Thread: Officially Declared Democrat 2020 POTUS Candidates

nebish - 1/12/2019 at 04:51 PM

Officially Announced:

Cory Booker (announced 2/1/2019)
-49 years old, current US Senator from NJ, former Newark Mayor, Rhodes Scholar
https://corybooker.com/

Julian Castro (announced 1/12/19)
-44 year old, former Mayor of San Antonio and HUD Secretary for Obama, delivered keynote speech at 2012 DNC
https://www.facebook.com/Julian-Castro-97458155742/

John Delany (announced 7/28/17)
-55 years old, former US House member from Maryland 2013-2019 (did not run for reelection), prior career in business
https://www.johnkdelaney.com/

Tulsi Gabbard (announced 1/11/19)
-37 years old, current US House member from Hawaii, member of National Guard and served in Iraq, former vice-chair DNC who stepped down to endorse Bernie Sanders
https://www.tulsi2020.com/

Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/

Amy Klobuchar (announced 2/10/19)
- 58, current US Senator from Minnesota, former county attorney and prosecutor
https://www.amyklobuchar.com/

X-OUT-Richard Ojeda (announced 11/12/18)(suspended campaign 1/25/19)
-48 years old, 24 year Army veteran, former WV Senate, lost bid for US House in 2018
https://voteojeda.com/

Bernie Sanders (announced 2/19/2019)
- 77, current US Senator from Vermont, self described Democratic Socialist, serving as elected representative in Washington since 1991, former Mayor of Burlington, lost Democrat Nomination 2016
https://berniesanders.com/

Elizabeth Warren (announced 2/9/19)
- 69, current US Senator from Massachusetts, former law professor with appointments for advising and oversight on bankruptcy and consumer protections
https://elizabethwarren.com/

Marianne Williamson (announced 1/28/2019)
-66 years old, author, teacher and activist, lost California Congressional election in 2014 as an Independent
https://marianne.com/

Andrew Yang (announced 11/6/2017)
-43 years old, venture capitalist and entrepreneur, Ambassador of Global Entrepreneurship for Obama
https://www.yang2020.com/


I believe those are the only officially announced candidates at the moment. Many, many more will be coming!



[Edited on 2/20/2019 by nebish]


gina - 1/12/2019 at 07:05 PM

I like Yang's Universal Basic Income. I think that will help solve a lot of problems.

Ojeda has an interesting idea about capping the wealth of our Washington representatives but I doubt he could get that passed. Still an interesting candidate.

Tulsi:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/11/tulsi-gabbard-run-president -2020-democrat-hawaii
Iraqi war veteran, she met secretly with Assad. Maybe Mueller should look into that.
"Gabbard has also drawn criticism for secretly meeting with Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, during a 2017 trip to the war-torn country. Gabbard opposes removing Assad from power."



[Edited on 1/12/2019 by gina]

[Edited on 1/12/2019 by gina]


nebish - 1/21/2019 at 01:26 PM

Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/


Chain - 1/21/2019 at 01:31 PM

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Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/


She's an excellent candidate in my opinion....Smart, articulate, and a very experienced prosecutor. I've seen a number of interviews with her over past few months and she's very impressive in my opinion. In particular, a recent C-span interview where she was speaking at a law school I believe...

[Edited on 1/21/2019 by Chain]


MartinD28 - 1/21/2019 at 07:14 PM

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Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/


She's an excellent candidate in my opinion....Smart, articulate, and a very experienced prosecutor. I've seen a number of interviews with her over past few months and she's very impressive in my opinion. In particular, a recent C-span interview where she was speaking at a law school I believe...

[Edited on 1/21/2019 by Chain]


X2

Former Attorney General of California. Every time I've heard her speak I came away more & more impressed. I wouldn't mind seeing her on the the ticket as either candidate for prez or VP.


2112 - 1/21/2019 at 09:21 PM

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quote:
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Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/


She's an excellent candidate in my opinion....Smart, articulate, and a very experienced prosecutor. I've seen a number of interviews with her over past few months and she's very impressive in my opinion. In particular, a recent C-span interview where she was speaking at a law school I believe...

[Edited on 1/21/2019 by Chain]


X2

Former Attorney General of California. Every time I've heard her speak I came away more & more impressed. I wouldn't mind seeing her on the the ticket as either candidate for prez or VP.


I've never been a huge fan of hers. She is definitely left of me, although she is definitely highly intelligent and we'll spoken. I'm not sure how much appeal she'll have to the independents, although if she faces the dumpster fire that is Trump it might not matter.


tcatanesi - 1/21/2019 at 11:02 PM

Our country couldn't handle a female president of color.

We haven't evolved enough.

I like her. Smart and a little sassy.


BoytonBrother - 1/22/2019 at 04:18 PM

I can hear the right desperately searching online for something.....anything at all, to hate about Kamala Harris. “Surely there must be something, and I’m going to find it and pretend to hate her for it.” Just watch.

In the next couple weeks, Fox News will find it, create the talking point, and we’ll see it regurgitated here by the usual sheep who can’t articulate for themselves. It’ll be such a coincidence, that Goob and Mule will miraculously share the same frustrations as Fox News, at the same time!


BrerRabbit - 1/22/2019 at 04:23 PM

Maybe she claimed she was .00001 % caucasian at some point? Hahaha - then we could nickname her "Betsy Ross".


BoytonBrother - 1/22/2019 at 07:20 PM

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Maybe she claimed she was .00001 % caucasian at some point? Hahaha - then we could nickname her "Betsy Ross".


They hate her already, and don’t even know why. I can’t wait to see the posts by Goober, Mule, and BIGV - all together in unison, spouting the same talking point provided to them by the media.

So what did you dig up boys? What insignificant factoid will you latch onto so you can pretend-hate her? How much time until you post it here? When she gains steam I imagine.


Chain - 1/22/2019 at 10:15 PM

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Maybe she claimed she was .00001 % caucasian at some point? Hahaha - then we could nickname her "Betsy Ross".


She actually is bi-racial.....So I suppose the Fox news crowd and the right will seize upon that as being a serious flaw.

What I think i find most appealing about her is while certainly a bit sassy (which I like in a candidate), she's at the same time calm and even slightly reserved. I think that is because she's very intelligent and doesn't talk merely to talk but think's deeply before she speaks.

I would say an example of this was in her questioning of Cavanaugh some months ago...While many politicians in such panel discussions ask prepared questions verbatim right off a sheet of paper, she, on the other hand showed her experience as a prosecutor in the way she questioned and listened to Cavanaugh...Her style of speaking and interaction reminds me slightly of Barack Obama.

[Edited on 1/22/2019 by Chain]


MartinD28 - 1/23/2019 at 12:30 AM

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Maybe she claimed she was .00001 % caucasian at some point? Hahaha - then we could nickname her "Betsy Ross".


She actually is bi-racial.....So I suppose the Fox news crowd and the right will seize upon that as being a serious flaw.

What I think i find most appealing about her is while certainly a bit sassy (which I like in a candidate), she's at the same time calm and even slightly reserved. I think that is because she's very intelligent and doesn't talk merely to talk but think's deeply before she speaks.

I would say an example of this was in her questioning of Cavanaugh some months ago...While many politicians in such panel discussions ask prepared questions verbatim right off a sheet of paper, she, on the other hand showed her experience as a prosecutor in the way she questioned and listened to Cavanaugh...Her style of speaking and interaction reminds me slightly of Barack Obama.

[Edited on 1/22/2019 by Chain]


Chain - I thought yesterday about her questioning of Cavanaugh, but I didn't post about it. Glad that you brought that up. My read is the same as yours. Glad you posted it. I'd like to see her as part of the ticket moreso than Warren or Gillibrand.


Chain - 1/23/2019 at 10:49 PM

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Maybe she claimed she was .00001 % caucasian at some point? Hahaha - then we could nickname her "Betsy Ross".


She actually is bi-racial.....So I suppose the Fox news crowd and the right will seize upon that as being a serious flaw.

What I think i find most appealing about her is while certainly a bit sassy (which I like in a candidate), she's at the same time calm and even slightly reserved. I think that is because she's very intelligent and doesn't talk merely to talk but think's deeply before she speaks.

I would say an example of this was in her questioning of Cavanaugh some months ago...While many politicians in such panel discussions ask prepared questions verbatim right off a sheet of paper, she, on the other hand showed her experience as a prosecutor in the way she questioned and listened to Cavanaugh...Her style of speaking and interaction reminds me slightly of Barack Obama.

[Edited on 1/22/2019 by Chain]


Chain - I thought yesterday about her questioning of Cavanaugh, but I didn't post about it. Glad that you brought that up. My read is the same as yours. Glad you posted it. I'd like to see her as part of the ticket moreso than Warren or Gillibrand.


You're welcome....I agree and have said previous that I want no part of either Warren or Gillibrand on the ticket either as Pres. or VP....They both can do good things in the Senate. Even more so should the Dems gain control in of the Senate. And for the record, Gillibrand is one of my Senators....I'm a fan of hers, but think she should stay in Senate.


BIGV - 1/23/2019 at 10:58 PM

I do not believe we are ready for a Woman President; the Dems aspirations for the WH lay with 77 year old Bernie Sanders changing Parties.


BrerRabbit - 1/23/2019 at 11:03 PM

quote:
I do not believe we are ready for a Woman President


Guess that makes me not part of the "we".


MartinD28 - 1/23/2019 at 11:43 PM

quote:
I do not believe we are ready for a Woman President; the Dems aspirations for the WH lay with 77 year old Bernie Sanders changing Parties.



bigv,

Can you expand upon your reasoning why you make that statement about a Woman President"? Who are the "we" that you personally refer to? We doesn't include me.

You say you "do not believe we are ready for a Woman President". So - when do you think we will be ready? 10 years, 20 years, never?

I'll bet you $100.00 that Bernie won't be the nominee. Are you in?


OriginalGoober - 1/24/2019 at 01:29 AM

quote:
I can hear the right desperately searching online for something.....anything at all, to hate about Kamala Harris. “Surely there must be something, and I’m going to find it and pretend to hate her for it.” Just watch.

In the next couple weeks, Fox News will find it, create the talking point, and we’ll see it regurgitated here by the usual sheep who can’t articulate for themselves. It’ll be such a coincidence, that Goob and Mule will miraculously share the same frustrations as Fox News, at the same time!


She seems confused and blows where the politcal winds shift. I understand that she made it her personal mission to have truancy become criminal offense in California, clogging up the courts with low income minorities. If she is such a hard liner not sure why she is a democrat and opposes the Wall and Trump.


