Thread: Las Vegas Shooting More Than 50 Dead

jszfunk - 10/2/2017 at 10:49 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting-live-updates.html


robslob - 10/2/2017 at 01:15 PM

I'm sadder than sad this morning......sadder than I can remember in quite some time. I remember just two weeks ago going to a Giants game. The security person THOROUGHLY checked my backpack before I was able to go in. I thanked him. "I feel much safer because you're here."

Now you can't go to a country music Festival without worrying about being killed. And how could it possibly have been stopped? The assh*le was in a 32nd floor room at Mandalay Bay hotel across the street.

My prayers go out to all families of the over 50 who are dead and the many (400 or so) struggling in hospitals.

America, where have you gone??


porkchopbob - 10/2/2017 at 02:26 PM

There are no words. I don't have kids, I don't know how parents explain this kind of irrational insanity.

So long as there are so many people who value to right to own deadly slaughter toys over life, this will happen again.


PhotoRon286 - 10/2/2017 at 02:27 PM

Listened to the audio of the shooting makes me wonder if he had illegally converted his rifles to auto-fire.


BoytonBrother - 10/2/2017 at 03:29 PM

This is America. This is what we are. It would be nice to think we are better than this, but we are not. All Americans and politicians allowed this to happen. As our times drastically changed over the past few decades, we failed to react accordingly. This is the end result. We are a deeply flawed people in a deeply flawed country.


Lee - 10/2/2017 at 06:39 PM

This is just terrible. 58 confirmed dead. I imagine that number will sadly grow.

The thing I haven't heard about this that confuses me is how a person would be able to get 10 or 11 (or whatever the number was) of assault rifles into a big casino. That puzzles me.


LeglizHemp - 10/2/2017 at 08:34 PM

Sick

Something must be done about guns.


goldtop - 10/2/2017 at 08:45 PM

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Sick

Something must be done about guns.


Yeah...they want to make silencers legal....We did nothing when 20+ children were murdered I can only hope there will be a breaking point but there seem to be a see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil attitude from those who make the decisions to address the problem


gina - 10/2/2017 at 11:34 PM

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Sick

Something must be done about guns.


If you take away guns from law abiding citizens, others will still obtain and use them in nefarious ways. Drinking did not stop during prohibition, violence will not stop if the 'take away all the gun' people have their way. Did you know in Japan the police do not carry guns? They don't need to, people fight using martial arts or knives. So if you took away all the guns and people in this country still want to do public injury events they will just use something else like ied's.


gina - 10/2/2017 at 11:41 PM

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This is just terrible. 58 confirmed dead. I imagine that number will sadly grow.

The thing I haven't heard about this that confuses me is how a person would be able to get 10 or 11 (or whatever the number was) of assault rifles into a big casino. That puzzles me.


Put them in something wide and long - like guitar cases, sporting equipment (like a golf bag, just throw in some regular clubs for camoflage), you could even put them interspersed amount clothing in carry on garment type bags, even camera/technical equipment (tell anyone who asks, you got you tripods in there), if you are middle eastern, you could stash them in rolled up carpets (cut shorter) say they are swatches and you are here for a convention. What about Lacrosse, Hockey? Do they have sacks for those sticks, shove in some of those, put 'em in a tent that you have wrapped up, after Nevada you are going camping in the desert. It could literally be anything. Which is why people are specially trained to look for things that weapons could be in. Regular hotel people no, they are not looking for that.


gina - 10/2/2017 at 11:41 PM

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This is just terrible. 58 confirmed dead. I imagine that number will sadly grow.

The thing I haven't heard about this that confuses me is how a person would be able to get 10 or 11 (or whatever the number was) of assault rifles into a big casino. That puzzles me.


Put them in something wide and long - like guitar cases, sporting equipment (like a golf bag, just throw in some regular clubs for camoflage), you could even put them interspersed amount clothing in carry on garment type bags, even camera/technical equipment (tell anyone who asks, you got you tripods in there), if you are middle eastern, you could stash them in rolled up carpets (cut shorter) say they are swatches and you are here for a convention. What about Lacrosse, Hockey? Do they have sacks for those sticks, shove in some of those, put 'em in a tent that you have wrapped up, after Nevada you are going camping in the desert. It could literally be anything. Which is why people are specially trained to look for things that weapons could be in. Regular hotel people no, they are not looking for that.


BillyBlastoff - 10/3/2017 at 12:38 AM

Australia had a successful program Gina.

https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback


nebish - 10/3/2017 at 12:58 AM

There is so much good in the world and in our country, so many people that care and do for eachother...yet there is this persistent evil that shows it's ugly head and inflicts pain and suffering and death. It's not new, one of the first things I thought of was Charles Whitman shooting from a tall building 50 years ago. But is there more of it now, or do we have more defective people?

I go to a park, concert, sporting event or to a restaurant and I see people enjoying life, with their friends, family or even alone. Then I think, how many of these people fantasize about mass killing? Does the person at the cash register go home and envision their plan for violence against innocent people? Is that person on the bus two rows in front of me thinking about killing all of us?

Incredibly small % of people that are like that. But I wonder what is it inside of these people that want to do things like this?


2112 - 10/3/2017 at 01:35 AM

Very sad, but this won't change anything. A white redneck kills 60 and injures 200 and the narrative is that nothing can be done. If the guy had a middle eastern name we would be banning people from 10 more countries from entering the US. It's the sad reality that it's easy for those in charge to call for "thoughts and prayers" but when it comes down to actually doing anything nobody wants to.


crazyjoe - 10/3/2017 at 01:49 AM

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There is so much good in the world and in our country, so many people that care and do for eachother...yet there is this persistent evil that shows it's ugly head and inflicts pain and suffering and death. It's not new, one of the first things I thought of was Charles Whitman shooting from a tall building 50 years ago. But is there more of it now, or do we have more defective people?

I go to a park, concert, sporting event or to a restaurant and I see people enjoying life, with their friends, family or even alone. Then I think, how many of these people fantasize about mass killing? Does the person at the cash register go home and envision their plan for violence against innocent people? Is that person on the bus two rows in front of me thinking about killing all of us?

Incredibly small % of people that are like that. But I wonder what is it inside of these people that want to do things like this?




Well, In my opinion, unfortunately, more people means more seriously disturbed people, just numbers. Also easy access to such extremely high powered automatic and semi-automatic weapons will continue to lead to increased carnage..........Peace......joe


LeglizHemp - 10/3/2017 at 06:16 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/10/02/while-america-again-debates-gun -reform-australians-hand-in-26-000-guns_a_23230452/?utm_hp_ref=au-homepage


gotdrumz - 10/3/2017 at 12:54 PM

My cousin was killed in this shooting and two lifelong friends are in critical condition.

To the people who politicize this tragedy, go F yourselves.


LUKE - 10/3/2017 at 03:44 PM

Cain killed Abel with a rock.
It's about the heart,not gun's.
The mentality,morality,common sense,disrespect factor etc in this country has gone to hell.
But by all means,,,take all the gun's away.I am quite sure that will make everything just peachy again.


Wis608 - 10/3/2017 at 04:12 PM

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My cousin was killed in this shooting and two lifelong friends are in critical condition.

To the people who politicize this tragedy, go F yourselves.


https://allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&f ile=viewthread&tid=145356


BoytonBrother - 10/3/2017 at 04:17 PM

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But by all means,,,take all the gun's away.


Only a demented fool would feel that paranoia.


BIGV - 10/3/2017 at 05:23 PM

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This is America.


Yes it is and we have the collective power to change anything if we desire it enough.

