Thread: Freedom of Speech, Press and Media in America

gina - 8/6/2018 at 11:10 PM

You may have heard Alex Jones was banned from several media sites, including Facebook and You Tube.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/facebook-apple-youtube-and-spotif y-ban-infowars-alex-jones/ar-BBLz2Da?OCID=ansmsnnews11

I know that many on this site do not like him, but there are questions regarding freedom of speech, beliefs etc. After watching the Zuckerberg hearings in D. C. when Mark Zuckerberg was questioned about Cambridge Analytica etc. I had a better understanding of what his vision for Facebook was. He wants it to be a happy, wholesome community. He does not want it to be used for tirades or political causes that rile people up, rally them to participate in destructive acts.

All those things come under fundamental rights in our Constitution, freedom of speech, the right to assemble, the right to protest, etc. etc. Facebook has a right to state what it's standards and rules are and if people do not want to adhere to them, they need a different forum.

I do think that You Tube should reverse it's decision because You Tube has always stood out as a place for any and all information. People need a censorship free You Tube.

Alex can get a little intense, but with all that is going on in the world today, it would be difficult not to have divergent opinions sometimes. I guess the old phrase "the revolution will not be televised" is prophetic. It won't be televised because the 6 companies that own and control the media will not allow people to know what is going on.

Internet? The Dept of Defense developed a kill switch to take it down globally if or when they feel they need to. They developed it, they have the keys to the kingdom.

As for Alex, he needs to learn about VPN's. Virtual Private Networks, or get hosted by a friendly country.

So the topic for debate is, should some forms of media allow free speech in the press and media?


sckeys - 8/6/2018 at 11:26 PM

He’s a nut but censorship isn’t the answer.


Muleman1994 - 8/7/2018 at 02:02 AM

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He’s a nut but censorship isn’t the answer.


He is a loon but censorship is a dangerous path to go down.
Ignore him.


jkeller - 8/7/2018 at 02:23 AM

It is not censorship. These sites have terms of use and they feel that Jones violated them. These sites have removed content and users from their sites in the past. He is free to start his own site and spew his garbage.


Muleman1994 - 8/7/2018 at 02:38 AM

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It is not censorship. These sites have terms of use and they feel that Jones violated them. These sites have removed content and users from their sites in the past. He is free to start his own site and spew his garbage.



Those site selectively remove content.
That is censorship.


jkeller - 8/7/2018 at 03:33 AM

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It is not censorship. These sites have terms of use and they feel that Jones violated them. These sites have removed content and users from their sites in the past. He is free to start his own site and spew his garbage.



Those site selectively remove content.
That is censorship.



As these are privately owned web sites, they can allow or remove whatever content they wish. Anything on a private site is not protected by the First Amendment. Anyone may start their own site put whatever they want on it.

Let me ask you something. Let’s just look at Facebook for a minute. They have terms and conditions that anyone who has an account there agrees to. So Facebook deletes things like porn and threatening posts from users. Ids that ok with you? Or are you ok with threats of physical harm? What if it was against Trump? Or you, for that matter?


BrerRabbit - 8/7/2018 at 04:54 AM

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Those site selectively remove content.
That is censorship.


True. Same as it is censorship when threads here on Whipping Post go over the top and the webmaster deletes them. Privately hosted social sites state their terms and if folks break the rules the webmasters are free to selectively censor, and ban whomever they wish.

This is not a 1st Amendment issue.


2112 - 8/7/2018 at 09:15 AM

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Those site selectively remove content.
That is censorship.


True. Same as it is censorship when threads here on Whipping Post go over the top and the webmaster deletes them. Privately hosted social sites state their terms and if folks break the rules the webmasters are free to selectively censor, and ban whomever they wish.

This is not a 1st Amendment issue.




It's ironic that anyone on the right would cry censorship, since they were the ones who supported doing away with net neutrality. Without net neutrality Internet service providers are free to block absolutely anything they want, for any reason. Anybody who supported the Republicans when they voted to repeal net neutrality have zero right to complain abut censorship on the Internet - ever!


BoytonBrother - 8/7/2018 at 01:17 PM

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Those site selectively remove content.
That is censorship.


Mule sounds liberal - he is saying private companies shouldn’t be able to make their own policies and decisions. What’s next, you want the government to force them to post content on their site that they don’t want? Are you part of Antifa?


sckeys - 8/7/2018 at 03:07 PM

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It is not censorship. These sites have terms of use and they feel that Jones violated them. These sites have removed content and users from their sites in the past. He is free to start his own site and spew his garbage.


