Thread: OMG Kennedy is Retiring!

LeglizHemp - 6/27/2018 at 06:35 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/27/politics/anthony-kennedy-retires/index.html

God Save us All


nebish - 6/27/2018 at 07:13 PM

Wow, surprising timing. He apparently doesn't mind Trump appointing his replacement? That is normally the thinking right, that they choose when to retire based upon who is in office at the time? Maybe they do not think like that so much and just look at their situation in life. These people do great public work and need to enjoy their lives and families.

How much longer can Ginsburg stay?


BoytonBrother - 6/27/2018 at 08:07 PM

I’m not concerned about this. Anyone who can be considered as a Supreme Court judge has to have a proven track record of excellence and fairness. They may decide conservatively, but I have full confidence that they have the best interests of the US at heart, unlike the President.


LeglizHemp - 6/27/2018 at 08:57 PM

all it takes is a case and one swing vote to overturn Roe.
or marriage equality
or environmental law


but ok


MartinD28 - 6/27/2018 at 09:25 PM

quote:
all it takes is a case and one swing vote to overturn Roe.
or marriage equality
or environmental law


but ok


X2

You are so right, and don't be surprised to see how far right a whack job president and a poodle Congress (see conservative writer George Will) will be willing to take this country backwards.


porkchopbob - 6/27/2018 at 11:42 PM

Kennedy was appointed by Reagan in the final year of his 2nd term after his first nomination, Robert Bork, failed approval by the Senate. My how times have changed.


OriginalGoober - 6/27/2018 at 11:47 PM

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I’m not concerned about this. Anyone who can be considered as a Supreme Court judge has to have a proven track record of excellence and fairness. They may decide conservatively, but I have full confidence that they have the best interests of the US at heart, unlike the President.


Wow, look at Mister Confidence/Compromise here on this... So fair and rational thats encouraging. As long as the Constitution is followed as written, and not as interpreted, I will be happy with the nominee.


OriginalGoober - 6/28/2018 at 12:04 AM



Liberals, we will be locking up the Senate now as well. This extra motivation is going to turn into a several seat advantage. MAGA!


nebish - 6/28/2018 at 12:55 AM

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I’m not concerned about this. Anyone who can be considered as a Supreme Court judge has to have a proven track record of excellence and fairness. They may decide conservatively, but I have full confidence that they have the best interests of the US at heart, unlike the President.


Wow, look at Mister Confidence/Compromise here on this... So fair and rational thats encouraging. As long as the Constitution is followed as written, and not as interpreted, I will be happy with the nominee.


Interesting that you should say this Goob... since you do not think the Constitution should be applied as written to illegal aliens with regard to the 5th and 6th amendments?


OriginalGoober - 6/28/2018 at 01:12 AM


The Constitution applies to Citizens so what does this have to do with illegals? My point being I am a Constitutional originalist and not someone who wants to re-write it to todays standards.


nebish - 6/28/2018 at 01:18 AM

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The Constitution applies to Citizens so what does this have to do with illegals? My point being I am a Constitutional originalist and not someone who wants to re-write it to todays standards.


Where does it say in the 5th or 6th that it applies only to citizens?



OriginalGoober - 6/28/2018 at 01:28 AM

Where does it say that it applies equally to non-citizens?


nebish - 6/28/2018 at 01:33 AM

I'm not purposefully being a dick, I am just trying to show that everything is interpreted so somebody, a Republican appointee or a Democrat appointee, knows how to apply the law.

You are interpreting right now, incorrectly.

The 5th and 6th do not always have to apply for illegal aliens because of the expedited removal authority dating back 20+ years. But when expedited removal can't apply, "people" not citizens are entitled to rights if on US soil.

It is why I have ardently been against bringing enemy combatants and those captured off the battlefield to US prisons, because if they are in the US they have legal protections they shouldn't otherwise have as an enemy of the US from abroad.

Just seeing how you would answer. Everything must be interpreted, nothing can ever be exclusively at face value. If you aren't careful you could be accused of "re-writing it" to fit your standards.


2112 - 6/28/2018 at 01:56 AM

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I'm not purposefully being a dick, I am just trying to show that everything is interpreted so somebody, a Republican appointee or a Democrat appointee, knows how to apply the law.

You are interpreting right now, incorrectly.

The 5th and 6th do not always have to apply for illegal aliens because of the expedited removal authority dating back 20+ years. But when expedited removal can't apply, "people" not citizens are entitled to rights if on US soil.