I've an idea, let's take the mentality that thought it was a good idea to wage a war on drugs and turn that energy on illegal possession of firearms. With so many people in Prison for mere usage or for having drugs on their person, seems like such a waste of both manpower and the Judicial system.

Found with a firearm and no license?...Prison. Illegally discharging a weapon? Prison and so on.

We have to change the way we view this issue, more laws are a joke. More testing, screening?...even funnier. Mandatory prison time for anyone found with a gun that is not registered or legally owned.

Tighten the screws.


BrerRabbit - 10/3/2017 at 05:26 PM

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My cousin was killed in this shooting and two lifelong friends are in critical condition.

To the people who politicize this tragedy, go F yourselves.


Very sorry. And I agree with the sentiment as well.


goldtop - 10/3/2017 at 05:27 PM

quote:
Cain killed Abel with a rock.
It's about the heart,not gun's.
The mentality,morality,common sense,disrespect factor etc in this country has gone to hell.
But by all means,,,take all the gun's away.I am quite sure that will make everything just peachy again.



When the heart can fling 1000's of rocks 500 yards and kill many then we can discuss rock control...your argument is senseless. I don't think he could sneak in a catapult into his hotel room.

No one needs an assault weapon. No one needs dozens of them...also no one wants to take your freeking hunting rifle away.

Military grade weapons have no place in a civil public society. They need to be military only!!


BoytonBrother - 10/3/2017 at 06:55 PM

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Found with a firearm and no license?...Prison. Illegally discharging a weapon? Prison and so on.


Sounds good to me, but I don't think this would've stopped Sandy Hook or Vegas, but who cares? Not me. It's the price of freedom!


BrerRabbit - 10/3/2017 at 07:51 PM

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persistent evil


Chalking it up to "evil" leaves us in the dark and helpless, cowering in fear of the unexplained. People used to think disease was "evil". Dark age mentality. Things happen for a reason. When people go off the rails it isn't due to "persistent evil". This shooter was a millionaire, supposedly normal though antisocial guy, problem gambler, probably alcoholic, worth looking at the toxicology for SSRI, which seems to be a common trigger for psychotic fugues, keeps showing up in these "senseless" events, done by people who nobody would dream would do such a thing.


goldtop - 10/3/2017 at 08:07 PM

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persistent evil


Chalking it up to "evil" leaves us in the dark and helpless, cowering in fear of the unexplained. People used to think disease was "evil". Dark age mentality. Things happen for a reason. When people go off the rails it isn't due to "persistent evil". This shooter was a millionaire, supposedly normal though antisocial guy, problem gambler, probably alcoholic, worth looking at the toxicology for SSRI, which seems to be a common trigger for psychotic fugues, keeps showing up in these "senseless" events, done by people who nobody would dream would do such a thing.


Actions speak louder than words. Our Legislators actions say we love our gun more than we love our children or the innocent lives taken.

All US lives take in War 1.3 million US lives lost to gun violence since 1968 1.5 million


BoytonBrother - 10/3/2017 at 08:18 PM

quote:
There is so much good in the world and in our country, so many people that care and do for eachother...yet there is this persistent evil that shows it's ugly head and inflicts pain and suffering and death. It's not new, one of the first things I thought of was Charles Whitman shooting from a tall building 50 years ago. But is there more of it now, or do we have more defective people?

I go to a park, concert, sporting event or to a restaurant and I see people enjoying life, with their friends, family or even alone. Then I think, how many of these people fantasize about mass killing? Does the person at the cash register go home and envision their plan for violence against innocent people? Is that person on the bus two rows in front of me thinking about killing all of us?


This should be our next tourism marketing campaign for the US! Come to America, where its own citizens wonder daily about being slaughtered like sheep by their own and do nothing about it!


LeglizHemp - 10/4/2017 at 12:30 AM

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This should be our next tourism marketing campaign for the US! Come to America, where its own citizens wonder daily about being slaughtered like sheep by their own and do nothing about it!


Believe me that conversation is being had around the world, at least it is down here in OZ.


LUKE - 10/4/2017 at 01:16 AM

quote:
quote:
Cain killed Abel with a rock.
It's about the heart,not gun's.
The mentality,morality,common sense,disrespect factor etc in this country has gone to hell.
But by all means,,,take all the gun's away.I am quite sure that will make everything just peachy again.



When the heart can fling 1000's of rocks 500 yards and kill many then we can discuss rock control...your argument is senseless. I don't think he could sneak in a catapult into his hotel room.

No one needs an assault weapon. No one needs dozens of them...also no one wants to take your freeking hunting rifle away.

Military grade weapons have no place in a civil public society. They need to be military only!!


Gimmie a damn break lib boy!You missed the point
.I wasn't actually referring to slinging rocks vrs shooting bullet's.It is the state of mind/thinking, mankind has sunk to.I didn't see any shooting's etc in protest to Hillary,Obama.And i ain't talkin bout a punch thrown at a rally.Even though the punk had it coming.I am talkin bout when at a baseball game fund raiser practice when Scaleise was shot.And why? Because they were republican's.And at this country concert there were thousand's of Trump supporter's.What about Antifa,liberal college's that riot when a conservative is gonna speak.And all the while preaching free speech.Gimmie a damn break Mr Gold Top.
Yeah man.Ban Ar-15's,10's etc,30 round and up magazine's etc.Let's see where that all wind's up.It is not about the gun's!!!!!It is about the heart.


BrerRabbit - 10/4/2017 at 01:22 AM

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It is the state of mind/thinking, mankind has sunk to.


You got that right.


BoytonBrother - 10/4/2017 at 03:21 AM

quote:
.I wasn't actually referring to slinging rocks vrs shooting bullet's. It is the state of mind/thinking, mankind has sunk to.I didn't see any shooting's etc in protest to Hillary,Obama.And i ain't talkin bout a punch thrown at a rally.Even though the punk had it coming.I am talkin bout when at a baseball game fund raiser practice when Scaleise was shot.And why? Because they were republican's.And at this country concert there were thousand's of Trump supporter's.What about Antifa,liberal college's that riot when a conservative is gonna speak.And all the while preaching free speech.Gimmie a damn break Mr Gold Top.
Yeah man.Ban Ar-15's,10's etc,30 round and up magazine's etc.Let's see where that all wind's up.It is not about the gun's!!!!!It is about the heart.


Wow, this post was written by someone who clearly doesn't understand how to use the possessive apostrophe! Luke, tell us, what is your excuse for a grown-a$$ white American man, with every privilege and resource at his fingertips, to not know how to write or speak English?


goldtop - 10/4/2017 at 03:26 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Cain killed Abel with a rock.
It's about the heart,not gun's.
The mentality,morality,common sense,disrespect factor etc in this country has gone to hell.
But by all means,,,take all the gun's away.I am quite sure that will make everything just peachy again.



When the heart can fling 1000's of rocks 500 yards and kill many then we can discuss rock control...your argument is senseless. I don't think he could sneak in a catapult into his hotel room.

No one needs an assault weapon. No one needs dozens of them...also no one wants to take your freeking hunting rifle away.

Military grade weapons have no place in a civil public society. They need to be military only!!


Gimmie a damn break lib boy!You missed the point
.I wasn't actually referring to slinging rocks vrs shooting bullet's.It is the state of mind/thinking, mankind has sunk to.I didn't see any shooting's etc in protest to Hillary,Obama.And i ain't talkin bout a punch thrown at a rally.Even though the punk had it coming.I am talkin bout when at a baseball game fund raiser practice when Scaleise was shot.And why? Because they were republican's.And at this country concert there were thousand's of Trump supporter's.What about Antifa,liberal college's that riot when a conservative is gonna speak.And all the while preaching free speech.Gimmie a damn break Mr Gold Top.
Yeah man.Ban Ar-15's,10's etc,30 round and up magazine's etc.Let's see where that all wind's up.It is not about the gun's!!!!!It is about the heart.



