "why do you think she will not become a front-runner?" There is a difference here between "a front runner" and "the front runner". My initial response was an implication that as a result of this debate she will not overtake Biden. In time...maybe...we'll see.

Your next question - "Are you taking the angle that "America" isn't ready for a black woman President?" Response - no, or at least I hope not. She is quite skilled in prosecuting issues as witnessed when she took apart Attorney General Barr when he testified before the Senate as well as her performance last night. Quite frankly, it would be better than reality TV to see her eat Trump's lunch in a debate. She appears to be quite strong, and I doubt Trump could handle her. She's too quick & too smart for him. I suspect she would be much much stronger on stage opposing Trump than HC. If she is the nominee, she certainly has my vote. I would like to see her on the ticket as prez or VP nominee.

We'll see where the next polls take us. Who knows as dynamics potentially shift as result of events such as debates. They evolve. My gut tells me Biden remains at the top possibly dropping a few % points, Warren gains maybe enough to surpass Bernie, and that Harris gains. The actual numbers in the next polls (plural) will be interesting.


Good explanation behind your answer.


BIGV - 6/29/2019 at 12:47 PM

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I guess you don't realize how racist that is but I'll just allow you to think you're trying to be funny...sad example of American values and brings your credibility level to minus numbers


"Don't realize"?...or simply disagree?...and you are correct, I think it's hilarious and speaks directly to what these people feel they are attempting to project.


Skydog32103 - 6/29/2019 at 01:37 PM

all this back and forth reminds me of an old saying: you will never reach higher ground if you are always pushing others down.


Skydog32103 - 6/29/2019 at 01:42 PM

i have to be honest that i have not watched the debates yet. politics got way too ugly for me halfway through the obama administration, and i haven't been able to get back into it since. if the democrats launch into a steady stream of trump-bashing, they are sure to lose again. they'd be wise to take a page from obama's playbook by paying no mind to the tantrum-throwing child. but i don't have faith that a strong enough democratic candidate will emerge. it will take something special to defeat trump, and i'm not sure that anyone in this pack is that special.




[Edited on 6/29/2019 by Skydog32103]


BIGV - 6/29/2019 at 02:00 PM

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If the democrats launch into a steady stream of trump-bashing, they are sure to lose again.


Agreed. Rise above it, sell and market your ideas and beliefs. Weave new thoughts into a more centrist core.


MartinD28 - 6/29/2019 at 03:31 PM

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i have to be honest that i have not watched the debates yet. politics got way too ugly for me halfway through the obama administration, and i haven't been able to get back into it since. if the democrats launch into a steady stream of trump-bashing, they are sure to lose again. they'd be wise to take a page from obama's playbook by paying no mind to the tantrum-throwing child. but i don't have faith that a strong enough democratic candidate will emerge. it will take something special to defeat trump, and i'm not sure that anyone in this pack is that special.




[Edited on 6/29/2019 by Skydog32103]


I've mentioned before but applicable here again. My belief is that the 2018 midterms which were a referendum will carry over to the general election. Voters came out in record numbers to show their disdain for Trump & his policies. He said he was on the ballot at many stump speeches until his backed candidates lost. Then, of course he distanced himself from the losers. The amount of anti Trump sentiment across multiple sectors of the population from suburban women, to Latinos, to LGBT, to pro choice, to etc. will hopefully mobilize and turn out in record numbers to deprive him of a second term.

I believe that the Democrats need a good candidate but they don't even need a great candidate to defeat Trump. The theory is that Trump's words and actions are the best candidate that the Democrats have. With polarization already baked in, there is only a thin slice of voters that need to be flipped to show Trump an exit. He won 3 mid-western / similar states by < 100K votes total. That alone is doable to make a difference.

If the country has not seen enough of him - his lack of character, his affinity to dictators, his bigotry, his misogyny, his white nationalism, his conflicts of interest, his cesspool of an inner circle, and his self-created daily chaos, then we deserve what we get if the voters put him back in office for a second term.


2112 - 6/29/2019 at 05:59 PM

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i have to be honest that i have not watched the debates yet. politics got way too ugly for me halfway through the obama administration, and i haven't been able to get back into it since. if the democrats launch into a steady stream of trump-bashing, they are sure to lose again. they'd be wise to take a page from obama's playbook by paying no mind to the tantrum-throwing child. but i don't have faith that a strong enough democratic candidate will emerge. it will take something special to defeat trump, and i'm not sure that anyone in this pack is that special.

[Edited on 6/29/2019 by Skydog32103]


I've mentioned before but applicable here again. My belief is that the 2018 midterms which were a referendum will carry over to the general election. Voters came out in record numbers to show their disdain for Trump & his policies. He said he was on the ballot at many stump speeches until his backed candidates lost. Then, of course he distanced himself from the losers. The amount of anti Trump sentiment across multiple sectors of the population from suburban women, to Latinos, to LGBT, to pro choice, to etc. will hopefully mobilize and turn out in record numbers to deprive him of a second term.

I believe that the Democrats need a good candidate but they don't even need a great candidate to defeat Trump. The theory is that Trump's words and actions are the best candidate that the Democrats have. With polarization already baked in, there is only a thin slice of voters that need to be flipped to show Trump an exit. He won 3 mid-western / similar states by < 100K votes total. That alone is doable to make a difference.

If the country has not seen enough of him - his lack of character, his affinity to dictators, his bigotry, his misogyny, his white nationalism, his conflicts of interest, his cesspool of an inner circle, and his self-created daily chaos, then we deserve what we get if the voters put him back in office for a second term.


