Thread: Cavanaugh

BoytonBrother - 9/16/2018 at 03:17 PM

Just a reminder that if Cavanaugh helps to prevent a President from ever being indicted for a crime, so that Trump has free reign, then you are also giving that same privilege to the next ultra-liberal President. Do you really want the next Obama, Hillary, Elizabeth Warren, Beto O’Rourke, etc, to be able to commit any crime they want without punishment? If you want Cavanaugh, that’s what you are asking for.


jkeller - 9/16/2018 at 03:46 PM

Kavanaugh. With a "K".


BoytonBrother - 9/17/2018 at 02:01 PM

I must've been thinking about my local watering hole.

Part of me thinks Trump knew Democrats were going to block him, so Kavanaugh isn't really his #1 pick. I'm interested in hearing the woman's testimony, and I do find her to be credible based on her profile. I do not share the opinion that Kavanaugh is a bad guy who deserves to be demonized for an incident as a teen, however, maybe Supreme Court Judge isn't for him. A Supreme Court seat should only be filled by the best of our country who never had a lapse of judgment like that.


sckeys - 9/17/2018 at 02:06 PM

They are going to speed him through. They were much quicker in judging Al Franken.


MartinD28 - 9/17/2018 at 02:28 PM

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They are going to speed him through. They were much quicker in judging Al Franken.


I'm afraid you are correct.

His views on executive power, a woman's right to choose, and birth control are unacceptable in a modern day society.


BIGV - 9/17/2018 at 03:25 PM

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a woman's right to choose


Interesting in that the argument seems to have always been centered on "When does life begin"?. I believe and will continue to do so; it is a woman's choice concerning what goes on inside and with her own body. But, if that is the main point of contention....


BoytonBrother - 9/17/2018 at 03:51 PM

A federal ban on abortion would be a catastrophic mistake - it should be left up to the states to decide. In my utopian world, aborition would never ever happen. However, the real world can be brutal. All types of people in this country partake in extremely reckless and irresponsible behavior that leads to babies being born into familes that can't raise them. I'm willing to listen to an abortion-ban law, provided that there is a rock solid plan to take care of all these new children in need. Since I don't believe that such a plan could work properly, I think at least some states MUST allow it so people have the option to travel there if necessary.


tbomike - 9/17/2018 at 04:27 PM

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A federal ban on abortion would be a catastrophic mistake - it should be left up to the states to decide. In my utopian world, aborition would never ever happen. However, the real world can be brutal. All types of people in this country partake in extremely reckless and irresponsible behavior that leads to babies being born into familes that can't raise them. I'm willing to listen to an abortion-ban law, provided that there is a rock solid plan to take care of all these new children in need. Since I don't believe that such a plan could work properly, I think at least some states MUST allow it so people have the option to travel there if necessary.


No it should not be left up to the States. It should be settled law that it is and actually the Court has already gone too far in letting States enact prohibitive measures.


MartinD28 - 9/17/2018 at 04:56 PM

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A federal ban on abortion would be a catastrophic mistake - it should be left up to the states to decide. In my utopian world, aborition would never ever happen. However, the real world can be brutal. All types of people in this country partake in extremely reckless and irresponsible behavior that leads to babies being born into familes that can't raise them. I'm willing to listen to an abortion-ban law, provided that there is a rock solid plan to take care of all these new children in need. Since I don't believe that such a plan could work properly, I think at least some states MUST allow it so people have the option to travel there if necessary.


No it should not be left up to the States. It should be settled law that it is and actually the Court has already gone too far in letting States enact prohibitive measures.


Agree totally.

We'll see if Judge K sees it as settled law when he joins the SC. I think our biggest concerns will be realized & actualized. Remember Emperor Don's campaign promise.


BoytonBrother - 9/17/2018 at 05:32 PM

I agree with both of you at the end of the day. Am I wrong to believe that Roe v. Wade could be overturned? I was under the impression that Kavanaugh's vote could overturn the decision, should a case get that far. Should that horrible news happen, I'd want states to be able to legalize it as they wish.


tbomike - 9/17/2018 at 06:52 PM

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I agree with both of you at the end of the day. Am I wrong to believe that Roe v. Wade could be overturned? I was under the impression that Kavanaugh's vote could overturn the decision, should a case get that far. Should that horrible news happen, I'd want states to be able to legalize it as they wish.


Well I agree that it could be overturned but the manner they would likely use to overturn it would be exactly that. To allow States to put restrictions on it as they wish. Which is pretty much happening already and in some of those States it is already difficult for poor women to have access.


BIGV - 9/17/2018 at 07:26 PM

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in some of those States it is already difficult for poor women to have access.


Are condoms expensive?