OriginalGoober - 1/24/2019 at 01:48 AM

quote:
Officially Announced:

Julian Castro (announced 1/12/19)
-44 year old, former Mayor of San Antonio and HUD Secretary for Obama, delivered keynote speech at 2012 DNC
https://www.facebook.com/Julian-Castro-97458155742/

John Delany (announced 7/28/17)
-55 years old, former US House member from Maryland 2013-2019 (did not run for reelection), prior career in business
https://www.johnkdelaney.com/

Tulsi Gabbard (announced 1/11/19)
-37 years old, current US House member from Hawaii, member of National Guard and served in Iraq, former vice-chair DNC who stepped down to endorse Bernie Sanders
https://www.tulsi2020.com/

Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/

Richard Ojeda (announced 11/12/18)
-48 years old, 24 year Army veteran, former WV Senate, lost bid for US House in 2018
https://voteojeda.com/

Andrew Yang (announced 11/6/2017)
-43 years old, venture capitalist and entrepreneur, Ambassador of Global Entrepreneurship for Obama
https://www.yang2020.com/


I believe those are the only officially announced candidates at the moment. Many, many more will be coming!

[Edited on 1/21/2019 by nebish]



nebish - 1/24/2019 at 02:05 AM

And....we're in the gutter. My intention is to keep this tread alive until the election.


MartinD28 - 1/24/2019 at 12:18 PM

quote:
quote:
Officially Announced:

Julian Castro (announced 1/12/19)
-44 year old, former Mayor of San Antonio and HUD Secretary for Obama, delivered keynote speech at 2012 DNC
https://www.facebook.com/Julian-Castro-97458155742/

John Delany (announced 7/28/17)
-55 years old, former US House member from Maryland 2013-2019 (did not run for reelection), prior career in business
https://www.johnkdelaney.com/

Tulsi Gabbard (announced 1/11/19)
-37 years old, current US House member from Hawaii, member of National Guard and served in Iraq, former vice-chair DNC who stepped down to endorse Bernie Sanders
https://www.tulsi2020.com/

Kamala Harris (announced 1/21/19)
-54 years old, current US Senator from California, former District Attorney and Attorney General of California
https://kamalaharris.org/

Richard Ojeda (announced 11/12/18)
-48 years old, 24 year Army veteran, former WV Senate, lost bid for US House in 2018
https://voteojeda.com/

Andrew Yang (announced 11/6/2017)
-43 years old, venture capitalist and entrepreneur, Ambassador of Global Entrepreneurship for Obama
https://www.yang2020.com/


I believe those are the only officially announced candidates at the moment. Many, many more will be coming!

[Edited on 1/21/2019 by nebish]





Ah...Stormy Daniels. Trump had a fling with her after his son was born & then paid hush money to make the story go away prior to the election. We can see why purists like goob & the Evangelicals would vote for her.


MartinD28 - 1/24/2019 at 12:21 PM

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quote:
I can hear the right desperately searching online for something.....anything at all, to hate about Kamala Harris. “Surely there must be something, and I’m going to find it and pretend to hate her for it.” Just watch.

In the next couple weeks, Fox News will find it, create the talking point, and we’ll see it regurgitated here by the usual sheep who can’t articulate for themselves. It’ll be such a coincidence, that Goob and Mule will miraculously share the same frustrations as Fox News, at the same time!


She seems confused and blows where the politcal winds shift. I understand that she made it her personal mission to have truancy become criminal offense in California, clogging up the courts with low income minorities. If she is such a hard liner not sure why she is a democrat and opposes the Wall and Trump.


goob - see BoytonBrother's post 1/22/2019 at 11:18. You just validated his point. Bingo.


BrerRabbit - 1/24/2019 at 02:32 PM

And the Stormy post validated the "we are not ready for a woman president" post. That is, if "we" means dickhead simpletons who are frightened and threatened by intelligent women.



BoytonBrother - 1/24/2019 at 04:51 PM

quote:
I do not believe we are ready for a Woman President


Translation: I am not ready for a woman President - I can’t speak for anyone but myself.

Does the “why” even matter?


BoytonBrother - 1/24/2019 at 05:04 PM

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She seems confused and blows where the politcal winds shift.


Lol, ok buddy.

quote:
I understand that she made it her personal mission to have truancy become criminal offense in California


Yay for Google!

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clogging up the courts with low income minorities. If she is such a hard liner not sure why she is a democrat and opposes the Wall and Trump.


Well Goober, it’s because people can be different from one another.....even people among the same political affiliation. I know this comes as a shock.

As for opposing Trump and his wall, even you can understand the value of distancing yourself from a soon-to-be disgraced President working for Russia. You and your ilk might be ok being associated with scum, but any serious professional would be foolish to brand themselves with it. Even Guliani just said he’s afraid of what his tombstone will say. You really don’t get this?


BrerRabbit - 1/24/2019 at 06:15 PM

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...afraid of what his tombstone will say


lol . . . "Here LIES."

[Edited on 1/24/2019 by BrerRabbit]


BIGV - 1/24/2019 at 06:47 PM

quote:
quote:
I do not believe we are ready for a Woman President; the Dems aspirations for the WH lay with 77 year old Bernie Sanders changing Parties.



bigv,

Can you expand upon your reasoning why you make that statement about a Woman President"? Who are the "we" that you personally refer to? We doesn't include me.

You say you "do not believe we are ready for a Woman President". So - when do you think we will be ready? 10 years, 20 years, never?

I'll bet you $100.00 that Bernie won't be the nominee. Are you in?


On Bernie?...No, but thanks!...But I believe he represents the Dems best chance to win.

"We" being representative of the Voting block as a whole. Not everyone who finds their way to a Polling station lives in N.Y. or California and a good % of those voters have readily voiced their opinions on this.

When will "we" be ready? one more Generation, change takes time a evidenced by how gradually States are coming around to the Legalization of Pot.....

The Dems will argue that Hillary was extremely qualified to hold the highest office in the land...How did she lose given the system has elected what?...44/45 other Presidents?


BIGV - 1/24/2019 at 06:50 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I can hear the right desperately searching online for something.....anything at all, to hate about Kamala Harris. “Surely there must be something, and I’m going to find it and pretend to hate her for it.” Just watch.

In the next couple weeks, Fox News will find it, create the talking point, and we’ll see it regurgitated here by the usual sheep who can’t articulate for themselves. It’ll be such a coincidence, that Goob and Mule will miraculously share the same frustrations as Fox News, at the same time!


She seems confused and blows where the politcal winds shift. I understand that she made it her personal mission to have truancy become criminal offense in California, clogging up the courts with low income minorities. If she is such a hard liner not sure why she is a democrat and opposes the Wall and Trump.


goob - see BoytonBrother's post 1/22/2019 at 11:18. You just validated his point. Bingo.


This same argument can be and will be made by the Democrats about almost any Republican Candidate.......

"I predict someone on this Board will soon celebrate a Birthday"


BoytonBrother - 1/24/2019 at 07:04 PM

The most recent popular votes would suggest that the majority of the country is ready. It’s the conservatives who aren’t ready.


BIGV - 1/24/2019 at 07:07 PM

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The most recent popular votes would suggest that the majority of the country is ready. It’s the conservatives who aren’t ready.


"Popular" votes are not enough. The people in the breadbasket of the Country have a voice. We may not agree with it, but there they are.


BoytonBrother - 1/24/2019 at 07:46 PM

quote:
"Popular" votes are not enough. The people in the breadbasket of the Country have a voice. We may not agree with it, but there they are.


Right. So then the people in the red state breadbasket aren’t ready for a woman President, but the “voting block as a whole” favored Hillary by a couple million.


BrerRabbit - 1/24/2019 at 08:58 PM

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Who are the "we" that you personally refer to?


We the peephole.


MartinD28 - 1/24/2019 at 10:01 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I do not believe we are ready for a Woman President; the Dems aspirations for the WH lay with 77 year old Bernie Sanders changing Parties.



bigv,

Can you expand upon your reasoning why you make that statement about a Woman President"? Who are the "we" that you personally refer to? We doesn't include me.

You say you "do not believe we are ready for a Woman President". So - when do you think we will be ready? 10 years, 20 years, never?

I'll bet you $100.00 that Bernie won't be the nominee. Are you in?


On Bernie?...No, but thanks!...But I believe he represents the Dems best chance to win.

"We" being representative of the Voting block as a whole. Not everyone who finds their way to a Polling station lives in N.Y. or California and a good % of those voters have readily voiced their opinions on this.

When will "we" be ready? one more Generation, change takes time a evidenced by how gradually States are coming around to the Legalization of Pot.....

The Dems will argue that Hillary was extremely qualified to hold the highest office in the land...How did she lose given the system has elected what?...44/45 other Presidents?


The midterms saw a record number of women elected to Congress. Almost all were Dems. Wonder why the GOP continues to elect mainly white males while the Dems much more reflect the makeup of the population's diversity?

Hillary probably lost because she was hated by many, and they voted for the other horribly flawed candidate with the belief that they were voting for the lesser of two evils. I doubt HC lost because she is a woman. With what the country has seen of whatever the f Trump is combined with the vote for female candidates in the midterms, I'd say the country is more than ready for a woman to become POTUS.

There will always be pockets of narrow minded, chauvinistic, and backwards thinking individuals, but society as a whole always changes as time moves forward.


BIGV - 1/24/2019 at 11:08 PM

quote:
There will always be pockets of narrow minded, chauvinistic, and backwards thinking individuals, but society as a whole always changes as time moves forward.


Very true statement and they come in all shapes, sizes, colors and are members of any number of political parties.....


MartinD28 - 1/24/2019 at 11:18 PM

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There will always be pockets of narrow minded, chauvinistic, and backwards thinking individuals, but society as a whole always changes as time moves forward.


Very true statement and they come in all shapes, sizes, colors and are members of any number of political parties.....


So let's concentrate on the other statement I made. What is your explanation for the following:

"The midterms saw a record number of women elected to Congress. Almost all were Dems. Wonder why the GOP continues to elect mainly white males while the Dems much more reflect the makeup of the population's diversity?"


BIGV - 1/25/2019 at 01:12 AM

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There will always be pockets of narrow minded, chauvinistic, and backwards thinking individuals, but society as a whole always changes as time moves forward.


Very true statement and they come in all shapes, sizes, colors and are members of any number of political parties.....


So let's concentrate on the other statement I made. What is your explanation for the following:

"The midterms saw a record number of women elected to Congress. Almost all were Dems. Wonder why the GOP continues to elect mainly white males while the Dems much more reflect the makeup of the population's diversity?"