I don't think the Democrats need anyone special, they just need to keep from shooting themselves in the foot, as they are prone to do. The Republicans are great about showing up and voting for whoever has an (R) behind their name. Democrats, not so much. The Bernie or bust type voters are far more common in the Democratic party. Lots of Democrats seem to decide not to show up if their candidate isn't exactly what they are hoping for. The hack on the DNC is what cost Hillary the last election. It could happen again. Never, ever underestimate the Democrats ability to blow an election. Keep in mind, we are only talking about a handful of states that matter here. If the Democratic candidate appeals to Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Virginia, they win. Otherwise, Trump gets another 4 more years. It matters not if Trump gets less than 40% of the vote, as he is most popular in states where nobody lives.


MartinD28 - 6/29/2019 at 08:24 PM

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i have to be honest that i have not watched the debates yet. politics got way too ugly for me halfway through the obama administration, and i haven't been able to get back into it since. if the democrats launch into a steady stream of trump-bashing, they are sure to lose again. they'd be wise to take a page from obama's playbook by paying no mind to the tantrum-throwing child. but i don't have faith that a strong enough democratic candidate will emerge. it will take something special to defeat trump, and i'm not sure that anyone in this pack is that special.

[Edited on 6/29/2019 by Skydog32103]


I've mentioned before but applicable here again. My belief is that the 2018 midterms which were a referendum will carry over to the general election. Voters came out in record numbers to show their disdain for Trump & his policies. He said he was on the ballot at many stump speeches until his backed candidates lost. Then, of course he distanced himself from the losers. The amount of anti Trump sentiment across multiple sectors of the population from suburban women, to Latinos, to LGBT, to pro choice, to etc. will hopefully mobilize and turn out in record numbers to deprive him of a second term.

I believe that the Democrats need a good candidate but they don't even need a great candidate to defeat Trump. The theory is that Trump's words and actions are the best candidate that the Democrats have. With polarization already baked in, there is only a thin slice of voters that need to be flipped to show Trump an exit. He won 3 mid-western / similar states by < 100K votes total. That alone is doable to make a difference.

If the country has not seen enough of him - his lack of character, his affinity to dictators, his bigotry, his misogyny, his white nationalism, his conflicts of interest, his cesspool of an inner circle, and his self-created daily chaos, then we deserve what we get if the voters put him back in office for a second term.


It matters not if Trump gets less than 40% of the vote, as he is most popular in states where nobody lives.


Good point. Now we're talking. This all makes perfectly good sense. Trump wins and "is most popular in states where nobody lives." That leaves the millions of illegals in remaining states that voted against Trump. These are the illegals that Trump kept telling us about, and the only reason he didn't win the popular vote. Not gonna happen this time, as the wall he promised will keep them out this time. Fewer illegals = less votes for the Dems.


Chain - 6/29/2019 at 09:01 PM

Did anyone catch any of the debates this past week? I didn't but of course heard Kamala Harris garnered the most attention by most accounts...I don't agree with her entire platform, but like her intelligence and toughness. I'm also glad she called out Biden (who I'm not a big fan of) on some of his past stances on issues.


BIGV - 6/29/2019 at 09:18 PM

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Did anyone catch any of the debates this past week? I didn't but of course heard Kamala Harris garnered the most attention by most accounts...I don't agree with her entire platform, but like her intelligence and toughness. I'm also glad she called out Biden (who I'm not a big fan of) on some of his past stances on issues.


I have watched every minute. My honest take is that these Candidates are going to keep trying to pound a square peg into a round hole because " this is what we do"


MartinD28 - 6/29/2019 at 09:31 PM

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Did anyone catch any of the debates this past week? I didn't but of course heard Kamala Harris garnered the most attention by most accounts...I don't agree with her entire platform, but like her intelligence and toughness. I'm also glad she called out Biden (who I'm not a big fan of) on some of his past stances on issues.


I have watched every minute. My honest take is that these Candidates are going to keep trying to pound a square peg into a round hole because " this is what we do"


The bigger question is who is Trump's next victim of pounding his peg into a hole. Remember, he never met any of his victims.


BIGV - 6/30/2019 at 08:27 PM

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Did anyone catch any of the debates this past week? I didn't but of course heard Kamala Harris garnered the most attention by most accounts...I don't agree with her entire platform, but like her intelligence and toughness. I'm also glad she called out Biden (who I'm not a big fan of) on some of his past stances on issues.


I have watched every minute. My honest take is that these Candidates are going to keep trying to pound a square peg into a round hole because " this is what we do"


The bigger question is who is Trump's next victim of pounding his peg into a hole. Remember, he never met any of his victims.


Once again, I have watched every minute of the debates and feel the leadership of the democratic party is lost for this reason in particular (among many)..If you've watched, there was a moment in the last debate where the question was asked "Should everyone, including illegal aliens receive medical benefits"? ALL of them raised their hands. Does the democratic Party represent all of their constituents? or just the extreme left? Their are zero voting democrats who do not agree with this? Think that show of hands alienated ......anyone? The Dems have so far to go in realizing that not everyone votes in a straight line.

Biggest mistake they can make?...Nominating another "older" hard liner in Joe Biden. Obama won with youth and change, everything Biden is not.

I predict right now that Kamala Harris will be the nominee and that she will talk HC into being her V.P.

That, is change.


MartinD28 - 6/30/2019 at 08:52 PM

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I tend to think that Kamala can and will elevate.