BoytonBrother - 9/17/2018 at 07:51 PM

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Are condoms expensive?


I think he was referring to access to abortion, not contraceptives.


BIGV - 9/17/2018 at 08:24 PM

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Are condoms expensive?


I think he was referring to access to abortion, not contraceptives.


I know what he was referencing, it was an inference to the easy accessibility of condoms, versus the worry of an Abortion being available.

Otherwise known as sarcasm.


BoytonBrother - 9/17/2018 at 08:45 PM

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Well I agree that it could be overturned but the manner they would likely use to overturn it would be exactly that. To allow States to put restrictions on it as they wish. Which is pretty much happening already and in some of those States it is already difficult for poor women to have access.


Which doesn't make any sense to me. If a state makes access to abortion more difficult in poor communities, and more babies are born as a result, the state will create a larger financial burden for itself. The rich communities won't need or qualify for any public assistance.


StratDal - 9/17/2018 at 09:47 PM

Based on these current allegations of sexual assault, Mr. Kavanaugh might be in some trouble.


BoytonBrother - 9/17/2018 at 10:31 PM

On what grounds?


LeglizHemp - 9/18/2018 at 10:10 PM

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/north-america/certain-women-should-b e-struck-regularly-like-gongs-20180919-p504lb.html


sckeys - 9/18/2018 at 10:21 PM

A guy from my school had a reputation for strange advances as I was told by 2 different girls. I’ve watched the news thru adulthood wondering if he’s gonna pop up charged cause he “done things with its skin” or some twisted stuff like that.


OriginalGoober - 9/19/2018 at 12:08 AM

In this case there are lots of sketchy details , young teens, excessive amounts of alcohol, and a hazy recollection which is understandable since it happened over 3 decades ago. If this trumps a stellar career and spotless record than its a dangerous precedent.

Turns out there is a hypnotist as part of this sideshow as well....

[Edited on 9/19/2018 by OriginalGoober]


OriginalGoober - 9/19/2018 at 12:13 AM

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https://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/north-america/certain-women-sh ould-be-struck-regularly-like-gongs-20180919-p504lb.html


Wasnt there a movie starring Al Pacino or Robin Williams that captured this prep school culture?


BoytonBrother - 9/19/2018 at 02:27 AM

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In this case there are lots of sketchy details , young teens, excessive amounts of alcohol, and a hazy recollection


Which should disqualify him since there are qualified candidates who rose above that as a teen.


dutchoneill - 9/19/2018 at 05:02 PM

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In this case there are lots of sketchy details , young teens, excessive amounts of alcohol, and a hazy recollection


Which should disqualify him since there are qualified candidates who rose above that as a teen.




Even Feinstein has said there are concerns about this being truthful
Ya think?


MartinD28 - 9/19/2018 at 11:07 PM

Judge K seems to be perfect for Team Trump. There seems to be a pattern in play with actions towards women for Team Trump. These are men who seem to treat women with great respect and decency.

The list includes the following:

Emperor Don

Roy Moore

Rob Porter

Bret Kavanaugh


OriginalGoober - 9/20/2018 at 12:29 AM

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In this case there are lots of sketchy details , young teens, excessive amounts of alcohol, and a hazy recollection


Which should disqualify him since there are qualified candidates who rose above that as a teen.




Sorry... you dont get to ruin someone's career over an unfounded allegation. You just don't..... There better be some proof or evidence available or too bad for you... Even if it happened. without proof, witnesses or video, you have no power to destroy someones career over telling some half-baked story. We will see in this case whether it meets a credible standard.


LeglizHemp - 9/20/2018 at 12:47 AM

it is credible but Feinstein made a mistake holding it back.
it won't matter as it was 35-6 yrs ago.
it will get out of committee.
will they vote up or down in the senate.......prob down, for other reasons.


BoytonBrother - 9/20/2018 at 04:31 AM

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Sorry... you dont get to ruin someone's career over an unfounded allegation. You just don't..


Ruin a career? LOL!!! He would be a wealthy American without a Supreme Court seat. “Ruined”, lol. Oh Goob, you are so sensitive.


cyclone88 - 9/20/2018 at 02:04 PM

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In this case there are lots of sketchy details , young teens, excessive amounts of alcohol, and a hazy recollection which is understandable since it happened over 3 decades ago. If this trumps a stellar career and spotless record than its a dangerous precedent.

Turns out there is a hypnotist as part of this sideshow as well....



No, this is not a case (not "sideshow") of a "recovered" memory; the victim's memory of the incident has always been clear - not "hazy" - haunting her.

Why not mention it earlier? 1) Because he wasn't a SCOTUS nominee just a rich white boy who became a rich white Old Boy and 2) the victim's character is always questioned. Why does any rape/sexual assault victim keep quiet? Do you have to ask?