Oh Luke....Bless your heart!!!...seems to me you're the one who missed the point....see we all know people do the killing...that's obvious and an old argument....we need to limit access to military weapons so when their heart goes wrong they don't have weapons of mass destruction....


BrerRabbit - 10/4/2017 at 04:42 PM

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Cain killed Abel with a rock.


There is no mention in Genesis of Cain using a rock to kill Abel.


porkchopbob - 10/4/2017 at 05:11 PM

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).

The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.

But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.


goldtop - 10/4/2017 at 05:48 PM

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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).

The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.

But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.




+1...It seems to those who own guns there is no middle ground. That man could not have done what he did with a shotgun or a pistol...Nobody wants to take away your hunting rifle but on one needs military grade weapons or drums, magazines and belts of ammo unless they are in the military... Those are for war

Our legislators have spoken loudly. Guns are more important than innocent lives or our children

20+ children were slaughtered and not 1 thing changed....Actions always speak louder than words or this case no action speaks

[Edited on 10/4/2017 by goldtop]


BoytonBrother - 10/4/2017 at 07:40 PM

Here's every gun control debate in a nutshell:

But it won't stop someone hell bent on causing harm.

Yeah, and?

Therefore we shouldn't add more laws because it's a waste.

How do you know for sure it won't prevent one or more, or decrease the amount of lives lost?

I don't. But you don't know that it will help.

True. So we both don't know for sure, but shouldn't we err on the side of caution?

No because that would take away some of my rights and freedoms.

So what do you propose we do?

Pray for the victims. Hold the shooter accountable.

How will that prevent future mass shootings? And the shooters normally off themselves.

It won't, and I know.

Well shouldn't we ban the public from buying WMD's?

No.

Well shouldn't we prevent terrorists and the deranged from buying WMD's?

No.

Really?

Really.

Why would you allow terrorists and the mentally ill to buy WMD's?

Because to stop them would take away some of my rights, and they can use other methods to kill.

So you would rather them legally buy WMD's from a store rather than seek them out illegally on the black market, so that you don't have to prove yourself capable and responsible?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.


goldtop - 10/4/2017 at 08:31 PM

There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries




Jerry - 10/4/2017 at 10:07 PM

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


goldtop - 10/4/2017 at 11:44 PM

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


jkeller - 10/4/2017 at 11:46 PM

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


These stats are hardly new. Anyone who questions them at this point is either clueless or doesn't want to face reality.


gina - 10/5/2017 at 12:04 AM

quote:
Cain killed Abel with a rock.
It's about the heart,not gun's.
The mentality,morality,common sense,disrespect factor etc in this country has gone to hell.
But by all means,,,take all the gun's away.I am quite sure that will make everything just peachy again.




You know darn well the guns are just a tool. People need to look at the reasons, not the methodology.


gina - 10/5/2017 at 12:06 AM

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persistent evil


Chalking it up to "evil" leaves us in the dark and helpless, cowering in fear of the unexplained. People used to think disease was "evil". Dark age mentality. Things happen for a reason. When people go off the rails it isn't due to "persistent evil". This shooter was a millionaire, supposedly normal though antisocial guy, problem gambler, probably alcoholic, worth looking at the toxicology for SSRI, which seems to be a common trigger for psychotic fugues, keeps showing up in these "senseless" events, done by people who nobody would dream would do such a thing.


I wanted to say maybe he just hated country music, and was tired and the noise bothered him, but he had an arsenal of weapons and ammo, so there was some other reason.


gina - 10/5/2017 at 12:14 AM

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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).

The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.

But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.




If he didn't have a gun, he could have had a cargo plane and thrown some ied's out into a crowd anyplace, whatever the ied's didn't kill, the stampedes would. How can you be safe? Avoid big crowds so you have room to run and take cover anywhere? Just stay home as much as possible?

Look at Oklahoma City, a fertilizer laden bomb truck killed people at the federal bldg. Should we ban trucks? Fertilizer?

You need to look at why people are angry and want to kill large amounts of other people. Find out all the reasons because these people do have reasons. The media can say it is a senseless tragedy. There are reasons, they just do not know why so they do not know what else to say.

There are people with no regard for anyone else's rights or lives, we need to look at WHY they think that way because when they think that way, they may ACT that way.


adhill58 - 10/5/2017 at 12:58 AM

quote:
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).

The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.

But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.




If he didn't have a gun, he could have had a cargo plane and thrown some ied's out into a crowd anyplace, whatever the ied's didn't kill, the stampedes would. How can you be safe? Avoid big crowds so you have room to run and take cover anywhere? Just stay home as much as possible?

Look at Oklahoma City, a fertilizer laden bomb truck killed people at the federal bldg. Should we ban trucks? Fertilizer?

You need to look at why people are angry and want to kill large amounts of other people. Find out all the reasons because these people do have reasons. The media can say it is a senseless tragedy. There are reasons, they just do not know why so they do not know what else to say.

There are people with no regard for anyone else's rights or lives, we need to look at WHY they think that way because when they think that way, they may ACT that way.




When was the last time you said, "Wow, people are dropping I.E.D.s out of cargo planes and blowing up fertilizer-laden trucks every time I turn on the news,"?

Guns make it easy and convenient. Period. Guns are the problem we have right now, not trucks or airplanes. Why is it so hard to say that they are causing a problem that needs a solution?


goldtop - 10/5/2017 at 01:08 AM

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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).

The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.

But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.




If he didn't have a gun, he could have had a cargo plane and thrown some ied's out into a crowd anyplace, whatever the ied's didn't kill, the stampedes would. How can you be safe? Avoid big crowds so you have room to run and take cover anywhere? Just stay home as much as possible?

Look at Oklahoma City, a fertilizer laden bomb truck killed people at the federal bldg. Should we ban trucks? Fertilizer?

You need to look at why people are angry and want to kill large amounts of other people. Find out all the reasons because these people do have reasons. The media can say it is a senseless tragedy. There are reasons, they just do not know why so they do not know what else to say.

There are people with no regard for anyone else's rights or lives, we need to look at WHY they think that way because when they think that way, they may ACT that way.




Oh brother...(Shaking my head).....Yep he could have flown over with boxes of letter openers and rig the boxes to open and people would be impaled by letter openers as they feel on them.....Or he could have had a stash of boulder and dropped them from the sky....he could have hired zombies to march on the crowd with screwdriver stabbing people in the ear

To use a cargo plane you must register your flight with the FAA and fly in the fly zone or they will come after you with military planes...but I guess you're unaware of that


LUKE - 10/5/2017 at 01:14 AM

This place is like an LSD laced happy meal.Please shut the gate on your way out.


Jerry - 10/5/2017 at 01:32 AM

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.


goldtop - 10/5/2017 at 01:48 AM

https://www.unodc.org/gsh/

United Nations database on crimes...do the research yourself and take your head out of the sand.

Obviously your right to own a gun is more important to you then public safety.

Again....no one wants your pistol to protect your home or your shotgun or deer rifle....We don't need military grade weapons except in the military...wanna play with one join the military other than that I'll play my thumb violins for your want to unload 500 rounds in a second for the thrill of it....


jkeller - 10/5/2017 at 02:05 AM

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.


You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.


gina - 10/5/2017 at 10:36 PM

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https://www.unodc.org/gsh/

United Nations database on crimes...do the research yourself and take your head out of the sand.

