Thread: Europe and The Age of Consent - Make it 21 Across the Board

gina - 3/6/2018 at 08:34 PM

France plans to fix the legal age of sexual consent as 15, meaning sex with someone younger than that would be considered rape. Currently, prosecutors must prove sex with someone under 15 was forced in order to bring rape charges.

The change comes amid uproar over two recent cases of men accused of having sex with 11-year-old girls.

Under the existing legislation, if there is no violence or coercion proved, offenders may only be charged with sexual abuse of a minor and not rape. This has a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a fine of 75,000 (66,000; $87,000).

One French woman in eight has been raped, study says.

Last November, a 30-year-old man was acquitted of rape after a court determined his 11-year-old victim had not been subjected to "constraint, threat, violence or surprise". In another case, a court initially said a 28-year-old man should face charges of sexual assault, and not rape, after saying the victim was not physically forced to have sex.

Legislation varies across Europe, with countries setting different legal ages of consent:
14 years old: Austria, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Portugal
15: Greece, Poland, Sweden
16: Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain, Russia
17: Cyprus

In the UK the age of sexual consent is 16, but children under the age of 13 have additional legal protections that declare they can never consent to sexual activity.

Remarks: The age for legal consent should be raised to 21, after they finish college, they can be legal, buy alcohol, buy weapons. Raising the age of consent takes pressure off them and constrains men who can't seem to constrain themselves.

[Edited on 3/6/2018 by gina]

alanwoods - 3/6/2018 at 08:41 PM

She was fifteen years old, going on thirty-five, Doc, and she told me she was eighteen, she was very willing, I practically had to take to sewing my pants shut. Between you and me, uh, she might have been fifteen, but when you get that little red beaver right up there in front of you, I don't think it's crazy at all and I don't think you do either. No man alive could resist that, and that's why I got into jail to begin with. And now they're telling me I'm crazy over here because I don't sit there like a goddamn vegetable. Don't make a bit of sense to me. If that's what being crazy is, then I'm senseless, out of it, gone-down-the-road, wacko. But no more, no less, that's it.

2112 - 3/6/2018 at 11:24 PM

21? Seriously??? So you want to make every college student in the world a rapist? There was a time that most people were married by the age of 21. My mom married at 17. So does that mean my dad should have been considered a rapist? My mom and her parents would have disagreed.

emr - 3/7/2018 at 12:08 AM

I think the real issue is that there needs to be consensus between age of consent/drinking/smoking/voting/draft into military. It is crazy that there isn't. And while someone who drinks/smokes underage rarely has the book thrown at them (or the stores that sold them or friends who provided them) statutory rape is often a different story. There is a big difference between a 19 year old with a 16 year old boyfriend/girlfriend and a 30 year old teacher having an affair with a 15 year old student

nebish - 3/7/2018 at 01:05 AM

I see what you are trying to get at, troublesome to try and dictate human behavior with laws. Sure we try to do it, sometimes it works out better than others.

Here is what I would rather see. Because like emr said, big difference if an 18 year old is having sex with a 16 year old compared to a 28 year old to a 16 year old. There should be some basic consent laws, but more importantly the focus needs to be the age difference between a defined minor and an older adult.

I mean what is the overall point here? I'd say it is trying to get like-aged people to have the ability to consent with other like-aged people. If you are 14 and decide to have sex with a 13 year old, nobody would encourage that and would rather in fact discourage it, but atleast those people are relatively of the same mental capacity and perspective.

So I would say I'd still rather states have their own consent laws, but I would certainly like to see some kind of age difference mechanism be the overriding factor in consent-rape situations. I don't think anyone within 3-4 years of eachother should ever be charged with child rape.

gina - 3/9/2018 at 01:30 AM

21? Seriously??? So you want to make every college student in the world a rapist? There was a time that most people were married by the age of 21. My mom married at 17. So does that mean my dad should have been considered a rapist? My mom and her parents would have disagreed.

Different people have different maturity levels also different levels of commitment. When I was in junior high a girl in my art class was going to Maryland to quietly marry her boyfriend but they were going to continue in school until graduating at 18 and would not live together until then. They just did not want to have any problems if they were caught having sex and figured that if they were married that would take care of the legal aspect of it, and they also wanted to demonstrate their commitment to each other. I know of two other people who married their high school sweethearts, one marriage worked, the other didn't. People are different.

But I think a policy of across the board AGE 21 solves a lot of problems. They can focus on their education, getting jobs, getting established. Culturally I think it would help a lot. Peer pressure is there and it goes along with being coupled in college, which leads to drinking to be social.

I do however think nebish has a point about like aged people, and emr recognizes the problem with teachers and students.

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