Last I knew, excessive alcohol merely loosens pre-existing inhibitions at any age. We've learned nothing about sexual harassment & assault in the 27 years since Thomas hearings when the "dangerous precedent" was set.


BrerRabbit - 9/20/2018 at 04:04 PM

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Sorry... you dont get to ruin someone's career over an unfounded allegation. You just don't.....


Are you referring to the Cooked Hillary Lock Her Up thing? Or any number of patently absurd and destructive slanders toward whomever? Your boy in the White House wrote the book on character assassination and weaponized defamation.

You DO get to ruin people with unfounded allegations. YOU JUST DO....

LOL!


sckeys - 9/20/2018 at 04:22 PM

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quote:
Sorry... you dont get to ruin someone's career over an unfounded allegation. You just don't.....


Are you referring to the Cooked Hillary Lock Her Up thing? Or any number of patently absurd and destructive slanders toward whomever? Your boy in the White House wrote the book on character assassination and weaponized defamation.

You DO get to ruin people with unfounded allegations. YOU JUST DO....

LOL!





Exactly. The president himself has thrown the rules out.


MartinD28 - 9/20/2018 at 09:14 PM

Preacher Franklin Graham Claims Brett Kavanaugh Abuse Allegation Is Irrelevant. I mean - why would this surprise anyone coming from an Evangelical Christian like Graham. This really should surprise no one in this day in age. We've really seen a sell out by these types.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/preacher-franklin-graham-claims-brett-203404970. html


sckeys - 9/20/2018 at 09:39 PM

These types have sickened me for years. Using God to get Rich.


OriginalGoober - 9/20/2018 at 11:47 PM


Democrats say, All women are to be believed.... except if you are Juanita Broderick or Paula Jones, or Monica

[Edited on 9/20/2018 by OriginalGoober]


MartinD28 - 9/20/2018 at 11:56 PM

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Democrats say, All women are to be believed.... except if you are Juanita Broderick or Paula Jones, or Monica
rs
[Edited on 9/20/2018 by OriginalGoober]


Do you believe any of the 17 women on record who claim Trump groped them? Do you believe that Trump had sex with Clifford & McDougal?

Do you believe Roy Moore backed by Trump is a pedo / perv?

Do you believe that there is a chance that the good Judge K may be guilty of what Christine Ford accuses him of?

Are you interested in truth, or do you just regurgitate right wing rhetoric?


sckeys - 9/21/2018 at 12:11 AM

Any trump supporter such as graham preaching morals is downright funny. I’m thankful that those days are over.


LeglizHemp - 9/21/2018 at 12:54 AM

precedent was not set forever by men's prior behavior.

evolution dude

Some even might call it Justice.

[Edited on 9/21/2018 by LeglizHemp]


BoytonBrother - 9/21/2018 at 02:05 AM

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Democrats say, All women are to be believed.... except if you are Juanita Broderick or Paula Jones, or Monica


I don’t know one single person that doesn’t believe them. You have quite the imagination.


2112 - 9/21/2018 at 02:35 AM

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Democrats say, All women are to be believed.... except if you are Juanita Broderick or Paula Jones, or Monica


I don’t know one single person that doesn’t believe them. You have quite the imagination.


I don't know anyone who doesn't believe them either. Heck, the fact that Al Franken was out of there in a blink of the eye should tell you something. Republicans on the other hand will support their dirt bags to the very end, guilty or not.


MartinD28 - 9/21/2018 at 04:06 PM

The Groper In Chief finally couldn't be restrained anymore before he went into attack mode on Christine Ford - Standard Operating Procedure for the man in the WH who has nothing but respect for women.

Hey prez Don, Is this one of those "grab them by the pus$$y moments you brag about"?

"Trump attacks Kavanaugh’s accuser in a string of despicable tweets"


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-attacks-kavanaugh-accuser-string-134819897 .html


sckeys - 9/21/2018 at 05:22 PM

All these repub women from fox and elsewhere who were so hyped over bill cosby (hey hey hey) are now singing a different tune about how long ago it was, how the victim should be treated and so on. It must be those evangelical values at work.


MartinD28 - 9/22/2018 at 12:48 AM

Houston police chief sets Trump straight on under reported sex crimes. The pu$$y grabber should really listen to those who know more than he does. Donnie's level of expertise in this area is as a groper; not a law enforcement expert.

In typical Trump fashion, the below Trump quote stands out in the article. He truly lives in a mindset of denial and not reality.

He added, "Facts don’t matter. I go through this with them every single day in DC"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-chief-forced-tell-trump-194419485.html


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