Obviously your right to own a gun is more important to you then public safety.

Again....no one wants your pistol to protect your home or your shotgun or deer rifle....We don't need military grade weapons except in the military...wanna play with one join the military other than that I'll play my thumb violins for your want to unload 500 rounds in a second for the thrill of it....



For the most part nobody needs an assault rifle, however, what happens when the anti-Christ and his minions launch their plan to rule the world and enslave every free person? At that point revolution will come to our shores, as well as every other country on the earth. What then? People should just bow down to the demonic elite and be enslaved?

What happens when they want everyone to take the mark of the beast, and if you refuse they drag you out with their SWAT team because you are a troublemaker?

Do a free people have a right to defend themselves against such dictatorial tyranny or should they politely give up their weapons now so they can be enslaved later on?

Those who want to do these mass shootings for their own unknown reasons are just outliers aside from the regular person who wants to live free and not be enslaved by a dictatorial regime led by evil, demonic people.





[Edited on 10/5/2017 by gina]


BrerRabbit - 10/5/2017 at 11:06 PM

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Those who want to do these mass shootings for their own unknown reasons are just outliers aside from the regular person who wants to live free and not be enslaved by a dictatorial regime led by evil, demonic people.


Case in point. Perfect example of someone who should forfeit all firearms upon psychiatric medication prescription.


adhill58 - 10/6/2017 at 01:11 AM

Nobody is going to take ALL your guns away. Nobody has ever suggested that. We already had what YOU CALL the worst and most liberal president ever (also the only black one), and you still have your guns.

Obama had Democratic control of congress and used that time to, as you say, "shove healthcare down our throats".

Why did he not use those two years to confiscate all your guns and then feed your women and children to the United Nations?

People against reasonable regulation of tools of mass murder are pathetic humans. Try buying a Trans-Am or Camaro if you need to feel tough. It works for a lot of losers.



On a separate note, if the antichrist shows up, don't bet on a machine gun to save you, I am not sure it works like that.


Jerry - 10/6/2017 at 06:52 PM

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.


You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.


Ya know, the only place I can find that graph is at evertown.org, a vary anti-gun website.
Can't find it anywhere on the link you posted.


jkeller - 10/6/2017 at 07:05 PM

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.


You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.


Ya know, the only place I can find that graph is at evertown.org, a vary anti-gun website.
Can't find it anywhere on the link you posted.


Ya know, it makes sense that you can find this on an anti-gun site but not on a pro-gun site. To ignore it because of where it came from is lazy.

Answer this question. If guns make us safer, why do we have the most guns in the world and one of the highest murder rates? It seems that guns do not make us safer.


Jerry - 10/6/2017 at 08:25 PM

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.


You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.


Ya know, the only place I can find that graph is at evertown.org, a vary anti-gun website.
Can't find it anywhere on the link you posted.


Ya know, it makes sense that you can find this on an anti-gun site but not on a pro-gun site. To ignore it because of where it came from is lazy.

Answer this question. If guns make us safer, why do we have the most guns in the world and one of the highest murder rates? It seems that guns do not make us safer.


If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)

So you see, we actually have one of the LOWEST homicide per 100,00 rates, not the highest.


jkeller - 10/6/2017 at 09:12 PM

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.


You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.


Ya know, the only place I can find that graph is at evertown.org, a vary anti-gun website.
Can't find it anywhere on the link you posted.


Ya know, it makes sense that you can find this on an anti-gun site but not on a pro-gun site. To ignore it because of where it came from is lazy.

Answer this question. If guns make us safer, why do we have the most guns in the world and one of the highest murder rates? It seems that guns do not make us safer.


If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)

So you see, we actually have one of the LOWEST homicide per 100,00 rates, not the highest.


We have, by a big margin, the highest death by guns of any country in the world. So, your frequent attempt at semantics aside, why aren’t we safer with th3 most guns of any country in the world? You know, since guns make us safer.


adhill58 - 10/6/2017 at 09:52 PM

"If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)"

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Wow! You're argument is that we are safer here than in Bolivia (a third-world country) or the former Soviet Bloc (which is controlled by organized crime, basically) or Mexico (which has drug cartels at war with each other and the government), so we should just accept the fact that people here commit mass-shootings all of the time?

Those are pretty low standards for the most properous nation on the planet.


jkeller - 10/6/2017 at 10:15 PM

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"If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)"

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Wow! You're argument is that we are safer here than in Bolivia (a third-world country) or the former Soviet Bloc (which is controlled by organized crime, basically) or Mexico (which has drug cartels at war with each other and the government), so we should just accept the fact that people here commit mass-shootings all of the time?

Those are pretty low standards for the most properous nation on the planet.



Cherry. Picked. Facts. It is all the gun crowd has.


gina - 10/6/2017 at 10:34 PM

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"If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)"

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Wow! You're argument is that we are safer here than in Bolivia (a third-world country) or the former Soviet Bloc (which is controlled by organized crime, basically) or Mexico (which has drug cartels at war with each other and the government), so we should just accept the fact that people here commit mass-shootings all of the time?

Those are pretty low standards for the most properous nation on the planet.


You are safer in any of those other places because the culture is different. The Latino culture and Spanish also is different than the one most of us see here in America. The people are more normal, they just want to live, have a wife and family and be happy. For the most part competition, vengeance are not part of their lives. Even our curse words, they have no translation in Spanish and no meaning in their culture. There are many other things also but suffice it to say, Spanish culture does not breed psychos and sociopaths. They're good peoples so you have less crime in those places. The drug cartels is another matter, but the average person is not involved with that.


gina - 10/6/2017 at 10:37 PM

Other things that came out in articles today included that the shooter in this case bought illuminated bullets (tracer rounds) that make it easier to hit targets in the dark. He bought 1,000 rounds of those bullets. He also bought tickets to a concert in Chicago that was to be held in the park and wanted his hotel room to have a view of Grant Park. The guy wanted to go and do mass shootings at concerts in different places.

This is not a random act, he planned, he spent months buying ammo and weapons. This is very disturbing.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vegas-gunmans-vehicle-may-have-been-prime d-to-explode/ar-AAsZQ8o?li=BBnb7Kz



[Edited on 10/6/2017 by gina]


gina - 10/6/2017 at 11:22 PM

Allright We really need to know. The shooter had another guest with him 4 days before the shooting. . When he ordered food, the waiter noted it on the receipt. So who was there and what was going on, and where is that other person now? Are they still at large, part of a bigger plan for more mass murder?

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-roo m-before-shooting/

The receipt shows an employee named Antonio served two guests an “IRD_MB,” which means “In Room Dining, Mandalay Bay.”

The table number is “32135” – which equates to Paddock’s room number (135) on the 32nd floor.

The date on the receipt also says September 27, whereas authorities assert that Paddock checked in the day after on September 28.

Paddock’s guest could not have been his girlfriend Marilou Danley because she was in the Philippines at the time.

The individual who posted the receipt appears to have deleted it from his Facebook page, although the page still shows that he works at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

Another source told Laura Loomer that the gunman actually checked in on September 25, three days before authorities said he did


REMARKS: WHY is there a discrepancy as to the date Mr. Paddock (the shooter) checked into the hotel? He ordered and ate food on the 27th, but authorities say he did not check in until the 28th? He was with another person on the 27th and they ordered food sent to his room. What is going on here?

[Edited on 10/6/2017 by gina]


gina - 10/6/2017 at 11:58 PM

To be honest, I believed as everyone else has that the shooting was just as we were told it was, Now, there are questions that need answers.

