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porkchopbob - 5/17/2018 at 12:50 PM

What surprises me is this was in NYC, where you hear thousands of U.S. citizens speaking different languages all day every day - Spanish in Bushwick, pidgin in Flatbush, Chinese in Flushing, Korean in Sunset Park, Arabic in Bay Ridge, German in Glendale, Polish in Greenpoint, Russian in Brighton Beach, French in Cobble Hill, Italian in Carrol Gardens, Hindi in Jackson Heights, Yiddish in old Williamsburg, etc. Is he really going to make calls on all of these people? The man was identified as a lawyer with offices near by the incident, and his firm's reviews have since taken a dive. Hopefully this guy doesn't vacation in Miami, he'll lose his mind.

[Edited on 5/17/2018 by porkchopbob]


porkchopbob - 5/17/2018 at 01:09 PM

And there have always been people demanding immigrants speak English, that's not unique to Trump - the empowered ICE threats towards people who are legally here are what is abhorrent. Years ago, I was at a diner in Brooklyn and a guy with a "Welcome to America, now speak ENGLISH" shirt walks in to pick up his take out while orders in Greek and Spanish can be heard from the kitchen. He's lucky his food was boxed and ready when he got there.

[Edited on 5/17/2018 by porkchopbob]


BoytonBrother - 5/17/2018 at 01:36 PM

If he’s triggered that easily, he’s going to have a hard time finding peace in his life. Spanish ain’t going anywhere ever.


Bhawk - 5/17/2018 at 02:22 PM

I've never understood why there hasn't been a conservative movement to make English the Official Language.


blueskyJohnson - 5/17/2018 at 02:37 PM



[Edited on 5/17/2018 by blueskyJohnson]


StratDal - 5/17/2018 at 03:42 PM

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If he’s triggered that easily, he’s going to have a hard time finding peace in his life. Spanish ain’t going anywhere ever.


+1

I remember having a conversation with my m-i-l about this. She was complaining about advertising using Spanish. I told her it's free enterprise and companies have the right to market to customers. I said there are plenty of places to shop too.

I don't like bilingual government related documents (DMV, voting etc.) but it's the world we live in now especially out west. You know what, we'll live.


porkchopbob - 5/17/2018 at 04:02 PM

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I don't like bilingual government related documents (DMV, voting etc.) but it's the world we live in now especially out west. You know what, we'll live.


It's never really bothered me, it's no different than products sold in different countries that have multiple languages on the directions - just flip to the applicable version. But considering there are more countries with more than one language commonly spoken (Belgium, Canada, India, Ireland, South Africa, Spain, Israel, Switzerland, most of eastern Europe, most of southeast Asia and the Middle East, just to name a few), people in the United States should either get over it or educate themselves.


2112 - 5/17/2018 at 07:59 PM

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I've never understood why there hasn't been a conservative movement to make English the Official Language.


Most of them seem to think it already is, just like most of them seem to think the US is a Christian nation.


adhill58 - 5/18/2018 at 07:57 PM

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I've never understood why there hasn't been a conservative movement to make English the Official Language.


One of the tools that was running for this year's Republican nomination for Senate in Indiana, Congressman Todd Rokita, had TV ads that threw in a line about the official language. The ads mostly said that he would lick Trump's boots or anything else Trump might want licked. Luckily, he lost the primary.


Muleman1994 - 5/18/2018 at 09:31 PM

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I've never understood why there hasn't been a conservative movement to make English the Official Language.



So many immigrants only speak their native language and therefore have difficulty advancing in the workforce.

In the schools the Spanish taught is Castilian or the dialect of Spanish as spoken in Spain. Knowing how to communicate in Castilian won’t do you well at the Taco truck.

Often if you need to speak to someone that does not speak English talking to their children helps.

The English as the national language spiel is a political tool and useless.

If everyone was able to speak English, they would do much better professionally.


2112 - 5/18/2018 at 09:36 PM

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If everyone was able to speak English, they would do much better professionally.



I don't know man. Trump struggles with English, and he got elected president.


Muleman1994 - 5/19/2018 at 02:06 AM

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quote:
If everyone was able to speak English, they would do much better professionally.