Well, since you gonna go and get all legal with it, I agree. Censorship is a bit strong. I guess I just don’t like it.


Muleman1994 - 8/7/2018 at 04:28 PM

Remember when the Democrats supported free speech?

Hard-left Dems demand Silicon Valley giants implement more censorship.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/07/sen-chris-murphy-calls-for-more- silicon-valley-censorship-survival-our-democracy-depends-on-it.html


Sounds like the Senator’s “survival of our democracy depends on it” is his way of saying survival of the Democrat party depends on it.

Keeping their followers ignorant is essential.

An informed electorate is one of the Dems greatest fears.


PhotoRon286 - 8/7/2018 at 04:45 PM

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Remember when the Democrats supported free speech?

Hard-left Dems demand Silicon Valley giants implement more censorship.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/07/sen-chris-murphy-calls-for-more- silicon-valley-censorship-survival-our-democracy-depends-on-it.html


Sounds like the Senator’s “survival of our democracy depends on it” is his way of saying survival of the Democrat party depends on it.

Keeping their followers ignorant is essential.

An informed electorate is one of the Dems greatest fears.



Wasn't it your orange hero that said "I love the poorly educated"?



Oooops.


Muleman1994 - 8/7/2018 at 05:29 PM

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Remember when the Democrats supported free speech?

Hard-left Dems demand Silicon Valley giants implement more censorship.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/07/sen-chris-murphy-calls-for-more- silicon-valley-censorship-survival-our-democracy-depends-on-it.html


Sounds like the Senator’s “survival of our democracy depends on it” is his way of saying survival of the Democrat party depends on it.

Keeping their followers ignorant is essential.

An informed electorate is one of the Dems greatest fears.



Wasn't it your orange hero that said "I love the poorly educated"?



Oooops.


President Trump was referring to the people that the left looks down on.
Why is it you are incapable of understanding simple direct statements?


jkeller - 8/7/2018 at 05:52 PM

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Remember when the Democrats supported free speech?

Hard-left Dems demand Silicon Valley giants implement more censorship.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/07/sen-chris-murphy-calls-for-more- silicon-valley-censorship-survival-our-democracy-depends-on-it.html


Sounds like the Senator’s “survival of our democracy depends on it” is his way of saying survival of the Democrat party depends on it.

Keeping their followers ignorant is essential.

An informed electorate is one of the Dems greatest fears.



After a couple of people explain what terms of use means and why it is not censorship, mule posts this. So, is mule dumb or is just trolling? It has to be one or the other, he doesn't really want to have a discussion.


BrerRabbit - 8/7/2018 at 05:58 PM

So Mule, I have a question for you.

- Do you think Roland is unfairly censoring you when you abandon your sociopathic droning monotone and occasionally freak out and show your true colors, in all your toxic glory?

It has happened several times, when your radiator blows and you spew off into patriotic frenzy. It is always hilarious, but I can see why Roland cuts you off.

Especially your classic "Kiss my godfearing guntoting flagwaving American Patriot @ss". That was pure comedy gold, unforgettable.

Do you feel it was unfair to have that deleted?

[Edited on 8/7/2018 by BrerRabbit]


gina - 8/11/2018 at 04:17 PM

I cannot speak for Rowland, but he might have just wanted to avoid a big scene cyber confrontation.

I see nothing wrong with what you quoted other than telling another poster to kiss someone's ass is not the best behavior, but there is nothing wrong with having a belief in God, or being in support of the second amendment right to bear arms, and being a patriot was never something objectionable either.


Bhawk - 8/11/2018 at 04:37 PM

Alex Jone$ can always run a subscription website where he establishes his own TOS and continue to say what he wants.

If he's such a harbinger of truth and information, he should do well.


MartinD28 - 8/11/2018 at 10:39 PM

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Alex Jone$ can always run a subscription website where he establishes his own TOS and continue to say what he wants.

If he's such a harbinger of truth and information, he should do well.


Is this where we wait for Kellyanne to talk about "alternative truth"?


StratDal - 8/11/2018 at 11:35 PM

Here's some freedom of speech for ya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYQX-BPUqN4


JimSheridan - 8/12/2018 at 12:17 AM

Alex Jones spreads lies for profit, and he got called on it, certainly in the case of Sandy Hook. The US government has made no attempt to censor him, but a private company has no obligation to host him. Anyone who misses his brand of entertainment can get the same quality junk from reading the bathroom wall.


sckeys - 8/12/2018 at 12:22 AM

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Here's some freedom of speech for ya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYQX-BPUqN4



Make SC proud. Jeeeeez.