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2017/10/04/five-more-things-that-dont-add -up-about-the-las-vegas-massacre-where-is-all-the-expended-brass/

From Mike Adams of Natural News.

1. Now, maybe I’m just a moron who thinks automatic rifles discharge expended brass or something, because the last time I shot my rifle — which was yesterday — hot brass kept blasting out the right side port with every round. Very annoying. I wish I knew how to turn that off.

So, given that Stephen Paddock was firing full-auto rifles in a sustained 10-minute assault, at roughly the rate of six rounds per second, we should probably see massive piles of expended brass all over the place. Let’s see: 6 rounds per second, times 60 seconds in a minute, times 10 minutes of sustained fire… that comes to 3600 rounds of ammunition. If you figure there were pauses in the automatic fire, you could discount that to maybe 3000 rounds actually fired. Again, maybe I’m just stupid or something, but if Paddock fired 3000 rounds, there should be 3000 brass casings all over the floor of the hotel suite. (I know, I’m invoking logic and reason, both of which are banned in modern society and the mainstream media, but bear with me for a moment for the sake of appeasing a really stupid person…)


2) Where are all the carpet burns from hot brass and hot gun barrels?
Now, at 400 C, most of your rifle grease smokes off, making it hard to breathe. After just a few hundred rounds, the air in that hotel room would have been unbearably polluted. It might have even caused global warming, which is exactly why we have to ban automatic weapons (plus full-auto hammers, see above). Given that Stephen Paddock was smoking through thousands of rounds of ammunition, he was generating not only very hot rifles but also extremely hot brass that would have left burn marks in any synthetic carpet.

Where are all the burn marks in the carpet?

Wouldn’t you know it, but the carpet in this room just happened to look like a pattern of burn marks, thereby obscuring the absence of additional burn marks from brass or rifle barrels:



3) When seconds count, the police are only 72 minutes away… but why? I’m not trying to diss the cops here. As you know, I’m an advocate of honest, local police, and it’s clear that the beat cops did a fantastic job helping people seek cover on the ground below. But I do have an issue with the 72-minute response time during a full-auto machine gun spree in a city where there are dozens of cops within a one-mile radius.

4) Um, excuse me but I have another really stupid question…

So you know that rifle with the bipod they found innocently standing in front of the mini-bar? Yeah, I’m talking about this one, labeled #19: s it just me, or does this look exactly the same as the rifle shown in the photo with the dead guy, above? Same flared mag well, same bump fire stock, same bipod and even the same optics, it seems. If only we could see the serial numbers, we might know for sure, but of course they never release photos with that degree of resolution.


5) I swear this is my last really stupid question, but please…This whole scene is being called a “sniper’s nest” by the entire fake news media, but I’ve looked and looked and I still don’t see a sniper rifle anywhere. What I see are a bunch of AR-15s that fire .223 rounds (or 5.56 mm for you metric heads). Sniper rifles are bolt-action rifles, not auto-loading semi-auto rifles. Now, I’ve only fired about 100,000 of these rounds myself, so I’m still a newbie, but the last time I checked, these rounds are usually about 55 grains in mass, and they lose about 75% of their kinetic energy by the time they reach a 400-yard target (the distance from the Mandalay Bay hotel to the concert lot is about 400 yards). You can see the dope yourself at Gundata.org.

On top of that, the bullet drop is 32 inches, which is of course almost three feet of bullet drop. Now, given the elevated angle of the shooter, that bullet drop wouldn’t be quite as dramatic, as the coefficient of a 20 degree declination angle is, of course, 0.94. But the energy of this round at 400 yards makes it only marginally effective. It’s just at the outside boundary of the effective range of a .223 cartridge, as any good Marine will tell you.

Conclusion? All these casualties couldn’t possibly be caused by .223 rounds. Most likely, they were actually heavier rounds fired from something like a belt-fed AK system (7.62 x 39mm rounds), or perhaps even a belt-fed .308 automatic weapon. So where is all the brass, anyway? Did Stephen Paddock possess magical brass that can disappear after being fired? In summary, “mission impossible” could have only been carried out by a miracle Leprechaun who eats brass and makes bullets more effective than the laws of physics allow

In summary of all this, we’re told that a flabby 64-year-old senior citizen accountant with a gambling problem managed to expertly lay down highly effective fields of fire, killing 58 and wounding 500+ people by firing off thousands of .223 rounds well outside their effective range, all while producing merely dozens of pieces of expended brass that were magically cooled before they hit the carpet of his hotel room. This was accomplished, we’re told, by one man firing 10 rifles… wait, no, 27 rifles all by himself, without any military training whatsoever.

Oh, and one more thing: This same guy who meticulously planned the hotel room, the rifles hidden in the luggage, the huge collection of 100-round magazines, the window hammer smashing routine, the concert calendar dates, the monotonous lugging of ammunition to his room and even the guarding of the mini-bar when another assault rifle just happened to mindlessly leave a bag of ammonium nitrate fertilizer in his careven though it has no practical use in this scenario unless you’re growing Azaleas.

There's another something, how did he manage to get 200 pound crates of ammo to his room all by himself and hide it from the maids for several days? That's another question that was asked.


REMARKS: Evil exists in the world, lies, sabotage, subterfuge exist, and there are those that regard human lives as nothing and are willing to use them to advance political agendas. We've been lied to before, we must not get fooled again. Yes all those people are dead, but if it is not possible for ONE man to have done all that, we need to start looking in other directions and blame the other complicitly guilty people. Was Mr. Paddock crazy? Controlled? Grief must not obscure the rruth.


[Edited on 10/7/2017 by gina]


jkeller - 10/7/2017 at 12:23 AM

quote:
Allright We really need to know. The shooter had another guest with him 4 days before the shooting. . When he ordered food, the waiter noted it on the receipt. So who was there and what was going on, and where is that other person now? Are they still at large, part of a bigger plan for more mass murder?

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-roo m-before-shooting/

The receipt shows an employee named Antonio served two guests an “IRD_MB,” which means “In Room Dining, Mandalay Bay.”

The table number is “32135” – which equates to Paddock’s room number (135) on the 32nd floor.

The date on the receipt also says September 27, whereas authorities assert that Paddock checked in the day after on September 28.

Paddock’s guest could not have been his girlfriend Marilou Danley because she was in the Philippines at the time.

The individual who posted the receipt appears to have deleted it from his Facebook page, although the page still shows that he works at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

Another source told Laura Loomer that the gunman actually checked in on September 25, three days before authorities said he did


REMARKS: WHY is there a discrepancy as to the date Mr. Paddock (the shooter) checked into the hotel? He ordered and ate food on the 27th, but authorities say he did not check in until the 28th? He was with another person on the 27th and they ordered food sent to his room. What is going on here?

[Edited on 10/6/2017 by gina]


This is a serious topic. Don't eff it up by bringing infowars into it.


jkeller - 10/7/2017 at 12:31 AM

quote:
Allright We really need to know. The shooter had another guest with him 4 days before the shooting. . When he ordered food, the waiter noted it on the receipt. So who was there and what was going on, and where is that other person now? Are they still at large, part of a bigger plan for more mass murder?

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-roo m-before-shooting/

The receipt shows an employee named Antonio served two guests an “IRD_MB,” which means “In Room Dining, Mandalay Bay.”

The table number is “32135” – which equates to Paddock’s room number (135) on the 32nd floor.

The date on the receipt also says September 27, whereas authorities assert that Paddock checked in the day after on September 28.

Paddock’s guest could not have been his girlfriend Marilou Danley because she was in the Philippines at the time.