Martin, why do you think she will not become a front-runner? Are you taking the angle that "America" isn't ready for a black woman President? I think if we limited poll respondents to "likely Democrat voters" that she has potential to poll quite well, perhaps a leading role at some point.

I don't have anything against Biden, I think he could be fine in the role of POTUS. One thing that really seemed odd last night, 3x I believe, there must be some kind of light that the candidates can see when their time is up or when a commercial break is coming, 3 times I think, Biden stopped talking dead in his tracks and yielded - almost like he was relieved to be "saved by the bell" or something. It was really odd. Not a great night for Joe and I am kind of pessimistic that these debates are going to help him much.


I'm one of those who choose words carefully. The original question by bigv was "Kamala Harris - the new front runner?" To me this is <> to your question, "why do you think she will not become a front-runner?" There is a difference here between "a front runner" and "the front runner". My initial response was an implication that as a result of this debate she will not overtake Biden. In time...maybe...we'll see.

Your next question - "Are you taking the angle that "America" isn't ready for a black woman President?" Response - no, or at least I hope not. She is quite skilled in prosecuting issues as witnessed when she took apart Attorney General Barr when he testified before the Senate as well as her performance last night. Quite frankly, it would be better than reality TV to see her eat Trump's lunch in a debate. She appears to be quite strong, and I doubt Trump could handle her. She's too quick & too smart for him. I suspect she would be much much stronger on stage opposing Trump than HC. If she is the nominee, she certainly has my vote. I would like to see her on the ticket as prez or VP nominee.

We'll see where the next polls take us. Who knows as dynamics potentially shift as result of events such as debates. They evolve. My gut tells me Biden remains at the top possibly dropping a few % points, Warren gains maybe enough to surpass Bernie, and that Harris gains. The actual numbers in the next polls (plural) will be interesting.


Here's the Morning Consult Poll narrative following the debate.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/30/20611577/kamala-harris-el izabeth-warren-2020-primary-third-post-debate-poll


MartinD28 - 6/30/2019 at 08:58 PM

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Did anyone catch any of the debates this past week? I didn't but of course heard Kamala Harris garnered the most attention by most accounts...I don't agree with her entire platform, but like her intelligence and toughness. I'm also glad she called out Biden (who I'm not a big fan of) on some of his past stances on issues.


I have watched every minute. My honest take is that these Candidates are going to keep trying to pound a square peg into a round hole because " this is what we do"


The bigger question is who is Trump's next victim of pounding his peg into a hole. Remember, he never met any of his victims.


Once again, I have watched every minute of the debates and feel the leadership of the democratic party is lost for this reason in particular (among many)..If you've watched, there was a moment in the last debate where the question was asked "Should everyone, including illegal aliens receive medical benefits"? ALL of them raised their hands. Does the democratic Party represent all of their constituents? or just the extreme left? Their are zero voting democrats who do not agree with this? Think that show of hands alienated ......anyone? The Dems have so far to go in realizing that not everyone votes in a straight line.

Biggest mistake they can make?...Nominating another "older" hard liner in Joe Biden. Obama won with youth and change, everything Biden is not.

I predict right now that Kamala Harris will be the nominee and that she will talk HC into being her V.P.

That, is change.


Your prediction is laughable. HC is done as prez or VP candidate. I will bet you $100.00 or even $1000.00 right here right now that HC will not be on the ticket. Will you step up to the plate and back your prediction?


pops42 - 6/30/2019 at 10:22 PM

The election is a long way off, Biden could croak, Mayor Pete could get caught getting a tuggie from Beto?, lots of time folks!.


BIGV - 7/1/2019 at 06:04 AM

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Your prediction is laughable.


OK, point taken, you disagree with my prediction. Let's laugh together!...Ready? Hahahahaha!

Now, do you feel like addressing the hands being raised in support of medical benefits for Illegal Immigrants?


MartinD28 - 7/1/2019 at 03:24 PM

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Your prediction is laughable.


OK, point taken, you disagree with my prediction. Let's laugh together!...Ready? Hahahahaha!

Now, do you feel like addressing the hands being raised in support of medical benefits for Illegal Immigrants?


I didn't surprise me that you wouldn't have the fortitude to step up and back your prediction with anything more than deflection.

To answer your deflection - I don't support providing medical benefits to illegal immigrants.

I also don't condone Trump's policy of family separation.


Skydog32103 - 7/1/2019 at 04:00 PM

i would hope every single one of us here would call 911 if an illegal alien was dying in front of our eyes. in this scenario the alien would receive free medical benefits, then be arrested and deported, and we taxpayers would foot the bill. while an unfortunate reality, this is the humane thing to do, and it’s how Jesus wants Christians to be.

i pray I live long enough to see our country rise above these click bait distractions.


MartinD28 - 7/1/2019 at 04:23 PM

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i would hope every single one of us here would call 911 if an illegal alien was dying in front of our eyes. in this scenario the alien would receive free medical benefits, then be arrested and deported, and we taxpayers would foot the bill. while an unfortunate reality, this is the humane thing to do, and it’s how Jesus wants Christians to be.

i pray I live long enough to see our country rise above these click bait distractions.



I don't disagree here. So let me clarify my position - I don't have a problem with necessary medical care which is not the same as medical benefits. There is a difference. That is an entire discussion unto itself.

These are complicated issues from multiple angles - compassion, social, economic, political, legal, etc. Somehow society needs to figure the best and acceptable / reasonable solutions.


