Thread: 3D printed plastic AR-15’s

BoytonBrother - 7/31/2018 at 06:56 PM

This sounds like a dilemma for the NRA. Do they promote this technology so that the 2nd amendment is protected and strengthened? Or will they oppose it since it’s competition for the gun manufacturers that control them? And just imagine all the liberal millenials printing their own untraceable firearms...scary!




[Edited on 7/31/2018 by BoytonBrother]


PhotoRon286 - 7/31/2018 at 09:44 PM

All the hand wringing over this is laughable fear mongering.

3D printers aren't cheap, require knowledge to run.

Plastic guns will work for a few shots them self destruct.

You still need a metal firing pin and you won't find any plastic bullets.

Breath easier.


BoytonBrother - 7/31/2018 at 11:34 PM

Agreed. I heard companies will buy the printers, and sell the use of them to those who download the files. PA already shut it down. But you're right, it's just a talking point. It's much easier to just buy a real gun. I'm just curious which direction the NRA will go on this.


OriginalGoober - 8/1/2018 at 02:02 AM

What's the word in CNN land?


porkchopbob - 8/1/2018 at 12:51 PM

quote:
3D printers aren't cheap, require knowledge to run.


The prices of 3D printers have dropped substantially over past 5 years. You can get a small desktop printer for a couple hundred bucks, and I know many people who know how to operate them. The real issue with the printers is that what gets printed is soft plastic and can break easily before it is even assembled.


MartinD28 - 8/1/2018 at 12:57 PM

quote:
What's the word in CNN land?


If you'd flip the channel from state run TV, you could answer your own question.


BoytonBrother - 8/1/2018 at 01:42 PM

But if these plastic guns can fire just one shot before it melts, sounds like enough to do some damage. Many states have already banned them.


LeglizHemp - 8/1/2018 at 02:51 PM

as 3D printers get better and cheaper, as the materials get better and cheaper, the guns will get better.

this is only the beginning and the question is, are the files used protected speech? can the files be regulated? how, with the dark web or just the regular internet? what if the components are all separate files, therefore on their own pose no risk? look at all the illegal drugs sold online, look at all the porn online, look at all the scams online. these things are all illegal yet they exist so would regulating it work?

personally i think this is a bad thing.


LeglizHemp - 8/1/2018 at 04:09 PM

LOL, I was just thinking, remember Napster? Remember how many corrupt or bad quality files there were? will people put corrupt or potentially deadly designs out there?

anyhow, just a thought.


PhotoRon286 - 8/1/2018 at 04:27 PM

quote:
But if these plastic guns can fire just one shot before it melts, sounds like enough to do some damage. Many states have already banned them.


Already a Federal ban on them.


LeglizHemp - 8/2/2018 at 01:08 AM

quote:
3D printers aren't cheap, require knowledge to run.


this is answer i got to this post, aside from them pothead comment (LOL), shows that it is possible to do on the cheap.

me: who do you sue when a 3D printed gun malfunctions and what if the file you downloaded was purposefully altered to cause it to malfunction? (blows up in your hand)

Remember Napster, lots of poor quality files and corrupt files.

Them: The average 3D printer hobbyist is an order of magnitude more intelligent than some pothead pirating beats on Napster. Most of us built our 3D printers from kits and setup the beds and programming ourselves.

Something as simple as a gun part would be difficult to hide or miss an intentional or accidental flaw.


LeglizHemp - 8/2/2018 at 01:11 AM

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Muleman1994 - 8/6/2018 at 11:42 PM

The laws have never kept up with technology.

The social media companies practice censorship and are happy to take money from Russia in an attempt to effect elections. It did not work but they got paid so it is all good.
The social media companies response: Oh, really? We will see what we can do...


BrerRabbit - 8/7/2018 at 04:59 AM

What's the point of an AR-15 that can only fire one shot?


LeglizHemp - 8/8/2018 at 02:05 PM

https://www.salon.com/2018/08/08/from-gun-kits-to-3d-printable-guns-a-short -history-of-rogue-gun-makers_partner/

"Since the 1980s, anyone can purchase the most lethal of firearms free from all legal restrictions. This has been made possible by small companies, operating on the margins of the gun industry, that sell complete weapons in the form of parts kits.

Gun parts — as opposed to whole guns — are not subject to any of the federal regulations that govern firearms sales. No federal license is necessary to sell gun parts. And no background check is needed to purchase them.

Rogue gun makers


These unregulated guns have been used to kill.

The most notorious case of a mass shooting using a gun assembled from a kit occurred in 1994. That’s when a gunman opened fire on a van full of children on the Brooklyn Bridge, killing one and injuring another. The gunman fired 18 shots in just a few seconds using two semi-automatic pistols assembled from parts kits. The kits were made and sold by a small family business owned by Sylvia and Wayne Daniels.


The S.W. Daniels company manufactured and sold mail-order parts kits to avoid federal regulations. As parts sellers, they needed no federal license to sell firearms.

The company took orders over the phone. Buyers provided only credit card information and a mailing address. The company gave discounts for bulk purchases and kept no sales records.

Federal law requires that a gun’s receiver — the frame that holds the other components — be inscribed with a serial number. To avoid this requirement, the company sold a flat piece of sheet metal instead of a receiver in each kit, with instructions on how to fold the sheet metal to serve as a receiver.

The weapon sold by the Daniels was the Cobray M-11/9, a popular firearm among urban gangs in the 1980s and 1990s. The company’s advertising touted it as “The Gun that Made the 80s Roar” and boasted of is popularity among “Drug Lords.” Between 1993 and 1998, more than 3,000 Cobray M-11/9 pistols were recovered in crime investigations and traced back to the company.


In a civil lawsuit against the company by families of the Brooklyn Bridge shooting victims, Wayne and Sylvia Daniels testified that they did not care who purchased their gun kits. A jury found them negligent. In the end, they were not held liable because the gun passed through many owners between the sale and the shooting.

Today, gun kit sellers are reportedly doing a brisk business. They allow quick access to a wide variety of guns for people who cannot legally purchase a firearm under federal law. Online instructional videos and internet sales have been a major boost to the industry. Because gun kit manufacturers are unlicensed and they are not required to keep production or sales records, there is no way to count how many guns they sell."


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