The individual who posted the receipt appears to have deleted it from his Facebook page, although the page still shows that he works at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

Another source told Laura Loomer that the gunman actually checked in on September 25, three days before authorities said he did


REMARKS: WHY is there a discrepancy as to the date Mr. Paddock (the shooter) checked into the hotel? He ordered and ate food on the 27th, but authorities say he did not check in until the 28th? He was with another person on the 27th and they ordered food sent to his room. What is going on here?

[Edited on 10/6/2017 by gina]


The receipt in that picture is dated 9/27. Paddock checked in ion 9/28.

http://www.newsweek.com/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooting-mandalay-bay-676 259

How many times will you post wrong info from that site before you learn?


Jerry - 10/7/2017 at 01:01 AM

quote:
To be honest, I believed as everyone else has that the shooting was just as we were told it was, Now, there are questions that need answers.

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2017/10/04/five-more-things-that-dont-add -up-about-the-las-vegas-massacre-where-is-all-the-expended-brass/

From Mike Adams of Natural News.

1. Now, maybe I’m just a moron who thinks automatic rifles discharge expended brass or something, because the last time I shot my rifle — which was yesterday — hot brass kept blasting out the right side port with every round. Very annoying. I wish I knew how to turn that off.

So, given that Stephen Paddock was firing full-auto rifles in a sustained 10-minute assault, at roughly the rate of six rounds per second, we should probably see massive piles of expended brass all over the place. Let’s see: 6 rounds per second, times 60 seconds in a minute, times 10 minutes of sustained fire… that comes to 3600 rounds of ammunition. If you figure there were pauses in the automatic fire, you could discount that to maybe 3000 rounds actually fired. Again, maybe I’m just stupid or something, but if Paddock fired 3000 rounds, there should be 3000 brass casings all over the floor of the hotel suite. (I know, I’m invoking logic and reason, both of which are banned in modern society and the mainstream media, but bear with me for a moment for the sake of appeasing a really stupid person…)


2) Where are all the carpet burns from hot brass and hot gun barrels?
Now, at 400 C, most of your rifle grease smokes off, making it hard to breathe. After just a few hundred rounds, the air in that hotel room would have been unbearably polluted. It might have even caused global warming, which is exactly why we have to ban automatic weapons (plus full-auto hammers, see above). Given that Stephen Paddock was smoking through thousands of rounds of ammunition, he was generating not only very hot rifles but also extremely hot brass that would have left burn marks in any synthetic carpet.

Where are all the burn marks in the carpet?

Wouldn’t you know it, but the carpet in this room just happened to look like a pattern of burn marks, thereby obscuring the absence of additional burn marks from brass or rifle barrels:



3) When seconds count, the police are only 72 minutes away… but why? I’m not trying to diss the cops here. As you know, I’m an advocate of honest, local police, and it’s clear that the beat cops did a fantastic job helping people seek cover on the ground below. But I do have an issue with the 72-minute response time during a full-auto machine gun spree in a city where there are dozens of cops within a one-mile radius.

4) Um, excuse me but I have another really stupid question…

So you know that rifle with the bipod they found innocently standing in front of the mini-bar? Yeah, I’m talking about this one, labeled #19: s it just me, or does this look exactly the same as the rifle shown in the photo with the dead guy, above? Same flared mag well, same bump fire stock, same bipod and even the same optics, it seems. If only we could see the serial numbers, we might know for sure, but of course they never release photos with that degree of resolution.


5) I swear this is my last really stupid question, but please…This whole scene is being called a “sniper’s nest” by the entire fake news media, but I’ve looked and looked and I still don’t see a sniper rifle anywhere. What I see are a bunch of AR-15s that fire .223 rounds (or 5.56 mm for you metric heads). Sniper rifles are bolt-action rifles, not auto-loading semi-auto rifles. Now, I’ve only fired about 100,000 of these rounds myself, so I’m still a newbie, but the last time I checked, these rounds are usually about 55 grains in mass, and they lose about 75% of their kinetic energy by the time they reach a 400-yard target (the distance from the Mandalay Bay hotel to the concert lot is about 400 yards). You can see the dope yourself at Gundata.org.

On top of that, the bullet drop is 32 inches, which is of course almost three feet of bullet drop. Now, given the elevated angle of the shooter, that bullet drop wouldn’t be quite as dramatic, as the coefficient of a 20 degree declination angle is, of course, 0.94. But the energy of this round at 400 yards makes it only marginally effective. It’s just at the outside boundary of the effective range of a .223 cartridge, as any good Marine will tell you.

Conclusion? All these casualties couldn’t possibly be caused by .223 rounds. Most likely, they were actually heavier rounds fired from something like a belt-fed AK system (7.62 x 39mm rounds), or perhaps even a belt-fed .308 automatic weapon. So where is all the brass, anyway? Did Stephen Paddock possess magical brass that can disappear after being fired? In summary, “mission impossible” could have only been carried out by a miracle Leprechaun who eats brass and makes bullets more effective than the laws of physics allow

In summary of all this, we’re told that a flabby 64-year-old senior citizen accountant with a gambling problem managed to expertly lay down highly effective fields of fire, killing 58 and wounding 500+ people by firing off thousands of .223 rounds well outside their effective range, all while producing merely dozens of pieces of expended brass that were magically cooled before they hit the carpet of his hotel room. This was accomplished, we’re told, by one man firing 10 rifles… wait, no, 27 rifles all by himself, without any military training whatsoever.

Oh, and one more thing: This same guy who meticulously planned the hotel room, the rifles hidden in the luggage, the huge collection of 100-round magazines, the window hammer smashing routine, the concert calendar dates, the monotonous lugging of ammunition to his room and even the guarding of the mini-bar when another assault rifle just happened to mindlessly leave a bag of ammonium nitrate fertilizer in his careven though it has no practical use in this scenario unless you’re growing Azaleas.

There's another something, how did he manage to get 200 pound crates of ammo to his room all by himself and hide it from the maids for several days? That's another question that was asked.


REMARKS: Evil exists in the world, lies, sabotage, subterfuge exist, and there are those that regard human lives as nothing and are willing to use them to advance political agendas. We've been lied to before, we must not get fooled again. Yes all those people are dead, but if it is not possible for ONE man to have done all that, we need to start looking in other directions and blame the other complicitly guilty people. Was Mr. Paddock crazy? Controlled? Grief must not obscure the rruth.


[Edited on 10/7/2017 by gina]


Gina, I'm sorry, I don't like to pick on you or your posts, but this guy is really off the reservation with his "facts".