BIGV - 7/1/2019 at 09:14 PM

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I didn't surprise me that you wouldn't have the fortitude to step up and back your prediction with anything more than deflection.


Fortitude ? Are you serious?...That's your choice of verbiage for one who predicts the outcome of a Political Parties nomination process?

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I don't support providing medical benefits to illegal immigrants.


We agree here

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I also don't condone Trump's policy of family separation.


Did you throw your support behind this policy when the Obama administration did the exact same thing?


MartinD28 - 7/1/2019 at 09:48 PM

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I didn't surprise me that you wouldn't have the fortitude to step up and back your prediction with anything more than deflection.


Fortitude ? Are you serious?...That's your choice of verbiage for one who predicts the outcome of a Political Parties nomination process?

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I don't support providing medical benefits to illegal immigrants.


We agree here

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I also don't condone Trump's policy of family separation.


Did you throw your support behind this policy when the Obama administration did the exact same thing?


"Fortitude ? Are you serious?...That's your choice of verbiage for one who predicts the outcome of a Political Parties nomination process?"

No - not the prediction. The challenge to your prediction. Sorry you wouldn't accept a challenge. I put hard $ behind it because I'm more than convinced that you will be proven dead wrong and was thinking you might back your belief in a friendly bet. I was prepared to donate the $ to charity. Several years ago an acquaintance bet me that Obama would not be reelected. I donated the $100.00 that he lost to an inner city school here.

You like to make your points then move on to do a follow up & unrelated question. I guess I could do the same and ask you about Trump's G-20 meetings kissing ass to Putin & MBS and giving accolades & kind words to these dictators, murderers, and abusers of human rights violations, but I won't waste my time.

Re: Obama - do a google search on family separation Obama. Below are just the start of many hits for context and perspective.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-fam ilies/

Donald Trump, again, falsely says Obama had family separation policy ...
https://www.politifact.com/.../donald-trump-again-falsely-says-obama-had-fa mily-s/

Claim: "When I became president, President Obama had a separation policy. I didn’t have it. He had it."
Claimed by: Donald Trump
Fact check by PolitiFact: False
Feedback
Trump again falsely says Obama started family separation policy
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/.../06/...obama...family-separation/154 0733001/
Jun 23, 2019 - Trump said Obama initiated the policy of separating those children from their caregivers, even though fact checkers have found that claim to be ...
Trump Falsely Claims Obama Began Migrant Family Separations | Time
https://time.com › Politics › White House

Jun 23, 2019 - President Donald Trump dismissed the plight of migrant children housed in U.S. detention centers and falsely claimed that his predecessor enacted a policy to separate kids from their caregivers after they illegally cross the border. Asked in an interview broadcast Sunday about ...


BIGV - 7/2/2019 at 02:54 AM

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Jun 23, 2019 - President Donald Trump dismissed the plight of migrant children housed in U.S. detention centers and falsely claimed that his predecessor enacted a policy to separate kids from their caregivers after they illegally cross the border. Asked in an interview broadcast Sunday about ...


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It isn't the fault of law enforcement that people get separated. It's the fault of the perpetrator. If someone enters this country illegally and knows he's in the country illegally and is found to be in the country illegally and is ordered removed from the country and chooses to have a child in this country that's a U.S. citizen by virtue of birth, he put himself in that position, so ICE is not separating that family.


Thomas Homan, Obama’s executive associate director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement


Skydog32103 - 7/2/2019 at 03:31 AM

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It isn't the fault of law enforcement that people get separated. It's the fault of the perpetrator. If someone enters this country illegally and knows he's in the country illegally and is found to be in the country illegally and is ordered removed from the country and chooses to have a child in this country that's a U.S. citizen by virtue of birth, he put himself in that position, so ICE is not separating that family.


a classic “if x then z” charade by Homan, who conveniently made that comment after Obama left office. “if it’s not law enforcement’s fault, it must be the migrants.” what fool believes there are no other options? the leader should also be in the discussion, especially since one chose to decriminalize migrants, and the other chose to criminalize them.


BIGV - 7/2/2019 at 03:53 AM

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It isn't the fault of law enforcement that people get separated. It's the fault of the perpetrator. If someone enters this country illegally and knows he's in the country illegally and is found to be in the country illegally and is ordered removed from the country and chooses to have a child in this country that's a U.S. citizen by virtue of birth, he put himself in that position, so ICE is not separating that family.


a classic “if x then z” charade by Homan, who conveniently made that comment after Obama left office. “if it’s not law enforcement’s fault, it must be the migrants.” what fool believes there are no other options? the leader should also be in the discussion, especially since one chose to decriminalize migrants, and the other chose to criminalize them.


Here's my issue with that sentiment.

"Are illegal immigrants breaking the Law"?

Then they have zero right to complain about the consequences


Skydog32103 - 7/2/2019 at 12:24 PM

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Here's my issue with that sentiment.

"Are illegal immigrants breaking the Law"?

Then they have zero right to complain about the consequences


migrants seeking asylum are not illegal immigrants. that’s a pretty big distinction that we must make if we want to be responsible.


BIGV - 7/2/2019 at 01:19 PM

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Here's my issue with that sentiment.

"Are illegal immigrants breaking the Law"?

Then they have zero right to complain about the consequences


migrants seeking asylum are not illegal immigrants. that’s a pretty big distinction that we must make if we want to be responsible.




Think "seeking asylum" has become a "loophole"?....Now they have to be processed and tell me, where do you keep this many "asylum seekers"? That is over 140,000 in one month. Only a Democrat would argue that is our "obligation" to care for these people and every Candidate at that debate raised their hand in support of these "asylum seekers" receiving free health care.....