I don't know man. Trump struggles with English, and he got elected president.



President Trump speaks like many from NYC.
Direct and without apology.


adhill58 - 5/19/2018 at 02:40 AM

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President Trump speaks like many from NYC.
Direct and without apology.




Trump speaks like an uneducated idiot (Rex Tillerson's word, not mine). How about how Bill Gates had to explain what HIV and HPV were to Trump at a White House health summit? Trump can't even do homework before an event in order to not embarrass himself in front of someone who is actually smart and actually a successful businessman.


BrerRabbit - 5/19/2018 at 02:57 AM

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Knowing how to communicate in Castilian won’t do you well at the Taco truck.


Spanish speaking people worldwide can understand each other just fine. What you are referring to is about the equivalent of American English vs Brit English, some words different, but overall it's the same.

You would have no problem at the Taco Truck with Castillan spanish.


The_Newt - 5/19/2018 at 09:42 PM

quote:
quote:
I've never understood why there hasn't been a conservative movement to make English the Official Language.



So many immigrants only speak their native language and therefore have difficulty advancing in the workforce.

In the schools the Spanish taught is Castilian or the dialect of Spanish as spoken in Spain. Knowing how to communicate in Castilian won’t do you well at the Taco truck.

Often if you need to speak to someone that does not speak English talking to their children helps.

The English as the national language spiel is a political tool and useless.

If everyone was able to speak English, they would do much better professionally.




I speak can read, write and understand multiple dialects of Spanish from Castellano, castellano rioplatense, Mexicano from ciudad de mexico distrito federal which is very clear, español puertorriqueño, as well as English, standard Italian and napulitano, Portuguese, and some French (I use a Parisian accent that's clear and well understood, I do not speak that horrible backwards dialect known as Quebecois), and Hochdeutsch or Standarddeutsch. When I have bought food at Mexican or Central American restaurants the native Spanish speakers working there understand me perfectly when I speak Spanish.



[Edited on 5/20/2018 by The_Newt]


MartinD28 - 5/19/2018 at 10:32 PM

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President Trump speaks like many from NYC.
Direct and without apology.




Trump speaks like an uneducated idiot (Rex Tillerson's word, not mine). How about how Bill Gates had to explain what HIV and HPV were to Trump at a White House health summit? Trump can't even do homework before an event in order to not embarrass himself in front of someone who is actually smart and actually a successful businessman.


When Trump is talking off script or teleprompter, he is at his worst which = his normal. He does not sound like someone prepared in subject matter. On the recent Iranian Deal Break, one of the top intel analysts stated that Trump can probably speak to less than 5 lines of what's in the deal.

Where Trump excels is in giving campaign rallies. Here he is at home where he usually speaks to an audience that knows even less than he does and who is more interested in anger and bombastic rhetoric.


BrerRabbit - 5/20/2018 at 12:56 PM

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I speak can read, write and understand multiple dialects of Spanish from Castellano, castellano rioplatense, Mexicano from ciudad de mexico distrito federal which is very clear, español puertorriqueño, as well as English, standard Italian and napulitano, Portuguese, and some French (I use a Parisian accent that's clear and well understood, I do not speak that horrible backwards dialect known as Quebecois), and Hochdeutsch or Standarddeutsch. When I have bought food at Mexican or Central American restaurants the native Spanish speakers working there understand me perfectly when I speak Spanish.


Wow! Your wife must love you, you're a cunning linguist.

Seriously though, Mule's point was that Spanish is worthless other than to place an order at the Taco Truck, since Taco Trucks are all that Mexicans are capable of, or ought to aspire to in the USA. And decent Americans will never interface with Mexican culture other than at the Taco Truck. Never mind that I have never had any trouble ordering Mexican food in English, even at the Taco Truck.

Personally I envy your Spanish, I have always regretted not being able to read Cervantes' Don Quixote in the original. The finest novel ever written.


BrerRabbit - 5/20/2018 at 01:46 PM

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If everyone was able to speak English, they would do much better professionally.