Difference in the way the Parties are viewed would be my guess. A lot of new voters come from from cultures where the Gov't takes care of everything, gee whiz, which Party do you think fits that profile? For example you seem to see most Republicans in one way and most Dems in another, that's cool, but you have to accept that not everyone is going to agree with that assessment. I have no problem with Democrats per say, but their leadership makes me laugh...For example, the existing funds for a lot of Gubmint workers are about to run out and the Party of the "People" would rather see some people end up homeless and without food than to give President Trump one penny for his wall. Nice. As far as Branding voters can we agree that there are Democrats in Iowa and Oklahoma that are 80 year old white guys who don't believe a Woman can be President? Sure there are.....Both major parties wear rose colored glasses and turn a blind eye whenever it suits them......

Vote Libertarian; less Government


BrerRabbit - 1/25/2019 at 01:21 AM

Yep, absolutely! Vote Libertarian; sap the Republicans! Power to them! If I were a Republican politician I would be scared to death of Libertarians right now.

[Edited on 1/25/2019 by BrerRabbit]


nebish - 1/25/2019 at 03:31 AM

The only issue I have with Kamala Harris, it's actually an issue with CNN, they are going to air a town hall style show from Iowa. Hopefully they will be doing this for all the candidates. It seems rather unfair to the other candidates that they would give her this air time and platform and not her fellow Democrat competitors like Castro or Gabbard or the other lesser know candidates. It's almost like CNN is deciding who to promote by doing this. She was only 6th in a Politico Iowa December poll of potential candidates with 7%. This town hall event should help boost that, but CNN should be offering such to the other candidates as well.


BoytonBrother - 1/25/2019 at 03:48 AM

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A lot of new voters come from from cultures where the Gov't takes care of everything, gee whiz, which Party do you think fits that profile?


Inner cities vote democrat. Bible Belt votes Trump. By asking “which”, did you think it was just one party?

quote:
I have no problem with Democrats per say


“Per say”, lol. I appreciate you leaving the option of hating them outright on the table.

quote:
the existing funds for a lot of Gubmint workers are about to run out and the Party of the "People" would rather see some people end up homeless and without food than to give President Trump one penny for his wall. Nice.


Existing funds are about to run out and our Russian asset President would rather see Americans end up homeless and without food because he wants a $5billion monument to himself built.

But see it how you want, and excuse a traitor to our country working for a foreign adversary. Blame other officials because of their political affiliation instead. Just have some courage and say you don’t like Democrats. It’s way more respectable than dancing around with this lazy nonsensical analysis. Trump owns it, as he said, period. Hostage taking is a sleazy tactic, and it’s better to spend $5billion on something that will definitely work - not a symbol for white supremist America. Trump is in charge. Obviously.


BIGV - 1/25/2019 at 04:16 AM

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A lot of new voters come from from cultures where the Gov't takes care of everything, gee whiz, which Party do you think fits that profile?


Inner cities vote democrat. Bible Belt votes Trump. By asking “which”, did you think it was just one party?

quote:
I have no problem with Democrats per say


“Per say”, lol. I appreciate you leaving the option of hating them outright on the table.

quote:
the existing funds for a lot of Gubmint workers are about to run out and the Party of the "People" would rather see some people end up homeless and without food than to give President Trump one penny for his wall. Nice.


Existing funds are about to run out and our Russian asset President would rather see Americans end up homeless and without food because he wants a $5billion monument to himself built.

But see it how you want, and excuse a traitor to our country working for a foreign adversary. Blame other officials because of their political affiliation instead. Just have some courage and say you don’t like Democrats. It’s way more respectable than dancing around with this lazy nonsensical analysis. Trump owns it, as he said, period. Hostage taking is a sleazy tactic, and it’s better to spend $5billion on something that will definitely work - not a symbol for white supremist America. Trump is in charge. Obviously.


You are certainly entitled to your opinion and as always have stated it with nothing but eloquence and tact. But, I respectively disagree.


cyclone88 - 1/25/2019 at 04:33 AM

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On Bernie?...No, but thanks!...But I believe he represents the Dems best chance to win.


Now that he's been exposed for the misogynist many knew him to be, Dem women under 77 won't vote for him. He's DOA.


2112 - 1/25/2019 at 05:02 AM

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There will always be pockets of narrow minded, chauvinistic, and backwards thinking individuals, but society as a whole always changes as time moves forward.


Very true statement and they come in all shapes, sizes, colors and are members of any number of political parties.....


So let's concentrate on the other statement I made. What is your explanation for the following:

"The midterms saw a record number of women elected to Congress. Almost all were Dems. Wonder why the GOP continues to elect mainly white males while the Dems much more reflect the makeup of the population's diversity?"


Difference in the way the Parties are viewed would be my guess. A lot of new voters come from from cultures where the Gov't takes care of everything, gee whiz, which Party do you think fits that profile? For example you seem to see most Republicans in one way and most Dems in another, that's cool, but you have to accept that not everyone is going to agree with that assessment. I have no problem with Democrats per say, but their leadership makes me laugh...For example, the existing funds for a lot of Gubmint workers are about to run out and the Party of the "People" would rather see some people end up homeless and without food than to give President Trump one penny for his wall. Nice. As far as Branding voters can we agree that there are Democrats in Iowa and Oklahoma that are 80 year old white guys who don't believe a Woman can be President? Sure there are.....Both major parties wear rose colored glasses and turn a blind eye whenever it suits them......

Vote Libertarian; less Government


I know A LOT of people who claim to be Libertarian, yet they never win elections, or even get more than 1 or 2 percent of the vote. Sometimes I think Libertarians like to make a lot of noise and act like they're smarter than everyone else, but when they get in the voting booth they vote Republican every time. Heck, I don't know anybody who claims to be in the Green Party (and I live in liberal California), yet they get more votes than Libertarians. If Gary Johnson couldn't do better against Trump than he did, then I think the Libertarian Party will never be more than an insignificant footnote.


BoytonBrother - 1/25/2019 at 11:51 AM

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the Party of the "People" would rather see some people end up homeless and without food than to give President Trump one penny for his wall. Nice.


“The hostage negotiator would rather see the bank customer die than give the bank robber cash and a helicopter. Nice.”

If you look at this ink blot and direct your ire at the Democrats, then you are clearly bigoted against a certain political affiliation.


BIGV - 1/25/2019 at 04:34 PM

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the Party of the "People" would rather see some people end up homeless and without food than to give President Trump one penny for his wall. Nice.


“The hostage negotiator would rather see the bank customer die than give the bank robber cash and a helicopter. Nice.”


You do realize that there are a good percentage of Voters who see Pelosi and Schumer as the "Hostage negotiators"? They have an equal opportunity to end this, but choose to wear their disdain on their collars.


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If you look at this ink blot and direct your ire at the Democrats, then you are clearly bigoted against a certain political affiliation.


And your feelings toward Republicans? Ask yourself if the shoe fits?

You are amazing.


BoytonBrother - 1/25/2019 at 05:28 PM

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And your feelings toward Republicans? Ask yourself if the shoe fits?

You are amazing.


Not true at all. I was ready to vote Republican in 2016, until they chose the one guy who was attacking America and praising foreign adversaries at the time - I couldn't stomach that treasonous language. I like George W. Bush. I respect traditional conservative family values. I don't agree with Republican politics, but I'll gladly vote for them if they present the stronger candidate. Dismiss it if you want, but it's the truth. As for the past 2 years, yes, I'm ashamed of the Republicans in Washington who cower and turn a blind eye to the poison in the White House. Shame on them, and shame on the people who vote for this crap - sometimes you gotta put personal interests and emotions aside and do what's right - this does not belong in our White House, period. Why didn't republican voters choose Chris Christie? What about Kasich? Bush? Show me a good Republican leader like George W. Bush, and he's got my vote in 2 seconds.


BIGV - 1/25/2019 at 06:01 PM

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Why didn't republican voters choose Chris Christie? What about Kasich? Bush? Show me a good Republican leader like George W. Bush, and he's got my vote in 2 seconds.


I voted for Obama in '08, believed in the possibility of real change....Returned to the Libertarian ticket after that. I believe that for a lot of Voters President Trump was the outsider, the "Take no Prisoners, accept no more biz as usual type of Candidate" where, imo, Bush always looked he was going to cry, Kasich seemed angry and Christie couldn't take care of himself....


MartinD28 - 1/25/2019 at 06:41 PM

For those who want to blame the Dems or place blame equally, take a look at any number of polling results and see if that is reflective of the truth.

From Marketwatch today

"Sixty percent of Americans say Trump bears a great deal of responsibility for the shutdown."

That seems a far cry from a Pelosi or Schumer blame stat.

Most polls have Trump's approval rating at mid 30's now.


MartinD28 - 1/25/2019 at 06:47 PM

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Why didn't republican voters choose Chris Christie? What about Kasich? Bush? Show me a good Republican leader like George W. Bush, and he's got my vote in 2 seconds.


I voted for Obama in '08, believed in the possibility of real change....Returned to the Libertarian ticket after that. I believe that for a lot of Voters President Trump was the outsider, the "Take no Prisoners, accept no more biz as usual type of Candidate" where, imo, Bush always looked he was going to cry, Kasich seemed angry and Christie couldn't take care of himself....


So do you think Trump's no more biz as usual has been good for America, inclusive of all Americans, positive for foreign relations with our allies, devoid of questionable dealings with enemy nations, managing debt, clean & swamp draining, & putting qualified individuals (the best people) in key positions?

Record turnover in resignations in appointments & resignations by Generals?


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 01:08 AM

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For those who want to blame the Dems or place blame equally, take a look at any number of polling results and see if that is reflective of the truth.


Polls!...The same ones that said Hillary would win in a landslide?


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 01:15 AM

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So do you think Trump's no more biz as usual has been good for America


As I have done with preceding Presidents from Ford, through Obama, my answer is "I do not know, it's too soon to tell". I believe you judge the White House as terms are completed, I've always thought that. Now some may disagree, especially if disgust is the driving factor.


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 01:22 AM

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If Gary Johnson couldn't do better against Trump than he did, then I think the Libertarian Party will never be more than an insignificant footnote.


So be it. I believe in less Gubmint and the Libertarian Parties platform is the best fit for me and my belief system. Your mileage may vary.

I participate in the process by voting, 2% or 40, You'll find me casting my Vote on Election day, driven by my conscience and what I believe to be right.


sckeys - 1/26/2019 at 01:59 AM

Ive voted libertarian some but they blew the best chance they will ever get in 16. All these dems rolling out this early is crazy but i hope there is an unknown on the way.


nebish - 1/26/2019 at 04:03 AM

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For those who want to blame the Dems or place blame equally, take a look at any number of polling results and see if that is reflective of the truth.