Way to hand the WH right back to them man you despise

Btw, thae above graph is from the Dept of Homeland security/U.S. customs and border protection. But as you Dems like to say "It's a manufactured crises"!


Skydog32103 - 7/2/2019 at 02:30 PM

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Only a Democrat would argue that is our "obligation" to care for these people


good grief. i think I’ll exit the conversation now.

to clarify for everyone on the board Obama in no way did the same things Trump is doing regarding family separations. anyone suggesting this is irresponsibly failing to acknowledge a major distinction in policy, in an attempt to deflect and smear.


BrerRabbit - 7/2/2019 at 02:34 PM

If they are in US custody they are entitled to humane treatment.


MartinD28 - 7/2/2019 at 04:21 PM

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If they are in US custody they are entitled to humane treatment.


You are correct, but Trumpco would take exception. Compassion at its best.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/trump-administration-argues-detained-migrant-chi ldren-may-not-necessarily-need-soap-toothbrushes

"Trump administration argues detained migrant children may not necessarily need soap, toothbrushes"


BIGV - 7/2/2019 at 04:27 PM

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Only a Democrat would argue that is our "obligation" to care for these people


good grief. i think I’ll exit the conversation now.

to clarify for everyone on the board Obama in no way did the same things Trump is doing regarding family separations. anyone suggesting this is irresponsibly failing to acknowledge a major distinction in policy, in an attempt to deflect and smear.


Wrong, the Obama policy was to separate children from adults when there was no documentation stating the accompanying adults were the Parents. As time has passed and the border and its facilities continue to be overwhelmed, this is just one more loophole illegal immigrants are exploiting.


BIGV - 7/2/2019 at 04:28 PM

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If they are in US custody they are entitled to humane treatment.


Agreed, until they can be humanely returned to the border


BrerRabbit - 7/2/2019 at 04:36 PM

They should and will be afforded basic comfort, adequate nutrition and medical care while detained on US soil. Even our prisons provide this.

Playing the blame game and arguing about legal status does not change the reality that is occurring. The US has to care for these people when they are detained.

The only obvious alternative is immoral, inhumane, unAmerican, and anyone who supports it is a dirty nazi.


BrerRabbit - 7/2/2019 at 04:55 PM

If children are separated from their parents and unable to be reunited then they are wards of the US. Automatic citizenship. You break it, you buy it.

[Edited on 7/2/2019 by BrerRabbit]


porkchopbob - 7/2/2019 at 05:02 PM

I'm not really sure why this is an issue or a even a question. Any home owner knows that if something is on your property, you're likely responsible for it. That's why the U.S. has been deporting illegal immigrants consistently under every administration.

So, if you're an illegal immigrant and you end up at the hospital, you'll most likely be reported to INS and deported because they take your information upon admittance. That means it's not like there are illegal immigrants getting comfortable long-term stays while receiving expensive cancer treatment or liver transplant surgeries and sending the bill to tax payers/insurance companies. They are avoiding hospitals and clinics if they can because they get documented

But, if an illegal immigrant is in a car wreck, he's going to be treated because that's the humane, hippocratic thing to do. Once healed, likely deported, so it's not likely we can give him (or his country of origin) a hospital bill on his way out. It happened on our property, you mitigate the damage.

Sadly, thanks to the profit-driven U.S. Health Insurance industry, there are plenty of citizens who can't afford their emergency medical bills, which should be the actual issue.

[Edited on 7/2/2019 by porkchopbob]


BrerRabbit - 7/2/2019 at 05:16 PM

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I'm not really sure why this is an issue or a even a question.


Same here. But conditions for detainees are deteriorating, so reality is kicking in - if we don't like the idea of concentration camps then we are going to have to regard this situation as a necessary expense.


BrerRabbit - 7/2/2019 at 06:11 PM


That's right, no way around it. It is a crisis. It is real. It is happening. We either handle it with justice and compassion, incurring expense in the process, or we incur expense in "final solution" tactics that will cost plenty too, and infinitely more costly in loss of national character.


Skydog32103 - 7/2/2019 at 08:27 PM

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That's right, no way around it. It is a crisis. It is real. It is happening.


the earlier graphic shows an increase in apprehensions. it does not represent the number of people attempting to cross. this means the administration stormed into battle without an adequate plan. if they want to lead a surge in apprehensions i’m all for it, but a good leader would’ve implemented the proper infrastructure first in an attempt to be humane. incompetent leadership, which lead to the deaths of several children, is the only crisis.


BrerRabbit - 7/2/2019 at 08:37 PM

Incompetent leadership did not create this situation, it didn't start last year, or ten years ago or twenty, this is the end result of a century of Banana Republic economies tanking and gangster rule. These people are running for their lives, not just coming here to rip us off.

I was referring to the very real ongoing humanitarian crisis of influx of people, worsening conditions for detainees, this is going to get a lot worse if remedial action isn't taken.

These are human beings going down, right now, they need help and the USA is paralyzed by debate.


MartinD28 - 7/2/2019 at 09:52 PM

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That's right, no way around it. It is a crisis. It is real. It is happening.


the earlier graphic shows an increase in apprehensions. it does not represent the number of people attempting to cross. this means the administration stormed into battle without an adequate plan. if they want to lead a surge in apprehensions i’m all for it, but a good leader would’ve implemented the proper infrastructure first in an attempt to be humane. incompetent leadership, which lead to the deaths of several children, is the only crisis.