This is common knowledge among immigrants. English as a second language classes are in high demand.


gina - 5/26/2018 at 08:23 PM

How about people can speak whatever language they want to in their homes with their families, in their neighborhoods, but they should NOT EXPECT this country to bow down and make everything in Spanish and English. That's point number one.

Point Number two - regarding the gang violence specifically MS-13 problem.

1) Outlaw gangs because they operate while conducting illegal enterprises.

2) Make being in a gang a DEPORTABLE offense. If someone gets caught committing a crime and has the MS 13 tattoos indicating they are in that gang, no whiny cry-baby ACLU lawyers, no waste of taxpayer money on a trial, JUST DEPORT THEM.

3) Even if they DID NOT commit a crime, if a cop patrolling his area (tour of duty) sees anyone with gang symbols tattooed on their body, a special task force (Swat team trained) will be contacted to pick up the person and take them to a holding facility until they can be deported. NO LAWYERS, NO B.S. OUT THEY GO.

WHY NOT? What positive things do they bring to this country?



Sang - 5/26/2018 at 09:21 PM

So, are we talking Italian mob gangs? Irish gangs? Russian gangs? Nazi (or white power) gangs? Or just brown people gangs?


jkeller - 5/26/2018 at 09:27 PM

quote:
How about people can speak whatever language they want to in their homes with their families, in their neighborhoods, but they should NOT EXPECT this country to bow down and make everything in Spanish and English. That's point number one.

Point Number two - regarding the gang violence specifically MS-13 problem.

1) Outlaw gangs because they operate while conducting illegal enterprises.

2) Make being in a gang a DEPORTABLE offense. If someone gets caught committing a crime and has the MS 13 tattoos indicating they are in that gang, no whiny cry-baby ACLU lawyers, no waste of taxpayer money on a trial, JUST DEPORT THEM.

3) Even if they DID NOT commit a crime, if a cop patrolling his area (tour of duty) sees anyone with gang symbols tattooed on their body, a special task force (Swat team trained) will be contacted to pick up the person and take them to a holding facility until they can be deported. NO LAWYERS, NO B.S. OUT THEY GO.

WHY NOT? What positive things do they bring to this country?





Most gang members are US citizens. Where do you deport them to?

Being in a gang is not, in of itself, illegal.


2112 - 5/26/2018 at 09:45 PM

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So, are we talking Italian mob gangs? Irish gangs? Russian gangs? Nazi (or white power) gangs? Or just brown people gangs?


Can we deport orange people too?


2112 - 5/26/2018 at 09:48 PM

quote:
How about people can speak whatever language they want to in their homes with their families, in their neighborhoods, but they should NOT EXPECT this country to bow down and make everything in Spanish and English. That's point number one.

Point Number two - regarding the gang violence specifically MS-13 problem.

1) Outlaw gangs because they operate while conducting illegal enterprises.

2) Make being in a gang a DEPORTABLE offense. If someone gets caught committing a crime and has the MS 13 tattoos indicating they are in that gang, no whiny cry-baby ACLU lawyers, no waste of taxpayer money on a trial, JUST DEPORT THEM.

3) Even if they DID NOT commit a crime, if a cop patrolling his area (tour of duty) sees anyone with gang symbols tattooed on their body, a special task force (Swat team trained) will be contacted to pick up the person and take them to a holding facility until they can be deported. NO LAWYERS, NO B.S. OUT THEY GO.

WHY NOT? What positive things do they bring to this country?





So you hate the constitution? Why is it that all of the Trump loving right-wingers claim to love the constitution, and then they propose something like this that is beyond unconstitutional?


BoytonBrother - 5/26/2018 at 10:52 PM

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but they should NOT EXPECT this country to bow down and make everything in Spanish and English. That's point number one.


Hearing Spanish makes you feel like you are bowing down? LOL, how silly.

quote:
1) Outlaw gangs because they operate while conducting illegal enterprises.


I agree! Illegal enterprises should now be illegal! Whoever made those illegal enterprises legal were wrong!

quote:
NO LAWYERS, NO B.S. OUT THEY GO.

WHY NOT?


Because the United States doesn't operate that way. Are you dissatisfied with due process?

quote:
What positive things do they bring to this country?


