Thread: Anitifa violence

Muleman1994 - 8/16/2017 at 04:06 PM

CNN Fails To Mention Antifa Violence In Explainer Piece
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/15/cnn-fails-to-mention-antifa-violence-in-e xplainer-piece/


The Roots of Left-Wing Violence
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448275/antifa-protest-donald-trump-ro ots-left-wing-political-violence


Where Has the Press and Obama Been During Antifa and BLM Violence — Part One
http://conservativefiringline.com/where-has-the-press-and-obama-been-during -antifa-and-blm-violence-part-one-video/


Antifa Website Calls for Violence Against Trump Supporters
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/21/its-going-down-antifa-website-calls-v iolence-against-trump-supporters-capitalists


WATCH: This Video Shows Violence From Antifa In Charlottesville
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19685/watch-video-shows-violence-antifa-charl ottesville-robert-kraychik


Who is Behind the Police Decision to Ignore and Allow Fascist Antifa Violence at Events Around the US?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/draft-who-is-behind-the-police-step ping-aside-and-ignoring-facist-antifa-violence-at-events-around-the-us/


NY Times Reporter Admits Antifa Protesters In Charlottesville Were 'Hate-Filled' And Violent Before Left Forces Her To Backtrack
"I saw club-wielding 'antifa' beating white nationalists being led out of the park."
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19673/ny-times-reporter-admits-antifa-protest ers-james-barrett


Female Reporter for The Hill Allegedly Punched by ‘Antifa’ Protester in Charlottesville
http://rinf.com/alt-news/newswire/female-reporter-for-the-hill-allegedly-pu nched-by-antifa-protester-in-charlottesville/


BoytonBrother - 8/16/2017 at 04:17 PM

All fake news - you fell for it again! Go away loser.


BoytonBrother - 8/16/2017 at 04:20 PM

Yummy!



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Combine 1 1/2 cups flour, 3/4 cup sugar, salt and baking powder. Place vegetable oil into a 1 cup measuring cup; add the egg and enough milk to fill the cup. Mix this with flour mixture. Fold in blueberries. Fill muffin cups right to the top, and sprinkle with crumb topping mixture.
To Make Crumb Topping: Mix together 1/2 cup sugar, 1/3 cup flour, 1/4 cup butter, and 1 1/2 teaspoons cinnamon. Mix with fork, and sprinkle over muffins before baking.
Bake for 20 to 25 minutes in the preheated oven, or until done.
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pops42 - 8/16/2017 at 04:29 PM

Why isn't klan-turd banned yet?


Muleman1994 - 8/16/2017 at 05:12 PM

quote:
Why isn't klan-turd banned yet?


What is the matter pops, can't handle the truth?

BTW - The KKK is a Democrat thing. Ask. Sen. Byrd.


LeglizHemp - 8/16/2017 at 05:20 PM

RACIST SCUM GO AWAY


pops42 - 8/16/2017 at 05:21 PM

quote:
quote:
Why isn't klan-turd banned yet?


What is the matter pops, can't handle the truth?

BTW - The KKK is a Democrat thing. Ask. Sen. Byrd.


YOU are a punk, and an Un-American P.O.S., there the truth for YA.


2112 - 8/16/2017 at 05:38 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Why isn't klan-turd banned yet?


What is the matter pops, can't handle the truth?

BTW - The KKK is a Democrat thing. Ask. Sen. Byrd.


YOU are a punk, and an Un-American P.O.S., there the truth for YA.


I think Mule is upset because he is having trouble getting pee stains out of his white outfit.


BrerRabbit - 8/16/2017 at 05:54 PM


Yeah, get a bottle of liquor so you can steel your nerves to fight the good fight on a dwindling subforum of a music website of a defunct rock band. Real tough frontline tour of duty.

Yep, the Whipping Post, the Gettysburg of HTW. The last stand of the great white heroes. Onward Christian Soldiers. Chaaaaaaaarge!!!!


BrerRabbit - 8/16/2017 at 06:19 PM

Haha good one. No man, really just wondering why all the apologetics.


BoytonBrother - 8/16/2017 at 06:58 PM

Theo, if you hate half of your fellow Americans because of their political belief, doesn't that make you a liberal?


heineken515 - 8/16/2017 at 07:12 PM

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-violen t-left/534192/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/what-trump-gets-wrong- about-antifa/537048/


goldtop - 8/16/2017 at 07:32 PM

Mule you have a selective memory of the democratic party....yes the KKK was established back when the democrats were the dixiecrats...I guess you don't remember when Lyndon Johnson came to the lead on civil rights and the KKK then moved to the republican party as which they now stand and vote with....march in the name of and hail their chief hater DT

You like to make up thing to justify your vile positions...I guess you haven't had any WWII veterans in your family


BrerRabbit - 8/18/2017 at 06:21 AM


PhotoRon286 - 8/18/2017 at 03:08 PM

quote:

Yeah, get a bottle of liquor so you can steel your nerves to fight the good fight on a dwindling subforum of a music website of a defunct rock band. Real tough frontline tour of duty.

Yep, the Whipping Post, the Gettysburg of HTW. The last stand of the great white heroes. Onward Christian Soldiers. Chaaaaaaaarge!!!!



HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!

Perfect!


Muleman1994 - 8/19/2017 at 02:02 AM

So why is it that no WP leftie will condemn the violent Antifa terrorists.
Is it because they are far-left extremists just like yourselves?

Do you approve of violence as long as it is done in line with your political agenda?


BrerRabbit - 8/19/2017 at 02:53 AM

Don't know, man, why don't you just keep digging that hole.


bobbysuede - 8/19/2017 at 08:38 PM

quote:
CNN Fails To Mention Antifa Violence In Explainer Piece
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/15/cnn-fails-to-mention-antifa-violence-in-e xplainer-piece/


The Roots of Left-Wing Violence
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448275/antifa-protest-donald-trump-ro ots-left-wing-political-violence


Where Has the Press and Obama Been During Antifa and BLM Violence — Part One
http://conservativefiringline.com/where-has-the-press-and-obama-been-during -antifa-and-blm-violence-part-one-video/


Antifa Website Calls for Violence Against Trump Supporters
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/21/its-going-down-antifa-website-calls-v iolence-against-trump-supporters-capitalists


WATCH: This Video Shows Violence From Antifa In Charlottesville
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19685/watch-video-shows-violence-antifa-charl ottesville-robert-kraychik


Who is Behind the Police Decision to Ignore and Allow Fascist Antifa Violence at Events Around the US?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/draft-who-is-behind-the-police-step ping-aside-and-ignoring-facist-antifa-violence-at-events-around-the-us/


NY Times Reporter Admits Antifa Protesters In Charlottesville Were 'Hate-Filled' And Violent Before Left Forces Her To Backtrack
"I saw club-wielding 'antifa' beating white nationalists being led out of the park."
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19673/ny-times-reporter-admits-antifa-protest ers-james-barrett


Female Reporter for The Hill Allegedly Punched by ‘Antifa’ Protester in Charlottesville
http://rinf.com/alt-news/newswire/female-reporter-for-the-hill-allegedly-pu nched-by-antifa-protester-in-charlottesville/




I'l play.
The Antifa (what a stupid f***** label) or whatever you want to call that group of violent
leftist/anarchists/lunatic seem as f****d up as the Neo-Nazis!!!!! The extremists at Berkeley are also a problem. Whatever name you want to give them is fine. Extremists are the problem. Who is worse is debatable imo. Only one group killed a person in Virginia last week though so.....

Muletick, are you afraid of losing your job or social place to a jew?
How bout a colored? You got a problem with dem?
Last one. Are jews considered white?

