Thread: On President Trump’s orders, the U.S. Britain and France strike Syria

Muleman1994 - 4/14/2018 at 01:27 AM

On President Trump’s orders, the U.S. Britain and France strike Syria.

Trump announces U.S. military strikes in Syria
Fox News

Pentagon presents Trump with broad menu of options for Syria

White House weighs military options for U.S. response to suspected chemical weapons attack in Syria; national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin reports from the Pentagon.

President Trump on Friday announced that he has approved military strikes in Syria against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The announcement follows a suspected chemical gas attack from the Assad regime on a rebel-held town near the Syrian capital last weekend.

At least 40 people died in the attack in Douma, about 10 miles east of Damascus, and over 500 people, mostly women and children, were injured and brought to medical centers. The attack occurred amid a resumed offensive by Syrian government forces after the collapse of a truce.

Syrian activists, rescuers and medics said families suffocated in their homes.

A similar chemical attack in Khan Sheikhoun in April 2017 that killed nearly 100 people prompted the U.S. to launch dozens of cruise missiles at a Syrian airfield to dissuade Assad from using chemical weapons in the future, officials said.

But during the weekend, images of dead and sick women and children again circulated following another alleged chemical attack.

This is a developing story; please check back for updates

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/13/trump-announces-u-s-military-strike s-in-syria.html


JimSheridan - 4/14/2018 at 04:44 AM

Much like when Bill Clinton did some bombing to distract from the Lewinsky testimony.


Chain - 4/14/2018 at 11:56 AM

Interesting actions by a President who criticized Obama for doing similar things, and stated he'd never telegraph such a military strike, yet has all week via Twitter. Trump has done, yet again, the very thing he said a few years, he'd never do....

Sort of like stating he now wants to rejoin TPP.....A year ago TTP was supposedly evil incarnate.


Muleman1994 - 4/14/2018 at 03:46 PM

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Interesting actions by a President who criticized Obama for doing similar things, and stated he'd never telegraph such a military strike, yet has all week via Twitter. Trump has done, yet again, the very thing he said a few years, he'd never do....

Sort of like stating he now wants to rejoin TPP.....A year ago TTP was supposedly evil incarnate.



Interesting that you have no clue yet must post the standard left-wing false talking points.

- Obama did not do similar things. Obama ran to the TV cameras and list all the thing he would not do and would say exactly when he would cut and run.

- President Trump did not telegraph such a military strike and of course you did not define “such”.

- “the very thing he said a few years, he'd never do....” word salad that means nothing.

- The TTP has nothing to do with this thread and you again fail to mention President Trump’s clearly stated changes required.

Where Obama repeatedly failed, President Trump has stood strong and kicked the Dictator Assad a$$ and by direct association, Putin.

Chemical attacks against innocent civilians including women and children is not acceptable and violation of international Law.

President Trump, The Leader of the free world, decisively met his obligations.


Muleman1994 - 4/14/2018 at 09:09 PM

Mission Accomplished!

President Trump is receiving accolades and support from around the world for his decisive action and leadership.

It is another great day to be an American.



dutchoneill - 4/14/2018 at 09:35 PM

id rather see us stand up for the civilians including children that we're subject to the chemical attack.


Muleman1994 - 4/14/2018 at 10:14 PM

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id rather see us stand up for the civilians including children that we're subject to the chemical attack.




Unfortunately, no one has ever been able to negotiate or reason with the immoral.
Since time began there has been only one way to stop evil.




funkyfitter - 4/15/2018 at 12:24 AM





Unfortunately, no one has ever been able to negotiate or reason with the immoral.
Since time began there has been only one way to stop evil.




Truer words have never been spoken !





BrerRabbit - 4/15/2018 at 01:38 AM

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Unfortunately, no one has ever been able to negotiate or reason with the immoral.
Since time began there has been only one way to stop evil.


Sounds clean on the surface but that is subjective absolutism. Cuts both ways. Hitler thought the Jews were immoral and evil and there was only one way to stop them.


Muleman1994 - 4/15/2018 at 01:59 AM

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Unfortunately, no one has ever been able to negotiate or reason with the immoral.
Since time began there has been only one way to stop evil.


Sounds clean on the surface but that is subjective absolutism. Cuts both ways. Hitler thought the Jews were immoral and evil and there was only one way to stop them.




You can make a list of the most heinous people throughout history, but the salient point is their demise which was generally not very pretty.

The point here is that President Trump met the obligations of his office and a man.




BrerRabbit - 4/15/2018 at 02:24 AM

You can make the same list of the most righteous throughout history. The Crucifixion certainly was not pretty. Interesting too, He had quite the opposite view of your "only one way to stop evil" concept.

Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re Syria, you know as well as I do that bombing them occasionally is not going to change a damn thing, other than score a couple brownie points for whatever president orders the strikes.



[Edited on 4/15/2018 by BrerRabbit]


Chain - 4/15/2018 at 01:40 PM

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quote:
Interesting actions by a President who criticized Obama for doing similar things, and stated he'd never telegraph such a military strike, yet has all week via Twitter. Trump has done, yet again, the very thing he said a few years, he'd never do....