It is why I have ardently been against bringing enemy combatants and those captured off the battlefield to US prisons, because if they are in the US they have legal protections they shouldn't otherwise have as an enemy of the US from abroad.

Just seeing how you would answer. Everything must be interpreted, nothing can ever be exclusively at face value. If you aren't careful you could be accused of "re-writing it" to fit your standards.



Exactly. Seems like everyone who likes to say they want the constitution followed has major issues with the First Ammendment. They are the first to complain about free speech (kneeling, flags, etc), unfair press, freedom of religion (for any religion except the one they follow), etc.

The same people who complained when Obama started to issue Executive Orders saying it was unconstitutional nevery say anything about Trump issuing them at a greater rate than Obama ever did.

I find it completely amazing and hypocritical to the extreme.


BrerRabbit - 6/28/2018 at 03:12 AM

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Wow, look at Mister Confidence/Compromise here on this... So fair and rational thats encouraging.


Wow, look at Mister Never Compromised Once here. So inflexible and irrational that's discouraging.

You, your pal Mule and your little ultraright cheerleading squad here have never said one thing in support of or even remotely praising anything other than extreme right wing views, policies, and politicians.

If you find fairness and compromise so encouraging, why don't you try it some time?


2112 - 6/28/2018 at 04:08 AM

Even though I have zero confidence in Trump, I'll wait to see who he appoints before complaining.


BoytonBrother - 6/28/2018 at 12:51 PM

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Wow, look at Mister Confidence/Compromise here on this... So fair and rational thats encouraging. As long as the Constitution is followed as written, and not as interpreted, I will be happy with the nominee.


Thank you for agreeing that Trump doesn’t have the best interests of the US at heart. It would be rational and encouraging to have a President that puts the country first and not his personal social benefits. Based on his constant bashing of the US and praise for foreign dicatorships, and his treatment of the Office as a reality show, a vote for Trump is borderline treason IMO. Use common sense instead of reacting emotionally by supporting this disgrace.


BoytonBrother - 6/28/2018 at 04:16 PM

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As long as the Constitution is followed as written, and not as interpreted, I will be happy with the nominee.


This shows that you have zero knowledge of how the judicial system is intended to work. The sole purpose of having lawyers and judges is for them to interpret the written law, because the nature of our laws are inherently open to interpretation, hence the reason our Supreme Court judges always decide differently.


PhotoRon286 - 6/30/2018 at 01:29 AM

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As long as the Constitution is followed as written, and not as interpreted, I will be happy with the nominee.


This shows that you have zero knowledge of how the judicial system is intended to work. The sole purpose of having lawyers and judges is for them to interpret the written law, because the nature of our laws are inherently open to interpretation, hence the reason our Supreme Court judges always decide differently.


Noone ever accused goober of being a deep thinker.


PhotoRon286 - 6/30/2018 at 01:31 AM

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a21999314/anthony-kennedy-so n-donald-trump-deutche-bank/


Talk About 'The Appearance of Corruption'
Anthony Kennedy and Donald Trump had a special relationship.


BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
JUN 29, 2018


“Wait. What?”

Or, more simply, “Wut?”

So let me begin by saying, “WTF? Wait. Wut?” From The New York Times:

One person who knows both men remarked on the affinity between Mr. Trump and Justice Kennedy, which is not obvious at first glance. Justice Kennedy is bookish and abstract, while Mr. Trump is earthy and direct. But they had a connection, one Mr. Trump was quick to note in the moments after his first address to Congress in February 2017. As he made his way out of the chamber, Mr. Trump paused to chat with the justice. “Say hello to your boy,” Mr. Trump said. “Special guy.”


Mr. Trump was apparently referring to Justice Kennedy’s son, Justin. The younger Mr. Kennedy spent more than a decade at Deutsche Bank, eventually rising to become the bank’s global head of real estate capital markets, and he worked closely with Mr. Trump when he was a real estate developer, according to two people with knowledge of his role. During Mr. Kennedy’s tenure, Deutsche Bank became Mr. Trump’s most important lender, dispensing well over $1 billion in loans to him for the renovation and construction of skyscrapers in New York and Chicago at a time other mainstream banks were wary of doing business with him because of his troubled business history.
Am I just naïve, or did I have a good reason for the way I just bounced my head off the wall?