[Edited on 8/19/2017 by bobbysuede]


BoytonBrother - 8/19/2017 at 09:54 PM

quote:
So why is it that no WP leftie will condemn the violent Antifa terrorists.
Is it because they are far-left extremists just like yourselves?


No. It's because only a moron like yourself needs the obvious pointed out to you. Do you need someone to tell you the weather each morning too loser? What a stupid question.


jkeller - 8/19/2017 at 10:37 PM

Hey mule, do you support the neonazis?


BrerRabbit - 8/19/2017 at 11:01 PM

No he just thinks people driving cars into crowds is a non-issue.

[Edited on 8/19/2017 by BrerRabbit]


Jerry - 8/20/2017 at 01:31 AM

quote:
quote:
So why is it that no WP leftie will condemn the violent Antifa terrorists.
Is it because they are far-left extremists just like yourselves?


No. It's because only a moron like yourself needs the obvious pointed out to you. Do you need someone to tell you the weather each morning too loser? What a stupid question.




Boyton, why don't you point out the obvious for us, like, in detail, so we'll all know what is being non-discussed
here.

As far as the Antifa (Short for Anti-Facist) violence is being considered, did any one watch 20/20 on ABC last night.
We all know ABC is extremely far from being right wing, but they showed how Antifa did random attacks on people wearing Trump t-shirts, smashed windows of a Starbucks and a bank (because they weren't allowed to
fight with who they were protesting against), and declared that they were not only going to shout down protests, but SHUT THEM DOWN. In other words, prevent others from protesting.
A white supremacist was standing on a sidewalk, no rally or demonstration at the time, and was talking to one of the reporters-on camera-and an Antifa member ran up and struck him on the side of the head.

When the Antifa leader was asked why they broke the windows out of businesses that were no where in the area of the demonstration, she said "Windows break all the time."

They are a violence group, not a protest group.


BoytonBrother - 8/20/2017 at 01:45 AM

quote:
Boyton, why don't you point out the obvious for us, like, in detail, so we'll all know what is being non-discussed
here.


What's so difficult? Violence is violence. If anyone, regardless of party, initiates threats, intimidation, harassment, or violence, they are in the wrong and should be prosecuted accordingly after due process. If you think I advocate this from the left, go see my other thread where I condemned the left for fighting in Charlottesville.


Jerry - 8/20/2017 at 01:51 AM

quote:
quote:
Boyton, why don't you point out the obvious for us, like, in detail, so we'll all know what is being non-discussed
here.


What's so difficult? Violence is violence. If anyone, regardless of party, initiates threats, intimidation, harassment, or violence, they are in the wrong and should be prosecuted accordingly after due process. If you think I advocate this from the left, go see my other thread where I condemned the left for fighting in Charlottesville.


So why are the counter protestors deified when the Antifa group spouted their hate filled rhetoric trying to incite violence?


BoytonBrother - 8/20/2017 at 02:14 AM

Sounds like 2 completely different scenarios. Antifa appears to be premeditated coordinated harassment and violence - a serious crime. Two groups that came to protest, but escalated into a brawl, holds no premeditation - nor was violence planned or expected, IMO. It seems impossible to tell which side initiated the violence. I would imagine both sides got extremely heated and a fight broke out. That's monumentally different than planned coordinated attacks. Our judicial system measures the severity of a crime with this data. If antifa started the violence in Charlottesville, are there police reports to verify that? If not, it was merely a brawl.


BIGV - 8/20/2017 at 09:04 AM

I love the left's rationale here. "You are saying something I vehemently disagree with, therefore you are wrong and if it takes violence on my part to shut you up, so be it. If that doesn't work I will resort to name calling and more violence, because, you are wrong"


BoytonBrother - 8/20/2017 at 12:45 PM

only a fool would label those people "the left". How can a grown man not realize that at your stage in life? Do you really believe that all people of a certain political belief have that sentiment? Or do you think it might be that there are fools on all sides of the spectrum? Wake up bro. You ain't getting any younger.


BIGV - 8/20/2017 at 09:33 PM

quote:
only a fool would label those people "the left". How can a grown man not realize that at your stage in life? Do you really believe that all people of a certain political belief have that sentiment? Or do you think it might be that there are fools on all sides of the spectrum? Wake up bro. You ain't getting any younger.


All?......No. Do I realize this is a generalization?...Sure I do.

Do you?

Lighten up Mr. Buzz Kill


gina - 8/20/2017 at 10:12 PM


People are being set up for a race war, but it is a set up, who wins in the end? The Deep State. They just use demonstrations to stir things up, get people riled up and out of control, but in the end, THEY WIN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAVD_oAMlq8
James Welsey Rawles - Deep State Taking Things to the Next Level


BrerRabbit - 8/20/2017 at 10:18 PM

Bullsh!t, the only forces pushing race war are ignorant white supremacist attitudes such as you have displayed here numerous times. Your denial of Africa being the cradle of humanity would have been hilarious if not so incredibly nauseating and stupid.

[Edited on 8/20/2017 by BrerRabbit]


Jerry - 8/21/2017 at 01:33 AM

quote:
Bullsh!t, the only forces pushing race war are ignorant white supremacist attitudes such as you have displayed here numerous times. Your denial of Africa being the cradle of humanity would have been hilarious if not so incredibly nauseating and stupid.

[Edited on 8/20/2017 by BrerRabbit]


You need to get on a few other sites and check them out once in a while. Might get an education.


BrerRabbit - 8/21/2017 at 05:28 AM

Ok will do. Care to recommend a few?


Bhawk - 8/21/2017 at 03:17 PM

"Liberals are nothing but violent anarchists that care nothing about our country or Constitution. I'm not talking about you, though."


pops42 - 8/21/2017 at 03:22 PM

quote:
quote:
Bullsh!t, the only forces pushing race war are ignorant white supremacist attitudes such as you have displayed here numerous times. Your denial of Africa being the cradle of humanity would have been hilarious if not so incredibly nauseating and stupid.

[Edited on 8/20/2017 by BrerRabbit]


You need to get on a few other sites and check them out once in a while. Might get an education.
A fascist or klan site?.



[Edited on 8/21/2017 by pops42]


BIGV - 8/21/2017 at 03:55 PM

quote:
"Liberals are nothing but violent anarchists that care nothing about our country or Constitution. I'm not talking about you, though."


Depending on the opinions and actions one sees fit to act upon and espouse, I could very easily be referring to you with no problem at all.


Bhawk - 8/21/2017 at 04:24 PM

quote:
quote:
"Liberals are nothing but violent anarchists that care nothing about our country or Constitution. I'm not talking about you, though."


Depending on the opinions and actions one sees fit to act upon and espouse, I could very easily be referring to you with no problem at all.


Aw, Vince, I already know you don't like me or any other liberal. No need to be vague.


BIGV - 8/21/2017 at 04:35 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
"Liberals are nothing but violent anarchists that care nothing about our country or Constitution. I'm not talking about you, though."


Depending on the opinions and actions one sees fit to act upon and espouse, I could very easily be referring to you with no problem at all.


Aw, Vince, I already know you don't like me or any other liberal. No need to be vague.


Talk about generalizations, have we ever met?...Sure we differ on some viewpoints, but to infer that I "Don't like you" is a reach. Add, it's not that I don't like liberals: some of the views and impulse reactions are difficult for me to grasp.


Jerry - 8/22/2017 at 01:56 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Bullsh!t, the only forces pushing race war are ignorant white supremacist attitudes such as you have displayed here numerous times. Your denial of Africa being the cradle of humanity would have been hilarious if not so incredibly nauseating and stupid.