Strategic planning is not the way Trump manages. Good planning in support of policy is a given but not for a president that manages by impulse and by tweet. Leadership does not mean waking up in the A.M. and taking cues from the Fox & Friends Morning Show lackeys nor from bedtime chats with Sean Hannity - seriously. Real management is not nepotism & does not come from the input of your closest advisors - your daughter & son in law who have no background in domestic nor global issues other than making photo ops.

Look at the constant turnover in Trump's cabinet and the unprecedented number of positions unfilled at this point in an administration. What do people expect from a guy who ran a family real estate business that got elected on bluster and raising fears built on racism and nationalism? You certainly couldn't have expected more if you voted for or support Trump. MAGA = caveat emptor.


BIGV - 7/2/2019 at 10:30 PM

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if we don't like the idea of concentration camps


Really?...You're going to take it that far and compare the situation at the border to Treblinka & Mauthausen?


BIGV - 7/2/2019 at 10:32 PM

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These are human beings going down, right now, they need help and the USA is paralyzed by debate.


There are homeless U.S. Veterans sleeping in the streets who need our help.

Priorities?


Bhawk - 7/2/2019 at 10:52 PM

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quote:
These are human beings going down, right now, they need help and the USA is paralyzed by debate.


There are homeless U.S. Veterans sleeping in the streets who need our help.

Priorities?


Sure are. Have been for decades now. What is being done about that?


BrerRabbit - 7/2/2019 at 11:13 PM

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Really?...You're going to take it that far and compare the situation at the border to Treblinka & Mauthausen?


Don't mind me. Just viewing the situation objectively and doing some simple arithmetic. As it stands at the present moment of course not. It's called extrapolation - looking at a situation and projecting with known factors. The way it is going, lots and lots of people requiring lockup, absolutely yes, it will require concentration camps to handle. They won't necessarily be as harsh as Treblinka, but could easily be comparable to past US concentration camps such as the Japanese holding facilities, or early Indian reservations - which btw is where Hitler got the idea for wholesale roundup and detention of entire populations. Lots and lots of people, mass incarceration, simple really.

Children separated from parents living in stinking cages with no protection and no rights, what do you think is happening right now to them? You know what, I don't care if you don't care, but I want to see America come through for these people.

Re your homeless veterans, yes, extremely important as well, it is a big country, sometimes we have to deal with more than one thing at a time.

Or just go into deep denial have endless arguments and vent on politicians, that's always good.


BrerRabbit - 7/2/2019 at 11:20 PM

What are you going to tell St. Peter when he asks you what you supported in response to this?


BIGV - 7/2/2019 at 11:21 PM

"They won't necessarily be as harsh as Treblinka"

I still do not understand how you can even mention these horrific places in comparison to what is happening at the border....

You ought to be ashamed


BIGV - 7/2/2019 at 11:29 PM

https://youtu.be/aMSmoNOZJ9Y

This is why Trump will be re-elected and I'm guessing you'll see this in more than a few re-election commercials....

Fools


BrerRabbit - 7/2/2019 at 11:30 PM

Yeah, this is why I avoid you. I'm posting here out of genuine concern and get told to be ashamed.

Just wait, mark my words, this is heading towards concentration camps. Germans who were saying that death camps existed or might exist during WW2 were probably greeted with similar shock. If it is shameful to look directly at reality and put two and two together, then I guess I am shameless.

Way I see it, right now America has a golden opportunity to make good on its reputation, show the world that we are still heroes, and we take care of ourselves and others. Or go down in history as a bunch of heartless bastards like Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia.


BIGV - 7/2/2019 at 11:35 PM

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Yeah, this is why I avoid you. I'm posting here out of genuine concern and get told to be ashamed.


Your "genuine concern" compared the plight of 6 Million Jews who were put to death in gas chambers with people who have overwhelmed our resources at the border. If that needs to be explained to you at all, I stand by my words, you ought to be ashamed.


quote:
Just wait, mark my words, this is heading towards concentration camps.


Thought we should save this gem


BrerRabbit - 7/2/2019 at 11:36 PM

Anyway, you brought up Treblinka. So don't go after me for saying concentration camps. You put a lot of people in detention without due process its a concentration camp. The US has done it before, with the Japanese in WW2, like I said the early Indian reservations, those were concentration camps. I didn't say they were going to be full on death camps.


BrerRabbit - 7/2/2019 at 11:40 PM

You're starting to sound like Muleman. You can't run from your conscience so easy, you know there is some bad stuff going on down there.




BrerRabbit - 7/2/2019 at 11:42 PM

Also I didn't go for your throat and disrespect you. So back off.


BIGV - 7/2/2019 at 11:42 PM

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Anyway, you brought up Treblinka. So don't go after me for saying concentration camps. You put a lot of people in detention without due process its a concentration camp. The US has done it before, with the Japanese in WW2, like I said the early Indian reservations, those were concentration camps. I didn't say they were going to be full on death camps.


You could have used ANY term...please


BIGV - 7/2/2019 at 11:46 PM

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Anyway, you brought up Treblinka. So don't go after me for saying concentration camps.