From Marketwatch today

"Sixty percent of Americans say Trump bears a great deal of responsibility for the shutdown."

That seems a far cry from a Pelosi or Schumer blame stat.

Most polls have Trump's approval rating at mid 30's now.


Trump is to blame 100% for the shut down; and unnecessary and misplaced fight - wrong place, wrong time. And I place 100% blame on the Democrats for the length of the shut down. This could've ended the exact same way it did today weeks ago had the Democratic leadership been crafty (or reasonable) enough. Instead they sat it out and let the Republicans and Trump bleed to death. It's fine, they got what they wanted I suppose, but there were other people involved, not just the opposing political party. These people pretend to care about "us" when it is really all about "them".

That is the view from where I sit. Polls can reflect alot of things, but we all have our own perspective, or we should.


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 04:11 AM

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These people pretend to care about "us" when it is really all about "them"..


Exactly, selfish B^%tards all


MartinD28 - 1/26/2019 at 02:07 PM

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For those who want to blame the Dems or place blame equally, take a look at any number of polling results and see if that is reflective of the truth.


Polls!...The same ones that said Hillary would win in a landslide?


Paint strokes and perspective.

Polls - If you look at the polls leading up to the prez election they were statistically much closer for HC / Trump than the polls that were increasingly against Trump / GOP being blamed for shutdown. The gaps were growing by the weeks. So prez poll continually narrowed while shutdown poll continually widened.

I guess you don't think that these numbers that were so statistically significant against Trump's shutdown had anything to do with him caving? Do you think it was his love, empathy, and compassion for the American people that had him do a 180? If that's the case he wouldn't have orchestrated this facade in the first place.


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 03:37 PM

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For those who want to blame the Dems or place blame equally, take a look at any number of polling results and see if that is reflective of the truth.


Polls!...The same ones that said Hillary would win in a landslide?


Paint strokes and perspective.

Polls - If you look at the polls leading up to the prez election they were statistically much closer for HC / Trump than the polls that were increasingly against Trump / GOP being blamed for shutdown. The gaps were growing by the weeks. So prez poll continually narrowed while shutdown poll continually widened.

I guess you don't think that these numbers that were so statistically significant against Trump's shutdown had anything to do with him caving? Do you think it was his love, empathy, and compassion for the American people that had him do a 180? If that's the case he wouldn't have orchestrated this facade in the first place.


Your contempt for all things Trump is equal to my probable ridicule of most actions taken by Clinton had she been elected, so I understand where you are coming from. That being said, please know that my criticism of decisions made by the leadership of the Democratic Party will continue and that questions about that choice will most likely be responded to with an answer you won't agree with.

Enjoy the day


MartinD28 - 1/26/2019 at 04:40 PM

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For those who want to blame the Dems or place blame equally, take a look at any number of polling results and see if that is reflective of the truth.


Polls!...The same ones that said Hillary would win in a landslide?


Paint strokes and perspective.

Polls - If you look at the polls leading up to the prez election they were statistically much closer for HC / Trump than the polls that were increasingly against Trump / GOP being blamed for shutdown. The gaps were growing by the weeks. So prez poll continually narrowed while shutdown poll continually widened.

I guess you don't think that these numbers that were so statistically significant against Trump's shutdown had anything to do with him caving? Do you think it was his love, empathy, and compassion for the American people that had him do a 180? If that's the case he wouldn't have orchestrated this facade in the first place.


Your contempt for all things Trump is equal to my probable ridicule of most actions taken by Clinton had she been elected, so I understand where you are coming from. That being said, please know that my criticism of decisions made by the leadership of the Democratic Party will continue and that questions about that choice will most likely be responded to with an answer you won't agree with.

Enjoy the day


My criticisms of Trump are based upon his & his campaign's track record leading up to an election (example - Russia relationships) and his two year presidency - verifiable facts, actions, and policies. Your criticism of HC as you stated is based upon "actions taken by Clinton had she been elected". That in itself is a hypothetical premise for something that never came to be. So there really is no equality between "contempt for all things Trump is equal to my (i.e. bigv) probable ridicule of most actions taken by Clinton". She wasn't elected, he was, and he has a track record to be judged upon as President as opposed to someone who wasn't elected and has no record as president to be judged upon.


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 04:43 PM

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My criticisms of Trump are based upon his & his campaign's track record leading up to an election (example - Russia relationships) and his two year presidency - verifiable facts, actions, and policies. Your criticism of HC as you stated is based upon "actions taken by Clinton had she been elected". That in itself is a hypothetical premise for something that never came to be. So there really is no equality between "contempt for all things Trump is equal to my (i.e. bigv) probable ridicule of most actions taken by Clinton". She wasn't elected, he was, and he has a track record to be judged upon as President as opposed to someone who wasn't elected and has no record as president to be judged upon.


Fair enough. Your judgments and criticisms of Political viewpoints and standards are different than mine, I can accept that.

Enjoy the day.


Sang - 1/26/2019 at 05:33 PM

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So be it. I believe in less Gubmint and the Libertarian Parties platform is the best fit for me and my belief system. Your mileage may vary.

I participate in the process by voting, 2% or 40, You'll find me casting my Vote on Election day, driven by my conscience and what I believe to be right.



That's funny - most libertarians I know don't want the Gubmint spending $5.7 billion on a useless wall.....they (for the most part) don't want the Gubmint spending or doing anything.....




https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration

Libertarians believe that if someone is peaceful, they should be welcome to immigrate to the United States.

Libertarians believe that people should be able to travel freely as long as they are peaceful. We welcome immigrants who come seeking a better life. The vast majority of immigrants are very peaceful and highly productive.

Indeed, the United States is a country of immigrants, of all backgrounds and walks of life…some families have just been here for more generations than others. Newcomers bring great vitality to our society.

A truly free market requires the free movement of people, not just products and ideas.

Whether they are from India or Mexico, whether they have advanced degrees or very little education, immigrants have one great thing in common: they bravely left their familiar surroundings in search of a better life. Many are fleeing extreme poverty and violence and are searching for a free and safe place to try to build their lives. We respect and admire their courage and are proud that they see the United States as a place of freedom, stability, and prosperity.

Of course, if someone has a record of violence, credible plans for violence, or acts violently, then Libertarians support blocking their entry, deporting, and/or prosecuting and imprisoning them, depending on the offense.

Libertarians do not support classifying undocumented immigrants as criminals. Our current immigration system is an embarrassment. People who would like to follow the legal procedures are unable to because these procedures are so complex and expensive and lengthy. If Americans want immigrants to enter through legal channels, we need to make those channels fair, reasonable, and accessible.


BoytonBrother - 1/26/2019 at 06:20 PM

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Your judgments and criticisms of Political viewpoints and standards are different than mine, I can accept that.


Why don’t you explore his question instead of bailing when the question is tough? This sounds like you are completely stumped on a response to his logic and reason. When you can’t defend your position, what credibility is left?


BrerRabbit - 1/26/2019 at 06:43 PM

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That's funny - most libertarians I know don't want the Gubmint spending $5.7 billion on a useless wall.....they (for the most part) don't want the Gubmint spending or doing anything.....

https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration

Libertarians believe that if someone is peaceful, they should be welcome to immigrate to the United States.

Libertarians believe that people should be able to travel freely as long as they are peaceful. We welcome immigrants who come seeking a better life. The vast majority of immigrants are very peaceful and highly productive.

Indeed, the United States is a country of immigrants, of all backgrounds and walks of life…some families have just been here for more generations than others. Newcomers bring great vitality to our society.

A truly free market requires the free movement of people, not just products and ideas.

Whether they are from India or Mexico, whether they have advanced degrees or very little education, immigrants have one great thing in common: they bravely left their familiar surroundings in search of a better life. Many are fleeing extreme poverty and violence and are searching for a free and safe place to try to build their lives. We respect and admire their courage and are proud that they see the United States as a place of freedom, stability, and prosperity.

Of course, if someone has a record of violence, credible plans for violence, or acts violently, then Libertarians support blocking their entry, deporting, and/or prosecuting and imprisoning them, depending on the offense.

Libertarians do not support classifying undocumented immigrants as criminals. Our current immigration system is an embarrassment. People who would like to follow the legal procedures are unable to because these procedures are so complex and expensive and lengthy. If Americans want immigrants to enter through legal channels, we need to make those channels fair, reasonable, and accessible.


Thanks for digging this up - this is pretty much exactly my view. I guess I am a Libertarian in many respects.

A truly free market requires the free movement of people, not just products and ideas.

I like the way these folks think!


[Edited on 1/26/2019 by BrerRabbit]


BIGV - 1/26/2019 at 10:24 PM

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Your judgments and criticisms of Political viewpoints and standards are different than mine, I can accept that.


Why don’t you explore his question instead of bailing when the question is tough? This sounds like you are completely stumped on a response to his logic and reason. When you can’t defend your position, what credibility is left?


I don't like to argue about politics and prefer to use the Whipping Post as a place to read, drop an opinion and move on. I really don't care how people view that way of doing things; you always have the option of reading what I write, shrugging your shoulders and moving on. The Sun will rise tomorrow either way. Credibility?......Pertaining to a Political view on a Musical website?

As far s Sang raising the Libertarian view on the Wall....No Party is a perfect fit, I am fine with that


nebish - 1/27/2019 at 02:43 PM

I simply don't know how anyone could say "I'm a Libertarian"...or Democrat...or Republican. I never get how someone could so easily find alignment with all their views into one little neat political box.

Personally, I think it is refreshing when we see a self described insert party name here breaks ranks or supports something out of the party norm.

Just picking a side and standing by it or making one's views all fit the positions of one party would be much easier I guess. Personally I think it is counterproductive to one's own exploration and evolving on ideas and principles and is just another way that we become a spiteful and divided society. Isn't there enough of that already with race and religion and gender and income and age...actually what do I know, America must like things that way.


Sang - 1/28/2019 at 12:32 AM

Well yes, we all need someone to look down on.......


nebish - 1/28/2019 at 01:38 PM

Wanted to try and keep the names in the thread to offically declared candidates, but this is a unique exception.

Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz on possible run as independent:

"I feel if I ran as a Democrat I would have to be disingenuous and say things that I don't believe because the party has shifted so far to the left".

Schultz was on 60 minutes last night and will be on CNBC tomorrow.

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Howard Schultz, Former Starbucks Chief, Is Preparing for an Independent 2020 Run

By Andrew Ross Sorkin

Jan. 27, 2019

Howard Schultz, the former chief executive of Starbucks and a self-described “lifelong Democrat,” said Sunday he was preparing to run for president as an independent and had already begun the groundwork required to be on the ballot in all 50 states.