No "full-auto" rifles were used, and no assault rifles were used.
Brass cools quickly as it goes through the air to where it's not that hot when it hits the floor. I've fired full auto M-16s. As that I'm left handed, the brass sometimes goes down the front of my fatigue jacket (note: the shirt is called a field jacket while the jacket is called a coat)
The brass wasn't hot enough to burn skin, but it did leave a red spot. It would not be hot enough to burn the carpet.
The effective range of the 5.56 round is about 500 yards with the 55 grain bullet, heavier bullets give a longer effective range. But, he wasn't targeting anyone, just putting rounds downrange since the SlideFire isn't about accuracy, it's about upping the rate of fire. Hearing the rate of fire on the videos, he had been doing some practice with the SlideFire.
The type of pattern he laid down is called enfilade fire with a beaten zone. With this type you don't have to aim at individuals, just into a general area.
The majority of rounds went into this zone, and if he used the heavier bullets they would have had plenty of energy to cause casualties.
During his stay he could have loaded up a gym bag each time he left the room and left a Do Not Disturb sign on the door. Lots of ammo could be carried up, and the maids would have stayed out of the room.


adhill58 - 10/7/2017 at 03:52 AM

Not to get off subject, but there are a million conspiracies everywhere some people look. However, a conspiracy that is being investigated by both houses of congress and the former FBI Director is fake news. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?


gotdrumz - 10/7/2017 at 11:35 AM

Back on page one, I posted that my cousin was killed in this shooting and only one person here offered any condolences to me and my family. Instead your merely argued over one another's political view like always. Seems if your not driving "that" car or riding in it, you have nothing coming from "that" crowd. I thought I was harsh telling those that want to politicize this tragedy to go F themselves. My point was proven as to the mindset of too many people who post here. It's sad that people become so jaded over their own damn opinion, which in the end matters no less or no more than any other one. I just returned from Vegas and my cousins funeral. I return here to see that it's business as usual. The same people doing the same thing they've done for years, and the end result is the same. That is the proverbial definition for insanity. Most of you need to sign up for daycare, cause you react to life like children. Grown ups respond to situations in a pro-active/pro-social manner. Around here "that" car pulls up and the occupants dog pile on anyone who opposes their ever so valued opinions, beliefs, and/or affiliations. If this board is a reflection of where our society is at or headed than it appears we are all F'ed.


robslob - 10/7/2017 at 01:51 PM

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Back on page one, I posted that my cousin was killed in this shooting and only one person here offered any condolences to me and my family. Instead your merely argued over one another's political view like always. Seems if your not driving "that" car or riding in it, you have nothing coming from "that" crowd. I thought I was harsh telling those that want to politicize this tragedy to go F themselves. My point was proven as to the mindset of too many people who post here. It's sad that people become so jaded over their own damn opinion, which in the end matters no less or no more than any other one. I just returned from Vegas and my cousins funeral. I return here to see that it's business as usual. The same people doing the same thing they've done for years, and the end result is the same. That is the proverbial definition for insanity. Most of you need to sign up for daycare, cause you react to life like children. Grown ups respond to situations in a pro-active/pro-social manner. Around here "that" car pulls up and the occupants dog pile on anyone who opposes their ever so valued opinions, beliefs, and/or affiliations. If this board is a reflection of where our society is at or headed than it appears we are all F'ed.


This is the first time I've opened this thread (didn't see a need to) although I have checked repeatedly on the two related ones that I started.

I am SO sorry Ray about your cousin.

This tragedy deeply affected Eric Church who performed at Highway 91 two days before the tragedy occurred. I'm going to find the video of him doing an emotional tribute to the victims and performing the song he wrote just this week about it. May it in some SMALL way help ease your pain...............

http://www.whiskeyriff.com/2017/10/05/an-emotional-eric-church-debuts-new-s ong-why-not-me-he-wrote-for-route-91-harvest-victims/



[Edited on 10/7/2017 by robslob]


gina - 10/7/2017 at 04:59 PM

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Allright We really need to know. The shooter had another guest with him 4 days before the shooting. . When he ordered food, the waiter noted it on the receipt. So who was there and what was going on, and where is that other person now? Are they still at large, part of a bigger plan for more mass murder?

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-roo m-before-shooting/

The receipt shows an employee named Antonio served two guests an “IRD_MB,” which means “In Room Dining, Mandalay Bay.”

The table number is “32135” – which equates to Paddock’s room number (135) on the 32nd floor.

The date on the receipt also says September 27, whereas authorities assert that Paddock checked in the day after on September 28.

Paddock’s guest could not have been his girlfriend Marilou Danley because she was in the Philippines at the time.

The individual who posted the receipt appears to have deleted it from his Facebook page, although the page still shows that he works at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

Another source told Laura Loomer that the gunman actually checked in on September 25, three days before authorities said he did


REMARKS: WHY is there a discrepancy as to the date Mr. Paddock (the shooter) checked into the hotel? He ordered and ate food on the 27th, but authorities say he did not check in until the 28th? He was with another person on the 27th and they ordered food sent to his room. What is going on here?

[Edited on 10/6/2017 by gina]


This is a serious topic. Don't eff it up by bringing infowars into it.


They have a copy of the room service receipt showing that DAYS before the OFFICIAL story says the shooter was at the hotel, he WAS actually at the hotel and ordered food for his room.

The room service receipt shows there were TWO people registered for the room, although I will admit perhaps that is just the computer default because most hotels assume double occupancy.

NEXT, one of the days BEFORE the shooting he had an ADJONING room added to his bill, so THERE was more than just HIM there, and his wife/girlfriend was ALREADY in the PHILLIPINES, so don't tell me these things are NOT important.


gina - 10/7/2017 at 05:07 PM

quote:
Back on page one, I posted that my cousin was killed in this shooting and only one person here offered any condolences to me and my family. Instead your merely argued over one another's political view like always. Seems if your not driving "that" car or riding in it, you have nothing coming from "that" crowd. I thought I was harsh telling those that want to politicize this tragedy to go F themselves. My point was proven as to the mindset of too many people who post here. It's sad that people become so jaded over their own damn opinion, which in the end matters no less or no more than any other one. I just returned from Vegas and my cousins funeral. I return here to see that it's business as usual. The same people doing the same thing they've done for years, and the end result is the same. That is the proverbial definition for insanity. Most of you need to sign up for daycare, cause you react to life like children. Grown ups respond to situations in a pro-active/pro-social manner. Around here "that" car pulls up and the occupants dog pile on anyone who opposes their ever so valued opinions, beliefs, and/or affiliations. If this board is a reflection of where our society is at or headed than it appears we are all F'ed.


People are sorry for everyone's loss including yours. What makes it worse is that there seems to be more here than meets the eye in terms of how these people died; that it wasn't just one person who was in a homicidal state of mind; in addition to that the fact that he planned it well in advance of the attack is more worrisome. Now with Nick Adam's questions, ie. where are the 3,000 shell casings, why were there no burn holes in the carpet, how does a 64 year old out of shape man get crates of ammo that weigh 200 lbs. each up to his room by himself, how does one person fire 27 rifles BEFORE the Swat team arrives, and why does it take the police 72 minutes to respond to an active shooter situation when they were one mile away from the site where all this was going on. The whole thing does not make sense as to what the official story says.

People want to believe it was just one lone crazed gunman, but the facts just do not bear that out.

Some people have said it was a well orchestrated attack because certain governmental forces want to ultimately disarm the public, and the only way to do that is to create enough of an uproar that millions of people will scream we need gun control and gun confiscation. The only way to create that uproar is to kill large amounts of people in a few well planned and orchestrated events, or just keep killing off 50 or 100 in multiple events. The things going on in this country by the evil group who want world control and one world government are beyond the pale.

I know that does not help you with your grief, you need to feel safe that they got the guy who did it, but the facts suggest he was not alone and that there is a big coverup going on and for that we should all be outraged that the 'they' who were involved are getting away with it.


jkeller - 10/7/2017 at 06:25 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Allright We really need to know. The shooter had another guest with him 4 days before the shooting. . When he ordered food, the waiter noted it on the receipt. So who was there and what was going on, and where is that other person now? Are they still at large, part of a bigger plan for more mass murder?

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-roo m-before-shooting/

The receipt shows an employee named Antonio served two guests an “IRD_MB,” which means “In Room Dining, Mandalay Bay.”

The table number is “32135” – which equates to Paddock’s room number (135) on the 32nd floor.

The date on the receipt also says September 27, whereas authorities assert that Paddock checked in the day after on September 28.

Paddock’s guest could not have been his girlfriend Marilou Danley because she was in the Philippines at the time.