[Edited on 8/20/2017 by BrerRabbit]


You need to get on a few other sites and check them out once in a while. Might get an education.
A fascist or klan site?.

[Edited on 8/21/2017 by pops42]


You could probably send a few links Pops.


pops42 - 8/22/2017 at 02:59 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Bullsh!t, the only forces pushing race war are ignorant white supremacist attitudes such as you have displayed here numerous times. Your denial of Africa being the cradle of humanity would have been hilarious if not so incredibly nauseating and stupid.

[Edited on 8/20/2017 by BrerRabbit]


You need to get on a few other sites and check them out once in a while. Might get an education.
A fascist or klan site?.

[Edited on 8/21/2017 by pops42]


You could probably send a few links Pops.
whatever you say, half-wit.


BrerRabbit - 8/22/2017 at 03:43 PM

Still waiting for some leads on websites for education, particularly any that will offer a rational challenge to things like human evolution originating in Africa.

Seriously, I will check them out. I am still working on my B.G. (Bachelor of Google)


Muleman1994 - 8/22/2017 at 03:50 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
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Bullsh!t, the only forces pushing race war are ignorant white supremacist attitudes such as you have displayed here numerous times. Your denial of Africa being the cradle of humanity would have been hilarious if not so incredibly nauseating and stupid.

[Edited on 8/20/2017 by BrerRabbit]


You need to get on a few other sites and check them out once in a while. Might get an education.
A fascist or klan site?.

[Edited on 8/21/2017 by pops42]


You could probably send a few links Pops.



The violent left-wing domestic terrorists Antifa, supported by George Soros, are also supported by the lefties here.

The only people who pay any attentions to the White Supremacists and The Nazis are the left-wing extremists and the corrupt liberal media when they try to use it to divide the country.


BrerRabbit - 8/22/2017 at 04:34 PM

quote:
The only people who pay any attentions to the White Supremacists and The Nazis are the left-wing extremists and the corrupt liberal media when they try to use it to divide the country.


Yeah for sure man, it is those satanic left wing extremists who aren't trying to bury the murder by car.


BrerRabbit - 8/22/2017 at 04:36 PM

You know what - I'm done sparring and being sarcastic here. You are a beast.

GFY you nazi slimebag.


Jerry - 8/22/2017 at 04:54 PM

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quote:
The only people who pay any attentions to the White Supremacists and The Nazis are the left-wing extremists and the corrupt liberal media when they try to use it to divide the country.


Yeah for sure man, it is those satanic left wing extremists who aren't trying to bury the murder by car.



You're saying the guy was a left wing extremist?

Actually, I'm just showing how posts in this thread have been turned around to suit what others think.


pops42 - 8/22/2017 at 05:11 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Bullsh!t, the only forces pushing race war are ignorant white supremacist attitudes such as you have displayed here numerous times. Your denial of Africa being the cradle of humanity would have been hilarious if not so incredibly nauseating and stupid.

[Edited on 8/20/2017 by BrerRabbit]


You need to get on a few other sites and check them out once in a while. Might get an education.
A fascist or klan site?.

[Edited on 8/21/2017 by pops42]


You could probably send a few links Pops.



The violent left-wing domestic terrorists Antifa, supported by George Soros, are also supported by the lefties here.

The only people who pay any attentions to the White Supremacists and The Nazis are the left-wing extremists and the corrupt liberal media when they try to use it to divide the country.


Kaptain Klown Kluless strikes again.


jkeller - 8/22/2017 at 05:54 PM

quote:
quote:
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The only people who pay any attentions to the White Supremacists and The Nazis are the left-wing extremists and the corrupt liberal media when they try to use it to divide the country.


Yeah for sure man, it is those satanic left wing extremists who aren't trying to bury the murder by car.



You're saying the guy was a left wing extremist?

Actually, I'm just showing how posts in this thread have been turned around to suit what others think.


Sarcasm goes over your head.


Jerry - 8/23/2017 at 04:03 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The only people who pay any attentions to the White Supremacists and The Nazis are the left-wing extremists and the corrupt liberal media when they try to use it to divide the country.


Yeah for sure man, it is those satanic left wing extremists who aren't trying to bury the murder by car.



You're saying the guy was a left wing extremist?

Actually, I'm just showing how posts in this thread have been turned around to suit what others think.


Sarcasm goes over your head.


You wouldn't have know if I hadn't pointed it out.


Muleman1994 - 8/23/2017 at 02:10 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
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The only people who pay any attentions to the White Supremacists and The Nazis are the left-wing extremists and the corrupt liberal media when they try to use it to divide the country.


Yeah for sure man, it is those satanic left wing extremists who aren't trying to bury the murder by car.



You're saying the guy was a left wing extremist?

Actually, I'm just showing how posts in this thread have been turned around to suit what others think.


Sarcasm goes over your head.


You wouldn't have know if I hadn't pointed it out.


The W/P lefties do not have the courage to admit they support the Domestic Terrorists Antifa and Black Lies Matter killers.


BoytonBrother - 8/23/2017 at 04:32 PM

Mule needs a tissue today. Have you ever kissed a girl? I'm seriously asking.


pops42 - 8/23/2017 at 04:32 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
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The only people who pay any attentions to the White Supremacists and The Nazis are the left-wing extremists and the corrupt liberal media when they try to use it to divide the country.


Yeah for sure man, it is those satanic left wing extremists who aren't trying to bury the murder by car.



You're saying the guy was a left wing extremist?

Actually, I'm just showing how posts in this thread have been turned around to suit what others think.


Sarcasm goes over your head.


You wouldn't have know if I hadn't pointed it out.


The W/P lefties do not have the courage to admit they support the Domestic Terrorists Antifa and Black Lies Matter killers.

Go burn a cross!, ku klux koward


BillyBlastoff - 8/23/2017 at 05:08 PM

quote:
The W/P lefties do not have the courage to admit they support the Domestic Terrorists Antifa and Black Lies Matter killers.



All you got is lies you commie, pinko, traitorous pig.


gina - 8/26/2017 at 12:05 AM

PHILLY? An Armed Antifa group in PHLLY? No, No, No, this has got to stop.

An armed Antifa group is launching a new cell in Philadelphia, with support from the “alt-left” alternative media.

The group currently hosts anti-police workshops called “Our Enemies in Blue.” The group draws inspiration from convicted murderers and calls for violence against the police, theft of goods, and armed insurrection.

Antifa websites like It’s Going Down, Sub.Media and Insurrection News have been promoting the group, which calls itself the Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement, calling on their readers to donate to a Fundrazr account for the creation of the new cell.

The press release the group published in far-left media is filled with hyperbolic claims about how “mosques are being ruthlessly bombed” and how “LGBTQ are being battered.”

https://www.infowars.com/antifa-has-a-new-cell-in-philly-and-theyre-calling -for-property-seizures-violence-on-police-and-all-out-revolution/


jkeller - 8/26/2017 at 12:13 AM

quote:
PHILLY? An Armed Antifa group in PHLLY? No, No, No, this has got to stop.

An armed Antifa group is launching a new cell in Philadelphia, with support from the “alt-left” alternative media.

The group currently hosts anti-police workshops called “Our Enemies in Blue.” The group draws inspiration from convicted murderers and calls for violence against the police, theft of goods, and armed insurrection.

Antifa websites like It’s Going Down, Sub.Media and Insurrection News have been promoting the group, which calls itself the Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement, calling on their readers to donate to a Fundrazr account for the creation of the new cell.