And this was your response: "Just wait, mark my words, this is heading towards concentration camps. Germans who were saying that death camps existed or might exist during WW2 were probably greeted with similar shock"

You can't have it both ways


BrerRabbit - 7/2/2019 at 11:57 PM

Sorry if the term concentration camp bugs you, but that doesn't change the reality. The images out there of these so-called "detention facilities" look a lot like concentration camps to me.

from Merriam Webster:

Definition of concentration camp
: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard


[Edited on 7/3/2019 by BrerRabbit]


OriginalGoober - 7/4/2019 at 01:50 AM

[Quote]

Your prediction is laughable. HC is done as prez or VP candidate. I will bet you $100.00 or even $1000.00 right here right now that HC will not be on the ticket. Will you step up to the plate and back your prediction?




I really, really like this confidence.. how about 2 : 1 vp odds and 4 :1 Odds on her thinking she she can wipe the stage with this crop of crybaby candidates, with the exception of Joe Biden.


MartinD28 - 7/4/2019 at 02:42 PM

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[Quote]

Your prediction is laughable. HC is done as prez or VP candidate. I will bet you $100.00 or even $1000.00 right here right now that HC will not be on the ticket. Will you step up to the plate and back your prediction?


I really, really like this confidence.. how about 2 : 1 vp odds and 4 :1 Odds on her thinking she she can wipe the stage with this crop of crybaby candidates, with the exception of Joe Biden.


goob - Would you like to take the original bet offered on your love crush running as VP? You going to the Trump gala today...sitting in VIP donor section?


Skydog32103 - 7/7/2019 at 02:17 PM

if trump supporters want to increase gun sales, strengthen the nra, and lower illegal border crossings, they should vote for Obama. since he left office the nra is in shambles and border crossings are at an all time high.


BIGV - 7/7/2019 at 02:39 PM

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if trump supporters want to increase gun sales, strengthen the nra, and lower illegal border crossings, they should vote for Obama. since he left office the nra is in shambles and border crossings are at an all time high.


So, the increase in ILLEGAL border crossing and the amount of asylum fillings has ZERO to do with the countries of origin and their failure to provide for their own citizens?

This is President Trump's fault?

Dude


Skydog32103 - 7/7/2019 at 02:53 PM

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So, the increase in ILLEGAL border crossing and the amount of asylum fillings has ZERO to do with the countries of origin and their failure to provide for their own citizens?

This is President Trump's fault?

Dude


relax. im only pointing out the irony of those two facts, so that’s just your interpretation of it.


BIGV - 7/7/2019 at 02:59 PM

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quote:
So, the increase in ILLEGAL border crossing and the amount of asylum fillings has ZERO to do with the countries of origin and their failure to provide for their own citizens?

This is President Trump's fault?

Dude


relax. im only pointing out the irony of those two facts, so that’s just your interpretation of it.


You are noting my "interpretation" of your misuse of facts....

Interesting logic...


BrerRabbit - 7/7/2019 at 05:19 PM

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Dude


Don't say dude


BIGV - 7/7/2019 at 06:39 PM

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quote:
Dude


Don't say dude


My bad


nebish - 7/11/2019 at 12:13 AM

OUT 7/8 - Eric Swalwell

IN 7/9 - Tom Steyer
- 62, billionaire and former hedge fund manger with time spent at Goldman Sachs and founder of Farallon Capital. Also founder of political lobbying and advocacy groups NextGen America and Need to Impeach.
https://www.tomsteyer.com/


OriginalGoober - 7/12/2019 at 01:26 AM

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OUT 7/8 - Eric Swalwell

IN 7/9 - Tom Steyer
- 62, billionaire and former hedge fund manger with time spent at Goldman Sachs and founder of Farallon Capital. Also founder of political lobbying and advocacy groups NextGen America and Need to Impeach.
https://www.tomsteyer.com/


Has the Democratic party has found their version of John Kasich? As an old white guy he has a tough row to hoe this year... Diversity and anger will get all the attention from the MSM.


pops42 - 7/12/2019 at 01:41 AM

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quote:
OUT 7/8 - Eric Swalwell

IN 7/9 - Tom Steyer
- 62, billionaire and former hedge fund manger with time spent at Goldman Sachs and founder of Farallon Capital. Also founder of political lobbying and advocacy groups NextGen America and Need to Impeach.
https://www.tomsteyer.com/


Has the Democratic party has found their version of John Kasich? As an old white guy he has a tough row to hoe this year... Diversity and anger will get all the attention from the MSM.
A smart guy, and a "real" self made billionaire. Unlike the "orange blubber baby".


MartinD28 - 7/12/2019 at 11:37 AM

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quote:
OUT 7/8 - Eric Swalwell

IN 7/9 - Tom Steyer
- 62, billionaire and former hedge fund manger with time spent at Goldman Sachs and founder of Farallon Capital. Also founder of political lobbying and advocacy groups NextGen America and Need to Impeach.
https://www.tomsteyer.com/


Has the Democratic party has found their version of John Kasich? As an old white guy he has a tough row to hoe this year... Diversity and anger will get all the attention from the MSM.


goob - Do you have a problem with diversity in the Democratic Party as opposed to a mostly homogeneous GOP?


nebish - 7/12/2019 at 12:33 PM

I'm looking forward to hearing from Steyer. I generally like different, and being outside of Washington still has appeal to me - even though in some people's view the current President's lack of political experience might be a negative for any other "outsiders". Even though it is not where my positions lie, I'm not automatically against far left views, it depends on the implementation and execution really. So at this point, I am anticipating his entrance into the debates more than hearing more from any of the other existing candidates.

I did donate Delaney $20.20 last go around to help him out a little, hope he makes it into the next round.


nebish - 7/12/2019 at 12:40 PM

Back to the question of where Harris would be in the polls, an NBC/WSJ poll I saw today had her 3rd with Biden and Harris ahead of her and I think she was in 5th in terms of 2nd qrt fund raising.