The individual who posted the receipt appears to have deleted it from his Facebook page, although the page still shows that he works at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

Another source told Laura Loomer that the gunman actually checked in on September 25, three days before authorities said he did


REMARKS: WHY is there a discrepancy as to the date Mr. Paddock (the shooter) checked into the hotel? He ordered and ate food on the 27th, but authorities say he did not check in until the 28th? He was with another person on the 27th and they ordered food sent to his room. What is going on here?

[Edited on 10/6/2017 by gina]


This is a serious topic. Don't eff it up by bringing infowars into it.


They have a copy of the room service receipt showing that DAYS before the OFFICIAL story says the shooter was at the hotel, he WAS actually at the hotel and ordered food for his room.

The room service receipt shows there were TWO people registered for the room, although I will admit perhaps that is just the computer default because most hotels assume double occupancy.

NEXT, one of the days BEFORE the shooting he had an ADJONING room added to his bill, so THERE was more than just HIM there, and his wife/girlfriend was ALREADY in the PHILLIPINES, so don't tell me these things are NOT important.



As I showed you earlier, although you obviously either ignored or didn't read, that receipt is from 9/27 and he checked in on 9/28. And he didn't have an adjoining room, he had a large suite.


gina - 10/7/2017 at 07:17 PM

That's right the receipt is from 9/27 meaning he was there before the OFFICIAL report says he was, or someone else was there using his room. Either way, whether he had a friend using the room, who was it, where is that person, or the official story is not true about when he arrived. Other stories have said he arrived several days before the shooting because he had to bring all that equipment up there (weapons, ammo), you can't exactly fit a cache like that on a standard luggage rack can you?


jkeller - 10/7/2017 at 07:21 PM

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That's right the receipt is from 9/27 meaning he was there before the OFFICIAL report says he was, or someone else was there using his room. Either way, whether he had a friend using the room, who was it, where is that person, or the official story is not true about when he arrived. Other stories have said he arrived several days before the shooting because he had to bring all that equipment up there (weapons, ammo), you can't exactly fit a cache like that on a standard luggage rack can you?


He checked in on 9/28. The room was occupied by someone else on 9/27. What is so hard about that? And he did check in early. The shooting was on 10/2, 3 days afte4 he checked. Are you saying that you know more that the Las Vegas police?


gina - 10/12/2017 at 03:54 PM

I'm tired of your prosecutorial stance on anything. I pointed out anomalies. The stuff was ordered by HIM in his room as far as the articles suggest. There are more articles about things related to the event, but the bottom line is, those who were involved got away with it once again.


jkeller - 10/12/2017 at 04:56 PM

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I'm tired of your prosecutorial stance on anything. I pointed out anomalies. The stuff was ordered by HIM in his room as far as the articles suggest. There are more articles about things related to the event, but the bottom line is, those who were involved got away with it once again.



Too bad. The police stated the facts. Are you calling them liars? They have been holding press conferences almost daily dealing with the timeline of events. They are easily found online. It amazes me that someone who is miles away knows more than the people dealing with it. Maybe you should research rather than posting lies that fit your agenda. It usually takes about 3 minutes of research to prove you wrong. And I am far from the only person that calls out your BS.

[Edited on 10/12/2017 by jkeller]


BrerRabbit - 10/12/2017 at 05:08 PM

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Even our curse words, they have no translation in Spanish and no meaning in their culture.


¡ Caquita de la vaquita ! - Spanish, and all the Romantic languages, particularly French, are way more colorful and descriptive, and far superior to English when it comes to insults and cursing, here are some choice examples:


Idiot / Stupid

Spanish insults for times when a person's intelligence is in question.

Pinche idiota - F*ckin' idiot

Ugly

Spanish insults for times when a person's appearance is in question.

Tu madre es una puta fea - Your mother is an ugly bitch

Bastard / Son of a bitch / *sshole

Spanish name calling, generally directed at males.

Bastardo - Bastard
Besa mi culo, puto - Kiss my *ss, Bitch
Hijo de puta - Son of a Bitch
Hijo de tu puta madre - Son of a Bitch
Pendejo - Jackass / **** (pendejo means "pubic hair", used liberally , the way we say "*sshole)
Puto - Male prostitute / Man whore

Bitch / Whore / Slut / C*nt

Spanish name calling, generally directed at females.

Perra - Bitch
Pinche puta - F*ckin' bitch
Puta - Bitch / Whore
Tu madre es una puta - Your mom is a whore
Tu madre es una puta fea - Your mother is an ugly bitch
Yo cago en la leche de tu puta madre - I sh*t in your whore mother's milk

*ss / D*ck / C*nt / Groin

Spanish for cursing the body parts.

Besa mi culo, puto - Kiss my *ss, Bitch
Beso mi culo - Kiss my *ss
Besame el culo - Kiss my *ss
Culo - *ss
La concha de tu madre - Your mother's c*nt
La concha tuya - Your c*nt
La ingle - Groin
Me encanta tu culo - I love your *ss
Métetelo por el culo - Stick it up your arse
Pendejo - Jackass / *sshole
Tu hermano no tiene la ingle - Your brother has no groin
Verga - D*ck
Vete a la verga culero - F*ck you **** (Lit. Go to a d*ck)
Vete a la mierda! - Kiss my *ss!

Sh*t

One of the "dirtier" Spanish swear words. Bad pun, I know.

Cagaste y saltaste en la caca - You sh*t and jumped in it
Cago en tu leche - I sh*t in your milk
Caquita de la vaquita - Cow sh*t
Hueles a mierda - You smell like sh*t
Me cago en la leche! - Sh*t I've had bad luck! (literally "I sh*t in the milk")
Mierda - Sh*t
Yo cago en la leche de tu puta madre - I sh*t in your whore mother's milk

F*ck

The all-round, multi-purpose swear word.

Cabron - Mother f*cker
Chinga tu hermana - F"ck your sister
Chinga tu madre - F*ck your mom/mother
Chinga usted - F*ck you
Chingate - F*ck you / Go f*ck yourself
Cojeme - F*ck me
Jode tu madre ayer noche - I f*cked your mother last night
Joder - To f*ck (As in having sex)
No me jodas - Don't f"ck with me
Pinche idiota - F*ckin' idiot
Pinche puta - F*ckin' bitch
Qué chingados!!! - What the f*ck?!
Vete a la verga culero - F*ck you **** (Lit. Go to a d*ck)
Vete a la verga ruco/ruca - F"ck you senor/senorita
Yo chingé a tu madre - I f*cked your mother

Yo Momma

Because nothing gets a person fired up like insulting their mother in Spanish.

Chinga tu madre - F*ck your mom/mother
Jode tu madre ayer noche - I f*cked your mother last night
La concha de tu madre - Your mother's c*nt
Tu madre es una puta - Your mom is a whore
Tu madre es una puta fea - Your mother is an ugly bitch
Yo cago en la leche de tu puta madre - I sh*t in your whore mother's milk
Yo chingé a tu madre - I f*cked your mother

Horny

Or maybe all these Spanish insults and swears have had another affect?

Cachondo - Horny
Estoy Cachondo - I am horny
Tengo ganas - I am horny
Tienes ganas? - Are you horny? (literally 'Are you in the mood?')


[Edited on 10/13/2017 by BrerRabbit]


gina - 10/13/2017 at 11:34 PM

Never mind, you did cover the one I thought you missed (pendejo). Actually there is one I do not see on your list, "conjo", (pronounce cone-yo) I was told there really was not an American translation for it, but it sort of is like wtf.



[Edited on 10/13/2017 by gina]


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