The press release the group published in far-left media is filled with hyperbolic claims about how “mosques are being ruthlessly bombed” and how “LGBTQ are being battered.”

https://www.infowars.com/antifa-has-a-new-cell-in-philly-and-theyre-calling -for-property-seizures-violence-on-police-and-all-out-revolution/




Infowars? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


gina - 8/26/2017 at 04:04 PM

It won't be no ha ha ha if Antifa violence comes to your neighborhood, and Philly is too close to NY for me.


gina - 8/26/2017 at 05:48 PM

quote:
Bullsh!t, the only forces pushing race war are ignorant white supremacist attitudes such as you have displayed here numerous times. Your denial of Africa being the cradle of humanity would have been hilarious if not so incredibly nauseating and stupid.

[Edited on 8/20/2017 by BrerRabbit]


http://brutalproof.net/2017/01/george-soros-rent-a-mob/

The website has posted several backpage ads with the headline “Get paid fighting against Trump!” There are also claims that the grassroots organization will pay protesters $50 per hour and an additional $2,500 per month if they show up to at least six events a year, and they are “seeking operatives to help send a strong message at upcoming inauguration protests.”


pops42 - 8/26/2017 at 07:10 PM

quote:
quote:
Bullsh!t, the only forces pushing race war are ignorant white supremacist attitudes such as you have displayed here numerous times. Your denial of Africa being the cradle of humanity would have been hilarious if not so incredibly nauseating and stupid.

[Edited on 8/20/2017 by BrerRabbit]


http://brutalproof.net/2017/01/george-soros-rent-a-mob/

The website has posted several backpage ads with the headline “Get paid fighting against Trump!” There are also claims that the grassroots organization will pay protesters $50 per hour and an additional $2,500 per month if they show up to at least six events a year, and they are “seeking operatives to help send a strong message at upcoming inauguration protests.”


Wacko


BrerRabbit - 8/26/2017 at 07:29 PM

Like anyone should feel ok clicking the links you post. Your computer must be riddled with viruses from all the junkyard sites you browse, it must take you all your free time digging these fringe sites up. Eat, sleep, work, browse through sea of barf, lather, rinse, repeat, ad nauseum.


Jerry - 8/27/2017 at 01:32 AM

quote:
quote:
Bullsh!t, the only forces pushing race war are ignorant white supremacist attitudes such as you have displayed here numerous times. Your denial of Africa being the cradle of humanity would have been hilarious if not so incredibly nauseating and stupid.

[Edited on 8/20/2017 by BrerRabbit]


http://brutalproof.net/2017/01/george-soros-rent-a-mob/

The website has posted several backpage ads with the headline “Get paid fighting against Trump!” There are also claims that the grassroots organization will pay protesters $50 per hour and an additional $2,500 per month if they show up to at least six events a year, and they are “seeking operatives to help send a strong message at upcoming inauguration protests.”




Hey, great pay for retired folks.
Newscaster: Just why are you protesting ______ today?
Me: Don't know, don't care, as long as I get my 50 bucks an hour for standing here holding this sign.
Newscaster: What if it's something you don't believe in?
Me: Well see, I've got this other sign in my car that I would tape over it. Says, Wanna make $50 an hour? Call 1-877-%^&*@*^. with their website at the bottom.


2112 - 8/27/2017 at 03:54 AM

quote:
quote:
Bullsh!t, the only forces pushing race war are ignorant white supremacist attitudes such as you have displayed here numerous times. Your denial of Africa being the cradle of humanity would have been hilarious if not so incredibly nauseating and stupid.

[Edited on 8/20/2017 by BrerRabbit]


http://brutalproof.net/2017/01/george-soros-rent-a-mob/

The website has posted several backpage ads with the headline “Get paid fighting against Trump!” There are also claims that the grassroots organization will pay protesters $50 per hour and an additional $2,500 per month if they show up to at least six events a year, and they are “seeking operatives to help send a strong message at upcoming inauguration protests.”




Those ads are about as legit as that receipt showing someone buying lobsters with food stamps. Finding people to protest against Trump for free is the easiest thing on the planet. Nobody has to pay anyone a dime.

The same goes the other way. There are plenty of Trump supporters out there these days that nobody has no pay anyone to show up at a Trump campaign rally. Except maybe that guy holding up the "Blacks for Trump" sign. Have to admit that guy might have gotten paid.


BrerRabbit - 8/27/2017 at 08:27 PM

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that receipt showing someone buying lobsters with food stamps


Man you need glasses - that wasn't a receipt, it was a ballot cast for trump, and the lobster was the Lobster Boy himself.

[Edited on 8/27/2017 by BrerRabbit]


Jerry - 8/27/2017 at 09:26 PM




Those ads are about as legit as that receipt showing someone buying lobsters with food stamps. Finding people to protest against Trump for free is the easiest thing on the planet. Nobody has to pay anyone a dime.

The same goes the other way. There are plenty of Trump supporters out there these days that nobody has no pay anyone to show up at a Trump campaign rally. Except maybe that guy holding up the "Blacks for Trump" sign. Have to admit that guy might have gotten paid.


You mean I can't get $50 an hour for holding a sign?


pops42 - 8/27/2017 at 09:34 PM

quote:



Those ads are about as legit as that receipt showing someone buying lobsters with food stamps. Finding people to protest against Trump for free is the easiest thing on the planet. Nobody has to pay anyone a dime.

The same goes the other way. There are plenty of Trump supporters out there these days that nobody has no pay anyone to show up at a Trump campaign rally. Except maybe that guy holding up the "Blacks for Trump" sign. Have to admit that guy might have gotten paid.


You mean I can't get $50 an hour for holding a sign?
If the sign read: "B.J's $50" depending on how motivated You are you might make more!.

[Edited on 8/27/2017 by pops42]


Jerry - 8/27/2017 at 09:38 PM

quote:
quote:



Those ads are about as legit as that receipt showing someone buying lobsters with food stamps. Finding people to protest against Trump for free is the easiest thing on the planet. Nobody has to pay anyone a dime.

The same goes the other way. There are plenty of Trump supporters out there these days that nobody has no pay anyone to show up at a Trump campaign rally. Except maybe that guy holding up the "Blacks for Trump" sign. Have to admit that guy might have gotten paid.


You mean I can't get $50 an hour for holding a sign?
If the sign read: "B.J's, $50" depending on how motivated You are!.


When did BJ's bar and Grill have a $50 cover charge?


BrerRabbit - 8/27/2017 at 10:41 PM

When they let muleklan set up his fascist glory hole out back.


Jerry - 8/30/2017 at 03:35 AM

But I want my $50 an hour for fake protesting!!


Sang - 8/30/2017 at 03:54 AM

Or for faking it at a Trump rally...............


BrerRabbit - 8/30/2017 at 03:57 AM

Haha!!!! LOL you'll be protesting all right, not fake, real, you get back to BJ's Bar and Grill, protesting fierce if you hit muleklan's fascist glory hole, it's them jagged broke rotten hillbilly teeth'll cause it.


BIGV - 8/30/2017 at 05:37 PM

Funny, all this reference from the left pertaining to the Klan...

Why do the "Antifas" wear masks, hoods and sunglasses?

Hypocrites


BrerRabbit - 8/30/2017 at 11:16 PM

Man I am in a bad mood - been huffin burning forest for a month now.

Apologize if I have offended anyone. I was trying to. Sorry.


BoytonBrother - 8/30/2017 at 11:23 PM

quote:
Funny, all this reference from the left pertaining to the Klan...

Why do the "Antifas" wear masks, hoods and sunglasses?

Hypocrites


I think the reference from the left was disgust and opposition. Are you saying the right doesn't make these "references"? Hilarious. Connecting a fringe group to the left is as foolish as connecting neo-nazis to conservatives, but keep on demonstrating it for us.