Trump to Justice Kennedy: "That's very nice coming from you. And say hello to your boy, special guy."
Kennedy: "Your kids have been very nice to him."
Trump: "They love him, and they love him in New York. He's a great guy."

In truth, though, this gives me the best reason I ever had to print again one of Associate Justice Anthony Kennedy’s greatest hits.

We now conclude that independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption. …The fact that speakers [i.e., donors] may have influence over or access to elected officials does not mean that these officials are corrupt. … The appearance of influence or access, furthermore, will not cause the electorate to lose faith in our democracy.
Of course, it won’t.

Say hello to your boy. I hear he’s a special guy.


Too many coincidences here.

[Edited on 6/30/2018 by PhotoRon286]


sckeys - 6/30/2018 at 03:07 AM

It’s sad ain’t it. Swampy.


dutchoneill - 6/30/2018 at 04:58 PM

Hope its a a woman.


MartinD28 - 6/30/2018 at 09:53 PM

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Hope its a a woman.


If it's a woman nominated by Trump, she will be no doubt be against a woman's right to choose.

Regardless of what potential justices say in front of Congress when being questioned on their views, they vote their ideology when making SC decisons.


OriginalGoober - 7/3/2018 at 01:09 AM

Looks like there will be an announcement on Monday already.


IPowrie - 7/4/2018 at 01:47 PM

Hopefully the Democrats block it and Jeff Flake keeps his word to block all Trump judicial nominees


OriginalGoober - 7/10/2018 at 01:06 AM

They are all ready protesting even though there is no pick yet


OriginalGoober - 7/10/2018 at 01:12 AM

Honorable Brett kavanauh


pops42 - 7/10/2018 at 01:33 AM

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Honorable Brett kavanauh
And you can't spell his name!


jkeller - 7/10/2018 at 01:36 AM

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They are all ready protesting even though there is no pick yet


It is simple, goob. So simple that you should even understand it. The legality of the election is in question. Trump is under investigation for crimes that could eventually be heard by SCOTUS. The illegitimate president should not pick the judges that may decide his fate. Do you understand?


sckeys - 7/10/2018 at 01:53 AM

It looks like Dems will lose this one.


LeglizHemp - 7/10/2018 at 01:55 AM

The 1st words from Brett Kavanaugh



Brett Kavanaugh: Mr. President, thank you. Throughout this process, I have witnessed firsthand your appreciation for the vital role of the American judiciary.

No president has ever consulted more widely or talked with more people from more backgrounds to seek input about a supreme court nomination. Mr. President, I am grateful to you, and I’m humbled by your confidence in me.


MartinD28 - 7/10/2018 at 12:07 PM

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The 1st words from Brett Kavanaugh



Brett Kavanaugh: Mr. President, thank you. Throughout this process, I have witnessed firsthand your appreciation for the vital role of the American judiciary.

No president has ever consulted more widely or talked with more people from more backgrounds to seek input about a supreme court nomination. Mr. President, I am grateful to you, and I’m humbled by your confidence in me.


Having experienced how Trump, the autocrat wannabe, has spoken over the last few years, it makes one wonder about the conversations behind closed doors with Trump & nominee. We know Trump loves loyalty, and this would certainly be the time to call in a favor.


nebish - 7/10/2018 at 12:41 PM

I found these emails in my inbox this morning sent within 10 minutes of each other. A little comical to see them back-to-back.

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Bernie Sanders

Scott -

The establishment would like for you to think that the Supreme Court is an impartial judicial institution whose decisions are above politics. That was perhaps once true, but it is certainly not the case anymore.

Donald Trump just announced that he will nominate Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. Let me be absolutely clear: this nomination is a 100 percent political decision, and one that will have a profoundly negative effect on the lives of working people of this country for decades to come if Brett Kavanaugh is confirmed.

Brett Kavanaugh’s record has made it clear he will use his position on the court to protect corporations at the expense of workers, to allow corporations and the wealthy to buy elections and to undermine voting rights. Further, given the fact that Donald Trump stated repeatedly during the campaign that any nominee of his would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade, I have no doubt that is exactly what Brett Kavanaugh will do.

Simply put, nothing is more important now than doing everything in our power to stop this nomination. I intend to travel to many states around the country in opposition to this nomination. Can I count on you to work with me in this fight?

Please add your name to my petition: We must oppose Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court. This is critical to protect our democracy, so please sign now.