Sort of like stating he now wants to rejoin TPP.....A year ago TTP was supposedly evil incarnate.



Interesting that you have no clue yet must post the standard left-wing false talking points.

- Obama did not do similar things. Obama ran to the TV cameras and list all the thing he would not do and would say exactly when he would cut and run.

- President Trump did not telegraph such a military strike and of course you did not define “such”.

- “the very thing he said a few years, he'd never do....” word salad that means nothing.

- The TTP has nothing to do with this thread and you again fail to mention President Trump’s clearly stated changes required.

Where Obama repeatedly failed, President Trump has stood strong and kicked the Dictator Assad a$$ and by direct association, Putin.

Chemical attacks against innocent civilians including women and children is not acceptable and violation of international Law.

President Trump, The Leader of the free world, decisively met his obligations.




You need a new script, Bot Boy.....I'm sure a more adept "factory" employee in the cubicle next to yours can probably help.


Muleman1994 - 4/15/2018 at 02:05 PM

Obama falsely claimed that their 2013 Syria agreement successfully led to the Assad regime purging its entire chemical weapons stockpile and sent his senior liars to the corrupt liberal media:

Former Obama National Security Adviser Susan Rice on National Public Radio:

“We were able to find a solution that didn’t necessitate the use of force that actually removed the chemical weapons that were known from Syria, in a way that the use of force would never have accomplished,” she boasted. “We were able to get the Syrian government to voluntarily and verifiably give up its chemical weapons stockpile.”


Former Obama Secretary of State John Kerry on NBC’s “Meet the Press:

“We struck a deal where we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out,” Kerry claimed.

At the time, the fact-checking website PolitiFact found Kerry’s comments to be “mostly true.” However, given new evidence that Assad had recently used chemical weapons against his own people, PolitiFact was forced to revisit and revise its assessment of Kerry’s claims to “not true”.


Bhawk - 4/15/2018 at 03:15 PM

Syria has been a hellhole of suffering and death for seven years. People that now suddenly are grasping at some notion of moral political tribal superiority because they somehow rationalized that there are better ways for people to die than in a chemical attack are not nearly as righteous as they think they are. The notion that many of those same folks are actually trying to claim that they gave a rip about Syria before Friday night is the real comedy, though.


Muleman1994 - 4/15/2018 at 03:19 PM

The Democrats are hitting the Sunday Morning News 9opinion) shows screaming about President Trump's "illegal war" in Syria and demanding he come before Congress for "their approval".

Hypocrites.

The Democrats did not demand Congressional Approval when Obama bombed Libya.

The Democrats did not demand Congressional Approval when Clinton bombed Kosovo.


President Trump is getting done what their coward Obama failed to do.




jkeller - 4/15/2018 at 04:39 PM

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The Democrats are hitting the Sunday Morning News 9opinion) shows screaming about President Trump's "illegal war" in Syria and demanding he come before Congress for "their approval".

Hypocrites.

The Democrats did not demand Congressional Approval when Obama bombed Libya.

The Democrats did not demand Congressional Approval when Clinton bombed Kosovo.


President Trump is getting done what their coward Obama failed to do.






What is the strategy in Syria? In your words.


Bhawk - 4/15/2018 at 04:54 PM

How many Trump supporters out there would take in a family of Syrian refugees trying to escape the violence?


Muleman1994 - 4/15/2018 at 05:08 PM

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quote:
The Democrats are hitting the Sunday Morning News 9opinion) shows screaming about President Trump's "illegal war" in Syria and demanding he come before Congress for "their approval".

Hypocrites.

The Democrats did not demand Congressional Approval when Obama bombed Libya.

The Democrats did not demand Congressional Approval when Clinton bombed Kosovo.


President Trump is getting done what their coward Obama failed to do.






What is the strategy in Syria? In your words.



Had you been paying attention you would know that President Trump has clearly laid out the strategy.


Muleman1994 - 4/15/2018 at 05:10 PM

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How many Trump supporters out there would take in a family of Syrian refugees trying to escape the violence?



None.

The so-called "refugees" from Syria cannot be vetted.

Europe is not regretting their allowing the so-called "refugees" into their countries.
Even Angela Merkel has admitted that Germany's open-boarders policy was a mistake.


Bhawk - 4/15/2018 at 05:14 PM

So, as long as they don’t die in a chemical attack, otherwise eff them.

Well, something to be said for honesty, I suppose.


Muleman1994 - 4/15/2018 at 05:17 PM

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So, as long as they don’t die in a chemical attack, otherwise eff them.

Well, something to be said for honesty, I suppose.




'eff 'em was Obama the failure's mantra.
President Trump stepped up and met his responsibilities.



Bhawk - 4/15/2018 at 05:20 PM

Ah. No more Syrians will die in this conflict. That’s pretty commendable.


BrerRabbit - 4/15/2018 at 06:24 PM

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Europe is not regretting their allowing the so-called "refugees" into their countries.


Actually Europe is having a difficult time handling the refugee situation, but their courage and humanitarian stance is commendable.