BrerRabbit - 8/31/2017 at 12:04 AM

Seems to me the gal getting hit by the car and all those folks getting injured sort of got lost in the fog there. That was just out of control, and no, it certainly did not represent the values of anyone. Except maybe whatever drug company was profiting from the SSRI that zombie was on at the time.


BIGV - 8/31/2017 at 12:27 AM

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quote:
Funny, all this reference from the left pertaining to the Klan...

Why do the "Antifas" wear masks, hoods and sunglasses?

Hypocrites


I think the reference from the left was disgust and opposition. Are you saying the right doesn't make these "references"? Hilarious. Connecting a fringe group to the left is as foolish as connecting neo-nazis to conservatives, but keep on demonstrating it for us.
.

Well, if you refer to the President as a Fascist, call yourselves "Anti-Fascist " violently attack supporters of the President all while covering your face, please tell us who these people represent?


BoytonBrother - 8/31/2017 at 01:21 AM

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Well, if you refer to the President as a Fascist, call yourselves "Anti-Fascist " violently attack supporters of the President all while covering your face, please tell us who these people represent?


Figures of their own imagination. They are delinquents that use politics as an excuse to deal with their misery. Because THEY say they represent liberalism, it has to be true? Who are the alt-right neo-nazis representing....conservatism? I don't think so.


BIGV - 8/31/2017 at 05:47 PM

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quote:
Well, if you refer to the President as a Fascist, call yourselves "Anti-Fascist " violently attack supporters of the President all while covering your face, please tell us who these people represent?


Figures of their own imagination. They are delinquents that use politics as an excuse to deal with their misery. Because THEY say they represent liberalism, it has to be true? Who are the alt-right neo-nazis representing....conservatism? I don't think so.


Fair enough


BIGV - 8/31/2017 at 05:53 PM

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Hey mule, do you support the neonazis?


I am going to quote someone here, (Boynton Brother, whose opinion I rarely agree with) who had this to say about the "opposite side of the fence"...Meaning to me that if you don't agree with "A", it does not definitively mean you have chosen "B".

About "Antifa" and whether or not they are "leftists"....

quote:
Figures of their own imagination. They are delinquents that use politics as an excuse to deal with their misery. Because THEY say they represent liberalism, it has to be true? Who are the alt-right neo-nazis representing....conservatism? I don't think so.



KCJimmy - 8/31/2017 at 08:44 PM

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quote:
Hey mule, do you support the neonazis?


I am going to quote someone here, (Boynton Brother, whose opinion I rarely agree with) who had this to say about the "opposite side of the fence"...Meaning to me that if you don't agree with "A", it does not definitively mean you have chosen "B".

About "Antifa" and whether or not they are "leftists"....

quote:
Figures of their own imagination. They are delinquents that use politics as an excuse to deal with their misery. Because THEY say they represent liberalism, it has to be true? Who are the alt-right neo-nazis representing....conservatism? I don't think so.



Nice Job! looks like I'm not needed here.





[Edited on 9/1/2017 by KCJimmy]


Jerry - 9/1/2017 at 12:33 AM

I liked watching Pelosi when she condemned Antifa for the senseless violence in Berkley.


Bhawk - 9/1/2017 at 02:19 AM

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Who are the alt-right neo-nazis representing....conservatism?


Conservatives never condemn them, so...perhaps they do.


KCJimmy - 9/1/2017 at 12:57 PM

quote:
Figures of their own imagination. They are delinquents that use politics as an excuse to deal with their misery. Because THEY say they represent liberalism, it has to be true? Who are the alt-right neo-nazis representing....conservatism? I don't think so.
Bhawk... I fixed this for you. You left off the most important part of the "QUOTE". You know the part where he got it right? Then you added a false statement to make it even more misleading. I think you have a bright future ahead of you at CNN!


Bhawk - 9/1/2017 at 06:02 PM

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quote:
Figures of their own imagination. They are delinquents that use politics as an excuse to deal with their misery. Because THEY say they represent liberalism, it has to be true? Who are the alt-right neo-nazis representing....conservatism? I don't think so.
Bhawk... I fixed this for you. You left off the most important part of the "QUOTE". You know the part where he got it right? Then you added a false statement to make it even more misleading. I think you have a bright future ahead of you at CNN!


What makes it false? My opinion is as valid as yours!


BrerRabbit - 9/1/2017 at 06:24 PM

So it looks like the conservative version of disagreeing is to accuse you of making up fake news.

Hey, my pointless and counterproductive generalizations are just as dumb as yours!

[Edited on 9/1/2017 by BrerRabbit]


Bhawk - 9/1/2017 at 06:37 PM

quote:
So it looks like the conservative version of disagreeing is to accuse you of making up fake news.

Hey, my pointless and counterproductive generalizations are just as dumb as yours!



It's the same point I've been typing out here for years, I'll probably never stop.

There are thousands of examples of "the left" and "the liberals" being referred to as being a part of a single, uni-minded entity, open for whatever all-encompassing criticism there is, no matter how vile.

Tell you what, though, flip it around and do the same thing to "the right" or "the conservatives" then, hoo boy, look out. You never know who gets outraged and feels compelled to respond, even if they rarely post in the WP.

Goose/gander, all that. Unproductive? That ship sailed long ago when it comes to politics.


BrerRabbit - 9/2/2017 at 01:56 AM

No doubt man, the whole polarization game is pretty stale.


2112 - 9/2/2017 at 02:28 AM

quote:
I liked watching Pelosi when she condemned Antifa for the senseless violence in Berkley.


I find it refreshing when a politician criticizes people on their side of the aisle when they do something wrong. Would be nice if Trump would criticise white supremacist in the same way.


KCJimmy - 9/4/2017 at 10:27 PM

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quote:
quote:
Figures of their own imagination. They are delinquents that use politics as an excuse to deal with their misery. Because THEY say they represent liberalism, it has to be true? Who are the alt-right neo-nazis representing....conservatism? I don't think so.
Bhawk... I fixed this for you. You left off the most important part of the "QUOTE". You know the part where he got it right? Then you added a false statement to make it even more misleading. I think you have a bright future ahead of you at CNN!


What makes it false? My opinion is as valid as yours!
Indeed your opinion is fine. I was referring to the way you quoted BB but left off the part where he said "I don't think so" and followed it instead with your opinion which was completely opposite of BBs opinion. Looked a lot like what I see on CNN. So no your statement is not false, just intended to mislead from the original intent of the post you quoted. Even sounds like CNN!

What I really found interesting, and sad, was that BB stated his opinion. BV agreed. They don't usually do that but they did here because they were right. AND they were decent enough to acknowledge that they agreed. So two people form opposite sides of something find common ground and you need to swoop in and stamp it out. NOW THAT sounds like CNN.

If Donald Trump or any republican were to really make this country great in EVERY way it wouldn't matter to people like you. You would still find (or make up) something to criticize. And it is true the other way around, and just as sad, wouldn't matter how great Hillary or Obama were, many wouldn't acknowledge that either.


BoytonBrother - 9/5/2017 at 02:09 PM

KC, I don't see how Bhawk tried to mislead. If his opinion is valid, then why is my line "I don't think so" required to be there?

quote:
So two people form opposite sides of something find common ground and you need to swoop in and stamp it out. NOW THAT sounds like CNN.


He didn't stamp out our common ground. It's still there.

quote:
If Donald Trump or any republican were to really make this country great in EVERY way it wouldn't matter to people like you. You would still find (or make up) something to criticize. And it is true the other way around, and just as sad, wouldn't matter how great Hillary or Obama were, many wouldn't acknowledge that either.