Mr. Schultz, in an interview with The New York Times, said he planned to crisscross the country for the next three months as part of a book tour before deciding whether to enter the race. A billionaire, Mr. Schultz would face a difficult road despite his considerable wealth: Few independent candidates have mounted successful challenges for the White House.

“We have a broken political system with both parties basically in business to preserve their own ideology without a recognition and responsibility to represent the interests of the American people,” Mr. Schultz said in the interview.

“Republicans and Democrats alike — who no longer see themselves as part of the far extreme of the far right and the far left — are looking for a home,” he added. “The word ‘independent,’ for me, is simply a designation on the ballot.”

Mr. Schultz was also featured in a segment on “60 Minutes” on Sunday night ahead of the publication of his new book, “From the Ground Up,” in which he criticized President Trump as “not qualified to be the president.”

The possibility of Mr. Schultz’s candidacy as an independent has drawn condemnation from Democrats, who said that an independent run would split the vote on Election Day 2020 and hand Mr. Trump a second term.

“I have two words for Howard Schultz on a potential run for president as an independent: Just don’t,” Tina Podlodowski, chairwoman of the state Democratic Party of Washington, said last week as speculation mounted about Mr. Schultz’s plans.

Neera Tanden, president of the Center for American Progress and a former adviser to Hillary Clinton, said on Twitter, “If he enters the race, I will start a Starbucks boycott because I’m not giving a penny that will end up in the election coffers of a guy who will help Trump win.”

Mr. Schultz said he was well aware of the criticism, but said it was misplaced.

“I am certainly prepared for the cynics and the naysayers to come out and say this cannot be done,” he said. “I don’t agree with them. I think it’s un-American to say it can’t be done. I’m not doing this to be a spoiler.”

Asked if he would consider changing his mind and run as a Democrat, he said, “I feel if I ran as a Democrat I would have to be disingenuous and say things that I don’t believe because the party has shifted so far to the left.”

“When I hear people espousing free government-paid college, free government-paid health care and a free government job for everyone — on top of a $21 trillion debt — the question is, how are we paying for all this and not bankrupting the country?” Mr. Schultz said.

“It’s as big of a false narrative as the wall,” he added. “Doesn’t someone have to speak the truth about what we can afford while maintaining a deep level of compassion and empathy for the American people?”

Mr. Schultz, who grew up in the public housing projects in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn, became a billionaire by building Starbucks from seven stores in Seattle into a global coffee chain with over 350,000 employees. He was known as a progressive corporate leader, offering full health benefits for full- and part-time employees and their domestic partners, and Starbucks became the first privately owned American company to include part-time workers in its stock-option program.

With an estimated net worth of $3.3 billion, Mr. Schultz, 65, is one of several billionaires who had been mentioned as possible presidential contenders.

The former hedge fund titan Tom Steyer, who had been eyeing a run, announced this month he would focus his energies on a private effort to impeach Mr. Trump. Michael R. Bloomberg, the former New York City mayor, is contemplating a presidential run as a Democrat.

Even before Mr. Schultz’s announcement, Senator Bernie Sanders and Democrats including Senator Elizabeth Warren, who has already announced her candidacy, had delivered pre-emptive strikes at billionaires, specifically citing those who self-fund their campaigns.
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Mr. Bloomberg, with an estimated net worth of nearly $48 billion, has said he would self-fund any campaign. Mr. Schultz is expected to fund some of his own campaign, but would also likely seek public donations for a race that could cost more than $1 billion.

Mr. Schultz’s consideration of entering the race as an independent evokes the 1992 campaign by the eccentric Texas billionaire Ross Perot, also a political neophyte. Mr. Perot, for a time, was the leader in the polls and gained almost 19 percent of the popular vote, the most for an independent candidate since Theodore Roosevelt in 1912.

Like Mr. Schultz, Mr. Perot expressed concern about the national debt and vowed to reduce it. Mr. Perot failed to win any electoral votes.

Mr. Schultz, who pointed to a recent Gallup poll showing that 42 percent of voters identified as politically independent, scoffed at the comparisons to previous efforts of independent candidates.

“This is a very different time in America today in terms of how divided we are and the need for the country to come together,” he said. “I’ve done the work this year to unequivocally remove, if I decide to run, any concern regarding ballot access.”

Mr. Schultz is relying in part on a small team of outside advisers, including Steve Schmidt, the former campaign strategist for John McCain’s 2008 presidential effort.

Mr. Schultz’s success or failure may lie in who emerges as a top contender in the Democratic Party. If Joseph R. Biden Jr., who is seen as a moderate, decides to run, it would probably make it difficult for Mr. Schultz. However, he said he sees a clear opportunity if a far-left candidate emerges.

“If you have a choice between President Trump and a far-left progressive Democrat,” he said, “many people think President Trump will get re-elected.”

Stephanie Saul contributed reporting.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/us/politics/howard-schultz-president-202 0.html


nebish - 1/28/2019 at 03:57 PM

Julian Castro on Jake Taper 1/27/19 (video)
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/01/27/sotu-castro-full.cnn

Kamala Harris campaign kickoff transcript:

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Transcript: Kamala Harris kicks off presidential campaign in Oakland
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Posted: Jan 27 2019 02:57PM PST

Updated: Jan 27 2019 04:47PM PST

Transcript from Kamala Harris' presidential campaign kickoff speech in Oakland, California on January 27, 2019.

I am so proud to be a daughter of Oakland, California. And as most of you know, I was born just up the road at Kaiser Hospital. And it was just a few miles away my parents first met as graduate students at UC Berkeley where they were active in the civil rights movement.

They were born half a world apart from each other. My father, Donald, came from Jamaica to study economics. My mother, Shyamala, came from India to study the science of fighting disease.

They came here in pursuit of more than just knowledge. Like so many others, they came in pursuit of a dream. And that dream was a dream for themselves, for me and for my sister Maya.

As children growing up here in the East Bay, we were raised by a community with a deep belief in the promise of our country – and, a deep understanding of the parts of that promise that still remain unfulfilled.

We were raised in a community where we were taught to see a world, beyond just ourselves. To be conscious and compassionate about the struggles of all people.

We were raised to believe public service is a noble cause and the fight for justice is everyone’s responsibility.

In fact, my mother used to say "don't sit around and complain about things, do something.” Basically I think she was saying. You’ve got to get up and stand up and don’t give up the fight!

And it is this deep-rooted belief that inspired me to become a lawyer and a prosecutor.

It was just a couple blocks from this very spot that nearly 30 years ago as a young district attorney I walked into the courtroom for the very first time and said the five words that would guide my life’s work:

“Kamala Harris, for the people.”

Now, I knew our criminal justice system was deeply flawed.

But I also knew the profound impact law enforcement has on people’s lives, and it's responsibility to give them safety and dignity.

I knew I wanted to protect people.

And I knew that the people in our society who are most often targeted by predators are also most often the voiceless and vulnerable.

And I believed then as I do now, that no one should be left to fight alone.

You see, in our system of justice, we believe that a harm against any one of us is a har against all of us. That’s why when we file a case, it’s not filed in the name of the victim. It reads, “The People.”

This is a point I have often explained to console and counsel survivors of crime, people who faced great harm. Often at the hands of someone they trust – be it a relative or a bank or a big corporation.

I would remind them. You are not invisible. We all stand together.

That’s the power of the people.

My whole life, I’ve only had one client: the people.

Fighting for the people meant fighting on behalf of survivors of sexual assault - a fight not just against predators but a fight against silence and stigma.

For the people meant fighting for a more fair criminal justice system.

At a time when prevention and redemption were not in the vocabulary or mindset of most district attorneys, we created an initiative to get skills and job training instead of jail time for young people arrested for drugs.

For the people meant fighting for middle class families who had been defrauded by banks and were losing their homes by the millions in the Great Recession.

And I'll tell you, sitting across the table from the big banks, I witnessed the arrogance of power. Wealthy bankers accusing innocent homeowners of fault, as if Wall Street’s mess was of the people’s making.

So we went after the five biggest banks in the United States. We won 20 billion dollars for California homeowners and together we passed the strongest anti-foreclosure law in the United States of America. We did that together.

For the people meant fighting transnational gangs who traffic in drugs and guns and human beings. And I saw their sophistication, their persistence and their ruthlessness.

And folks, on the subject of transnational gangs, let’s be perfectly clear: the President's medieval vanity project is not going to stop them.

And in the fight for the people to hold this administration accountable, I have seen the amazing spirit of the American people.

During the health care fight, I saw parents and children with grave illnesses walk the halls of the United States Congress, families who had travelled across the country at incredible sacrifice.

They came to our nation’s capital believing that if their stories were heard, and if they were seen, their leaders would do the right thing.

I saw the same thing with our Dreamers. They came by the thousands. By plane, train and automobile. I’m sure they were sleeping ten-deep on someone’s living room floor.

They came because they believe in our democracy and the only country they’ve ever known as home.

I met survivors who shared their deepest, most painful personal experiences – who told stories they had never before revealed, even to their closest loved ones – because they believed that if they were seen, that their leaders would do the right thing and protect the highest court in our land.

Together we took on these battles.

To be sure we’ve won and we’ve lost, but we’ve never stopped fighting.

And that’s why we are here today.

We are here because we have another battle ahead.

We are here knowing that we are at an inflection point in the history of our world.

We are at an inflection point in in the history of our nation.

We are here because the American Dream and our American democracy are under attack and on the line like never before.

We are here at this moment in time because we must answer a fundamental question.

Who are we? Who are we as Americans?

So, let’s answer that question. To the world. And each other. Right here. And, right now.

America, we are better than this.

When we have leaders who lie and bully and attack a free press and undermine our democratic institutions that’s not our America.

When white supremacists march and murder in Charlottesville or massacre innocent worshipers at a Pittsburgh synagogue that’s not our America.

When we have children in cages crying for their mothers and fathers, don't you dare call it border security, that’s a human rights abuse and that’s not our America.

When we have leaders who attack public schools and vilify public school teachers that’s not our America.

When bankers who crashed our economy get bonuses but workers who brought our country back can't even get a raise that’s not our America.

And when American families are barely living paycheck to paycheck, what is this administration’s response?

Their response is to try to take away health care from millions of families.

Their response is to give away a trillion dollars to the biggest corporations in this country.

And their response is to blame immigrants as the source of all our problems.

And guys lets understand what is happening here: People in power are trying to convince us that the villain in our American story is each other.

But that is not our story. That is not who we are. That’s not our America.

Our United States of America is not about us versus them. It’s about We the people!