Cheap labor for right-wing and left-wing business owners, who can't find Americans to do that type of work. One of the dumbest things about Republicans is that they want to get rid of the undocumented workers, which would hurt so many business owners, who typically are among the right.



[Edited on 5/26/2018 by BoytonBrother]


MartinD28 - 5/26/2018 at 11:11 PM

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Cheap labor for right-wing and left-wing business owners, who can't find Americans to do that type of work. One of the dumbest things about Republicans is that they want to get rid of the undocumented workers, which would hurt so many business owners, who typically are among the right.



I wonder how many of these are working at the orange guy's Mar A Lago or many other businesses.


PhotoRon286 - 5/27/2018 at 10:46 PM

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quote:
I don't like bilingual government related documents (DMV, voting etc.) but it's the world we live in now especially out west. You know what, we'll live.


It's never really bothered me, it's no different than products sold in different countries that have multiple languages on the directions - just flip to the applicable version. But considering there are more countries with more than one language commonly spoken (Belgium, Canada, India, Ireland, South Africa, Spain, Israel, Switzerland, most of eastern Europe, most of southeast Asia and the Middle East, just to name a few), people in the United States should either get over it or educate themselves.




Spot on.


BoytonBrother - 6/3/2018 at 02:31 PM

"It is highly unusual and extraordinarily unsettling that the lawyer(s) representing the president of the United States would send an official memorandum to a special counsel of DOJ alleging that leadership of the FBI and DOJ is/was corrupt," Cohen told ABC News. "This type of communique has only one purpose and that is to undermine the credibility of those investigating Russia's efforts to engage in an ongoing attack against the U.S. While it may advance the president's political and legal strategy, I fear that it plays into Russia's efforts, which seek to weaken America by undermining the credibility of our national security and law enforcement institutions."


History will define a vote for Trump in 2020 as an attack on America by its own people.


lukester420 - 6/3/2018 at 11:47 PM

What’s funny to me is that half of the “speak English or get out” people are completely useless uneducated people who would be dead or in jail in any other country in the world, but hey that’s our fürher in chief’s base. Notice how he’s desperately trying to silence any media personality that calls him out on his bigotry, this presidency is getting uglier and uglier


BoytonBrother - 6/4/2018 at 02:47 PM

They will vote for treason against America in order to retaliate against Democrats for their role in electing a black President, all while hiding like cowards behind the “economy” excuse, as if they are financial and economic experts. Once he is gone in a few years, they will hide and lie about their support out of shame.


Muleman1994 - 6/4/2018 at 03:14 PM

Isn’t that cute.

- No act of treason has been committed by Candidate/President Trump.
- The left voted for Obama because of the color of his skin and not for any plan he offered because he never offered any plan. That “hope and change” crap is not a plan. Obama did turn out to be corrupt and the worst President of the modern era according to the American people.
- You see the rocking American economy as an excuse to hide behind. We the People see the U.S. economy as great and a direct result of the leadership of President Trump.
- Great Leadership has returned to our country and the people are loving it.

Yea, The Trump Effect is an economy better than it has been in decades, strong leadership both at home and in foreign policy and the opposition party is left hiding and crying in their little safe-spaces.



BoytonBrother - 6/4/2018 at 03:17 PM

Says economist Muleman1994, lol.


Muleman1994 - 6/4/2018 at 03:26 PM

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Says economist Muleman1994, lol.



Says the American People.


BoytonBrother - 6/4/2018 at 04:04 PM

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the opposition party is left hiding and crying in their little safe-spaces.


In all seriousness for a change, why do you feel liberals need safe spaces if they live in the most dangerous cities like Philadelphia and Chicago?


Sang - 6/4/2018 at 04:28 PM

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Obama did turn out to be corrupt and the worst President of the modern era according to the American people.





No indictments, no scandals. Compare that to the current liar in chief.... Like always here, just because you say something over and over and over doesn't make it true..... LOL


Muleman1994 - 6/4/2018 at 04:48 PM

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Obama did turn out to be corrupt and the worst President of the modern era according to the American people.