Definitely true. It's was sad to see the way George W and Obama were treated. Both demonstrated that they are good hearted men with honor and dignity - hated, insulted, and judged unfairly. Trump hasn't demonstrated the slightest attempt to make this country great. Instead he goes on a daily childish tantrum picking fights with anyone in his path in order to feel special. He is nothing but a loser. He is a real life King Joffrey. If he ever decides to show any leadership capabilities, he'll have my support. Until then, I'd have to share Bhawk's frustration that conservatives don't do enough to stamp out the wretched garbage that exists in this country. "There's were good people on both sides." Pardoning the sheriff. Erasing Daca - this is code for supporting white supremacy. Nothing more, nothing less.


Bhawk - 9/5/2017 at 04:18 PM

quote:
Indeed your opinion is fine. I was referring to the way you quoted BB but left off the part where he said "I don't think so" and followed it instead with your opinion which was completely opposite of BBs opinion. Looked a lot like what I see on CNN. So no your statement is not false, just intended to mislead from the original intent of the post you quoted. Even sounds like CNN!


I have no clue where you are coming from with the CNN thing. I haven't watched CNN in literally several years. If it so you can make some grandiose point to yourself about how well you know liberals and it justifies how much you don't like them, knock yourself out.

I wasn't attempting to mislead anything. People here are smart enough to comprehend what's written.

quote:
What I really found interesting, and sad, was that BB stated his opinion. BV agreed. They don't usually do that but they did here because they were right. AND they were decent enough to acknowledge that they agreed. So two people form opposite sides of something find common ground and you need to swoop in and stamp it out. NOW THAT sounds like CNN.


How'd I stamp it out? Two people have a perspective, I have mine. For a snowflake, I sure have a lot of power.

quote:
If Donald Trump or any republican were to really make this country great in EVERY way it wouldn't matter to people like you.


People like me? What kind of person are you?

As to making the country great, I already think it's pretty great, but I have my own opinions, biases and beliefs. What Donald Trump or any Republican might think makes the country great and what I think makes the country great are most likely very different things.


BIGV - 9/5/2017 at 05:21 PM

quote:
Pardoning the sheriff. Erasing Daca - this is code for supporting white supremacy. Nothing more, nothing less.


Yada, yada....Nothing more than opinion, stated as fact.


BoytonBrother - 9/5/2017 at 05:29 PM

obviously.


Jerry - 9/7/2017 at 08:54 PM


quote:
Pardoning the sheriff. Erasing Daca - this is code for supporting white supremacy. Nothing more, nothing less.


Boytons' opinion.

Let me ask a question. If Obama had said he couldn't change immigration by executive order ("that's just not how it works") several times, then why did he do so? Obama said that's why there are several different branches of government, congress legislates laws, and the executive branch carries them out. (not a direct quote, but close). So Obama himself said that this executive order wasn't law, but policy.
Also, brought out in the title of the executive action is the word Deferred, as in Delayed. DACA status may be renewed, but it isn't permanent.
One of the problems I've had with DACA is that Obama tried to expand it to include more people and under different situations. Government bureaucracy, once established, tries to maintain itself even when it outlives it's purpose.


BoytonBrother - 9/8/2017 at 02:20 PM

Jerry, BIGV left out the "there were good people on both sides" quote, which is necessary to include in order to make my point. I don't think his Daca decision alone makes him support white supremacy. I don't think any one decision alone would lead me to believe he supports white supremacy. But collectively together, along with his hostile tone when discussing it, speaks volumes. I don't necessarily believe he is a white supremist himself, but there's no doubt in my mind he is openly catering to them. And I'm not referring to neo-nazis. I'm referring to the tens of millions of white Americans who believe they are better than minorities, but will never admit it out loud.

1. The Mexicans are the criminals, but no mention of the white Italian, Russian, and Irish mafia members who are here and most likely illegal.
2. Middle Eastern travel ban - he knew it wouldn't go through, but it sure pleased those white supremists
3. There are good people on both sides - as clear an admission as you can get
4. Daca - he has many options here, but he chose to eliminate it "for now". Why "for now"? So he can appease his white supremist followers with tough talk against anyone not American. Even if Daca stays, the white supremists still enjoyed hearing the threats, and enjoy seeing the Hispanic community in fear.
5. Border wall - a hostile symbolic message to Hispanics to "stay out. You are not welcome".
6. Increased ICE raids - instilling more fear in the Hispanic community.
7. Sherrif Joe - openly defied a federal order and continued civil rights abuses toward hispanics - pardoned. A message that it's ok to harass hispanics, and it's ok to defy a judge's order.
8. "Black people have nothing to lose".

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. He's a genius businessman and as sly as a fox. And he knew the way to win was to announce these 8 "hints" to rally the base.


Jerry - 9/9/2017 at 01:10 AM

quote:
Jerry, BIGV left out the "there were good people on both sides" quote, which is necessary to include in order to make my point. I don't think his Daca decision alone makes him support white supremacy. I don't think any one decision alone would lead me to believe he supports white supremacy. But collectively together, along with his hostile tone when discussing it, speaks volumes. I don't necessarily believe he is a white supremist himself, but there's no doubt in my mind he is openly catering to them. And I'm not referring to neo-nazis. I'm referring to the tens of millions of white Americans who believe they are better than minorities, but will never admit it out loud.
(Quote)

I'm sorry that you have that opinion, just remember that it's your opinion and not fact.
(Quote)

1. The Mexicans are the criminals, but no mention of the white Italian, Russian, and Irish mafia members who are here and most likely illegal. (Quote)

Illegal is illegal. While there are those from other countries here illegally, the main impact at this time is the border crossings from Mexico along the southwest borders. Criminal enterprises run drugs, guns, and other illegal items.
The "guides" that bring groups of illegal immigrants across the border sometimes do not deliver them to the land of opportunity they thought they were going to. Sometimes they are killed outright before they get to the border, sometimes they get across and are left in the back of a truck, and sometimes they go into a form of slavery where they are afraid to not do what they are told as they could be turned over to the authorities.
The wall and more aggressive border security would help prevent that.

(Quote)2. Middle Eastern travel ban - he knew it wouldn't go through, but it sure pleased those white supremists (Quote)

Could you tell me who these "white supremacists" are?

(Quote)3. There are good people on both sides - as clear an admission as you can get. (Quote)

Please explain. Are you saying that everybody there was not "good people"?

(Quote)4. Daca - he has many options here, but he chose to eliminate it "for now". Why "for now"? So he can appease his white supremist followers with tough talk against anyone not American. Even if Daca stays, the white supremists still enjoyed hearing the threats, and enjoy seeing the Hispanic community in fear.(Quote)

Why would the Hispanic community be in fear? The first letter in DACA is for DEFERRED, not PERMANENT.
Everyone who applied knew it wasn't a permanent solution, just renewable for a certain amount of time.
They were not made citizens or put on a fast track for citizenship. I think that was the big mistake about Obamas' program.
Again, could you elaborate on who these "white supremacists followers" are?

(Quote)5. Border wall - a hostile symbolic message to Hispanics to "stay out. You are not welcome". (Quote)

See response to your point #1

(Quote)6. Increased ICE raids - instilling more fear in the Hispanic community. (Quote)

Again, the raids are to find those who are here illegally. Why would they be afraid if they entered the country legally?

(Quote)7. Sherrif Joe - openly defied a federal order and continued civil rights abuses toward hispanics - pardoned. A message that it's ok to harass hispanics, and it's ok to defy a judge's order. (Quote)

Would you please put up a copy of the judges' order and explain what Sheriff Joe was doing illegally?