And in this moment, we must all speak truth about what’s happening.

Seek truth, speak truth and fight for the truth.

So let's speak some truth. Shall we?

Let’s speak truth about our economy. Our economy today is not working for working people.

The cost of living is going up, but paychecks aren't keeping up.

For so many Americans, a decent retirement feels out of reach and the American Dream feels out of touch.

The truth, is our people are drowning in debt.

Record student loan debt. Car loan debt. Credit card debt. Resorting to payday lenders because you can’t keep up with the bills.

People are drowning in America.

We have a whole generation of Americans living with the sinking fear that they won't do as well as their parents.

Let’s speak another truth about our economy. Women are paid on average 80 cents on the dollar. Black women, 63 cents. Latinas, 53 cents.

And here’s the thing. When we lift up the women of our country, we lift up the children of our country. We lift up the families of our country. And the whole of society benefits.

Let's speak another truth. Big pharmaceutical companies have unleashed an opioid crisis from the California coast to the mountains of West Virginia. And people once and for all we have got to call drug addiction for what it is: a national public health emergency. And we don't need another War on Drugs.

Let’s speak truth. Climate change is real and it is happening now. From wildfires In the west to hurricanes in the east, to floods and droughts in the heartland, we're not gonna buy the lie. We're gonna act, based on science fact, not science fiction.

And let’s speak an uncomfortable but honest truth with one another: racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, transphobia are real in this country. They are age-old forms of hate with new fuel. And we need to speak that truth so we can deal with it.

Let’s speak the truth that too many unarmed black men and women are killed in America. Too many black and brown Americans are locked up. From mass incarceration to cash bail to policing, our criminal justice system needs drastic repair. Let’s speak that truth.

Let’s speak truth. Under this administration, America’s position in the world has never been weaker. Democratic values are under attack around the globe. When authoritarianism is on the march. When nuclear proliferation is on the rise. We have foreign powers infecting the White House like malware. Let us speak truth about these clear and present dangers.

And let’s speak the biggest truth, the biggest truth of all: In the face of powerful forces trying to sow hate and division among us, the truth is that as Americans we have much more in common than what separates us. Let’s speak that truth.

So, let's not buy into that stuff that they are trying to peddle. Let's never forget, that on the fundamental issues, we all have so much more in common than what separates us.

You know, some say we need to search to find that common ground. Here’s what I say, I say we need to recognize that we are already standing on common ground.

I say we will rise together or we will fall together as one nation, indivisible.

And I want to be perfectly clear: I'm not talking about unity for the sake of unity. Hear me out. I'm not talking about unity for the sake of unity.

I'm not talking about some façade of unity.

And I believe we must acknowledge that the word unity has often been used to shut people up or to preserve the status quo.

After all let’s remember: when women fought for suffrage, those in power said they were dividing the sexes and disturbing the peace.

Let’s remember: when abolitionists spoke out and civil rights workers marched, their oppressors said they were dividing the races and violating the word of God.

But Fredrick Douglass said it best and Harriet Tubman and Dr. King knew.

To love the religion of Jesus is to hate the religion of the slave master.

When we have true unity, no one will be subjugated for others. It’s about fighting for a country with equal treatment, collective purpose and freedom for all.

That’s who we are.

And so, I stand before you today, clear-eyed about the fight ahead and what has to be done—with faith in God, with fidelity to country, and with the fighting spirit I got from my mother. I stand before you today to announce my candidacy for President of the United States.

I’m running for president because I love my country. I love my country.

I’m running to be president, of the people, by the people, and for all people.

I’m running to fight for an America where the economy works for working people.

For an America where you only have to work one job to pay the bills, where hard work is rewarded and where any worker can join a union.

I am running to declare, once and for all, that health care is a fundamental right, and we will deliver that right with Medicare for All!

I am running to declare education is a fundamental right, and we will guarantee that right with universal pre-k and debt free college!

I am running to guarantee working and middle class families an overdue pay increase. We will deliver the largest working and middle-class tax cut in a generation. Up to $500 a month to help America's families make ends meet.

And we’ll pay for it by reversing this administration’s give aways to big corporations and the top one percent.

I’m running to fight for an America where our democracy and its institutions are protected against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Which is why I will defend this nation against all threats to our cybersecurity.

We will secure our elections and our critical infrastructure to protect our democracy.

And we will honor our service members and veterans – so no one who has served this country has to wait in line for weeks and months to get what they are owed when they return home on first day.

I’m running to fight for an America where no mother or father has to teach their young son that people may stop him, arrest him, chase him, or kill him, because of his race.

An America where every parent can send their children to school without being haunted by the horror of another killing spree.

Where we treat attacks on voting rights and civil rights and women’s rights and immigrant rights as attacks on our country itself.

An America where we welcome refugees and bring people out of the shadows, and provide a pathway to citizenship.

An America where our daughters, where our sisters, where our mothers and grandmothers are respected where they live and where they work.

Where reproductive rights are not just protected by the Constitution of the United States but guaranteed in every state.

I’ll fight for an America where we keep our word and where we honor our promises.

Because that’s our America.

That’s the America I believe in.

That’s the America I know we believe in.
And as we embark on this campaign, I will tell you this: I am not perfect. Lord knows, I am not perfect. But I will always speak with decency and moral clarity and treat all people with dignity and respect. I will lead with integrity. And I will speak the truth.

And of course, we know this is not going to be easy guys. It’s not going to be easy.
We know what the doubters will say.

It’s the same thing they've always said.

They’ll say it’s not your time. They’ll say wait your turn. They’ll say the odds are long. They’ll say it can’t be done.

But America’s story has always been written by people who can see what can be unburdened by what has been. That is our story. That is our story.
As Robert Kennedy many years ago said, “Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly.”

He also said, “I do not lightly dismiss the dangers and the difficulties of challenging an incumbent President, but these are not ordinary times and this is not an ordinary election.” He said, "At stake is not simply the leadership of our party and even our country. It is our right to moral leadership of this planet.”

So today I say to you my friends, these are not ordinary times. And this will not be an ordinary election. But this is our America.

And here’s the thing. It’s up to us.

It’s up to us. Each and every one of us.

So let's remember in this fight we have the power of the people.

We can achieve the dreams of our parents and grandparents.

We can heal our nation.

We can give our children the future they deserve.

We can reclaim the American Dream for every single person in our country.

We can restore America’s moral leadership on this planet.

So let’s do this.

And let’s do it together.

And let's start now.

Thank you. God bless you. And God bless the United States of America.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/transcript-kamala-harris-kicks-off-presidential-ca mpaign-in-oakland



2112 - 1/28/2019 at 05:33 PM

Kamala Harris had 20,000 at her rally yesterday. Very impressive. And to see the comments from those on the right tell me they are worried about her. Apparently they are still mad that she asked tough questions to Kavanaugh. When they are mad at you for doing your job, you must be doing something right. Still not my first choice, but I'm starting to think that she will be one of the top 2 or 3 contenders for the nomination.


Chain - 1/28/2019 at 10:07 PM

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Kamala Harris had 20,000 at her rally yesterday. Very impressive. And to see the comments from those on the right tell me they are worried about her. Apparently they are still mad that she asked tough questions to Kavanaugh. When they are mad at you for doing your job, you must be doing something right. Still not my first choice, but I'm starting to think that she will be one of the top 2 or 3 contenders for the nomination.


The Right should be afraid of her.....I think people relate to her and her life story and know she's a sharp, tough, experienced attorney who not only has a very impressive record as a prosecutor, but has successfully administered large organizations of professionals. In other words, qualified to run a branch of government (unlike the current occupant of the White House).

Also, as witnessed in her questioning of Kavanaugh, she's also thoughtful, calm, and determined. One other thing in her favor is that the Right hasn't had a decade or two to demonize her like they did Hilary Clinton. In this sense she's similar to Obama. They couldn't successfully demonize him and they may not be able to do so with Kamala Harris.

However, I'm sure Newt, Rush Limp dick, Coulter, etc. are all digging for something they can throw at her and hope sticks.


crazyjoe - 1/29/2019 at 02:45 AM

Getting ready to watch the Kamala Harris town hall, so far I like her......Peace.....joe


sckeys - 1/29/2019 at 04:15 AM

The angry white men are all over themselves since Cortez came along. Shes perfect for them to spew their hate at.


nebish - 1/29/2019 at 03:39 PM

Unfortunately I fell asleep at about 9:30 and didn't remember to record the town hall. Will have to catch up.

I think it is interesting how people are lashing out at Schultz. If he said he would be considering to run as a Democrat the narrative would be totally different. Whether or not he is a viable candidate either as an I or as a D, I hear him being minimized...as an MSNBC guest on Hayes' show said "he has no constituency". Sure I get that a block of the left resents and does not want an uber wealthy candidate running (see Bloomberg) and the party is being pushed strongly further left, but I feel if he would've said he would possibly run as a Democrat he would be reported on and viewed much differently.

Also, nobody is mentioning the fact that Trump himself my face challenges in the primary, or even in the general ~ is he even going to end up on the ballot with the Mueller stuff and all this time between now and then (643 days), SOOOO many things can happen that damage or impede Trump's reelection; I don't like seeing a potentially interesting candidate get disregarded like this....unless he is just doing it for publicity to sell books?


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2019 at 03:46 PM

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The angry white men are all over themselves since Cortez came along. Shes perfect for them to spew their hate at.


Kamala, Ocasio-Cortez, Beto, the horror! I can see their brains short-circuiting. Didn’t some idiot post here recently “Democrats won’t elect a white Christian male anymore”, lol. 2 elections out of 45 and that guy has his panties in a wad about race (but we didn’t hear BIGV mention the race-baiting there. Instead he applauded it). What a weak-minded fool that poster was.


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 03:54 PM

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The angry white men are all over themselves since Cortez came along. Shes perfect for them to spew their hate at.


I've a serious question. Must you be angry and white to call out stupidity and ignorance?

The woman is not very bright


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 04:00 PM

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(but we didn’t hear BIGV mention the race-baiting there. Instead he applauded it).


Why is it always you who mentions race?....Are we not past this?.....Seeing Politicians as people; simply Men and Women with different thoughts? Either you agree with Ideologies and platforms or you do not. Why mention the color of one's skin?


StratDal - 1/29/2019 at 04:26 PM

I enjoyed Schultz's 60 Minutes interview. He sounds like a smart man that is grounded and could find common ground with all sides.

Right now, my first choice would be Bloomberg. He understands politics, business, and working with people. I'd like for him to run as a Republican but it would be difficult getting the nomination (would be hard for Santa!) at this time.

Good bet both of them wouldn't be on Twitter 24/7 either.