No indictments, no scandals. Compare that to the current liar in chief.... Like always here, just because you say something over and over and over doesn't make it true..... LOL




You should try to reconnect with reality.


Just for one example, Obama's AG Holder was the first U.S. Attorney General to be convicted of lying under oath.


BoytonBrother - 6/4/2018 at 05:07 PM

Meant to say Trump “associates”, which puts it over 20 along with the Russians.


lukester420 - 6/4/2018 at 09:47 PM

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Isn’t that cute.

- No act of treason has been committed by Candidate/President Trump.
- The left voted for Obama because of the color of his skin and not for any plan he offered because he never offered any plan. That “hope and change” crap is not a plan. Obama did turn out to be corrupt and the worst President of the modern era according to the American people.
- You see the rocking American economy as an excuse to hide behind. We the People see the U.S. economy as great and a direct result of the leadership of President Trump.
- Great Leadership has returned to our country and the people are loving it.

Yea, The Trump Effect is an economy better than it has been in decades, strong leadership both at home and in foreign policy and the opposition party is left hiding and crying in their little safe-spaces.





^^^^^
Exhibit A

quote:
funny to me is that half of the “speak English or get out” people are completely useless uneducated people who would be dead or in jail in any other country in the world, but hey that’s our fürher in chief’s base. Notice how he’s desperately trying to silence any media personality that calls him out on his bigotry, this presidency is getting uglier and uglier


Muleman1994 - 6/6/2018 at 08:55 PM

quote:
quote:
Isn’t that cute.

- No act of treason has been committed by Candidate/President Trump.
- The left voted for Obama because of the color of his skin and not for any plan he offered because he never offered any plan. That “hope and change” crap is not a plan. Obama did turn out to be corrupt and the worst President of the modern era according to the American people.
- You see the rocking American economy as an excuse to hide behind. We the People see the U.S. economy as great and a direct result of the leadership of President Trump.
- Great Leadership has returned to our country and the people are loving it.

Yea, The Trump Effect is an economy better than it has been in decades, strong leadership both at home and in foreign policy and the opposition party is left hiding and crying in their little safe-spaces.





^^^^^
Exhibit A

quote:
funny to me is that half of the “speak English or get out” people are completely useless uneducated people who would be dead or in jail in any other country in the world, but hey that’s our fürher in chief’s base. Notice how he’s desperately trying to silence any media personality that calls him out on his bigotry, this presidency is getting uglier and uglier




Your type lost the election son, get over it.

The American People kicked the Democrats out of control of The House, then the Senate and they elected a Republican President.







BoytonBrother - 6/6/2018 at 09:27 PM

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Your type lost the election


Democrats lost an election. You voted for a guy who asked Russia to hack and broadcast American emails, leading to over 20 indictments by Mueller. I’d rather lose an election than support treason against the USA.


OriginalGoober - 6/6/2018 at 11:57 PM

Democrats rigged primaries and thwarted other candidate campaigns like Bernies. You bugged campaigns, inserted moles, got fed debate questions, got a full pardon from the FBI, and YOUR CANDIDATE still lost.

Yet you think your party can run the country?


MartinD28 - 6/7/2018 at 12:27 AM

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Democrats rigged primaries and thwarted other candidate campaigns like Bernies. You bugged campaigns, inserted moles, got fed debate questions, got a full pardon from the FBI, and YOUR CANDIDATE still lost.

Yet you think your party can run the country?


How many "Bernies" are we talking about?


BrerRabbit - 6/7/2018 at 01:33 AM

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Your type lost the election son, get over it.


Your type won the election, get over it.


BoytonBrother - 6/7/2018 at 01:47 AM

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Democrats rigged primaries and thwarted other candidate campaigns like Bernies. You bugged campaigns, inserted moles, got fed debate questions, got a full pardon from the FBI, and YOUR CANDIDATE still lost.

Yet you think your party can run the country?


Hillary is awful for what she did to Bernie, and I believe crime was involved, but you know damn well it’s not as bad as asking Russia to hack Americans and interfere with our elections. It’s treason against the USA, and you voted for it. I’m certain you all will be lying and hiding in shame about your support for him in a few years.