(Quote)8. "Black people have nothing to lose". (Quote)

Do you mean the statement made at a campaign rally to black voters about the difference made between voting for him or Clinton? "You live in poverty, you have no jobs, what do you have to lose." Implying that voting for Clinton would maintain the status quo instead of a chance of improvement.

(Quote)I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. He's a genius businessman and as sly as a fox. And he knew the way to win was to announce these 8 "hints" to rally the base.


Again, your opinion.


BoytonBrother - 9/9/2017 at 08:47 AM

quote:
I'm sorry that you have that opinion, just remember that it's your opinion and not fact.


You don't have to be sorry - I'm not concerned about him one bit. And yes, I realize what we all post here is opinion.

quote:
Could you tell me who these "white supremacists" are?


I explained it already in the post - the tens of millions of white Americans who believe they are better than minorities, but will never admit it. IMO.

quote:
Please explain. Are you saying that everybody there was not "good people"?


Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't think Trump was referring to the neo-nazis having good hearts deep down inside, and that they are just troubled youths. He was referring to their current ideology. In that regard, that entire group is nothing but a steaming pile of garbage. Trump had no issue calling a shooter "nothing but a loser". Why wouldn't he do the same with neo-nazis? Because he wanted to tip his hat - not to other neo nazis, but to the tens of millions of white Americans who liked hearing him say it. IMO.

quote:
Why would the Hispanic community be in fear? The first letter in DACA is for DEFERRED, not PERMANENT. Everyone who applied knew it wasn't a permanent solution, just renewable for a certain amount of time. They were not made citizens or put on a fast track for citizenship.


I'm not talking about the nuts and bolts of the program or the people. My point is that he has the option to leave it alone, but he's choosing option B. You believe it's for one reason, I believe it's for another.

quote:
Again, the raids are to find those who are here illegally. Why would they be afraid if they entered the country legally?


Clever. But some Presidents choose to combat our illegal immigration problem with strategies that don't involve an increased amount of ICE house raids. I know you want to move away from his methods and talk about the people's flaws instead, but I'm only talking about Trump's methods versus the methods of previous leaders.

quote:
Would you please put up a copy of the judges' order and explain what Sheriff Joe was doing illegally?


What difference does it make if he was convicted in the court of law?



[Edited on 9/9/2017 by BoytonBrother]


KCJimmy - 9/13/2017 at 02:22 PM

Too many Blue Pills? Try the Red ones


BIGV - 9/13/2017 at 04:33 PM

quote:
Again, the raids are to find those who are here illegally. Why would they be afraid if they entered the country legally?


Clever. But some Presidents choose to combat our illegal immigration problem with strategies that don't involve an increased amount of ICE house raids. I know you want to move away from his methods and talk about the people's flaws instead, but I'm only talking about Trump's methods versus the methods of previous leaders.

quote:
Would you please put up a copy of the judges' order and explain what Sheriff Joe was doing illegally?


What difference does it make if he was convicted in the court of law?


Two points here. First "Some Presidents".....So only the ones whose agenda fits your vision are correct?....Please

Second, you quote "The court of Law".....Does the "Law" not apply to illegal immigrants?...They continue to choose to break the first "law" of the country they are "Hoping" to be a part of for their own benefit. I repeat, for their own benefit...If we uphold the "Law" we are vindictive and mean, just looking to break the backs and families who are just here to make a better life for themselves.

Enter legally or pay the price. That is the Law.


jkeller - 9/13/2017 at 08:54 PM

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quote:
Again, the raids are to find those who are here illegally. Why would they be afraid if they entered the country legally?


Clever. But some Presidents choose to combat our illegal immigration problem with strategies that don't involve an increased amount of ICE house raids. I know you want to move away from his methods and talk about the people's flaws instead, but I'm only talking about Trump's methods versus the methods of previous leaders.

quote:
Would you please put up a copy of the judges' order and explain what Sheriff Joe was doing illegally?


What difference does it make if he was convicted in the court of law?


Two points here. First "Some Presidents".....So only the ones whose agenda fits your vision are correct?....Please

Second, you quote "The court of Law".....Does the "Law" not apply to illegal immigrants?...They continue to choose to break the first "law" of the country they are "Hoping" to be a part of for their own benefit. I repeat, for their own benefit...If we uphold the "Law" we are vindictive and mean, just looking to break the backs and families who are just here to make a better life for themselves.

Enter legally or pay the price. That is the Law.


Arpaio was detaining legal American citizens because they were of Hispanic origin. Some spent days in jail for no crimes other than being Hispanic. He was ordered by the court to stop this obvious civil rights violation of citizens. He refused to do so and continued detaining legal residents and citizens. If I am to read your response correctly, you feel that as long as there are illegals in this country, Arpaio should be allowed to break the law.


KCJimmy - 9/14/2017 at 12:07 AM

No, you most certainly did not read that correctly. But feel free to try again.


OriginalGoober - 9/14/2017 at 12:43 AM

So a hispanic American was detained because he had no papers (id, drivers license) to prove he wasnt a bad hombre from Mexico im a state overrun with illegals. Clearly a witchhunt against sherriff joe. He deserved his pardon for doing the job he was hired to do - uphold the law.


jkeller - 9/14/2017 at 01:42 AM

quote:
So a hispanic American was detained because he had no papers (id, drivers license) to prove he wasnt a bad hombre from Mexico im a state overrun with illegals. Clearly a witchhunt against sherriff joe. He deserved his pardon for doing the job he was hired to do - uphold the law.


No, that isn't what happened at all. Research and read the court order. He violated a court order and was convicted of it. For a constitutionalist, you do not seem to believe in the Constitution very much. But then, neither does Trump.


BrerRabbit - 9/14/2017 at 03:42 AM

Ask yourself this : If you personally knew a Mexican was here illegally, would you report him or her to La Migra?

A simple yes or no will suffice. Not the usual forktongue wishwash please thx.



[Edited on 9/14/2017 by BrerRabbit]


BIGV - 9/14/2017 at 07:25 PM

quote:
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So a hispanic American was detained because he had no papers (id, drivers license) to prove he wasnt a bad hombre from Mexico im a state overrun with illegals. Clearly a witchhunt against sherriff joe. He deserved his pardon for doing the job he was hired to do - uphold the law.


No, that isn't what happened at all. Research and read the court order. He violated a court order and was convicted of it. For a constitutionalist, you do not seem to believe in the Constitution very much. But then, neither does Trump.


"Section 1 of the 14th Amendment guarantees that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Where does the Constitution state anything about those not born here and the jurisdictional laws they need to follow? There is what the document states, and how the Courts choose to interpret and enforce

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If I am to read your response correctly, you feel that as long as there are illegals in this country, Arpaio should be allowed to break the law.


Interesting that you would use the term "Illegals"...referring to one as entering "Illegally" thus "Breaking the law"

Do we agree that both are in violation of the Law?


jkeller - 9/14/2017 at 08:21 PM

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So a hispanic American was detained because he had no papers (id, drivers license) to prove he wasnt a bad hombre from Mexico im a state overrun with illegals. Clearly a witchhunt against sherriff joe. He deserved his pardon for doing the job he was hired to do - uphold the law.


No, that isn't what happened at all. Research and read the court order. He violated a court order and was convicted of it. For a constitutionalist, you do not seem to believe in the Constitution very much. But then, neither does Trump.


"Section 1 of the 14th Amendment guarantees that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Where does the Constitution state anything about those not born here and the jurisdictional laws they need to follow? There is what the document states, and how the Courts choose to interpret and enforce

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If I am to read your response correctly, you feel that as long as there are illegals in this country, Arpaio should be allowed to break the law.