Jerry - 7/28/2019 at 03:26 AM

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Back to the question of where Harris would be in the polls, an NBC/WSJ poll I saw today had her 3rd with Biden and Harris ahead of her and I think she was in 5th in terms of 2nd qrt fund raising.


I wouldn't put too much stock in the polls.


Jerry - 7/29/2019 at 11:01 PM

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Biggest mistake they can make?...Nominating another "older" hard liner in Joe Biden. Obama won with youth and change, everything Biden is not.

I predict right now that Kamala Harris will be the nominee and that she will talk HC into being her V.P.


Big V, I agree that this is laughable, but in a different way.
If Kamala Harris gets by with voters knowing she is a descendant of Hamilton Brown, who owned a Jamaican sugar plantation. and quite a few slaves.

An account of the treatment of his slaves is recorded in a pamphlet named "Three Months In Jamaica"
https://books.google.com/books?id=7uATZj4RrIUC&pg=PA3#v=onepage&q&a mp;f=false


BIGV - 7/29/2019 at 11:22 PM

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If Kamala Harris gets by with voters knowing she is a descendant of Hamilton Brown, who owned a Jamaican sugar plantation. and quite a few slaves.

An account of the treatment of his slaves is recorded in a pamphlet named "Three Months In Jamaica"
https://books.google.com/books?id=7uATZj4RrIUC&pg=PA3#v=onepage&q&a mp;f=false


My guess is that this will not escape the President come debate day


Jerry - 7/30/2019 at 11:29 PM

I'd also like to say that I believe none of the candidates would choose Clinton as a Vice Presidential running mate.

My feeling is that they would probably like to serve out their term.


BIGV - 8/1/2019 at 02:51 AM

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Joe Biden (announced 4/25/19)
- 76, 2009-2017 Vice President, US Senator from Delaware 1973-2009, two-time POTUS candidate in 1988 and 2008.
https://joebiden.com/


Fade away Joe...please

quote:
Steve Bullock (announced 5/14/19)
- 53, two-term and current Governor of Montana, former state Attorney General, lawyer
https://stevebullock.com/


Common sense guy

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Tulsi Gabbard (announced 1/11/19)
-37 years old, current US House member from Hawaii, member of National Guard and served in Iraq, former vice-chair DNC who stepped down to endorse Bernie Sanders
https://www.tulsi2020.com/


Articulate wisdom

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Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/


Fading

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Beto O'Rourke (announced 3/14/19)
- 46 years old, former US House member from Texas 2013-2019, lost 2018 US Senate election, formerly served on El Paso city council
https://betoorourke.com/


Way out his league

quote:
Bernie Sanders (announced 2/19/2019)
- 77, current US Senator from Vermont, self described Democratic Socialist, serving as elected representative in Washington since 1991, former Mayor of Burlington, lost Democrat Nomination 2016
https://berniesanders.com/


Go away Bernie, please

quote:
Elizabeth Warren (announced 2/9/19)
- 69, current US Senator from Massachusetts, former law professor with appointments for advising and oversight on bankruptcy and consumer protections
https://elizabethwarren.com/


Meh

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Marianne Williamson (announced 1/28/2019)
-66 years old, author, teacher and activist, lost California Congressional election in 2014 as an Independent
https://marianne.com/


Fresh ideas, bright

quote:
Andrew Yang (announced 11/6/2017)
-43 years old, venture capitalist and entrepreneur, Ambassador of Global Entrepreneurship for Obama
https://www.yang2020.com/


Sadly, free money will appeal to many



BIGV - 8/2/2019 at 12:31 AM

Kamala Harris as accused by Rep. Tulsi Gabbard:

In February, California Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered new DNA testing in the 1983 murder case of Kevin Cooper. Cooper came within hours of execution in 2004 after being charged with the murders of an adult couple and two children. Harris opposed the testing when she was the state’s attorney general.

She has since said she supports DNA testing and encouraged Newsom to approve Cooper’s clemency request. She did not offer specifics on why she did not approve the testing during her tenure.

In response to a request for comment, Harris’s campaign pointed to a past statement where the senator called a New York Times columnist last year, telling him, “I feel awful about this.”

Another claim against Harris — this time, by former vice president Joe Biden — that a federal judge freed 1,000 inmates after it discovered that a San Francisco crime lab had misused evidence, and that then-District Attorney Harris had failed to reveal that the evidence had possibly been tainted.

The Washington Post recalled earlier this year: “It was revealed in March 2010 that Harris and her staff had not informed defense lawyers that evidence from the police-run crime lab might have been tainted. A judge ruled in May 2010 that Harris had failed to inform defendants as required by law. Harris said … she took responsibility and made ‘no excuses’ for the failure.”

Harris is now running on a platform that includes criminal justice reform and she says she opposes the death penalty.


nebish - 8/3/2019 at 07:15 PM

I'm on a few of the email lists, only open a couple occasionally. I do find it interesting the angles the candidates take in their messages. Bernie is always playing the underdog card, and surprisingly he seems to be taking the "we are behind, other candidates are out fund raising us" - I just thought he might try and come across as "we are succeeding, more and more people are backing our message".

On the other hand, some of the dark horse candidates come out and broadcast their support (or atleast that is what they are saying).

Tulsi says that she has just "blown past" the 130,000 unique donor requirement for the September debate.

I only watched the first hour of the first debate last week. Busy.


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