Boglo - 4/15/2018 at 06:27 PM

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Syria has been a hellhole of suffering and death for seven years. People that now suddenly are grasping at some notion of moral political tribal superiority because they somehow rationalized that there are better ways for people to die than in a chemical attack are not nearly as righteous as they think they are. The notion that many of those same folks are actually trying to claim that they gave a rip about Syria before Friday night is the real comedy, though.


Very well said


jkeller - 4/15/2018 at 07:13 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The Democrats are hitting the Sunday Morning News 9opinion) shows screaming about President Trump's "illegal war" in Syria and demanding he come before Congress for "their approval".

Hypocrites.

The Democrats did not demand Congressional Approval when Obama bombed Libya.

The Democrats did not demand Congressional Approval when Clinton bombed Kosovo.


President Trump is getting done what their coward Obama failed to do.






What is the strategy in Syria? In your words.



Had you been paying attention you would know that President Trump has clearly laid out the strategy.



I asked you to put it in your words.


nebish - 4/16/2018 at 01:13 PM

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Much like when Bill Clinton did some bombing to distract from the Lewinsky testimony.


I've heard people say this is a distraction. The chemical weapon attack and Trump's initial comments on it were before the warrants were delivered to Cohen. There are so many controversies with this President that somebody could say anything and everything is meant to be a distraction. I even heard somebody wonder if Macron's intent was to distract from something he is dealing with in France. This is a tired argument; Keeping military action in one's back pocket to use at just the right time to win favor and change headlines. I don't see it that way.


nebish - 4/16/2018 at 01:21 PM

I for one don't give a "rip" about Syria and never have.

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But as far as the legal authority under the Article II of the Constitution, we believe the president has every reason to defend vital American interests, and that is what he did here tonight under that authority.


Secretary Mattis, what vital American interest was defended Friday night?


BrerRabbit - 4/16/2018 at 03:28 PM

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I for one don't give a "rip" about Syria and never have.


Refreshing candor. Same here. It is extremely tragic and reprehensible, but this particular situation is nothing but WW3 bait.


BoytonBrother - 4/16/2018 at 03:50 PM

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The Democrats are hitting the Sunday Morning News 9opinion) shows screaming about President Trump's "illegal war" in Syria and demanding he come before Congress for "their approval".

Hypocrites.


You are right Mule. Only a fool would go on a public forum screaming about Trump and Syria. What are the Dems going to do next? Start a thread about it and meltdown? Thank God you are not like that!


gina - 4/16/2018 at 11:14 PM

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Syria has been a hellhole of suffering and death for seven years. People that now suddenly are grasping at some notion of moral political tribal superiority because they somehow rationalized that there are better ways for people to die than in a chemical attack are not nearly as righteous as they think they are. The notion that many of those same folks are actually trying to claim that they gave a rip about Syria before Friday night is the real comedy, though.


Assad gassed 20,000 people in the early 1980's, there was no moral outcry then, so WHY NOW?

Second question, we believe in the sovereignty of OUR nation, but not the sovereignty of other nations. Why not? Don't they have the same rights we had, to have a group of pissed off people start their own revolution and do it till they succeed?

They do not need our help, and Assad would probably have been fine with letting Isis have their caliphate in the limited areas that they had it in. If he needed back up or help eradicating them, Russia would surely lend a hand. So why are we there helping out?

[Edited on 4/16/2018 by gina]


nebish - 4/17/2018 at 03:19 AM

Forces of good can not always prevent or remove forces of evil around the world. And to the extent the US and our allies want to try and minimize or diminish such evil we really need to be honest about what we think we can accomplish and what will come of it.

Assad is staying in power. That sucks, but in realistic terms there is no better alternative the US can undertake to change that. Will he use chemical weapons on his opponents catching innocence again? Possible. Assuming his military or those aligned with his government and military where behind this latest chemical weapon use, it is just the latest example of him doing this. I'm not sure why we think it will be the last. He has not been deterred prior. Hopefully he will never do it again. But as questioned, is it all that much different to bomb, shoot, starve or otherwise victimize the people of Syria who are caught in up in the collateral damage? Marginally I suppose, not suffering from the effects of chemical and biological weapon agents is one thing...unless we are talking about people with limbs blown off or maimed by explosions of conventional nature. The means of war is nasty business. Once it is started the only thing that can be done is get the fighting over as soon as possible. Assad's side is going to win. The sooner he does the fewer chemical weapons attacks I suspect we will see. That is the unfortunate truth in a world that we can't shake our magic wand and make everything in our image or fix all that ails poor and oppressed people and nations.


IPowrie - 4/17/2018 at 08:44 PM

Look my Congressman said something about this.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/republican-lawmaker-blasts -both-parties-for-hypocrisy-over-syria-strikes


nebish - 4/18/2018 at 01:40 PM

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Look my Congressman said something about this.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/republican-lawmaker-blasts -both-parties-for-hypocrisy-over-syria-strikes


I suspect you agree with him? He's right, it is total hypocrisy. Democrats suck. Republicans suck.


BrerRabbit - 4/18/2018 at 02:57 PM

War is hypocricy.


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