Interesting that you would use the term "Illegals"...referring to one as entering "Illegally" thus "Breaking the law"

Do we agree that both are in violation of the Law?


You are avoiding the issue here. Arpaio was ordered by the court to stop profiling and detaining people based on their race. He was found guilty of detaining American citizens because of their Hispanic heritage. Some people spent time in jail for no reason other than their skin color.

If you feel it is necessary to break the law in order to enforce the laws, then as a society we are in big trouble.


BoytonBrother - 9/15/2017 at 08:29 PM

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Two points here. First "Some Presidents".....So only the ones whose agenda fits your vision are correct?....Please


Who said anything about being "correct"? That's your word, not mine. Am I not allowed to criticize his method?

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Second, you quote "The court of Law".....Does the "Law" not apply to illegal immigrants?...They continue to choose to break the first "law" of the country they are "Hoping" to be a part of for their own benefit. I repeat, for their own benefit...If we uphold the "Law" we are vindictive and mean, just looking to break the backs and families who are just here to make a better life for themselves.

Enter legally or pay the price. That is the Law.
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Nice diversion attempt, but Sheriff Joe was not upholding the the law, per a federal judge. What is so hard to understand about that? Do you think it's ok to ignore a judge's order just because you interpret something differently?

I'm fine with his pardon. But he is obligated to follow the order - period. By ignoring it, he became just as bad as the illegals he was trying to deport - both are illegals who deserve to "pay the price".


BIGV - 9/15/2017 at 10:28 PM

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By ignoring it, he became just as bad as the illegals he was trying to deport - both are illegals who deserve to "pay the price".


Agreed. "Just as bad"......both are illegals who deserve to "pay the price".

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You are avoiding the issue here


How so? Not once have I stated that I believe Joe is above the Law. I fully understand what he has done and repeat my question:

"Do we agree that both are in violation of the Law?"


BoytonBrother - 9/16/2017 at 04:55 PM

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Agreed. "Just as bad"......both are illegals who deserve to "pay the price".


Your semantics don't represent my views. They are just as bad as one another, meaning they both broke a law. And your idea of the right price is surely much different than mine. The only point you've made here is that you believe the illegal immigrants are morally worse than the disgusting behavior of Trump and Sherrif Joe - on that we certainly do not agree.


Jerry - 9/17/2017 at 04:57 PM

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Agreed. "Just as bad"......both are illegals who deserve to "pay the price".


Your semantics don't represent my views. They are just as bad as one another, meaning they both broke a law. And your idea of the right price is surely much different than mine. The only point you've made here is that you believe the illegal immigrants are morally worse than the disgusting behavior of Trump and Sherrif Joe - on that we certainly do not agree.


My question is this: Do you believe that people who break the law should not get pardons?


BIGV - 9/17/2017 at 06:25 PM

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Agreed. "Just as bad"......both are illegals who deserve to "pay the price".


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Your semantics don't represent my views.


I have never entertained that thought.


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They are just as bad as one another, meaning they both broke a law.


There is no hidden "meaning" here. I wanted to establish that both parties chose to break the Law. Therein lies the offense. "I don't care about the rule of Law".

You pay the price as dictated by the statute. Come here Illegally, face deportation.

Did President Obama instruct Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials not to enforce immigration laws in cases where an illegal alien is the primary provider for any minor child—regardless of the child’s immigration status—or the parent or guardian of a child who is a U.S. citizen or legal permanent resident?

I believe he did. Total disregard for the Law, you might even refer to it as "criminal contempt".....


BrerRabbit - 9/18/2017 at 01:55 AM

You are 100% correct, it is the law, as it stands today.

If you discovered, say through a casual friendly chat, that the Mexican landscaping your neighbor's yard every week was here illegally would you stand behind your dedication to the law by turning him in? Just wondering.


BoytonBrother - 9/18/2017 at 02:47 AM

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My question is this: Do you believe that people who break the law should not get pardons?


It would depend.


BIGV - 9/18/2017 at 05:13 PM

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You are 100% correct, it is the law, as it stands today.

If you discovered, say through a casual friendly chat, that the Mexican landscaping your neighbor's yard every week was here illegally would you stand behind your dedication to the law by turning him in? Just wondering.


I will answer this as honestly as possible and will start with a question for you...

"Where do you live"?

I am now in Northern Arizona, in a beautiful little spot called Sedona, prior to moving here last year, I lived in San Diego for the last three decades.

"Would you stand behind your dedication to the law by turning him in"?

My friend.... Illegals are EVERYWHERE in the Southwest...Do I personally know people who are here Illegally?... Most certainly. Would I turn them in?

Where would I begin?


BoytonBrother - 9/18/2017 at 07:52 PM

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I believe he did. Total disregard for the Law, you might even refer to it as "criminal contempt".....


"Total disregard for the Law" and "criminal contempt"? LOL. Oh yeah, renegade Obama. Why did Republicans seemingly ignore it if it was so illegal?


BrerRabbit - 9/18/2017 at 08:34 PM

Oregon now. Lived in Arizona for over 30 years, worked on the Coconino Forest for 20 years, firefighter on the Mogollon Rim, I know that Secret Mountain Wlderness backcountry of Sedona like the back of my hand, from Sycamore Canyon to West Fork Oak Creek, it is the topography of my mind by now, not accessible by Pink Jeep.

Also lived on the Navajo reservation, worked all over southern Arizona as well, know the state better than most. Voted McCain in, and tried to vote Arpaio out, voted three times for legalizing marijuana in Arizona.

The real immigration problem in Arizona isn't Mexicans, it is the juggernaut droves of people swarming in from all over the US, overpopulating the state, overdeveloping, pushing water resources past the limit, artificially inflating property values, building golf courses in the desert, and whatever other follies they can superimpose on the landscape. That's what drove me out.

I have no difficulty answering the question. NO.

No I would not report anyone who was here illegally. Lived next door to a safe house in Flagstaff where recent arrivals stayed and their secret was safe with me. Even brought them food sometimes, all twenty of them crammed into the front room of a doublewide. Aiding and abetting, right?

I have broken some laws in my time. And paid the price.

[Edited on 9/19/2017 by BrerRabbit]


Jerry - 9/21/2017 at 11:22 AM

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My question is this: Do you believe that people who break the law should not get pardons?


It would depend.


On what would it depend?
If a person was convicted of burglary, would you allow a pardon for that person?
If a person was convicted of murder, pardon, yes/no?
How about drug smuggling?
What about child molestation/rape?

Do you think those who commit these crimes should be jailed and tried?


BoytonBrother - 9/21/2017 at 01:53 PM


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On what would it depend?


As someone who was tried and convicted, I can tell you that every detail surrounding the case and the defendant matters a great deal. Factors such as severity of crime, intent, level of harm caused if any, criminal history of defendant, etc.

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If a person was convicted of burglary, would you allow a pardon for that person?
If a person was convicted of murder, pardon, yes/no?
How about drug smuggling?
What about child molestation/rape?


Again, it would depend on every little detail. It would be irresponsible to make a decision like that blindly.

Was the burglar an elderly person with no criminal history who broke into a convenient store to get food?
Did the child victim lie about her age with a fake ID? Was the defendant 19 or 68?
Could the murder have been a case of self defense that didn't go his way in court because of a corrupt detective?
Was the smuggler forced to do it by a cartel that already killed his parent?

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Do you think those who commit these crimes should be jailed and tried?


Jailed and tried? Of course. After that comes the possible review for a pardon.


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