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2019 at 04:34 PM

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Why is it always you who mentions race?....Are we not past this?.....Seeing Politicians as people; simply Men and Women with different thoughts? Either you agree with Ideologies and platforms or you do not. Why mention the color of one's skin?


I’m curious as to why you didn’t say this when that other poster brought it up in his lengthy post about race.


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 04:41 PM

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Why is it always you who mentions race?....Are we not past this?.....Seeing Politicians as people; simply Men and Women with different thoughts? Either you agree with Ideologies and platforms or you do not. Why mention the color of one's skin?


I’m curious as to why you didn’t say this when that other poster brought it up in his lengthy post about race.


Because you do it with the most consistency and defend it while doing so with the utmost of enthusiasm.


sckeys - 1/29/2019 at 04:55 PM

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The angry white men are all over themselves since Cortez came along. Shes perfect for them to spew their hate at.


I've a serious question. Must you be angry and white to call out stupidity and ignorance?

The woman is not very bright


That may well be true, its just that all the hate ive seen directed at her has come from old white dudes. There is Larry Elder, the African American who seems to just have distain for Mexicans.


MartinD28 - 1/29/2019 at 05:18 PM

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The angry white men are all over themselves since Cortez came along. Shes perfect for them to spew their hate at.


I've a serious question. Must you be angry and white to call out stupidity and ignorance?

The woman is not very bright


Or maybe you just don't agree with her viewpoints and consider her to not be bright because of that?


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2019 at 05:31 PM

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Because you do it with the most consistency and defend it while doing so with the utmost of enthusiasm.


That answers why you call me out on it, but it doesn't answer my previous question. I guess I don't understand the point of dodging questions from me and others here, and call it "arguing".

quote:
The woman is not very bright


What an ignorant pompous way to speak.


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 05:38 PM

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The angry white men are all over themselves since Cortez came along. Shes perfect for them to spew their hate at.


I've a serious question. Must you be angry and white to call out stupidity and ignorance?

The woman is not very bright


Or maybe you just don't agree with her viewpoints and consider her to not be bright because of that?


Watch her videos and listen to the lack of knowledge on all things historic. Her diction; not too much intellectual agility here. Zero understanding of finances. The message becomes secondary when you can't get through the delivery .

I repeat, watch her videos, particularly when she is being interviewed


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 05:41 PM

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Because you do it with the most consistency and defend it while doing so with the utmost of enthusiasm.


That answers why you call me out on it, but it doesn't answer my previous question. I guess I don't understand the point of dodging questions from me and others here, and call it "arguing".

quote:
The woman is not very bright


What an ignorant pompous way to speak.


What a charming response.

Go ahead, get in the last word.....lol


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2019 at 06:05 PM

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Go ahead, get in the last word.


Anyone else ever notice this odd response from him all the time? Anyway, why must it be the last word? I have more questions for you to dodge.

quote:
Watch her videos and listen to the lack of knowledge on all things historic. Her diction; not too much intellectual agility here. Zero understanding of finances.


What interviews are you watching? Any links of this behavior you describe? Because I've only seen her come off as intelligent and unique....that whole ink-blot test thing again....I wonder what it is.

quote:
The message becomes secondary when you can't get through the delivery


Putting the content of the message second summarizes you perfectly!




sckeys - 1/29/2019 at 06:32 PM

I wasnt directing my comments to anyone on here personally as that is never my intenion. As we know,, SC, where i live is fire truck red. ive been observing the land of the angry white man for many years up close.
Even when we go rounds with mule n goob i dont get personal or consider them bad. Bad Shine can do strange things to folks.


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 06:36 PM

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I wasnt directing my comments to anyone on here personally as that is never my intenion. As we know,, SC, where i live is fire truck red. ive been observing the land of the angry white man for many years up close.
Even when we go rounds with mule n goob i dont get personal or consider them bad. Bad Shine can do strange things to folks.


Where in S.C.? My Mother's family is from Savannah, Ga. and I spent quite a few childhood summers in Bluffton, S.C. on the May River.


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2019 at 06:57 PM

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As we know,, SC, where i live is fire truck red. ive been observing the land of the angry white man for many years up close.


They exist in every state and every city, unfortunately. And there’s no motivation among them to evolve to a rational thought about it. They willfully choose to be lazy and simple.


sckeys - 1/29/2019 at 07:36 PM

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I wasnt directing my comments to anyone on here personally as that is never my intenion. As we know,, SC, where i live is fire truck red. ive been observing the land of the angry white man for many years up close.
Even when we go rounds with mule n goob i dont get personal or consider them bad. Bad Shine can do strange things to folks.


Where in S.C.? My Mother's family is from Savannah, Ga. and I spent quite a few childhood summers in Bluffton, S.C. on the May River.


Im in the upstate, near Sburg. Im trying to place Bluffton. I can see the dang sign. I think lower state. Savannah is about 5 hrs but it seems like days for some reason. I used to go there for St PAt day.

[Edited on 1/29/2019 by sckeys]


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2019 at 08:03 PM

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Watch her videos and listen to the lack of knowledge on all things historic.


You are not qualified to know this, so what does it mean then?

quote:
Her diction; not too much intellectual agility here.


Making an assumption about her based on her speech are we? That's prejudiced.

quote:
Zero understanding of finances.


Not qualified to know this either - just more bias against her and her political affiliation.

quote:
The message becomes secondary when you can't get through the delivery .


No, YOU can't get through the delivery because of an accent. Others can get through it just fine. To dismiss her message because of her accent is so blatantly ignorant and bigoted, but I respect your honesty about it. Thanks for offering the last word.


BIGV - 1/29/2019 at 08:18 PM

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I wasnt directing my comments to anyone on here personally as that is never my intenion. As we know,, SC, where i live is fire truck red. ive been observing the land of the angry white man for many years up close.
Even when we go rounds with mule n goob i dont get personal or consider them bad. Bad Shine can do strange things to folks.


Where in S.C.? My Mother's family is from Savannah, Ga. and I spent quite a few childhood summers in Bluffton, S.C. on the May River.


Im in the upstate, near Sburg. Im trying to place Bluffton. I can see the dang sign. I think lower state. Savannah is about 5 hrs but it seems like days for some reason. I used to go there for St PAt day.



Nice. Savannah celebrates St Patties like no other!.. Bay street, damn fun spot. Bluffton just east of Beaufort and South of Hilton Head.

Spartanburg as in home of MTB?


sckeys - 1/30/2019 at 12:21 AM

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I wasnt directing my co Savannah is about 5 hrs but it seems like days for some reason. I used to go there for St PAt day.



Nice. Savannah celebrates








Spartanburg as in home of MTB?



Yea, same place. I dont get out like i used to but for a small place its always had a good music scene. I first seen Govt Mule there in 95 i think it was. I


BoytonBrother - 1/31/2019 at 03:06 PM

I’ll tell you what, it may not matter who the Democrat candidates are. If reports are true that Republicans in Washington are turning on Trump, then I’d be worried if I were one of them. If a Republican senator stands up to Trump, takes him down, and restores foreign relations authority, then the Democrats are going to have a very difficult time defeating a “conservative leader that stood up to Trump, cleaned the filth that tarnished the Republican Party image, and restored dignity and class like the Reagan day’s”, it’ll be almost impossible to beat. He/she would be hailed as a hero, even among the left. I’d vote for that character and backbone over any of the Democrat candidates so far, especially if all they do is bash Trump during their campaigns.


Chain - 1/31/2019 at 03:55 PM

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I’ll tell you what, it may not matter who the Democrat candidates are. If reports are true that Republicans in Washington are turning on Trump, then I’d be worried if I were one of them. If a Republican senator stands up to Trump, takes him down, and restores foreign relations authority, then the Democrats are going to have a very difficult time defeating a “conservative leader that stood up to Trump, cleaned the filth that tarnished the Republican Party image, and restored dignity and class like the Reagan day’s”, it’ll be almost impossible to beat. He/she would be hailed as a hero, even among the left. I’d vote for that character and backbone over any of the Democrat candidates so far, especially if all they do is bash Trump during their campaigns.


I'm not sure he/she would be a hero but only someone who finally put the country and the presidency above their own self interests. I think many on the left, middle, and also the right may feel that Republicans waited far too long to take Trump to task for what he's potentially done to the country. In other words, a too little too late kind of thing.

I would also add that issues like health care, saving the middle class, huge tax cuts for the rich, etc. have energized enough voters that no matter what a Republican does to Trump, these issues may overshadow simply standing up to an incompetent and dangerous bully...

I agree, however, that the Democrat who wins the nomination needs to offer substantive ideas and pragmatic plans to address these very issues....Just bashing Trump may not be enough.


nebish - 2/1/2019 at 03:20 PM

Cory Booker (announced 2/1/2019)
-49 years old, current US Senator from NJ, former Newark Mayor, Rhodes Scholar
https://corybooker.com/

Marianne Williamson (announced 1/28/2019)
-66 years old, author, teacher and activist, lost California Congressional election in 2014 as an Independent
https://marianne.com/


OriginalGoober - 2/1/2019 at 07:42 PM

Unfortunately Newark, NJ is a very violent place to live and nobody feels safe in many areas there. Corey thinks he is a legend in his own mind but his accomplishments are pretty weak. His biggest assest for lots of democrats is he's been posturing as far left as Pelosi which will translate into a poor campaign because he will not be able to appeal to middle America.

Spartacus 2020


BoytonBrother - 2/1/2019 at 08:58 PM

Those democrats live rent free in your head, don’t they. Must suck.


nebish - 2/8/2019 at 01:39 PM

CNN's second Presidential Town Hall will be with Howard Schultz. Geesh, it would be nice to talk to one of the many who has actually filed with the election committee to run rather than a 'maybe'.


nebish - 2/9/2019 at 09:32 PM

Elizabeth Warren (announced 2/9/19)
- 69, current US Senator from Massachusetts, former law professor with appointments for advising and oversight on bankruptcy and consumer protections
https://elizabethwarren.com/


nebish - 2/11/2019 at 02:39 PM

Amy Klobuchar (announced 2/10/19)
- 58, current US Senator from Minnesota, former county attorney and prosecutor
https://www.amyklobuchar.com/


MartinD28 - 2/11/2019 at 04:18 PM

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CNN's second Presidential Town Hall will be with Howard Schultz. Geesh, it would be nice to talk to one of the many who has actually filed with the election committee to run rather than a 'maybe'.


Agree 100%.

I think CNN did a grab on HS because he probably increases ratings and would be considered the "outsider / spoiler".