As for your conspiracy theories about Obama, neither Bernie nor Trump could hold Obama’s jockstrap at running this country, and you know it, which is why you, Trump, and all the other sheep rage about him so much. Sucks that a black man makes you look stupid and became more successful than you, doesn’t it.


Muleman1994 - 6/8/2018 at 06:10 PM

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Democrats rigged primaries and thwarted other candidate campaigns like Bernies. You bugged campaigns, inserted moles, got fed debate questions, got a full pardon from the FBI, and YOUR CANDIDATE still lost.

Yet you think your party can run the country?


Hillary is awful for what she did to Bernie, and I believe crime was involved, but you know damn well it’s not as bad as asking Russia to hack Americans and interfere with our elections. It’s treason against the USA, and you voted for it. I’m certain you all will be lying and hiding in shame about your support for him in a few years.

As for your conspiracy theories about Obama, neither Bernie nor Trump could hold Obama’s jockstrap at running this country, and you know it, which is why you, Trump, and all the other sheep rage about him so much. Sucks that a black man makes you look stupid and became more successful than you, doesn’t it.



"asking Russia to hack Americans and interfere with our elections"

Never happened and there is no evidence or proof of any kind to support the left's false narrative.
Have you noticed that the corrupt liberal media has stopped talking about Russia Russia Russia?

Again you have nothing.



2112 - 6/8/2018 at 06:30 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Democrats rigged primaries and thwarted other candidate campaigns like Bernies. You bugged campaigns, inserted moles, got fed debate questions, got a full pardon from the FBI, and YOUR CANDIDATE still lost.

Yet you think your party can run the country?


Hillary is awful for what she did to Bernie, and I believe crime was involved, but you know damn well it’s not as bad as asking Russia to hack Americans and interfere with our elections. It’s treason against the USA, and you voted for it. I’m certain you all will be lying and hiding in shame about your support for him in a few years.

As for your conspiracy theories about Obama, neither Bernie nor Trump could hold Obama’s jockstrap at running this country, and you know it, which is why you, Trump, and all the other sheep rage about him so much. Sucks that a black man makes you look stupid and became more successful than you, doesn’t it.



"asking Russia to hack Americans and interfere with our elections"

Never happened and there is no evidence or proof of any kind to support the left's false narrative.
Have you noticed that the corrupt liberal media has stopped talking about Russia Russia Russia?

Again you have nothing.





I guess you missed this Muleski.

https://youtu.be/gNa2B5zHfbQ


lukester420 - 6/8/2018 at 09:43 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Isn’t that cute.

- No act of treason has been committed by Candidate/President Trump.
- The left voted for Obama because of the color of his skin and not for any plan he offered because he never offered any plan. That “hope and change” crap is not a plan. Obama did turn out to be corrupt and the worst President of the modern era according to the American people.
- You see the rocking American economy as an excuse to hide behind. We the People see the U.S. economy as great and a direct result of the leadership of President Trump.
- Great Leadership has returned to our country and the people are loving it.

Yea, The Trump Effect is an economy better than it has been in decades, strong leadership both at home and in foreign policy and the opposition party is left hiding and crying in their little safe-spaces.





^^^^^
Exhibit A

quote:
funny to me is that half of the “speak English or get out” people are completely useless uneducated people who would be dead or in jail in any other country in the world, but hey that’s our fürher in chief’s base. Notice how he’s desperately trying to silence any media personality that calls him out on his bigotry, this presidency is getting uglier and uglier




Your type lost the election son, get over it.

The American People kicked the Democrats out of control of The House, then the Senate and they elected a Republican President.









Hahahahahaha! you think Trump actually cares about the Republican Party? Thanks for proving how stupid and uneducated you truly are. Trump won as a Republican candidate by pandering to inbred, racist mouth breathers like yourself and goober but if you think he cares one iota about the Republican Party and its “Christian” values you are indeed a stupid, stupid human being.

I had no horse in that race so I have nothing to get over, I’m just enjoying watching this idiot crash and burn while his fluffers try to spin it as a success. I’m just hoping he doesn’t completely trash the country. Son


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