MartinD28 - 8/12/2018 at 01:03 AM

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Here's some freedom of speech for ya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYQX-BPUqN4



Yep, that's what Honest Don does best - performs, entertains, and incites. Those are his skills; governing, leading, and speaking the truth - not so much.


Muleman1994 - 8/13/2018 at 02:34 PM

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Here's some freedom of speech for ya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYQX-BPUqN4



Yep, that's what Honest Don does best - performs, entertains, and incites. Those are his skills; governing, leading, and speaking the truth - not so much.



President Trump's results blow away your rhetoric.


Muleman1994 - 8/13/2018 at 02:41 PM

The corrupt liberal media is the enemy of the people when they choose to be the corrupt liberal media.

They can choose to follow the journalistic responsibilities and ethics of reporting the news to the people and holding the government accountable or, as they do now, push a far left-wing biased opinion-based reporting.


BoytonBrother - 8/13/2018 at 05:22 PM

Zzzzzzzzzzz.


BrerRabbit - 8/13/2018 at 05:28 PM

Record skipping. Someone please put a penny on that needle.


Muleman1994 - 8/13/2018 at 05:38 PM

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Record skipping. Someone please put a penny on that needle.


The corrupt liberal media owns you.
Try thinking for yourself.




BrerRabbit - 8/13/2018 at 05:44 PM


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The corrupt liberal media owns you.
Try thinking for yourself.



The only news I tune into regularly is Fox News. I listen to AM radio. That's it. I don't watch TV, don't have cable, I don't surf web news, don't subscribe to any papers.

They report, I decide.





[Edited on 8/13/2018 by BrerRabbit]


gina - 8/18/2018 at 07:22 PM

Alex has made some very serious statements. He says that the people who want to shut him up are doing so because they plan to do a false flag attack, and use that to take people's attention away, while they try to steal the election in November and give power back to the democrats.

https://www.newswars.com/deep-state-seeks-to-blame-alex-jones-for-future-te rror-attack/

Comments: Journalists have always been targets but the idea that they plan mass censorship before they do even worse things in America is very disturbing. If they can control the media, people will not know what is going on, the truth will be silenced. If the day comes when they can do that, then they can indoctrinate people and begin their global control. Is it not enough that the 6 main media outlets are already controlled by corporate conglomerates?

A false flag or terror attack as a pre-cursor to silencing the free press must not be allowed to happen. The NSA visited Dutchsinse, who says earthquakes can be predicted and that fracking helps to cause them, they told him they wanted him to not say such things. The NSA also visited Pastor Paul Begley. Alex Jones has led a movement of patriotic people, and the elite do not want that.

Pulling the plug on Alex now does seem like a pre-cursor to something else happening.




sckeys - 8/18/2018 at 07:35 PM

Alex who?


Muleman1994 - 8/18/2018 at 07:53 PM

Why do the lefties have such a fascination with Alex Jones?
No one else pays the whack-job any mind.




sckeys - 8/18/2018 at 08:22 PM

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Why do the lefties have such a fascination with Alex Jones?
No one else pays the whack-job any mind.






Muleman and I agree.


2112 - 8/18/2018 at 08:44 PM

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Why do the lefties have such a fascination with Alex Jones?
No one else pays the whack-job any mind.




Why are the righties so fascinated with Hillary? Her public life is over with, yet you won't stop babbling on about her.


Muleman1994 - 8/18/2018 at 08:51 PM

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Why do the lefties have such a fascination with Alex Jones?
No one else pays the whack-job any mind.




Why are the righties so fascinated with Hillary? Her public life is over with, yet you won't stop babbling on about her.



Her corruption and crimes make her worth talking about until the day she is locked up.


jkeller - 8/18/2018 at 09:57 PM

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Why do the lefties have such a fascination with Alex Jones?
No one else pays the whack-job any mind.




Why are the righties so fascinated with Hillary? Her public life is over with, yet you won't stop babbling on about her.



Her corruption and crimes make her worth talking about until the day she is locked up.



Multiple investigations on Hillary, no indictments.

Investigations into Trump's collusion with a foreign government, multiple indictments and guilty pleas and the investigation continues.

Yeah, mule, whatever.