Here is a hard truth: for decades the far right has made it their number one goal to stack the Supreme Court with partisan ideologues. During that time, the current court has made dozens of decisions, many of them by a 5-4 vote, that have harmed women’s rights, the environment and most recently the Janus decision, which was an attack on union rights and the standard of living of American workers.

Further, the Supreme Court has eroded voting rights, upheld Trump’s Muslim ban, and of course, by a 5-4 vote, decided Citizens United, empowering corporations and wealthy Americans to buy elections.

And it is widely suspected that a hyper-partisan Supreme Court, with Trump’s new nominee, would aim its sights directly at overturning Roe v. Wade. We can’t let this happen.

Donald Trump’s first nomination, Neil Gorsuch, has quickly become one of the most radical right-wing members of the court. The evidence suggests Brett Kavanaugh could go even further.

The damage Brett Kavanaugh could do won’t just last until the next election. He could serve on the Court for decades, making dangerous decisions for years to come.

Together we must do everything we can to win back the House, the Senate and the presidency to stop further disastrous nominees. But right now, we must do everything we can to stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.

That starts with you adding your name to our petition.

Add your name to our petition to oppose the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. Let us protect our democracy.

This will be a long fight, and I’m proud to have you with me.

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders

ADD YOUR NAME

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(not the billionaires)

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quote:

Trump Pence Make America Great Again


Friend,

I promised you I would only appoint justices in the mold of the late, great Justice Antonin Scalia.

Today, I am once again fulfilling that promise by appointing a strong constitutionalist, the Honorable Brett M. Kavanaugh, to the Supreme Court.

Judge Kavanaugh will protect our religious liberties, uphold the rule of law, and interpret the Constitution as it was originally understood by our Founders.

Senate liberals know that we have the opportunity to reshape the Supreme Court for an entire GENERATION, and they are ready to obstruct and unleash a smear campaign against our nominee.

Just like during Justice Gorsuch’s confirmation hearings, we need to remind Democrats to stop playing politics and to put America FIRST.

Please sign our official petition telling the Liberal OBSTRUCTIONISTS to confirm Judge Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.

This is what we’re up against:


(Washington Free Beacon, 6/27/18)


(Washington Times, 6/28/18)

We must stand strong against the dirty tactics coming our way. The fate of the Supreme Court -- and our Constitution -- hangs in the balance, and the Democrats will NOT give up easily.

Sign our official petition telling Liberal obstructionists to confirm Judge Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court NOW.

Thank you,

President Trump signature headshot
Donald J. Trump
President of the United States


2112 - 7/12/2018 at 01:30 AM

Once upon a time judges were only confirmed based on qualifications, and not stances on issues. That is really the way it should be.

But when you have a senate who won't even bring a qualified candidate up for a vote because there is an election 8 months away, then you really can't be serious to expect obstruction the other way.

I wonder if it will ever be possible to return to the old days? Probably not. MAGA is just a slogan with absolutely no substance behind it.


nebish - 7/13/2018 at 02:57 AM

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Once upon a time judges were only confirmed based on qualifications, and not stances on issues. That is really the way it should be.

But when you have a senate who won't even bring a qualified candidate up for a vote because there is an election 8 months away, then you really can't be serious to expect obstruction the other way.

I wonder if it will ever be possible to return to the old days? Probably not. MAGA is just a slogan with absolutely no substance behind it.


Merrick Garland should have gotten a vote, no if ans or buts about it. President Obama nearly had a full year left on his term in office when Scalia died.

But we know that isn't when the court became politicized. It's been coming for a long time, it just has reached a boiling point now.

You know, sometimes I think back, to those old days, when qualifications mattered more than politics and we had give-and-take and compromise, those times before the internet, and twitter and supercharged political talk shows...as we become more engaged and more active as a society, it makes the people sent to Washington to do the work more self conscious of what they do because now more people are watching and more people care and more people will call you out if you don't do what they want. So this divide, this gridlock is just as much about our political activism as it is their unwillingness to put aside party and politics and do what is right.

I don't know. You read my posts on this you know I've said it before. We are just not in a good place right now politically and nothing we are dealing with now started overnight (or 2016 election for that matter). We are all really just our own worst enemies, many of us put ideology and party first, it is no surprise that the representatives we send to Washington are ultra partisan as well.

[Edited on 7/13/2018 by nebish]


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