I think we should get a town hall of the dozens of potential Dems or at least once they announce, as well as Trump and the possibly 1 or 2 GOP candidates should they challenge the "great one" or unless he's found to be damaged goods beyond what he was in 2015 through current.


nebish - 2/11/2019 at 04:29 PM

Yeah, that is what it is. Schultz was the guy everyone was talking about, for the wrong reasons, but CNN is likely just trying to capitalize on a person that might generate more interest and viewers.

I know some of these candidates have made the rounds of being guests on the various shows, but I would really like to see them give equal time to all of them rather than cherry picking.


BIGV - 2/11/2019 at 05:15 PM

Regardless of Party affiliation, it is becoming more difficult in each upcoming Election to get "excited" about any Candidate wishing to live in the White House. All of the people listed by the OP are just "the next group" throwing their hats in the ring. If President Trump has accomplished anything, I think most will agree that he has lowered the standard of who is qualified. Has this really opened a discussion about Oprah Winfrey running for President? Any celebrity is now adequate? Any Politician?...Yikes.

Just as the Republicans did with McCain/Palin in 2008, the Dems will do in 2020, the next group who have "earned" a shot at being President. When was the last time a True "Leader" emerged form any Party? "Roosevelt" in '32?...Kennedy in '60?..Reagan in '80?....Obama in '08?

That is the issue with me. The difference in voting for a Leader or a candidate. No wonder there is so much Voter apathy.


porkchopbob - 2/11/2019 at 05:58 PM

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Just as the Republicans did with McCain/Palin in 2008, the Dems will do in 2020, the next group who have "earned" a shot at being President.


I think the Dems already did this with Hilary in 2016, and Gore in 2000. I think 2020 will actually be a reaction to 2016's primaries for Democratic voters and we will see a fresh face emerge. And it won't be Oprah.


BoytonBrother - 2/11/2019 at 06:08 PM

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CNN is likely just trying to capitalize on a person that might generate more interest and viewers.


I hope everyone ignores the 24-hour cable news outlets for reasons exactly like this. Network news is unlikely to pull shenanigans like this since they have other programming responsibilities.


nebish - 2/18/2019 at 02:17 PM

Amy Klobuchar CNN Townhall tonight from New Hampshire.


cyclone88 - 2/19/2019 at 01:29 PM

And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.

I'm not a politico and perhaps I'm naive, but don't these guys know when it's time to give it up and become elder statemen/advisers to younger, fresher candidates? It's purely ego driven.

Age matters. As 81-year-old Jack Nicholson recently said, "My days of having any woman I wanted are OVER. I don't like it, but I'm realistic. I'm not going to make a fool of myself."


BIGV - 2/19/2019 at 10:36 PM

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And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.


YeeHa! The Champion of free stuff rides again.


Sang - 2/19/2019 at 10:50 PM

You mean free stuff for people instead of corporations? LOL


MartinD28 - 2/19/2019 at 10:54 PM

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And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.


YeeHa! The Champion of free stuff rides again.


Maybe Bernie will propose a middle class tax cut where many in the middle class end up paying more, and it blows up the deficit. Oh...I forgot that successful sham already has an owner.

I guess you're OK with that?


BoytonBrother - 2/19/2019 at 11:13 PM

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YeeHa! The Champion of free stuff rides again.


BIGV, I was utterly shocked, shocked I tell ya, that you were arguing in Anything Goes....that’s so not like you to get involved with that, lol.


BIGV - 2/19/2019 at 11:36 PM

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And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.


YeeHa! The Champion of free stuff rides again.


Maybe Bernie will propose a middle class tax cut where many in the middle class end up paying more, and it blows up the deficit. Oh...I forgot that successful sham already has an owner.

I guess you're OK with that?


My quote was about Free Health care, Free public college and a higher minimum wage, all things that attract Millennials who have no clue about who ends up paying. Yay!

Can you here the shouts of glee coming from the leaders of the Democratic party?!


MartinD28 - 2/20/2019 at 12:27 AM

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And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.


YeeHa! The Champion of free stuff rides again.


Maybe Bernie will propose a middle class tax cut where many in the middle class end up paying more, and it blows up the deficit. Oh...I forgot that successful sham already has an owner.

I guess you're OK with that?


My quote was about Free Health care, Free public college and a higher minimum wage, all things that attract Millennials who have no clue about who ends up paying. Yay!

Can you here the shouts of glee coming from the leaders of the Democratic party?!


Actually to answer your question - no, I doubt those are attainable, and I doubt you'd hear shouts of glee.

But I see you didn't answer the question I raised.


BIGV - 2/20/2019 at 12:44 AM

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But I see you didn't answer the question I raised.


You answered a statement about Bernie with a question about the President.

The thread title pertains to "Officially Declared Democrat 2020 POTUS Candidates" of which Bernie is now included.....

Let's stay focused here


cyclone88 - 2/20/2019 at 12:46 AM

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And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.

I'm not a politico and perhaps I'm naive, but don't these guys know when it's time to give it up and become elder statemen/advisers to younger, fresher candidates? It's purely ego driven.

Age matters. As 81-year-old Jack Nicholson recently said, "My days of having any woman I wanted are OVER. I don't like it, but I'm realistic. I'm not going to make a fool of myself."


WP, you missed the point. I don't care what Sanders offers or doesn't. He's effing OLD - 79 in Nov. 2020. Give it up. Whisper in some young candidates ear, but go away. Quit diluting the dem pool.

[Edited on 2/20/2019 by cyclone88]


MartinD28 - 2/20/2019 at 01:10 AM

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But I see you didn't answer the question I raised.


You answered a statement about Bernie with a question about the President.

The thread title pertains to "Officially Declared Democrat 2020 POTUS Candidates" of which Bernie is now included.....

Let's stay focused here



Which was a retort to your accusation about something that even you should know Bernie will not be able to achieve as opposed to an action that the President did achieve and was damaging to many in the middle class - those whom were supposed to benefit so we were led to believe.


MartinD28 - 2/20/2019 at 01:14 AM

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And now we have 77-year-old Bernie Sanders.

I'm not a politico and perhaps I'm naive, but don't these guys know when it's time to give it up and become elder statemen/advisers to younger, fresher candidates? It's purely ego driven.

Age matters. As 81-year-old Jack Nicholson recently said, "My days of having any woman I wanted are OVER. I don't like it, but I'm realistic. I'm not going to make a fool of myself."


WP, you missed the point. I don't care what Sanders offers or doesn't. He's effing OLD - 79 in Nov. 2020. Give it up. Whisper in some young candidates ear, but go away. Quit diluting the dem pool.

[Edited on 2/20/2019 by cyclone88]


Agree. Bernie has had his run and made his mark. Time to let others lead the way. I'd be shocked if he has the support this time around.


BIGV - 2/20/2019 at 01:17 AM

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Which was a retort to your accusation about something that even you should know Bernie will not be able to achieve


"Even I should know"...LOL....

How about Bernie?...Think he knows?...Bet it won't stop him from promising it....


OriginalGoober - 2/20/2019 at 01:23 AM

So whats Bernie been up too? How has been spending his millions and millions in campaign contributions from his duped supporters. I say duped because he was never going to challenge the belle of the ball in 2016. He predictably folded like a cheap suit. Now shady's back again. How fun is this going to be to watch all the democrats try to be like the socialist and explain how they want America to be more like Venezuela.


cyclone88 - 2/20/2019 at 01:43 AM

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WP, you missed the point. I don't care what Sanders offers or doesn't. He's effing OLD - 79 in Nov. 2020. Give it up. Whisper in some young candidates ear, but go away. Quit diluting the dem pool


Agree. Bernie has had his run and made his mark. Time to let others lead the way. I'd be shocked if he has the support this time around.


He's lost all the women after the harassment & discrimination claims re his 2016 run. He's tone deaf to what that means.


BIGV - 2/20/2019 at 01:48 AM

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WP, you missed the point. I don't care what Sanders offers or doesn't. He's effing OLD - 79 in Nov. 2020. Give it up. Whisper in some young candidates ear, but go away. Quit diluting the dem pool


Agree. Bernie has had his run and made his mark. Time to let others lead the way. I'd be shocked if he has the support this time around.


He's lost all the women after the harassment & discrimination claims re his 2016 run. He's tone deaf to what that means.


That being said, watch as he remains an important player right up to the Convention.


2112 - 2/20/2019 at 01:54 AM

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So whats Bernie been up too? How has been spending his millions and millions in campaign contributions from his duped supporters. I say duped because he was never going to challenge the belle of the ball in 2016. He predictably folded like a cheap suit. Now shady's back again. How fun is this going to be to watch all the democrats try to be like the socialist and explain how they want America to be more like Venezuela.


Venezuela? More like Canada and Scandinavia. Why not use socialist states more similar to the US instead of one that is nothing at all like the US?


cyclone88 - 2/20/2019 at 02:14 AM

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He's lost all the women after the harassment & discrimination claims re his 2016 run. He's tone deaf to what that means.


That being said, watch as he remains an important player right up to the Convention.


No, thanks. Women, particularly young women, know he's DOA.


nebish - 2/20/2019 at 04:23 AM

Bernie Sanders (announced 2/19/2019)
- 77, current US Senator from Vermont, self described Democratic Socialist, serving as elected representative in Washington since 1991, former Mayor of Burlington, lost Democrat Nomination 2016
https://berniesanders.com/

Maybe the best thing is we will get more Larry David on SNL.

I really believe that Bernie's time was last cycle. His message has now been picked up and spread throughout the party and he isn't unique anymore really.

Oh, he gets the CNN Townhall treatment next Monday.

[Edited on 2/20/2019 by nebish]


BoytonBrother - 2/20/2019 at 11:59 AM

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Millennials who have no clue about who ends up paying.


I love how people like to bash millennials, to excuse the utter stupidity of the boomers who raised them with their backwards archaic thinking. Typical to point the finger at the pupil rather than the leader. It’s so much easier that way.




[Edited on 2/20/2019 by BoytonBrother]


BoytonBrother - 2/20/2019 at 12:32 PM

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So whats Bernie been up too? How has been spending his millions and millions in campaign contributions from his duped supporters. I say duped because he was never going to challenge the belle of the ball in 2016. He predictably folded like a cheap suit. Now shady's back again. How fun is this going to be to watch all the democrats try to be like the socialist and explain how they want America to be more like Venezuela.


Has Goober jumped the shark? I’ll be honest, I used to get enraged by his posts but I haven’t in a very long time. I think he wants to provoke arguments and probably doesn’t even hate Democrats. This post just seems very fake and insincere because, in all honesty, how can somebody sit at home and feel so strongly about Bernie and Jussie Smollet?


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