MartinD28 - 8/18/2018 at 10:34 PM

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Why do the lefties have such a fascination with Alex Jones?
No one else pays the whack-job any mind.




Why are the righties so fascinated with Hillary? Her public life is over with, yet you won't stop babbling on about her.



Her corruption and crimes make her worth talking about until the day she is locked up.



Multiple investigations on Hillary, no indictments.

Investigations into Trump's collusion with a foreign government, multiple indictments and guilty pleas and the investigation continues.

Yeah, mule, whatever.


In the next prez election, if Trump runs it will be against some Dem candidate other than HC. Yet at his campaign rally, the "informed" & "patriotic" voters wearing the "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat" t-shirt and the red MAGA hats will still be chanting "Lock Her Up". All the while the only ones who will have been locked up will be those that were associated with Trump & his campaign from 2016.


BoytonBrother - 8/19/2018 at 03:18 PM

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Her corruption and crimes make her worth talking about until the day she is locked up.


Must be frustrating knowing that your hero won’t even go after her.


sckeys - 8/19/2018 at 03:23 PM

I figured Obama would be doing time by now. They are so confident of his illegal activities that surely he’s under investigation.


2112 - 8/19/2018 at 06:53 PM

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Her corruption and crimes make her worth talking about until the day she is locked up.


Must be frustrating knowing that your hero won’t even go after her.


Mule will be talking about Hillary until the day he dies. He should start writing a song about Hillary to be played at his funeral.


StratDal - 8/19/2018 at 07:06 PM

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Her corruption and crimes make her worth talking about until the day she is locked up.


Must be frustrating knowing that your hero won’t even go after her.


Mule will be talking about Hillary until the day he dies. He should start writing a song about Hillary to be played at his funeral.



lol!


Bhawk - 8/19/2018 at 07:19 PM

The anger seen in Trump supporters is just...weird.


Muleman1994 - 8/19/2018 at 09:14 PM

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Her corruption and crimes make her worth talking about until the day she is locked up.


Must be frustrating knowing that your hero won’t even go after her.



The investigation is already underway.
If you had listened to actual news and the press conference by the DOJ AG you would know this fact.
But then again you are uninformed... again.


BoytonBrother - 8/20/2018 at 03:32 AM

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The investigation is already underway.
If you had listened to actual news and the press conference by the DOJ AG you would know this fact.
But then again you are uninformed... again.


It enrages you that Trump will let her walk free in the end.


2112 - 8/20/2018 at 04:30 AM

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The investigation is already underway.
If you had listened to actual news and the press conference by the DOJ AG you would know this fact.
But then again you are uninformed... again.


It enrages you that Trump will let her walk free in the end.


No, nothing Trump has ever done or could do in the future could enrage the Trump supporters. Trump could pardon Hillary, and they would still somehow blame it on Obama or the media. That is how cults work.


BoytonBrother - 8/20/2018 at 04:53 AM

LOL, I stand corrected. Your scenario is much more probable.


Muleman1994 - 8/21/2018 at 05:42 PM

In their mission to shut down free speech, the far-left violent militants attack their own:


Bernie Sanders supporter protesting right-wing rally with American flag beaten up by Antifa, video shows

A registered Democrat and Bernie Sanders supporter protesting a right-wing rally in Oregon earlier this month says he was viciously beaten by militant members of his own movement because he possessed a "fascist symbol" -- an American flag.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/21/bernie-sanders-supporter-protesting-ri ght-wing-rally-with-american-flag-beaten-up-by-antifa-video-shows.html




BoytonBrother - 8/21/2018 at 06:16 PM

And? Point?


Muleman1994 - 8/21/2018 at 06:23 PM

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And? Point?


Basic reading comprehension for kids is available for all.
You should take Keller, Pops and your other uninformed types to class with you.



BoytonBrother - 8/21/2018 at 06:37 PM

[quote[Basic reading comprehension for kids is available for all.
You should take Keller, Pops and your other uninformed types to class with you.




You posted a link about a fistfight somewhere at a protest.....are you offering us reading material as a kind gesture, or do you have a point?


Muleman1994 - 8/21/2018 at 08:55 PM

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[quote[Basic reading comprehension for kids is available for all.
You should take Keller, Pops and your other uninformed types to class with you.


You posted a link about a fistfight somewhere at a protest.....are you offering us reading material as a kind gesture, or do you have a point?



You constantly need common sense explained to you.
Maintaining your low-info-voter status post by post.



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